A lot of guys always insist that they pay, but I know many women, they see no wrong in letting them pay for their own dinner, and maybe even the guys. What do you think on this subject? In the past it was a custom for a guy to pay for dinner. it was even considered with such acts as, pulling out their chair and pushing it in for them, and opening doors for them. people consider those 2 acts as chivalry, so I don't see how paying for dinner is considered chivalry, but I do it anyway. I always used to buy my mom dinner for her bday, when I was just a kid as well. It just seemed like a classy, really generous, nice thing to do. Buying a woman a birthday dinner is different then paying for dinner when you go out for a date with a woman, but I am just saying. What do you think?

I think it's okay for men to buy dinner for women (as long as it's not all the time.) I would be fine with a man paying for dinner occasionally, and I would do the same for him as well.

Being a man I hate the idea!! :lol: Seriously I think that if the man asked the woman out on the date then it is his responsibility to pay. If on the other hand the woman asked the man out.... how should I know? I've never been asked out!

Being a man I hate the idea!! :lol: Seriously I think that if the man asked the woman out on the date then it is his responsibility to pay. If on the other hand the woman asked the man out.... how should I know? I've never been asked out!

That seems reasonable. These days with many women earning as much or more than men, the ideal of a man always paying kind of conflicts with reality a bit. And honestly, I can't speak for women (or many men for that matter, lol), but I would think that being allowed to pay some of the time would ease whatever guilt/feeling of "obligation" they might have regarding anything else going on after the date.

P.S. Marv, keep hope alive. Tomorrow might be the day!:)

Maybe it's just me, but I'd rather pay my own way. Some men seem to think that just because they pay for a woman's meal and/or drink...that she *cough* OWES him. Unless it was a guy I knew well and trusted, I'd rather go dutch, thanks.

Maybe it's just me, but I'd rather pay my own way. Some men seem to think that just because they pay for a woman's meal and/or drink...that she *cough* OWES him. Unless it was a guy I knew well and trusted, I'd rather go dutch, thanks.

Yeah there is that issue of independence that enters in and I totally respect it. Many guys "expect" something afterwards if they pay (present company and I'm sure Marv not included here) and going dutch would alleviate such a notion.

Then again, I'm sure most of the ladies here would be more prudent about who they go to dinner with, and would probably decline an invite from a guy who might think such a thing.:)

Yeah there is that issue of independence that enters in and I totally respect it. Many guys "expect" something afterwards if they pay (present company and I'm sure Marv not included here) and going dutch would alleviate such a notion.

Then again, I'm sure most of the ladies here would be more prudent about who they go to dinner with, and would probably decline an invite from a guy who might think such a thing.:)
True, but you can't be too careful - especially these days.

Yeah there is that issue of independence that enters in and I totally respect it. Many guys "expect" something afterwards if they pay (present company and I'm sure Marv not included here) and going dutch would alleviate such a notion.

Then again, I'm sure most of the ladies here would be more prudent about who they go to dinner with, and would probably decline an invite from a guy who might think such a thing.:)
Thanks. And your right. I don't expect something from a woman just because I buy her dinner. And I hate that there are are guys that do. Mostly because it's unfair to the ladies. Also because it makes dating more difficult for nice guys like us.

True, but you can't be too careful - especially these days.

You are very wise to be very cautious, Monika. It does often seem these days that not only are very few people playing by the traditional rules, most don't even know what they are! :(

That seems reasonable. These days with many women earning as much or more than men, the ideal of a man always paying kind of conflicts with reality a bit. And honestly, I can't speak for women (or many men for that matter, lol), but I would think that being allowed to pay some of the time would ease whatever guilt/feeling of "obligation" they might have regarding anything else going on after the date.
I agree. You made some very good points. The days of a man always paying seems antiquated to me. Times change, customs changes, and I believe this is one of those times.

Thanks. And your right. I don't expect something from a woman just because I buy her dinner. And I hate that there are are guys that do. Mostly because it's unfair to the ladies. Also because it makes dating more difficult for nice guys like us.

