I've seen this spinoff and honestly it wasn't all that bad. It was a little hard seeing Gloria as a single mom and all, but the cast was ok and show did have some LOL moments. Was this a case of a spinoff that was too late in development as the whole 'All in the Family' phenomenom was wearing thin...Agree?

I watched it and enjoyed it and it ranked #18 for the season and still CBS canceled it.....

I watched it and enjoyed it and it ranked #18 for the season and still CBS canceled it.....
That was the surprise cancellation of the season. It was a good show. I enjoyed it.

I think Gloria would have had a hard road to hoe no matter when it premiered, since any of those characters on their own was much weaker than the whole ensemble, and of the four, Gloria had the least depth (through no fault of Sally Struthers who did wonders in the role).

But yeah, if they were going to do it it would have made a lot more sense to have done it right after Mike and Gloria moved out west.

Maybe CBS felt #18 was too low for a show with All in the Family connections-lol

I think Networks expect to see results like what happened with Happy Days and Laverne and Shirley. Both shows were in the top 5 for mutiplte seasons and that's probably why 18 was too low

Maybe CBS felt #18 was too low for a show with All in the Family connections-lol

I think Networks expect to see results like what happened with Happy Days and Laverne and Shirley. Both shows were in the top 5 for mutiplte seasons and that's probably why 18 was too low


What shows were surrounding Gloria?

What shows were surrounding Gloria?


The same shows surrounding ABP, Matt Houston and Chips. But it actually did better than ABP since ABP was #23. So now this cancellation is really a mystery-lol

The same shows surrounding ABP, Matt Houston and Chips. But it actually did better than ABP since ABP was #23. So now this cancellation is really a mystery-lol


I must delve deeper to find an answer to why this was canceled! :lol:

Maybe since CBS was cancelling ABP, they figured they'd end everything connected to the Bunkers all at once. In the fall of 1983 CBS brought back Alice on Sunday nights and the only new sitcom was Goodnight Beantown which had premiered as a midseason replacement the year before. It was cancelled by December.

Maybe since CBS was cancelling ABP, they figured they'd end everything connected to the Bunkers all at once. In the fall of 1983 CBS brought back Alice on Sunday nights and the only new sitcom was Goodnight Beantown which had premiered as a midseason replacement the year before. It was cancelled by December.


I guess that makes sense in a way...However, ratings=money for the netwrks and 'Gloria' seemed to live up to its end.

This is actually one of my favorite short-lived series. I have inquired to Shout about including episodes on the forthcoming "All in the Family" season sets. But it doesn't look they are able to include them. Too bad though, it would give the sets a bit of "bonus feature" substance. :)

one thing i didnt understand was that if sally struthers was willing to reprise the role why didnt they just keep her on archie bunkers place?dont get me wrong ive seen a few episodes of gloria before and they were pretty good but i think it would have been better if they had her as a regular on archie bunkers place who knows it may have continued another season or more if they did that.

The show was #18 when CBS canceled it (source: IMDB.com/messageboard/GLORIA) but since Sally Struther's character simply couldn't carry an entire show, it was basically doomed from the start.

There was some speculation that while Gloria and ABP were canceled, Alice and Dukes of Hazzard (which were rated lower) were renewed because they were Warner Brothers properties. Someone high up in CBS was also a chariman of Warner apparently.

ABP had pretty much run its course and it was amazing that they got 4 seasons out of it. By the 4th season all of Archie's antagonists were gone (Murray and Veronica), Edith was dead, and the stories shifted more to the kids probably to get more youthful viewers which has been a complaint about CBS programming for years (being geared to an older audience). While I watched until the end, it just kind of fizzled. It was a same too because overall, after 13 seasons between the two shows, it deserved a better exit. The last episode of the series (I'm Torn Here) is pretty average and underwhelming.

I have never watched the show so I can't really form an opinion on whether or not it came too late. So it's true that Mike and Gloria divorced and Mike joined a comune and dumped all his responsibilities as a father and became the loser I always said he was?

Is Gloria available to watch online anywhere?

Is Gloria available to watch online anywhere?

I wanna see it too! How did you all see it? Do they ever air it on TV?

I wanna see it too! How did you all see it? Do they ever air it on TV?


