TVSODVD.com just announced Rhoda Season 2 is coming January 26, 2010.

We may get a much better set this time around. According to a recent posting (http://www.shoutfactory.com/community/1992/thread.aspx) on the Shout! Factory website, it sounds like they've learned their lesson after Season 1...

Trust me when I say that we're doing everything (and then some) to make sure this release is the one you're hoping for, in terms of episode length and quality.

Woohoo!! Awesome news all around. :cool: :D

Woohoo!! Awesome news all around. :cool: :D


I just wish there was news of extras. It would be nice if Valerie Harper could participate with a COMMENTARY OR INTERVIEW! But what I really want is the unedited version of the pilot with Mary seeing Rhoda off at the airport.

I just wish there was news of extras. It would be nice if Valerie Harper could participate with a COMMENTARY OR INTERVIEW! But what I really want is the unedited version of the pilot with Mary seeing Rhoda off at the airport.
Does that scene exist ANYWHERE anymore?? :confused:

Does that scene exist ANYWHERE anymore?? :confused:

Of course it does. Scotsguy in the U.K., who taped the episodes uncut there has it.

However (and correct me if I'm wrong on this one), according to him, it was more of a "cold open" type of scene that took place before the opening credits started rolling. If that is true about the scene, then it must be the only time that the show had a cold open.

Why does Shout! have to learn its lesson(again) after a Season 1 release? They did that fiasco before with Father Knows Best!! they should know fans want uncut episodes!

Why does Shout! have to learn its lesson(again) after a Season 1 release? They did that fiasco before with Father Knows Best!! they should know fans want uncut episodes!

I'm sure that by now they do. It's not like they made it out to seem like that fans only want edited syndicated episodes.

Why does Shout! have to learn its lesson(again) after a Season 1 release? They did that fiasco before with Father Knows Best!! they should know fans want uncut episodes!
:yeahthat Not only that, but the picture quality of S1 was awful. :mad:

Sweet. Yes let's get the uncut eps this time, huh? (I'll still probably get the first set, and Scotsguy, can I still be on the list for the unedited eps. you found?) I still don't believe S1's quibbles was ALL Shout's fault, and at least they're responsive to our opinions and quick to continue the series.

I think I will post on Val's Twitter about appearing on bonuses. It may not mean anything, but hey, it's worth a try!

And can we PLEAAAAAASE have the Carlton cartoon as a bonus? MTM/Fox owns that too, right? (so it wouldn't be like them not being able to use the That Girl cartoon)

I'm sure that by now they do. It's not like they made it out to seem like that fans only want edited syndicated episodes.


don't put words in my mouth.......I didn't say they did. I said that after the Father Knows Best experience, which angered a lot of fans, they would know not to do edited episodes. I know sometimes it can't be helped when the original uncut source no longer exists.

don't put words in my mouth.......I didn't say they did. I said that after the Father Knows Best experience, which angered a lot of fans, they would know not to do edited episodes. I know sometimes it can't be helped when the original uncut source no longer exists.

I take it back. Forgive me?

And I apologize as well........i'm sorry.

Runtime.. 570 min
570 / 24 eps = 23.75 min

so no.. yet again there will be some edited ones.

Runtime.. 570 min
570 / 24 eps = 23.75 min

so no.. yet again there will be some edited ones.

Ah, but Brian @ Shout says...

The news comes from Amazon, which was given a lot of placeholder information by our sales department. Trust me when I say that we're doing everything (and then some) to make sure this release is the one you're hoping for, in terms of episode length and quality.

Ah true, well I guess its waiting time :p

Ah true, well I guess its waiting time :p

Yep, as I said, at least Shout has an open ear to fans' opinions. And is putting out further series at a reasonable duration (as I said, Fox maybe you ought to give all the MTM series to them!) Whether it is lip service or more, we shall see.

Of course it does. Scotsguy in the U.K., who taped the episodes uncut there has it.

However (and correct me if I'm wrong on this one), according to him, it was more of a "cold open" type of scene that took place before the opening credits started rolling. If that is true about the scene, then it must be the only time that the show had a cold open.

...and that "cold open" should not be missing! That one scene has so much significance just for nostalgia sake to MTM/Rhoda fans. Rhoda departing The Mary Tyler Moore Show, and continuing on in Rhoda, its just so important to be there. Please include it as an extra on season 2!!!!!!!!!!

Perhaps Shout! Factory can save face by including full-legth versions of the season one syndicated prints as "hidden" Easter eggs in future box sets.

Perhaps Shout! Factory can save face by including full-legth versions of the season one syndicated prints as "hidden" Easter eggs in future box sets.