I can't imagine how paranoid I'd be if I had daughters. Being a guy and knowing guys, I honestly think I'd have to be tranquilized each time my hypothetical daughter would go out on a date!:eek:

You are very wise to be very cautious, Monika. It does often seem these days that not only are very few people playing by the traditional rules, most don't even know what they are! :(
Trust me, I'm speaking from many bad experiences!! :eek:

I agree. You made some very good points. The days of a man always paying seems antiquated to me. Times change, customs changes, and I believe this is one of those times.

Thank you. I'm a traditionalist in most things, but as you said, some things do change out of necessity and the simple inertia of time.

Trust me, I'm speaking from many bad experiences!! :eek:

Very sorry to hear that. Also glad to hear while your experiences have altered your approach a bit, they haven't jaded you on more positive outcomes. :)

It matters on the situation. I, when I go on a date, I do allow a man to pay for the dinner, but I always pay for the drinks after wards, or the tip. I think that is fair.

A lot of guys always insist that they pay, but I know many women, they see no wrong in letting them pay for their own dinner, and maybe even the guys. What do you think on this subject? In the past it was a custom for a guy to pay for dinner. it was even considered with such acts as, pulling out their chair and pushing it in for them, and opening doors for them. people consider those 2 acts as chivalry, so I don't see how paying for dinner is considered chivalry, but I do it anyway. I always used to buy my mom dinner for her bday, when I was just a kid as well. It just seemed like a classy, really generous, nice thing to do. Buying a woman a birthday dinner is different then paying for dinner when you go out for a date with a woman, but I am just saying. What do you think?


Interesting thread.

Last summer the wife and I went on a cruise through Halifax, in Nova Scotia. One night was game night and one game to be played was the newlywed game.

The MC had three couples, one, newlyweds on their honeymoon, one married 20 years and for the third he wanted the couple married the longest. That couple was in their early 80's, married for exactly 60 years. All were seated on stage and the women then were asked to leave. Upon returning the MC was about to ask the questions, when he turned somber and asked the audience if anyone noticed what he did. That being only one man rose and pulled back the chair for his wife, that being the elderly elderly man. The newlywed husband looked sheepish and the audience gave a long sustained applause. When asked the keys to a happy marriage, the old guy replied," I say I'm sorry quite often"

Chilvary is never dead and is nice to see people observing it.

Harvey

Maybe it's just me, but I'd rather pay my own way. Some men seem to think that just because they pay for a woman's meal and/or drink...that she *cough* OWES him. Unless it was a guy I knew well and trusted, I'd rather go dutch, thanks.

I agree with this.

Interesting thread.

Last summer the wife and I went on a cruise through Halifax, in Nova Scotia. One night was game night and one game to be played was the newlywed game.

The MC had three couples, one, newlyweds on their honeymoon, one married 20 years and for the third he wanted the couple married the longest. That couple was in their early 80's, married for exactly 60 years. All were seated on stage and the women then were asked to leave. Upon returning the MC was about to ask the questions, when he turned somber and asked the audience if anyone noticed what he did. That being only one man rose and pulled back the chair for his wife, that being the elderly elderly man. The newlywed husband looked sheepish and the audience gave a long sustained applause. When asked the keys to a happy marriage, the old guy replied," I say I'm sorry quite often"

Chilvary is never dead and is nice to see people observing it.

Harvey
That is such a sweet story, Harvey!! Thank you so much for sharing it. :heart: :D

I'm kinda old fashioned on this by which I am all about chivarly when it comes to dating a woman. I have no problems paying for dinner on the first date. The way I look at it I asked her out and paying for dinner is a way to show my appreciation for her to take time out of her schedule to spend a couple of hours with me over food. Sound conry huh?


One time I took this girl out and offered to pay for dinner. She was insistent that we split the tab, so I agreed, and I got the tip. Not too long afterward a mutual friend told me that she was complaining that she had to pay for the dinner. I dont get it?? What did I do??