TV Land aired a episode of Gloria in August of 2002 as part of Norman Lear's 80th birthday celebration. That was the only episode I watched and recorded

I have episodes from a trade and I think I have that episode that TV LAND aired. IMO, the show wasn't all that. I was glad to see it but it was "eh" to me. Carroll O' Connor had cut all ties with Sally Struther and the show at this point from what I heard. Can anyone vouch for this?

From what I understand, the original pilot was co-written by some writers involved in Archie Bunker's Place. That episode was rejected and dumped into the syndication package of Archie Bunker's Place. The series shifted production and they hired new writers. While it was still picked up Carrol O'Connor and crew were not consulted for the series and as a result, he refused to be involved with it at all.

As a sidenote, I hate those goofy explanations of when characters leave shows. Mike joining a commune? It just seemed silly when they could've used their marital problems from the season 9 All in the Family episode "California Here We Are" as a springboard for the split. That was the one time Archie finally sided with Mike in an argument and it was against his little girl. They could've done more with that but just used one of those dopy sitcom excuses 'cause they think it sounds funnier or something.

http://news.google.com/newspapers?nid=1291&dat=19830513&id=6dozAAAAIBAJ&sjid=1IwDAAAAIBAJ&pg=6958,4044738

CBS was very concerned about the dropoff in ratings during the last five or six weeks of "Gloria"'s freshman season. Therefore, the decision to cancel the series.

Kind of OT...but this article also mentions the cancellation of the brilliant "Square Pegs", which I fondly remember watching as a high school junior.

http://news.google.com/newspapers?nid=1291&dat=19830513&id=6dozAAAAIBAJ&sjid=1IwDAAAAIBAJ&pg=6958,4044738

CBS was very concerned about the dropoff in ratings during the last five or six weeks of "Gloria"'s freshman season. Therefore, the decision to cancel the series.

Kind of OT...but this article also mentions the cancellation of the brilliant "Square Pegs", which I fondly remember watching as a high school junior.


It was revealed that CBS felt it wasn't on the same level as ABP. Of course it wasn't since it was a show about a lonely single mom

I didn't find the show very funny at all.

I didn't find the show very funny at all.


Probably because she was the weakest character that came from AITF and was in a new sad depressing situation, single mom with no man because he ran off with another woman

Probably because she was the weakest character that came from AITF and was in a new sad depressing situation, single mom with no man because he ran off with another woman
I watched an episode on YouTube today and what the show needed was controversy. Way too bland and family-friendly. The show needed a bad guy of some kind.

I watched an episode on YouTube today and what the show needed was controversy. Way too bland and family-friendly. The show needed a bad guy of some kind.


The theme song made me cry LOL

CBS was very concerned about the dropoff in ratings during the last five or six weeks of "Gloria"'s freshman season. Therefore, the decision to cancel the series.

To this day, I still find the cancellations of Archie Bunker's Place and Gloria baffling because both shows, which occupied the Sundays-at-8-PM hour, were still in the Nielsen Top 30; ABP had an average rating of 18.3 and ranked at #22, while Gloria had an average rating of 18.7 and ranked at #18, meaning Gloria out-rated ABP. By comparison, Newhart (which aired in the timeslot following the final season of M*A*S*H) ranked at #20 with an average rating of 18.6, and was renewed for the 1983-84 season.

What if Gloria had premiered in the fall of 1978 instead? How about a spin-off of All in the Family focusing on Mike and Gloria? Or would a Mike and Gloria spin-off be a bad idea?

To this day, I still find the cancellations of Archie Bunker's Place and Gloria baffling because both shows, which occupied the Sundays-at-8-PM hour, were still in the Nielsen Top 30; ABP had an average rating of 18.3 and ranked at #22, while Gloria had an average rating of 18.7 and ranked at #18, meaning Gloria out-rated ABP. By comparison, Newhart (which aired in the timeslot following the final season of M*A*S*H) ranked at #20 with an average rating of 18.6, and was renewed for the 1983-84 season.

What if Gloria had premiered in the fall of 1978 instead? How about a spin-off of All in the Family focusing on Mike and Gloria? Or would a Mike and Gloria spin-off be a bad idea?
Those could have worked. It would have been perfect timing.

