I just started the New DVD Show, now I get to start this. Wooo!

IMO, this was superior to TLS (until Desi Jr. left), but neither one beat ILL.

Originally posted by dawsongirl:
I just started the New DVD Show, now I get to start this. Wooo!

IMO, this was superior to TLS (until Desi Jr. left), but neither one beat ILL.

I agree to a point. I think HL was better than the last three seasons of TLS, but not the first three with Vivian Vance. After Vivian Vance left TLS, and the format was revamped, removing Lucy's kids and moving her and Mr. Mooney from Danfield to Los Angeles, that show really went downhill. Without Viv and her kids, there didn't seem to be much point to Lucy Carmichael. But on HL, the "new" Lucy, with her kids Kim and Craig, had more dimension. There seemed to be more of a purpose to many of the things she got involved with, so the plots worked better. I agree, though, that the quality fo the show slipped after Desi Jr. left (the show sort of reverted back to what TLS had become in its last three seasons (though there were a few good scripts during those later years, namely those written by ILL writers Bob Carroll, Jr. and Madelyn Davis).

Between these two series, the best episodes BY FAR are those first 30 black and white episodes of TLS. They are all classics! And it's no wonder: not only do you have Lucy and Viv, but there are other wonderful ILL elements present: namely Desi Arnaz (producer) and Bob Carroll, Jr., Madelyn Pugh Martin, Bob Schiller, and Bob Weiskopf (writers). The show began to slide after the first season (Desi was gone from TLS by the second season), slipped some more after the second season (Bob Carroll, Jr. and Madelyn were gone as writers), and then fell to rock bottom in the fourth season (Viv and Schiller and Weiskopf were gone from the shwo).

I just found this board, dawsongirl. Much smaller than the ILL board.

I liked this show, too. I liked the presence of her real children on the show. It made it more family-like.

I wondered if you'd ever get here http://www.sitcomsonline.com/ubb/wink.gif

Too bad Desi Sr. couldn't have made a guest appearance. Now there's TV history!

BTW, Desi left as producer of TLS after like the 8th episode.

BTW, Desi left as producer of TLS after like the 8th episode.[/B]

But his name is in the credits as Executive Producer until about the 14th or 15th episode.

What an outstanding thought! Desi, Sr. on Here's Lucy! Now that would be history!

The four of them were together only once: the last episode of ILL. http://www.sitcomsonline.com/ubb/smile.gif

I've always read that Lucie and Desi, Jr. were on the last episode of ILL. But "The Lucy Book" says in its synopsis, "Desi Arnaz Jr. is featured in the last scene, standing in front of Vivian Vance. The girl with him is not Lucie Arnaz, as has been reported elsewhere."

With all the conflicting reference books, its tough what to believe.

Originally posted by TV Guy:
I've always read that Lucie and Desi, Jr. were on the last episode of ILL. But "The Lucy Book" says in its synopsis, "Desi Arnaz Jr. is featured in the last scene, standing in front of Vivian Vance. The girl with him is not Lucie Arnaz, as has been reported elsewhere."

With all the conflicting reference books, its tough what to believe.

Originally posted by TV Guy:
I've always read that Lucie and Desi, Jr. were on the last episode of ILL. But "The Lucy Book" says in its synopsis, "Desi Arnaz Jr. is featured in the last scene, standing in front of Vivian Vance. The girl with him is not Lucie Arnaz, as has been reported elsewhere."

With all the conflicting reference books, its tough what to believe.

Lucie Arnaz herself has said this is not her (I heard her say so myself when she came to town a few years ago for a talk). If you look at the girl who supposedly is Lucie Arnaz, you can see that it can't possibly be her. Keep in mind Lucie Arnaz at that time was only 5 years old. That girl is way too tall to be a 5-year-old. Besides, she doesn't look at all like Lucie in the face.

Originally posted by Terry Ross:
What an outstanding thought! Desi, Sr. on Here's Lucy! Now that would be history!

The four of them were together only once: the last episode of ILL. http://www.sitcomsonline.com/ubb/smile.gif

Just to clarify, I suppose what you meant to say was that they were all last together on the final Lucy-Desi hour (i.e., "The Westinghouse Lucille Ball-Desi Arnaz Show" aka "The Lucy-Desi Comedy Hour")?

Just to clarify, Lucie Arnaz was definitely not in the last episode of the half hour I Love Lucy format. I've heard her say this many times, and you can read an explanation of the confusion on The Lucie Arnaz Homepage -- www.LucieArnaz.com (http://www.LucieArnaz.com) , under the Ask Lucie section (one of the earlier sets...). Hope this helps.