I'm kinda old fashioned on this by which I am all about chivarly when it comes to dating a woman. I have no problems paying for dinner on the first date. The way I look at it I asked her out and paying for dinner is a way to show my appreciation for her to take time out of her schedule to spend a couple of hours with me over food. Sound conry huh?


One time I took this girl out and offered to pay for dinner. She was insistent that we split the tab, so I agreed, and I got the tip. Not too long afterward a mutual friend told me that she was complaining that she had to pay for the dinner. I dont get it?? What did I do??

:lol: lol! Women do that sometimes, they expect men to fight harder to pay... I guess your date expected you to insist on it and not take no for an answer.:crazy:
I'm quite old fashioned too, I think it's only proper for the man to pay for dinner on the first date, and if the man thinks you *owe* him after that, well, that's his problem.:rolleyes: Now, second, third, fourth date, etc. I'd split the tab, or leave the tip.. start contributing more, ya know? And if we got serious, I'd treat him to dinner I guess. :lol:

B Seriously I think that if the man asked the woman out on the date then it is his responsibility to pay. If on the other hand the woman asked the man out.... how should I know? I've never been asked out!


Awww, I'm sorry to hear that! If I wasn't married I'd ask you out.;) But since I am, I'd have to ask my husband if it's okay first!:lol: Besides, it's only a three hour drive between us! Well, give or take a little thing called the international border!;)

I had this issue come up on my first date with my husband, actually. I've mentioned this before, but it was kind of "fate" when he asked me out. Long story short, I was planning on asking him out, since I didn't think it would happen the other way around. We were talking in the parking lot after we had gone to lunch with our Sunday School class and there was a lull in the conversation. I literally opened my mouth to ask him out and he says "Do you want to go see a movie sometime?" I kid you not, my reaction was :eek2: So when we went out, he let me pick the restaurant. I picked TGI Fridays, since that was my favorite place at the time. He paid for dinner and then we went to see "Sleepless In Seattle." I remember standing in line thinking "Okay since I was going to ask him out anyway, I'm going to pay for the movie." I handed over the money and I think he was grateful because he said "Thanks, but the man should always pay." Of course on later dates, he had conveniently forgotten that he said that! :lol: But from then on, we took turns paying. Now when we "take turns" it doesn't matter since it all ends up on the same credit card!

Andrea

The way I see it, whoever asks should pay. I'm all for equality and fairness, but times have changed. Being traditional is one thing, but I think it's unfair to expect the man to pay for everything, court the woman, etc. If a woman asks me out, I would assume she is paying. If I asked her out, I would be paying.

The way I see it, whoever asks should pay. I'm all for equality and fairness, but times have changed. Being traditional is one thing, but I think it's unfair to expect the man to pay for everything, court the woman, etc. If a woman asks me out, I would assume she is paying. If I asked her out, I would be paying.

Really that's how it should be. If the woman does the asking out and the man objects to her paying, that's one thing, but the offer should still be made without question.

What if one person assumes the other is paying, and so on and so on? Guess both of us are stuck washing dishes & rolling our sleeves up :lol:.

Really that's how it should be. If the woman does the asking out and the man objects to her paying, that's one thing, but the offer should still be made without question.

Yeah I agree with both of you. It is assumed, with whoever asked, like you said.

Really that's how it should be. If the woman does the asking out and the man objects to her paying, that's one thing, but the offer should still be made without question.


Without a doubt. One thing I noticed is many women(not all) are reverse sexists. If you expect a man to ask you out or expect him to pay for most dates, isn't that basically discriminating against the opposite gender?

What if one person assumes the other is paying, and so on and so on? Guess both of us are stuck washing dishes & rolling our sleeves up :lol:.


That's why you always have money on you. :lol: If a woman pulled that on me, there would be no second date.