To this day, I still find the cancellations of Archie Bunker's Place and Gloria baffling because both shows, which occupied the Sundays-at-8-PM hour, were still in the Nielsen Top 30; ABP had an average rating of 18.3 and ranked at #22, while Gloria had an average rating of 18.7 and ranked at #18, meaning Gloria out-rated ABP. By comparison, Newhart (which aired in the timeslot following the final season of M*A*S*H) ranked at #20 with an average rating of 18.6, and was renewed for the 1983-84 season.

What if Gloria had premiered in the fall of 1978 instead? How about a spin-off of All in the Family focusing on Mike and Gloria? Or would a Mike and Gloria spin-off be a bad idea?


I did find myself missing Mike when I watched Gloria

one thing i didnt understand was that if sally struthers was willing to reprise the role why didnt they just keep her on archie bunkers place?dont get me wrong ive seen a few episodes of gloria before and they were pretty good but i think it would have been better if they had her as a regular on archie bunkers place who knows it may have continued another season or more if they did that.

According to the YouTube (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_B4wYd7YZKI) comments, the Gloria spin-off came about mainly because both Rob Reiner and Sally Struthers were asked to return to Archie Bunker's Place and then they would've gotten their own spinoff show in 1982. Rob wasn't interested but Sally was.

Also, Sally Struthers had a falling out with Carroll O'Connor. Apparently, Sally did not want any references made to All in the Family or to any of the characters from that show, claiming that she could do this on her own. Carroll took offense to that. He was also not happy that they replaced two of the producers from his own show with a guy they hired from Mary Tyler Moore's then-cancelled WKRP in Cincinnati named Steve Marshall, who later produced Growing Pains.

According to the YouTube (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_B4wYd7YZKI) comments, the Gloria spin-off came about mainly because both Rob Reiner and Sally Struthers were asked to return to Archie Bunker's Place and then they would've gotten their own spinoff show in 1982. Rob wasn't interested but Sally was.

Also, Sally Struthers had a falling out with Carroll O'Connor. Apparently, Sally did not want any references made to All in the Family or to any of the characters from that show, claiming that she could do this on her own. Carroll took offense to that. He was also not happy that they replaced two of the producers from his own show with a guy they hired from Mary Tyler Moore's then-cancelled WKRP in Cincinnati named Steve Marshall, who later produced Growing Pains.



well it definitely didnt feel like a spinoff, just show about a single mom working at a vet in the country:lol:

well it definitely didnt feel like a spinoff, just show about a single mom working at a vet in the country:lol:

The premise kind of reminds me of Alice if it took place in the All in the Family (https://screenrant.com/all-in-the-family-spin-offs/) universe, and took place at a ramshackled veterinarian place in the country instead of a ramshackled diner in Phoenix, Arizona. One review (https://www.imdb.com/review/rw6270724/?ref_=tt_urv) that I read said that the show probably would've been better received (https://web.archive.org/web/20061031131952/http://www.jumptheshark.com/g/gloria.htm) had it not been connected to AITF and been its own, independent thing.

I think this show could have done better if it wasn’t connected to All in the Family. They never should have made the storyline of Mike and Gloria splitting. They should have just done this show with the same cast, including Sally Struthers, but given her and her son completely different names so it wouldn’t be related to the former at all. It might have done better had that happened.

I think this show could have done better if it wasn’t connected to All in the Family. They never should have made the storyline of Mike and Gloria splitting. They should have just done this show with the same cast, including Sally Struthers, but given her and her son completely different names so it wouldn’t be related to the former at all. It might have done better had that happened.

The show didnt have much competition since ABC's Matt Houston and NBC's Chips could not gain a lot of viewers in that 8:30 Sunday Night timeslot

IMDB (Series Info) https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0083424/

Wikipedia (Series Info) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gloria_(American_TV_series)


If Mike and Gloria remained married it would have been a better series, even though it ranked #18 overall in its single season, in my mind. But the powers that be were seemingly all in on the divorced single mother promotion agenda for this tv series.