Exactly what I'm thinking, but if nothing else that opening scene of the pilot!!!!! Its the opening of the whole series and needs to be included!!! I can't stress this enough:soapbox:

Of course it does. Scotsguy in the U.K., who taped the episodes uncut there has it.

However (and correct me if I'm wrong on this one), according to him, it was more of a "cold open" type of scene that took place before the opening credits started rolling. If that is true about the scene, then it must be the only time that the show had a cold open.


By the way, I have the pilot of Phyllis on Vhs, and it had a "cold opening" also. It didn't include Mary Richards, but in the opening scene before the opening credits, Phyllis is sitting in her lawyers office (still in Minneapolis!), contemplating what to do with her life, since Lars died suddenly, then after the opening, (fast-forward) were in San Francisco, where Phyliss' inlaws live. Anyways, that scene was not lost like Rhoda's.

I just wish there was news of extras. It would be nice if Valerie Harper could participate with a COMMENTARY OR INTERVIEW! But what I really want is the unedited version of the pilot with Mary seeing Rhoda off at the airport.

Update: They just reported Valerie is not available to participate in extras for season 2. :(

I am surprised they announced this considering the season one disaster. At least they seem to be trying to make improvements for season two. I had planned to buy Rhoda season one, but after finding out the quality was poor with many edited episodes, I decided not to buy. I'll read reviews for season two before I choose to buy it.

Update: They just reported Valerie is not available to participate in extras for season 2. :(
BOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO...

Update: They just reported Valerie is not available to participate in extras for season 2. :(
I was really shocked by that, but I guess it was a scheduling thing. I can't see Valerie not wanting to do it. At least this time they tried, it didn't seem like they even did that for S1.

- Kristen

Here's what the artwork looks like:

http://www.tvshowsondvd.net/graphics/news3/Rhoda_S2.jpg

^ Thanks for posting that, Jenny!! Great cover art!! :cool: :D

Now if we could just get Phyllis!!!!!!:D :D

Has any other show had two EDITED DVD releases in a row? This maybe a first

Has any other show had two EDITED DVD releases in a row? This maybe a first

ALF had FOUR, count em FOUR edited sets in a row. Only 5 episodes out of 102 were unedited on the AMERICAN dvd sets, while the german, dutch and french sets had a great start - a mere 40 seconds is missing from 1 episode of the first season, other than that unedited.

I think Will & Grace was treated horribly on DVD as well, also released by the same DVD company that released ALF - Lions Gate Studios.

ALF had FOUR, count em FOUR edited sets in a row. Only 5 episodes out of 102 were unedited on the AMERICAN dvd sets, while the german, dutch and french sets had a great start - a mere 40 seconds is missing from 1 episode of the first season, other than that unedited.

I think Will & Grace was treated horribly on DVD as well, also released by the same DVD company that released ALF - Lions Gate Studios.
Why were all the ALF sets in the US edited? Music rights? :confused:

Why were all the ALF sets in the US edited? Music rights? :confused:

Well.. first of all they used syndicated prints, claimed those original tapes were in better condition (although the european S1 proved to feature excellent crystal clear videos...), then they removed every single piece of music so it wouldn't cost them as much in royalties, then they sold them.
I'd say cheapness.

A total of 80 minutes is missing from the first season on DVD, quite a lot in my book.

Well.. first of all they used syndicated prints, claimed those original tapes were in better condition (although the european S1 proved to feature excellent crystal clear videos...), then they removed every single piece of music so it wouldn't cost them as much in royalties, then they sold them.
I'd say cheapness.

A total of 80 minutes is missing from the first season on DVD, quite a lot in my book.
I call that a ripoff!! BOOOO...:mad:

Update: They just reported Valerie is not available to participate in extras for season 2. :(

This is all about $$$$, Many actors are bitter because they have been ripped off for years and do not get compensated for syndication and now dvd sales......many stars do not participate because they want big $$$ to "grant" an interview or a piece of the sales...which companies cannot do......nothing against Valerie Harper but she has been in controversies regarding money in the past......hence "Valerie" becoming "The Hogan Family" and giving Sandy Duncan a second shot at stardom......I'm sure Sandy would be willing to do any commentaries or extras!...lol....Too bad David Groh only passed away a short time ago....

This is all about $$$$, Many actors are bitter because they have been ripped off for years and do not get compensated for syndication and now dvd sales......many stars do not participate because they want big $$$ to "grant" an interview or a piece of the sales...which companies cannot do......nothing against Valerie Harper but she has been in controversies regarding money in the past......hence "Valerie" becoming "The Hogan Family" and giving Sandy Duncan a second shot at stardom......I'm sure Sandy would be willing to do any commentaries or extras!...lol....Too bad David Groh only passed away a short time ago....
How about Julie Kavner? Harold Gould is still alive, isn't he?