Without a doubt. One thing I noticed is many women(not all) are reverse sexists. If you expect a man to ask you out or expect him to pay for most dates, isn't that basically discriminating against the opposite gender?

How is that discriminating against us though, if they assume that, depending upon who it is too?

That's why you always have money on you. :lol: If a woman pulled that on me, there would be no second date.

I was just thinking that lol. I am wondering if this girl I have started to talk to, asks me out and does this, will I want to talk to her again because of it? lol.

How is that discriminating against us though, if they assume that, depending upon who it is too?


In years past, men were expected to ask the woman out and pay for just about everything. In a sense, that's discriminating against women because that's basically saying "You're useless and incapable of doing anything for yourself". When women earned equal rights in the 70s, a lot changed. Because they were discriminated in the past, a lot of that changed. So when a woman is just expecting the man to do everything, they are basically discriminating against them. It was done to them, so now they're reversing it by doing the same thing.

I was just thinking that lol. I am wondering if this girl I have started to talk to, asks me out and does this, will I want to talk to her again because of it? lol.


If she asks you out and expects you to pay, I would not give her another look, much less another date.

In years past, men were expected to ask the woman out and pay for just about everything. In a sense, that's discriminating against women because that's basically saying "You're useless and incapable of doing anything for yourself". When women earned equal rights in the 70s, a lot changed. Because they were discriminated in the past, a lot of that changed. So when a woman is just expecting the man to do everything, they are basically discriminating against them. It was done to them, so now they're reversing it by doing the same thing.

Very good points their.

If she asks you out and expects you to pay, I would not give her another look, much less another date.

really? lol. thanks for the advice. i might just ask her out myself though, and that will be avoided anyway lol. What you said I mean.

really? lol. thanks for the advice. i might just ask her out myself though, and that will be avoided anyway lol. What you said I mean.


It really shouldn't matter who takes the initiative. If you're interested, go for it.

It really shouldn't matter who takes the initiative. If you're interested, go for it.

i will. thank you sir.

i will. thank you sir.


;)

;)

any women down your neck of the woods you are interested in?

any women down your neck of the woods you are interested in?


At present, no. Fellow poster Adam(not sure which name he uses on here) had me thinking though. Perhaps it is time to look for someone.

At present, no. Fellow poster Adam(not sure which name he uses on here) had me thinking though. Perhaps it is time to look for someone.

I have learned to just let them find you LOL. After years of looking, I gave up on doing that lol. I don't think you need to go out looking for them. It is great to have a love interest, but it's not a meal that is required for you to have, if you don't already have one lol. Basically meaning, it should not be on a check list, as if it were on a list of things to go shopping for at the super market ;).

I have learned to just let them find you LOL. After years of looking, I gave up on doing that lol. I don't think you need to go out looking for them. It is great to have a love interest, but it's not a meal that is require for you to have, if you don't already have one lol.


I never looked for one though. My standards are pretty high, so I can't say I'm surprised that I'm still single.

I never looked for one though. My standards are pretty high, so I can't say I'm surprised that I'm still single.

it's just about finding the right woman for you, not necessarily the right one for anybody else. i fell in love with this wonderful woman a few years ago but the situation wasn't in my favor, so nothing ever became of it. but it's good because that girl and I are really good friends now. so a lot of good things can come from it as well.

it's just about finding the right woman for you, not necessarily the right one for anybody else. i fell in love with this wonderful woman a few years ago but the situation wasn't in my favor, so nothing ever became of it. but it's good because that girl and I are really good friends now. so a lot of good things can come from it as well.


If I did it for other people, the relationship would never last because I would never want to be involved. It's good that you remained friends with that girl. Similar thing happened with a friend of mine, but it didn't work out and we don't talk anymore.

