Who do you defend that puts you in the extreme minority? Who is someone that you have stood up for or at least not fingered right away. Who have you gone against the grain with?

I don't know anyone who has thought that Paul Pollis is innocent. Or Mike Morris. And rarely do you hear that about Larry Gibson here. Or Christi Nichols' husband. But if there are defenders of these guys or other unpopular figures on UM I want to hear your cases for them as to why they may be innocent. Should make for some interesting discussion.

For me I have stood up for Jude Caylor before. Dottie's husband. I didn't suspect a killer in his body language and by all accounts Dottie was manic depressive. That isn't to say that he couldn't be guilty, but I always leaned to the side that he wasn't and Dottie left on her own free will and maybe ran into foul play

oh, good question.

I always thought Curtis Croft got a worse rap than he deserved. It was like some were blaming him for what happened, but he certainly didn't invite what happened. And I heard he has tried to clean up his life.

Dottie Caylor had anxiety, agoraphobia, not manic depression. Susan Harrison had manic depression not Dottie Caylor.

In terms of defending people when it is unpopular, check my posts, you will see a ton of times when I have done this. I get ripped on quite regularly for it.

Who do you defend that puts you in the extreme minority? Who is someone that you have stood up for or at least not fingered right away. Who have you gone against the grain with?

I don't know anyone who has thought that Paul Pollis is innocent. Or Mike Morris. And rarely do you hear that about Larry Gibson here. Or Christi Nichols' husband. But if there are defenders of these guys or other unpopular figures on UM I want to hear your cases for them as to why they may be innocent. Should make for some interesting discussion.

For me I have stood up for Jude Caylor before. Dottie's husband. I didn't suspect a killer in his body language and by all accounts Dottie was manic depressive. That isn't to say that he couldn't be guilty, but I always leaned to the side that he wasn't and Dottie left on her own free will and maybe ran into foul play

I don't know if this puts me in the minority or not, but I do not believe Sheriff Wampler had anything to do with Eric Tamiyasu's murder. I just believe that he is incompetent and destroyed evidence on purpose because he did not like Eric on a personal level and because Eric may or may not have been having an affair with his wife. Some believe Wampler had something to do with the murder. Be it the actual triggerman, hiring a hitman or being involved in plotting the murder. I do not. I personally think it was Don Dixon.

I don't know if this puts me in the minority or not, but I do not believe Sheriff Wampler had anything to do with Eric Tamiyasu's murder.

I agree.

Not a big topic on this site, but I believe that Michael Self was innocent of the murders of Sharon Shaw and Rhonda Johnson.

As far as more controversial segments, I think Jeffrey MacDonald is guilty. While not exactly fitting the criteria for this thread, I guess I go against the majority in believing Cindy James invented the stalking occurrences and committed suicide/accidentally overdosed while staging an attack.

I agree.

Not a big topic on this site, but I believe that Michael Self was innocent of the murders of Sharon Shaw and Rhonda Johnson.

As far as more controversial segments, I think Jeffrey MacDonald is guilty. While not exactly fitting the criteria for this thread, I guess I go against the majority in believing Cindy James invented the stalking occurrences and committed suicide/accidentally overdosed while staging an attack.

You think you are in the minority? I know a lot of people think that Cindy was nothing more than a drama queen. Isn't it convenient that she's down on the ground/floor everytime someone is supposed to come to her house? Total acting on her part. A split personality for sure. No way her ex-husband continues that sherade for very long. Cindy was just an unhappy woman

Although I have gone back and fourth on the issue over the years, I have posted some comments before about my belief that Jule Caylor could be innocent. I just can't buy that he would go on national television and make such bold statements about being glad that Dottie was gone if he was responsible for her disappearance/death.

When I was much younger, I believed Larry Gibson and the abduction scenario. I don't believe it anymore though.

Although I have gone back and fourth on the issue over the years, I have posted some comments before about my belief that Jule Caylor could be innocent. I just can't buy that he would go on national television and make such bold statements about being glad that Dottie was gone if he was responsible for her disappearance/death.

When I was much younger, I believed Larry Gibson and the abduction scenario. I don't believe it anymore though.

Yeah me too. That really stunned me. I guess they really did have a rotten marriage. When he said "life is good" without Dottie, I mean, that is either really stupid or being very honest and I don't know which one it is. But if you were the prime suspect something tells me the only reason you would say that is because you know yourself you didn't do it.

It isn't crazy to think that Dottie got on that train and started a new life. People of her condition are extremely self-centered. But the other option would be foul play. She is seen as being vulnerable and the wrong person notices that. End of story for her

I guess I go against the majority in believing Cindy James invented the stalking occurrences and committed suicide/accidentally overdosed while staging an attack.

The majority believes that she did do this to herself. I, on the other hand, don't think so. I guess I am the only one here.

Jule Caylor can be innocent but I am always suspicious about the husbands when their wives just disappears and never reappear. It is common knowledge that in the majority of cases it was the husband.
And maybe he made those comments because he is just cocky enough and thinks they will never be able to pin it on him. Guess what, they couldn't.