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IMDB (Series Info) https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0083424/

Wikipedia (Series Info) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gloria_(American_TV_series)


If Mike and Gloria remained married it would have been a better series, even though it ranked #18 overall in its single season, in my mind. But the powers that be were seemingly all in on the divorced single mother promotion agenda for this tv series.


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The show being ranked 18 had nothing to do with her

I've seen this spinoff and honestly it wasn't all that bad. It was a little hard seeing Gloria as a single mom and all, but the cast was ok and show did have some LOL moments. Was this a case of a spinoff that was too late in development as the whole 'All in the Family' phenomenom was wearing thin...Agree?
It wasn't terrible but I don't know how anyone could say it came late. Its actually a spin off of Archie Bunker's place. The first show was shown as an Archie Bunkers Place episode. Gloria made guest appearances with an older Joey and was Archie Bunker's Place was winding down, they tried for another spin off.

It wasn't terrible but I don't know how anyone could say it came late. Its actually a spin off of Archie Bunker's place. The first show was shown as an Archie Bunkers Place episode. Gloria made guest appearances with an older Joey and was Archie Bunker's Place was winding down, they tried for another spin off.

It should have started after they went to California and called the Stivics in the 78-79 season

It should have started after they went to California and called the Stivics in the 78-79 season
Both Sally and Reiner wanted out to pursue other projects. They left All In The Family and would have never done another sitcom. 4 years later and no major projects offered is what made Sally agree to come back. So the Stivics would have never worked without the main actors.

I've said this before, with respect to the ratings of the series the devil is in the details. CBS had the biggest show on TV the number one ranked 60 Minutes at the very height of its glory leading off the evening. The ratings drop at 8 and 8:30 was precipitous with ABP and Gloria. Also when we are looking at the season ranking we don't know how the individual episodes were playing. Was the series declining as the year went on. The link between the two series was strong and that may have been reflected in the numbers. If ABP goes what's to suggest that Gloria wouldn't suffer a big drop in audience if it had been renewed.

I've said this before, with respect to the ratings of the series the devil is in the details. CBS had the biggest show on TV the number one ranked 60 Minutes at the very height of its glory leading off the evening. The ratings drop at 8 and 8:30 was precipitous with ABP and Gloria. Also when we are looking at the season ranking we don't know how the individual episodes were playing. Was the series declining as the year went on. The link between the two series was strong and that may have been reflected in the numbers. If ABP goes what's to suggest that Gloria wouldn't suffer a big drop in audience if it had been renewed.

Wonder is Gloria the highest rated show to be cancelled..."19th ranked"

Wonder is Gloria the highest rated show to be cancelled..."19th ranked"
Angie was #5 in its debut season. Its second season the ratings did go down but tied with Laverne and Shirley yet it was cancelled and Laverne and Shirley went on for 3 more years (unfortunately) :lol:

Angie was #5 in its debut season. Its second season the ratings did go down but tied with Laverne and Shirley yet it was cancelled and Laverne and Shirley went on for 3 more years (unfortunately) :lol:

found out the highest rated show to be cancelled was Bridget Loves Bernie in 1973 that finished #5

There was some speculation that while Gloria and ABP were canceled, Alice and Dukes of Hazzard (which were rated lower) were renewed because they were Warner Brothers properties. Someone high up in CBS was also a chariman of Warner apparently.

ABP had pretty much run its course and it was amazing that they got 4 seasons out of it. By the 4th season all of Archie's antagonists were gone (Murray and Veronica), Edith was dead, and the stories shifted more to the kids probably to get more youthful viewers which has been a complaint about CBS programming for years (being geared to an older audience). While I watched until the end, it just kind of fizzled. It was a same too because overall, after 13 seasons between the two shows, it deserved a better exit. The last episode of the series (I'm Torn Here) is pretty average and underwhelming.

I'm Torn Here was never intended to wrap up the series. It was a fine episode for what it should have been, the last episode of the season.

I didnt really ever watch it........

The show was #18 when CBS canceled it (source: IMDB.com/messageboard/GLORIA) but since Sally Struther's character simply couldn't carry an entire show, it was basically doomed from the start.