If I did it for other people, the relationship would never last because I would never want to be involved. It's good that you remained friends with that girl. Similar thing happened with a friend of mine, but it didn't work out and we don't talk anymore.

that's good, because a lot of people will listen to things other people will say, instead of getting to know and believing the actual person, who probably never did any of the things people accuse them for in the first place. people just like to spread rumors, and hate around and to tell lies about totally false things, and some people believe that- is what baffles me even more lol. Not you though and that's real good. Yeah, I never had any problems with her at all, just the situation was not in my favor lol. I am glad I got back in touch with her though. That sucks. A lot of times it is not about what can't happen, but more so what can happen. Circumstances in life can be a bitch. But you already know that. What was the longest relationship you've ever had though, if you don't mind me asking here?

that's good, because a lot of people will listen to things other people will say, instead of getting to know and believing the actual person, who probably never did any of the things people accuse them for in the first place. people just like to spread rumors, and hate around and to tell lies about totally false things, and some people believe that- is what baffles me even more lol. Not you though and that's real good. Yeah, I never had any problems with her at all, just the situation was not in my favor lol. I am glad I got back in touch with her though. That sucks. A lot of times it is not about what can't happen, but more so what can happen. Circumstances in life can be a bitch. But you already know that. What was the longest relationship you've ever had though, if you don't mind me asking here?


Technically, I've never been in one. No one believes me when I say that.

Technically, I've never been in one. No one believes me when I say that.

I believe you, and I am not being mean when I say that. well if you go to college or work, their are a lot of women on campus and around where anybody would work, this day in America. or if you know neighbors, their might be a cute girl around where your live? Just searching possibilities for you lol, but trying to help.

I believe you, and I am not being mean when I say that. well if you go to college or work, their are a lot of women on campus and around where anybody would work, this day in America. or if you know neighbors, their might be a cute girl around where your live? Just searching possibilities for you lol, but trying to help.


:lol: I appreciate the help. Frankly, I'm a bit hesitant when it comes to those my age, especially the better looking ones. I would rather find an average looking girl and not have to worry about drama.

:lol: I appreciate the help. Frankly, I'm a bit hesitant when it comes to those my age, especially the better looking ones. I would rather find an average looking girl and not have to worry about drama.

all of the ones our age aren't like that darren lol

but i know what you mean

it was funny cause I usually date girls younger then me or around my age (it does not matter to me, that is usually just what ended up happening though), and this girl was 23/24, when I was 19.

like I said though, check around the neighborhood lol. i am sure you can handle the drama though, or whatever drama their may be lol.

all of the ones our age aren't like that darren lol

but i know what you mean

it was funny cause I usually date girls younger then me or around my age (it does not matter to me, that is usually just what ended up happening though), and this girl was 23/24, when I was 19.

like I said though, check around the neighborhood lol. i am sure you can handle the drama though, or whatever drama their may be lol.


Not all the ones our age, but too many. Drama is one of my pet peeves, perhaps even more than Asian drivers. ;)

I like to pay sometimes.... to show I can provide for mines lol ya dig Kyle??

Not all the ones our age, but too many. Drama is one of my pet peeves, perhaps even more than Asian drivers. ;)

:lol:

I forgot about that for a second lol. If I ever find a Mr. Chew on the road, I am directing him to you ;).

But you don't care if a girl looks sexy or not, even somewhat? I go for personality more so, so looks are a good thing lol.

I like to pay sometimes.... to show I can provide for mines lol ya dig Kyle??

lol what if you asked the guy out? do you just ditch him and laugh? ;)

i am just kidding hollywood lol. you do the right thing always, but I hope you would all the time if you asked him out, no?

But you don't care if a girl looks sexy or not, even somewhat? I go for personality more so, so looks are a good thing lol.


As long as she's at least average looking, it's fine. On a scale, I wouldn't mind a 6. If a 9 or 10 was interested, she better show she has the personality to back it up.

As long as she's at least average looking, it's fine. On a scale, I wouldn't mind a 6. If a 9 or 10 was interested, she better show she has the personality to back it up.

that's really good. cause a lot of guys are just like "as long as she has a nice ass, I don't care" which is messed up lol. Personality is everything and I agree w/ you their.

that's really good. cause a lot of guys are just like "as long as she has a nice ass, I don't care" which is messed up lol. Personality is everything and I agree w/ you their.