I don't know if this puts me in the minority or not, but I do not believe Sheriff Wampler had anything to do with Eric Tamiyasu's murder. I just believe that he is incompetent and destroyed evidence on purpose because he did not like Eric on a personal level and because Eric may or may not have been having an affair with his wife. Some believe Wampler had something to do with the murder. Be it the actual triggerman, hiring a hitman or being involved in plotting the murder. I do not. I personally think it was Don Dixon.


For the record, I actually don;t think that Sheriff Wampler killed Eric, but I do believe he conspired to hide evidence because he knew who did committ the murder.

Jule Caylor can be innocent but I am always suspicious about the husbands when their wives just disappears and never reappear. It is common knowledge that in the majority of cases it was the husband.
And maybe he made those comments because he is just cocky enough and thinks they will never be able to pin it on him. Guess what, they couldn't.

It's important to consider these things with a lot of these guys
1. Usually there is a very good reason why these people became suspects by the police. Odds would favor that they are guilty.

2. A lot of these cases are missing person cases. A lot could change if the missing person was found alive. Dottie Caylor or Christy Nichol could be found alive somewhere which would completely exonerate both husbands.

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Originally Posted by soilentgreen
I guess I go against the majority in believing Cindy James invented the stalking occurrences and committed suicide/accidentally overdosed while staging an attack.

The majority believes that she did do this to herself. I, on the other hand, don't think so. I guess I am the only one here.

There is absolutely nothing wrong with you thinking that, either. You very well could be right and Cindy was attacked by a mysterious assailant.

I just want to make sure that your reasons are based on deductive thinking and not because you think Cindy is a nice girl and what happened to her was horrible.

I would love to believe that Cindy didn't do this to herself, but logic has to dictate that there is a strong possibility that Cindy made all this up.

Enough posts for today..i'll be here forever again.
Adios. Catch me on Websleuths.

In terms of defending people when it is unpopular, check my posts, you will see a ton of times when I have done this. I get ripped on quite regularly for it.

I automatically thought of you kadrmas when I read the thread title. :p

For me, I'm with the Jule Caylor group. I don't think he's guilty of anything surrounding Dottie's disappearance.

I've gone back and forth on it in the past, but I think Larry Race is innocent.

I'm on the fence leaning towards innocence with Jeffrey MacDonald as well.


This might not exactly fit here, but I always feel like I'm in the minority when we discuss Gail Delano. She had a very serious illness altering her judgement, and I believe she sincerely thought she was doing what was "best" for everyone around her by taking her own life. I don't think the motive was intentionally selfish at all.

In terms of Jule Caylor, yeah, I have gone back and forth on him too. I used to be so convinced he was guilty, but even back when I thought that, I had my doubts. I had my doubts that he, a guy who was on a national broadcast suspected of murder and being aware of that, would be that cocky about things unless he truly was innocent and truly had no idea where Dottie was. Just because Jule may be a cheater and a jerk does not make him a murderer.

As someone who has agoraphobia, the same thing Dottie had/has, I would say, people are not self centered in the sense some would like to portray. I mean yes, from the outside looking in I can see why someone would think that way. However most people in that state of mind, particularly if it is more desperate think that the world, or that their loved ones would be better off without them and the like. So you want to get away from stuff and you fake your own disappearance and go off assuming everyone would believe that you were dead. In the case of Jule Caylor, while I personally do not like him, I would not convict him of murder either as a rule of law, there is no evidence a murder occurred period, let alone that he did it. You cannot convict someone just because you do not like them.

I also agree Meg the Egg, that I do not feel that Gail Delano's suicide was selfish in the true sense of the word. It is because Gail, in her mind was not looking out for her own self interests, she was looking out for other people's or so she thought. She truly thought her sons and everyone else in her life would be better off without her and so she figured the only way to rectify the situation was by killing herself. It is sad and tragic but I imagine that is how she thought. Despite the cover up on her part, while irrational, I think she thought that by covering it up, she would spare her loved ones pain, to think she just ran off.

My guess about Jule Caylor is that he got sick of having Dottie around, and he just dropped her off somewhere. Dottie wouldn't last long and could have snapped. If she had intense fears, they could have driven her to kill herself. Jule technically wouldn't have done anything illegal.

I'm standing firm on my stance on Gale Delano

1. why did she think her family would be better off without her? It's not like she was a black sheep or anything. She appeared to have a good relationship with her kids and family and they seemed concerned for her. I'm not sure how this segment came about, but perhaps it was at the request of the family. If so, that would prove they had deep concerns for her well being. So with that being said, what provoked Gale to think her family would be better off without her? And why does she think her loneliness have anything to do with how her family feels about her?

2. even if she felt her family didn't love her, it doesn't seem like that completely applies here. The segment gives the impression that she killed herself because she was lonely and it was the only reason she did that.

3. She was in a new relationship at the very time she went off to kill herself. She talked on the phone with this guy for hours and was supposed to meet him for coffee. Yet, she feels lonely? Why?