I am surprised they announced this considering the season one disaster. At least they seem to be trying to make improvements for season two. I had planned to buy Rhoda season one, but after finding out the quality was poor with many edited episodes, I decided not to buy. I'll read reviews for season two before I choose to buy it.

Hey I'd rather have the complete eps. before an interview or such with Val, all due respect to her. Not having that would not kill the set for me. OTOH, I am still on the fence about getting the first set because of the edited eps. I prolly will have to get it for completion though (provided I get those complete eps. we know about as a companion piece, and hey, if anyone has an EVEN BETTER plan than that, let me know!) So that says something!

Them saying they're working on complete eps. >>>>> Valerie or no Valerie. And at least they're honest with us.

How about Julie Kavner? Harold Gould is still alive, isn't he?

But would Julie think she was "above" Rhoda now, being on the best known animated series ever and all that?

Well.. first of all they used syndicated prints, claimed those original tapes were in better condition (although the european S1 proved to feature excellent crystal clear videos...), then they removed every single piece of music so it wouldn't cost them as much in royalties, then they sold them.
I'd say cheapness.

A total of 80 minutes is missing from the first season on DVD, quite a lot in my book.

And speaking of who uses the most edited prints, AND music rights, how about, I dunno...ANYTHING FROM CBS NOWADAYS?!!? (As if you can't tell from my sig)

Has any other show had two EDITED DVD releases in a row? This maybe a first

Now come on, let's think optimistically. I'll take their word for it for now...

But would Julie think she was "above" Rhoda now, being on the best known animated series ever and all that?
Well, her long-time companion, David Davis (co-creator of Rhoda and who has been very involved in the extras on the Bob Newhart Show and Mary Tyler Moore Show DVDs) may be able to persuade her. Or maybe not.

Well, her long-time companion, David Davis (co-creator of Rhoda and who has been very involved in the extras on the Bob Newhart Show and Mary Tyler Moore Show DVDs) may be able to persuade her. Or maybe not.

Great news about Season Two, thanks! Here's to hoping that they can do a MUCH better job, this time! I have to say, I was happy to buy Season One, despite the serious disappointments. I had a lot of fun watching it. However: Restoring the cold opening to the pilot episode is beyond important to me, as well.

Having recently purchased MTM Season Five on dvd, I have to agree that unedited eisodes with good picture/audio quality is far more important to me than any extras would be. Extras are great when they are done right, but that's exactly what they are: extras. Put the money into full length episodes, you know? I'm not all the way through the new MTM set yet, but there is definately scenes that have not been present in syndication.

Hearing something from Valerie by way of commentary ect, would be cool...but I agree, it's more than likely a money issue. If that is indeed the case, it's a real SHAME...and I mean that in every sense of the word.

PHYLLIS will happen on dvd, I've always been certain of this. I look forward to it, because I know that many people will find it to be a much funnier show than they remember. I would love the cut scenes restored. If we wind up with edited ep's, at least we can have it at all. It would be GREAT to have the Mother Dexter Wedding episode presented in it's original, hour long presentation.

As for any possible extras: I'm certain Cloris would be more than willing to do commentary, for even a nominal fee. I'd love to hear any thoughts she has about her fellow cast mates, many of whom have passed away. It would be wonderful to see her unaired taped eulogy for Barbara Colby, too. I would only hope that she gets her fatcs a little more straigh than she did in her book: she actually credits the MTM ep "Phyllis Whips Inflation" as the pilot episode of PHYLLIS! Oy!

It would be great if everyone here who was interested would go over to Shout!'s message boards, and request these things. I'd love to see LOU GRANT again, too.

And speaking of who uses the most edited prints, AND music rights, how about, I dunno...ANYTHING FROM CBS NOWADAYS?!!? (As if you can't tell from my sig)

They dont use a lot of syndicated prints though, I know Cheers had heaps of music edits in the latter years but at least they used full length episodes and not syndicated prints.

As for any possible extras: I'm certain Cloris would be more than willing to do commentary, for even a nominal fee. I'd love to hear any thoughts she has about her fellow cast mates, many of whom have passed away. It would be wonderful to see her unaired taped eulogy for Barbara Colby, too. I would only hope that she gets her fatcs a little more straigh than she did in her book: she actually credits the MTM ep "Phyllis Whips Inflation" as the pilot episode of PHYLLIS! Oy!

Well it WAS the last episode she would appear in before the finale. So technically she could be telling the truth.