Most guys are shallow when it comes to looks. Many also womanize(my dad was like that). I stopped being friends with someone because he would justify cheating on his girlfriend and when riding in my car, would open the window and catcall.

Most guys are shallow when it comes to looks. Many also womanize(my dad was like that). I stopped being friends with someone because he would justify cheating on his girlfriend and when riding in my car, would open the window and catcall.

:lol: catcall lol. did he have hii'mimmatureandshallow written on his forehead?- lol.

Yeah it's ashame how much our country wants sex lol (and not even a good relationship either).

:lol: catcall lol. did he have hii'mimmatureandshallow written on his forehead?- lol.

Yeah it's ashame how much our country wants sex lol (and not even a good relationship either).


Most Americans are weak people. They care too much of what others think of them and listen to the media. I don't care what the media says. I consider myself to be better than the media. I decide what's best for me and what I will consider attractive.

What if one person assumes the other is paying, and so on and so on? Guess both of us are stuck washing dishes & rolling our sleeves up :lol:.
That would make for one interesting date!:lol: Probably an ONLY date, much less a first date!

That would make for one interesting date!:lol: Probably an ONLY date, much less a first date!

:lol: Very true Andrea. Good point! lol

Most Americans are weak people. They care too much of what others think of them and listen to the media. I don't care what the media says. I consider myself to be better than the media. I decide what's best for me and what I will consider attractive.

the media is biased, and disrespectful too. that's good. that's called having standards and you definitely have those, Darren. It's unbelievable what will come out of some people's mouths, as far as views and opinions of other people they know or met go.

the media is biased, and disrespectful too. that's good. that's called having standards and you definitely have those, Darren. It's unbelievable what will come out of some people's mouths, as far as views and opinions of other people they know or met go.


Our society is shallow. Perhaps my standards are high, but they're here to stay.

lol what if you asked the guy out? do you just ditch him and laugh? ;)

i am just kidding hollywood lol. you do the right thing always, but I hope you would all the time if you asked him out, no?

huh? naw, I mean I'll pay if I ask him out plus I'll pay periodically as well in in addition to that. :)

huh? naw, I mean I'll pay if I ask him out plus I'll pay periodically as well in in addition to that. :)


I'm curious as to whether other women would do the same. It seems as if they don't ask men out simply to avoid paying.

I'm curious as to whether other women would do the same. It seems as if they don't ask men out simply to avoid paying.

I like to pay sometimes. I think some females just don't wanna spend their own money.

huh? naw, I mean I'll pay if I ask him out plus I'll pay periodically as well in in addition to that. :)

Very classy :)

I'm curious as to whether other women would do the same. It seems as if they don't ask men out simply to avoid paying.

that's what I think as well, but I think Ramona is the exception.

Very classy :)

Thank you!

Thank you!

you know it bestie. how was your weekend?

that's what I think as well, but I think Ramona is the exception.


I'm sure Ramona isn't the only one, but I wonder how common it is.

you know it bestie. how was your weekend?

It was alright. Had a crazy night on friday, then just chilled yesterday and went to work today. How was yours?

darren, their aren't any girls your friends are friends with, that they hang out with, that they couldn't introduce you to? I mean if you're looking lol.

I'm sure Ramona isn't the only one, but I wonder how common it is.

i agree, i was just complimenting her lol. i think that is probably the single biggest reason women don't ask guys out. that and maybe nervousness/fear of neglect/failure, that he won't say yes, etc.

darren, their aren't any girls your friends are friends with, that they hang out with, that they couldn't introduce you to? I mean if you're looking lol.


The one girl I was friends with, we don't speak anymore. I generally hang out in bowling alleys with older people.

