http://www.dailymotion.com/video/xaepc6_su-ya-kim_news?start=9#from=embed


just watched this on VHS

anyone know of any update?? Joe Jones seems innocent.

Yeah, Joe Jones is completely innocent. I don't know what they said on the version you watched, but on the Spike version, Farina said he passed the polygraph test with flying colors. He truly did just witness that guy at the dumpster at night.

My observation: the person of interest/main suspect seen at the dumpster in the track-and-field outfit with the long-ish blonde hair and glasses (at least that's how the guy looked in the re-enactment) looks like the composite drawing of the man who was last seen with Megan Curl in her apartment the night she was found murdered in there after her place was set on fire.

It probably wouldn't be the same person of interest in the Sue Young Kim murder, since that was in New York City. But in the Megan Curl case, they did note that the night she was murdered, the people working at the bar she was at with him said that was the only night/time they have ever seen that guy there.

I think he is innocent to, although he did seem a bit odd like he wasn't all there. But in an amusing kind of way rather than a dangerous kind of way, probably a colorful character to hang around. :lol:

Yeah, Joe Jones is completely innocent. I don't know what they said on the version you watched, but on the Spike version, Farina said he passed the polygraph test with flying colors. He truly did just witness that guy at the dumpster at night.

My observation: the person of interest/main suspect seen at the dumpster in the track-and-field outfit with the long-ish blonde hair and glasses (at least that's how the guy looked in the re-enactment) looks like the composite drawing of the man who was last seen with Megan Curl in her apartment the night she was found murdered in there after her place was set on fire.

It probably wouldn't be the same person of interest in the Sue Young Kim murder, since that was in New York City. But in the Megan Curl case, they did note that the night she was murdered, the people working at the bar she was at with him said that was the only night/time they have ever seen that guy there.

To me, it was ludicrous he was even considered a suspect. I think the reasons it turned out the suspected car he saw was eventually cleared was because he mistakened what the license plate was, or maybe the plate was recycled or stolen. Or he mistakened certain characters for another, like an "8" for a "B" or a "V" for a "U" or something like that.

Personally, I find it ludicrous that we still trust polygraph tests. That tells us absolutely nothing about the guilt or innocence of a suspect, and it's just proposed to see if the person will cooperate or not.

I'm not saying Joe Jones is a suspect, but something is fishy... I find it an incredible coincidence that Joe Jones might give a "wrong plate", yet find it on the exact same model of car that he reported but it's plain obvious it couldn't have been used for the murder because its motor engine was dead cold. Then, how did he see the car and its plate if it couldn't be there?

A good thread on this case:

http://www.sitcomsonline.com/boards/showthread.php?t=242866&highlight=kim


Personally, I find it ludicrous that we still trust polygraph tests. That tells us absolutely nothing about the guilt or innocence of a suspect, and it's just proposed to see if the person will cooperate or not.


Agreed; it's understandable to some degree when they're used to determine an individual's willingness to cooperate with an investigation, but it's annoying when a viable suspect is all but ruled out because he passed one.

In this case, I think too much was made of the discrepancies in the license number. Possibly Jones got the vehicle make correct, but he was off on the license plate. I'm curious if they ever looked into the background of the owner of the car they did find -- was she acquainted with anyone who fit the description of the guy allegedly dumping the body?

It's possible that this is someone who was already stalking Kim ( and may have been a tenant in her building or lived nearby) who found the perfect opportunity to subdue her. Or she was stalked while she was out shopping. His choice of apparel is pretty interesting; how many people are going to be worried about a guy wearing track clothes following you? It would be a clever way to appear 'busy' exercising while actually stalking women. Most people would simply assume he's working out and not have their guard up as much.

it's funny that Joe Jones admitted to taking a bribe to use the back dumpster

I'm new to the boards and just watched this segment. been lurking for a few weeks reading through alot of the posts.

it's funny that Joe Jones admitted to taking a bribe to use the back dumpster

Yeah... I couldn't believe it when he admitted to that! he was smiling like a kid whose hand got caught in the Cookie jar. :lol:

I mean what a total douche! not only does he look the other way when a suspicious character had blood on his clothes but recruits a buddy to look in the dumpster?? how unprofessional. I wouldn't be surprised if he did drugs. he just seems so out there.

Hmmm...the Joe theory is interesting. I for one take lie detector tests seriously, but it does seem odd he was at the right place at the wrong time...