From IMDB (https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0083424/reviews?ref_=tttr_ql_op_3):

Why this show was cancelled (https://www.datalounge.com/thread/31066022-gloria-1982-1983-why-did-this-%E2%80%9Call-in-the-family%E2%80%9D-spin-off-only-last-one-season-)

rmkauser 17 April 2018

Someone here asked if anyone knows why Gloria (https://web.archive.org/web/20061031125158/http://www.jumptheshark.com/g/gloria.htm) was canceled. I worked on the show as Burgess Meredith's assistant. The show was canceled because Sally Struthers blew off an interview with TV Guide. Also, Carroll O'Connor was a producer and lost control of his vision for the show which included plans for Archie and Gloria to appear on each other's show on occasion. Though the ratings were healthy, the writing was sub-par. O'Connor and Meredith were best friends and they both were fed up with the show and it's many deficiencies. So, it was canceled for political reasons and artistic shortcomings.

I totally agree the writing was subpar. The spinoff pilot from Archie Bunker's Place had Gloria appear at her dad's house. But for some reason when the show started, they had another pilot and O'Connor did not like the direction of the show and quit the show. Its not a horrible show and would have probably tanked in its second season.
I always found the cast was so plastic, predictable, and not authentic which is always the sign of a failing sitcom. Not much depth to the characters. The first few seasons of Archie Bunker's Place had good writing with cutting edge topics. The episode of the gay waiter was ground breaking for its time.

When did Sally Struthers gain 400 pounds and shilling to feed starving Africans? How fat she was, her intake for one meal would have fed an African village for a month. Ridiculous.

This should have ended with Mike coming back and Archie tied into the story somehow as well. Both this and ABP ended in 1983 and this could have ended in a nice way with Mike and Gloria getting back together somehow and Archie being a part of it in some way.

This should have ended with Mike coming back and Archie tied into the story somehow as well.Yes indeed so!!!

When did Sally Struthers gain 400 pounds and shilling to feed starving Africans? How fat she was, her intake for one meal would have fed an African village for a month. Ridiculous.

Wow, how disgustingly misogynistic of you!! I really don't like you. :mad::angryfirepuke::smash:

Ed.

I don't like you too. That wasn't nice.

It was 18th in the ratings and there’s rumors that SS was blackballed because she didn’t want any AITF references made and that she blew off a very important TV Guide interview. There is a clip on YouTube featuring her and Rita Moreno starting in ThenOdd Couple on Broadway in which she even said that she couldn’t get any work.

That show is unwatchable to me. I loved Gloria on AITF but her show was not it.

That show is unwatchable to me. I loved Gloria on AITF but her show was not it.

The theme song made me cry and the show didnt even focus on her so the show needed a new title lol

I don't even remember the theme song but it made you cry? LOL

I don't even remember the theme song but it made you cry? LOL

Its below. Its a sad theme song and its her basically single and trying to raise Joey on her and starting a new life without a man lol


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cuOI1hE-mwU

Thanks for posting it. That is a horrible theme song. I laughed at how bad it was. She is pretty is the only good thing I can say. :lol:

Thanks for posting it. That is a horrible theme song. I laughed at how bad it was. She is pretty is the only good thing I can say. :lol:

It was something about the way she was looking after she was dropped off and standing there with Joey having to start over after being married and living in California

You are sweet for that to make you cry. :)

one thing i didnt understand was that if sally struthers was willing to reprise the role why didnt they just keep her on archie bunkers place?dont get me wrong ive seen a few episodes of gloria before and they were pretty good but i think it would have been better if they had her as a regular on archie bunkers place who knows it may have continued another season or more if they did that.

Sally Struther was broke. There was a lot more long term financial security being the star of Gloria if the series had taken off than there would have been as a co-star on Archie.

Sally Struther was broke. There was a lot more long term financial security being the star of Gloria if the series had taken off than there would have been as a co-star on Archie.
She wanted to do movies and thought she was going to be in demand. She did not get many offers which made her come back.
IMHO if the spinoff had happened in 1978 it would have been a great success when All In The Family was still a dominating show. When Gloria debuted even Archie Bunker's place was running out of steam and about to be cancelled.

You know how sometimes you read something and it always stays with you, but you can't remember when you read it.

Echo what Best TV ever said. Sally Struthers thought because of AITF she would be in huge demand but wasn't.