They dont use a lot of syndicated prints though, I know Cheers had heaps of music edits in the latter years but at least they used full length episodes and not syndicated prints.

Later years, as in the ones CBS did and not Paramount Home Video? Coincidence? I think not ;-)

I dunno, their revisionist versions of episodes can be as bothersome as using syndie versions.

Of course I am just guessing here also, but I doubt that Valerie's decline to provide extras on the DVD set has anything to do with money. She's very busy these days with her stage shows and has won rave reviews for her performances.

Of course I am just guessing here also, but I doubt that Valerie's decline to provide extras on the DVD set has anything to do with money. She's very busy these days with her stage shows and has won rave reviews for her performances.

I understand and respect your thoughts...but lets face it....how difficult is it to hire a freelance production company, if she can't travel to shout, and feed her questions for "soundbite" answers for one hour. I'm in the TV business, it's not that difficult...I produced a local "Classic TV" talk show for 10 years, during those years, we didn't pay a single guest and I have quite a list of stars who gave me flat out "no's" when no money was involved...others were so kind....many of the stars I dealt with, were all very sweet and surprised me at times of how giving they were with their generious time. Trust me, it's about compensation.

I understand and respect your thoughts...but lets face it....how difficult is it to hire a freelance production company, if she can't travel to shout, and feed her questions for "soundbite" answers for one hour. I'm in the TV business, it's not that difficult...I produced a local "Classic TV" talk show for 10 years, during those years, we didn't pay a single guest and I have quite a list of stars who gave me flat out "no's" when no money was involved...others were so kind....many of the stars I dealt with, were all very sweet and surprised me at times of how giving they were with their generious time. Trust me, it's about compensation.
Your TV work sounds fascinating...you must have tons of interesting stories. It is just a shame when the money issue comes between the stars and fans when it comes to DVDs and such.

I understand and respect your thoughts...but lets face it....how difficult is it to hire a freelance production company, if she can't travel to shout, and feed her questions for "soundbite" answers for one hour. I'm in the TV business, it's not that difficult...I produced a local "Classic TV" talk show for 10 years, during those years, we didn't pay a single guest and I have quite a list of stars who gave me flat out "no's" when no money was involved...others were so kind....many of the stars I dealt with, were all very sweet and surprised me at times of how giving they were with their generious time. Trust me, it's about compensation.

I also think its curious that Valerie usually is with the cast of TMTMS whenever they get together for any kind of reunion, and participated in some commentary (although minimal) on seasons 1 & 2 dvd releases.

I also think its curious that Valerie usually is with the cast of TMTMS whenever they get together for any kind of reunion, and participated in some commentary (although minimal) on seasons 1 & 2 dvd releases.
Valerie also reunited with David Groh and Harold Gould about 10-15 yrs. ago for a Rhoda mini-reunion on a talk show. I think the show was either Sally Jessy Raphael or Phil Donahue.

Valerie also reunited with David Groh and Harold Gould about 10-15 yrs. ago for a Rhoda mini-reunion on a talk show. I think the show was either Sally Jessy Raphael or Phil Donahue.

There is another interview with Valerie, Julie Kavner and Nancy Walker on some talk show. This was when Rhoda was on the air.

There is another interview with Valerie, Julie Kavner and Nancy Walker on some talk show. This was when Rhoda was on the air.
:cool:

Your TV work sounds fascinating...you must have tons of interesting stories. It is just a shame when the money issue comes between the stars and fans when it comes to DVDs and such.

Hi catlover,

your words are very kind and yes I feel very fortunate to have worked in the TV industry in different degrees for now 30 years straight....I do have many stories.....but since this post is so off topic, I will keep it brief.....during my years as the producer of the "classic TV" show which was syndicated on satellite in the late 1980's and early 1990's, it was never shown on any station you would have heard of....we were on something now off the air called "Channel America" which was a feed for Low Power Television Stations in need of programming.....off the top of my head, here is a list of the classic celebrities that were a pleasure to meet and work with....I'll keep the negative ones off the list or any future posts...but the following were a pleasure....

Alan Young
Connie Hines
Morton Downey, Jr. (a pussycat)
The Livingston Brothers
Al Lewis
Tim Considine
Butch Patrick
Tina Cole
Jonathan Frid
Dawn Wells
Gunner & Matthew Nelson
Erin Murphy
Richard Simmons
Richard Kline
Lauren Tewes
Norman Feld
Rich Little
Kent McCord
Gavin McCloud
Davy Jones, Micky Dolenz, Peter Tork
Pete Best
John Astin
Danny Bonaduce (very nice, it's all an act)
John Amos
Valerie Bertinelli
Danielle Brisbois
Pat Harrington
Dawn Lynn
Johnny Crawford
Kellie Martin
Chris Burke
Joyce Randolph
Dan Laurie
Henry Winkler

So many others, but thats all I can think of for now.....but trust me I have a list three times longer of the same type of "celebrities" who were bitter, demanded compensation, were rude, and again were just spoiled and were very difficult to work around their "demands". Again I will NEVER make a list of those actors/actresses due to my respect for the business and their privacy.