I really don't think that Joe Jones was anything more than a witness. Had he been involved, he would've:

a. killed Su Ya, then dumped her in a dumpster in the area where he worked, something even the most clueless criminal would not do.
b. beyond that, he called attention to the body, going so far as to bring a friend over to the dumpster, as well as an ambulance driver--both things he wouldn't have done had he been guilty.

I think he simply walked up on the killer, took a bribe, got suspicious, and mis-read the license plate number or misidentified the car. Especially if the killer had stolen a license plate from another car, and Joe Jones mixed that up, it could make it very hard to find the car. I think the exchange student had nothing to do with it whatsoever.

Sad this case was never solved, the guy looked like a half surfer half nerd.

Did anyone think the actor playing the killer in this segment looked like the killer in the Tom Johnson segement?

I thought it looked like the same actor, even though the suspect in the Sue Young Kim case looked more Asian.

Did anyone think the actor playing the killer in this segment looked like the killer in the Tom Johnson segement?


interesting

Did anyone think the actor playing the killer in this segment looked like the killer in the Tom Johnson segement?

I thought it looked like the same actor, even though the suspect in the Sue Young Kim case looked more Asian.


It wasnt the same actor. "Tom Johnson" was played by Stephen Quadros, a martial arts actor and commentator. A friend of mine actually emailed him about the experience, said it was a weird job.

Considering Joe Jones a suspect is ludicrous, IMO. He admitted to taking a bribe from the killer. He was also at his job patrolling the area in which Su Ya's body was found. And Jones was the one who called the police. Do we really think Joe Jones is that stupid? Ok, let's say he was. Sometime during the day he meets Su Ya Kim, kills her for some unspecified reason, hides her body, and then decides to dispose of it while he's on the job patrolling a nearby building. Then he calls the police, makes his entire story up, and then just so happens to get a license plate to match the exact same make and model he described to police that night. Farfetched much?

Considering Joe Jones a suspect is ludicrous, IMO. He admitted to taking a bribe from the killer. He was also at his job patrolling the area in which Su Ya's body was found. And Jones was the one who called the police. Do we really think Joe Jones is that stupid? Ok, let's say he was. Sometime during the day he meets Su Ya Kim, kills her for some unspecified reason, hides her body, and then decides to dispose of it while he's on the job patrolling a nearby building. Then he calls the police, makes his entire story up, and then just so happens to get a license plate to match the exact same make and model he described to police that night. Farfetched much?


Joe Jones falls into the same category as Jeff Oberholzter in my book. People who you know are 100% innocent. Both of them are calm and collective in their interviews. Look at Chad Noe during his interview. His body language (IMO) shows that he’s guilty or knows something as to what really happened to Wendy, her daughter and her SIL. It may sound silly but I really look into body language during the UM interview when they are considering someone a suspect.

remember, i believe this case was in the early ninties, if there was a "black guy" around, he usually would be held as a suspect....

remember, i believe this case was in the early ninties, if there was a "black guy" around, he usually would be held as a suspect....
that is rather racist of you to insinuate

that is rather racist of you to insinuate


Coming from the guy with the Winnie the Pooh avatar

http://wtpir.ytmnd.com/

It's pure speculation on my part, but I wonder if the individual who murdered Su-Ya Kim may have gone on to become the Long Island Serial Killer (LISK).

At the begining of the segment, it is mentioned that the Kim's had 2 stores, one in Queens and one on Long Island (no city specified). The remains of the first of the LISK victims was linked to a dismembered body on Fire Island in 1996, 5 years after the Su-Ya Kim murder. The car that was identified was from a Tiawanese exchange student who attended CW Post College on Long Island, which is virtually due North from Gilgo Beach (where the LISK bodies were found) and approximately a 40 min. drive away. It is believed that the LISK murdered his victims during the summer season based on when the victims disappeared. Su-Ya Kim disappeared on June 29, 1991. The suspect is described as young (in his 20's), blonde hair and wearing a tank top with blue running shorts with yellow sailboats on them. Given the time of night and what the person was doing, it seemed particularly odd that he would be wearing apparel that would be most closely associated with the beach. The body of Su-Ya Kim was found nude, under a box in the dumpster, and I believe that the bodies of the LISK victims were nude, and some were in burlap bags, having clearly been murdered elsewhere.

Again, all of this is speculation on my part, but it certainly seems odd that the killer of Su-Ya Kim went to the trouble of disposing her body in an area that presumably was not near the location of her killing, and certainly not near (relatively) the site of her home.

I certainly question whether Su-Ya Kim was on the LISK first victims.