4. does the segment say she was depressed? because I don't think we know that for sure. It's been speculated by some on here, but I don't remember getting the confirmation for that.

5. If she was depressed, she should have sought out some form of help. And I'm not talking about a late night loveline disc jockey. If she didn't want to see a psychiatrist or a psychologist, she should have called a crisis hotline, talked to friends, talked to family members, or whatever, but get some form of help. It sounds like she had been contemplating suicide for a while, but she should have picked up on the warning signs and sought out treatment.

6. Even if she couldn't attract a man (which I don't believe at all), she should have put aside any personal problems she had in order to be a good mother to her 2 children. For all we know, their father could be dead, effectively leaving them parentless upon Gale's suicide.

7. The way she went about this was particularly cruel: leaving her family to worry about what possibly could have happened to her, putting several men under police suspicion, and doing her darndest to avoid ever being identified.

Gale Delano was too arrogant, egotistical and selfish.

I'm standing firm on my stance on Gale Delano

1. why did she think her family would be better off without her? It's not like she was a black sheep or anything. She appeared to have a good relationship with her kids and family and they seemed concerned for her. I'm not sure how this segment came about, but perhaps it was at the request of the family. If so, that would prove they had deep concerns for her well being. So with that being said, what provoked Gale to think her family would be better off without her? And why does she think her loneliness have anything to do with how her family feels about her?

2. even if she felt her family didn't love her, it doesn't seem like that completely applies here. The segment gives the impression that she killed herself because she was lonely and it was the only reason she did that.

3. She was in a new relationship at the very time she went off to kill herself. She talked on the phone with this guy for hours and was supposed to meet him for coffee. Yet, she feels lonely? Why?

4. does the segment say she was depressed? because I don't think we know that for sure. It's been speculated by some on here, but I don't remember getting the confirmation for that.

5. If she was depressed, she should have sought out some form of help. And I'm not talking about a late night loveline disc jockey. If she didn't want to see a psychiatrist or a psychologist, she should have called a crisis hotline, talked to friends, talked to family members, or whatever, but get some form of help. It sounds like she had been contemplating suicide for a while, but she should have picked up on the warning signs and sought out treatment.

6. Even if she couldn't attract a man (which I don't believe at all), she should have put aside any personal problems she had in order to be a good mother to her 2 children. For all we know, their father could be dead, effectively leaving them parentless upon Gale's suicide.

7. The way she went about this was particularly cruel: leaving her family to worry about what possibly could have happened to her, putting several men under police suspicion, and doing her darndest to avoid ever being identified.

Gale Delano was too arrogant, egotistical and selfish.

I do feel some degree of sympathy for Gale Delano because judging from what a few of her friends said about her in the segment, she was living her life in a deep state of depression. For the record the segment mentions that Gail had struggled with depression and had been put on medication for it. She also had told her sister on at least one occasion that she was having suicidal thoughts.

But that is really as far as my sympathy goes for her. Gale Delano made a very selfish decision, a decision which more than likely will continue to impact her children for the rest of their lives.

I'm not all that convinced there ever was a man named "John". I think it could've very easily been a cover story and part of Gale's elaborate plan to cover her disappearance. The person that the police tracked down named "John" admitted to them that he had only spoken to Gale once and that was months before she vanished.

Another thing about Gale Delano that has been brought up in the past was that as desperate for companionship as she claimed to be, she was also extremely choosy about the men she was willing to date. I believe in her personal ad she had had listed criteria of what she was looking for in a man. I remember that she wasn't interested in men contacting her if they were "overweight". To be fair the term "overweight" is a subjective one...there is just being out of shape and then there is being obese and well as I said it's subjective.

As wiseguy said, the whole ruse she perpetrated on her loved ones is just really hard for me to get past. It's none of my business I understand that but to do that to your family and especially your children. I don't know, there has been speculation that she didn't want to bring shame upon her family by having it put out there that she committed suicide but again...the whole thing is just really sad.

my memory is a bit fuzzy, but I seem to recall that she parked her car at a restaurant and threw her keys and purse into the bushes there. This indicates to me she wanted her family to think she was kidnapped and worse, because what person who is about to committ suicide, would throw away their purse and keys? what purpose would that serve? I think that's terrible that she led her family to believe she had been kidnapped, and the family thought she may be have been raped, beaten and murdered.

I also read that the police spent tens of thousands of dollars investigating her disapperance, thus she is responsible for wasting police time and taxpayer dollars.

And I doubt Gale Delano wasn't the only lonely person to committ suicide, but I've never heard of anyone doing what she did, traveling to the opposite end of the country and casting suspicion on innocent people

What a despicable person Gale Delano was.

His daughter Katy said so. Quote " Katy said...

"THIS IS MY DAD YOU ARE ACCUSING OF TWO MURDERS! AND NO THE INSURANCE WAS NOT FOR $700,000, AND MY DAD DIDN'T GET THE MONEY I DID!"

That's all I will say as posts about the Mary Morris Murders were shut down a few years ago. I do not know if this is still standing after all this time - 5 years later.