It was alright. Had a crazy night on friday, then just chilled yesterday and went to work today. How was yours?

a crazy good friday night right, not a bad, as in it was a hectic, crazy friday night, was it? lol. mine was ok. sort of a weird weekend. trying to stay positive with everything going on right now. trying to do better in school as well.

The one girl I was friends with, we don't speak anymore. I generally hang out in bowling alleys with older people.

Oh ok. Well I mean if you wanted a relationship and it was the right fit/right girl, you never know- she could be right their in your neighborhood lol. I am egging you on but still. High standards is by no means a bad thing, it is more a respectful way to view relationships and how you stand on what you look for.

i agree, i was just complimenting her lol. i think that is probably the single biggest reason women don't ask guys out. that and maybe nervousness/fear of neglect/failure, that he won't say yes, etc.


Guys go through the same thing. Fear of rejection applies to both genders. Simply expecting the other gender to make a move goes back to the reverse sexism I was mentioning earlier.

Guys go through the same thing. Fear of rejection applies to both genders. Simply expecting the other gender to make a move goes back to the reverse sexism I was mentioning earlier.

yeah. well then do you think it's just not wanting to pay? lol. cause i don't think that is the one and only reason, and can't be explained like that, but I do agree w/ you and what you're saying as far as the reverse sexism goes.

a crazy good friday night right, not a bad, as in it was a hectic, crazy friday night, was it? lol. mine was ok. sort of a weird weekend. trying to stay positive with everything going on right now. trying to do better in school as well.


That's good. How's your grandfather doing? and it's good you're trying in school. I'm sure you know this, but an education is the best thing anyone can finish- it will always serve you well. My friday was a lil crazy, but it turned out to be all good. My friend and I got pulled over for speeding.... and got off with our records clean... it was seriously a miracle. So, my night before that was really fun, and so was the rest of my night after that.

That's good. How's your grandfather doing? and it's good you're trying in school. I'm sure you know this, but an education is the best thing anyone can finish- it will always serve you well. My friday was a lil crazy, but it turned out to be all good. My friend and I got pulled over for speeding.... and got off with our records clean... it was seriously a miracle. So, my night before that was really fun, and so was the rest of my night after that.

He's doing well. Thank You :). Yeah but their are just problems at my house, and it's me being an underachiever in school this year, so things are going rotten lol, it's a long story though. Wow that's crazy. I'm glad nothing bad happened, and your record is still clean :). I'm glad you had fun on Friday night too. Friday nights are awesome.

yeah. well then do you think it's just not wanting to pay? lol. cause i don't think that is the one and only reason, and can't be explained like that, but I do agree w/ you and what you're saying as far as the reverse sexism goes.


Not the sole reason, but it ranks up there. No wonder dating is so complicated. :lol:

Not the sole reason, but it ranks up there. No wonder dating is so complicated. :lol:


lol that's why you can't think about what can go wrong, you gotta just start dating and finding the woman for you.

it's like sports, if you think about it, everything will go terribly wrong lol. sort of lol. but you get my drift haha.

lol that's why you can't think about what can go wrong, you gotta just start dating and finding the woman for you.

it's like sports, if you think about it, everything will go terribly wrong lol. sort of lol. but you get my drift haha.


Easier said than done. I don't know many people my age and I don't go to bars/clubs.

Easier said than done. I don't know many people my age and I don't go to bars/clubs.
Ditto here.

Easier said than done. I don't know many people my age and I don't go to bars/clubs.

I don't know what else to tell you then lol. I guess "Good Luck" lol ;).

This thread has turned into the Darren and Wreckless show. :lol: :D

This thread has turned into the Darren and Wreckless show. :lol: :D


With Monika as our special guest. :D

I don't know what else to tell you then lol. I guess "Good Luck" lol ;).


Ummm, thanks. :lol:

With Monika as our special guest. :D
Oh, I get special billing?? :D

This thread has turned into the Darren and Wreckless show. :lol: :D

With Monika and Ramona as side reporters lol

I haven't read this entire thread but I say....................

Let him pay.