^ Awesome!! Did you ever meet Gregory Sierra?? :D

Its nice to know all those people are nice and down to earth. Thanks for sharing your experiences.:)

^ Awesome!! Did you ever meet Gregory Sierra?? :D

No I never had the pleasure.....

No I never had the pleasure.....
Darn! :( :lol:

It may be that Valerie just wasn't available when they were doing the interviews for Rhoda Remembered.
I do remember reading that Michele Lee didn't do the commentary for Knots Landing season1,due to the fact they weren't being paid for it.
I didn't blame her,this is a woman who was in every episode of Knots,sometimes unpaid due to a low budget in the final season and they wouldn't even pay her to do a commentary!

It may be that Valerie just wasn't available when they were doing the interviews for Rhoda Remembered.
I do remember reading that Michele Lee didn't do the commentary for Knots Landing season1,due to the fact they weren't being paid for it.
I didn't blame her,this is a woman who was in every episode of Knots,sometimes unpaid due to a low budget in the final season and they wouldn't even pay her to do a commentary!
Yeah, that is pretty crummy. ohno:

First of all I am a fan of Shout Factory for releasing so many Tv dvds that wouldnt be released otherwise but their poor attempt in releasing Season 1 of Rhoda with edited episodes and awful picture quality didnt make me buy it. It's a shame because I am a big fan of the show and was looking forward to see it again. Now Season 2 is being released by Shout Factory with some better news to it. Unedited episodes with them being digitally remastered. I cant wait to get Season 2. I just wish Season 1 was released the same way. Instead of it being in my dvd collection it collects dust at my local store...such a shame.

First of all I am a fan of Shout Factory for releasing so many Tv dvds that wouldnt be released otherwise but their poor attempt in releasing Season 1 of Rhoda with edited episodes and awful picture quality didnt make me buy it. It's a shame because I am a big fan of the show and was looking forward to see it again. Now Season 2 is being released by Shout Factory with some better news to it. Unedited episodes with them being digitally remastered. I cant wait to get Season 2. I just wish Season 1 was released the same way. Instead of it being in my dvd collection it collects dust at my local store...such a shame.

I probably will want to pick it up anyway just for sake of completion. I have to, unless someone has a treasure trove of ALL the complete episodes somewhere as an alternative. (as it is, maybe the Shout set plus those full eps. circulating here will give me some solace). But hopefully they'll adjust all the flaws of S1 come S2. At least they are telling the fans they will try, unlike CBS, which has yet to reallllllly listen to our complaints about their TV sets. (Can you tell I am not a fan of theirs yet? ;-))

I want to go to the Shout board and ask just what happened and why S2 will/could be different. Were the S1 copies allowed to get that bad (I mean since their aired on the UKFChannel and all) and worse than other seasons? Not enough time to research for full eps? Etc, etc...

TV Shows on DVD site is reporting that the release date for Season 2 has been pushed back to March.

Their guess is the company is trying to get uncut episodes for the DVD release

TV Shows on DVD site is reporting that the release date for Season 2 has been pushed back to March.

Their guess is the company is trying to get uncut episodes for the DVD release

And that's a GOOD thing :-)

And that's a GOOD thing :-)


Yes, I agree. I just posted on another thread, season 1's release was ruined because (its seems) they rushed to get it out for the show's 35 anniversary.
I'm willing to wait for it to be done right!!!:)

They should put the unedited Rhoda pilot on as a special feature on a future Rhoda release.

I wanted to buy season 1, but didn't because the reviews were so bad I was afraid I would be wasting my money. A friend got it for me for my birthday and I have been watching it the past few days. I know it is edited and the picture quality isn't great...but I have so missed this show!!! I am having so much watching it again. I can't wait for season 2. I hope it will be better and the episodes will be uncut, but really I am just looking forward to hanging out (via my TV) with Rhoda again! :)

I love Rhoda too,it was such a shame they messed up the first season so badly,I did buy the first season.
Shout say season2 of Rhoda is remastered and complete so will buy season2 and hopefully that will be ok.

Did S2 come out yet? I thought it was released in January. Has anyone 'reviewed' it here?