Lately, someone I knew died by suicide.

This person was a Christian and some may say "He's in Hell" because of this.

Is this true or a myth?

I guess it depends on who you ask. I'm a Christian and I think it is a myth. Infact, I think hell itself is a myth. I don't believe in the devil. I can't believe in an entity that is pure 100% evil.

I guess it depends on who you ask. I'm a Christian and I think it is a myth. Infact, I think hell itself is a myth. I don't believe in the devil. I can't believe in an entity that is pure 100% evil.
I feel the same way. I think it's just silly.

I am a Christian and I believe in hell, but I am not so sure that if one commites suicide they go to hell. I have never found anything in the bible that says that.

I think it depends on the mental state of a person who commits suicide. Many people are too sick to know any better in their actions. I don't think God would punish a person for that. There are people who commit suicide to avoid responsibility for things they did or certain situations they got themselves into. I kind of think those are very selfish suicides.

if so, god's quite the douche, lol. he's the saint who created the chemical imbalance in the brain that blinds a person's judgment while under emotional distress (i'm referring to clinical depression). it isn't about "oh life sucks, i'm too impatient for things to get better" it's about "there's no more room for anything other than pain," which is why i tried killing myself three times as a christian. no one, and i mean NO ONE has the right to condemn anyone who commits suicide because of emotional distress, including "god", if he exists. i was suicidal for a few months when i was eight years old because my best friend died. to think that i'd still be frying in a lake of fire if i'd decided to go through with my running-through-traffic-to-die-the-same-way-she-did plan. absolutely ridiculous. if i was "too young", when are people "too old" to make their own decisions? poor megan meier. with the exception of a few (such as those that browneyes mentioned), suicidal people are victims, not perpetrators.

I guess it depends on who you ask. I'm a Christian and I think it is a myth. Infact, I think hell itself is a myth. I don't believe in the devil. I can't believe in an entity that is pure 100% evil.

Then as a Christian, what exactly did Jesus save you from? Or did he save you from anything? Or do you believe that He doesn't exist either?

First off, I just want to say how TRULY sorry I am to hear about your friend. :( I've always looked at suicide as one of the saddest forms of death, because to think of someone being that scared and alone just makes me so damn helpless. I obviously don't know where your friend is, but my hope is that he is with God and His Angels as we speak.

As browneyes106 said, I also believe it depends on the person's mental state as to where they go after committing this act. Some say that you'd have to be mentally insane to kill yourself, but I disagree. I've heard of many cases of people committing suicide who had no history of any kind of serious mental illnness. I told the story before about the time I tried committing suicide, and I honestly don't think I'd have been banished to hell for the act, because at the time I wasn't of a sound mind. I might have went to hell for other things, like my lifestyle, but it wouldn't have been because I killed myself, because God has mercy, and I don't believe He'd send someone to hell if they had little to no control over their mind. It's a touchy subject, and is rarely mentioned in the Bible, infact I don't recall the Bible saying anything about where a person goes after committing this act. I do know that it says do not kill though, and I believe that would include yourself.

I am a christian and I believe it depends on your relationship with god and if he has choosen you to be one of the saved. I found this on the web and it is similar to what I said just in more detail.


As for committing suicide, if you are a saved individual, then this will not get you sent to Hell. There will be a penalty at your judgement, but Jesus will not turn His back on you if you are truly His child.

John 5:24 Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that heareth my word, and believeth on him that sent me, hath everlasting life, and shall not come into condemnation; but is passed from death unto life.

If you are not a child of God and commit suicide, then the same fate awaits you that awaited you if you lived 100 years.Without accepting God's wonderful free gift, you will go to Hell. There is no question about it, and no doubt that it will happen. The thing you need to do is accept that gift now, and get covered by His Holy blood. That is the only way to change your destination.

John 3:18 He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.

Romans 5:18 Therefore as by the offence of one judgment came upon all men to condemnation; even so by the righteousness of one the free gift came upon all men unto justification of life.

Romans 6:23 For the wages of sin is death; but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.

1 John 1:9 If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.

As for the verses in Ezekiel 18, I would point to this, John 10:28-29 And I give unto them eternal life; and they shall never perish, neither shall any man pluck them out of my hand. My Father, which gave them me, is greater than all; and no man is able to pluck them out of my Father's hand.

No man includes yourself, and I do believe you will lose rewards (crowns to give back to Jesus) for what you have done, but not be damned.

As for verses in Ezekiel 33 and 18, these verses are talking about those who would live by the Law.We are no longer justified by works and the law, but by Grace through Faith.Through belief in Jesus and His Gospel we are given forgiveness for what we do, and ALL sins can be forgiven if you have Faith in Him. Believe that He will forgive you as He promises to.

As for James 2,These verses define the Faith which saves. Faith that does not produce good works is not saving Faith. The devil knows God exists, or has faith, but does nothing good, therefore his fate is sealed. The same could be said of the Pharasee in Luke 18. The Pharasee was praying for the praise of men, the publican for forgiveness. The Pharasee did not have Saving Faith, he wanted men to be impressed with his piety, where the publican asked God for mercy as a sinner. The Pharasee counted himself righteous, and the publican asked God to make him righteous.The publican did a good work as in saying the proper prayer in truth and humility, and showed Saving Faith. The Pharasee did not. In Jas 2:25 Rahab the harlot is said to be justified. Obviously a sinner, a harlot who told a lie to protect God's people. Consider the following which is cut and pasted from William Burkitt's commentary,

Learn hence, that the duties and services of believers, though blemished with many defects, do find acceptance with God, and shall not fail to be rewarded by him. Rahab's faith was seen in receiving the spies, her weakness and infirmity appeared in her lying; God pitied and pardoned the one, and accepted and rewarded the other.

James 2:10 For whosoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in one point, he is guilty of all.

Suicide is no worse in God's eyes than any other sin, they are all sins and all worthy of death. God's Grace and your Saving Faith can get you forgiven for your error, but there will be a price for what you did. What that price is I cannot say, but I don't think that God will destroy you if you are truly His child. Possibly you could be a servant in Heaven and wash the feet of the Saints for all eternity, but better that than burning with unquenchable fire forever, but that is just a guess. That is why it is so important to evangelize, and get as many as possible into God's family. That is their only chance at life eternal. Out of sincere concern for souls and honest interest in spreading the Gospel, and Glorifying God, we do great works and prove our Saving Faith.

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JoPol I can buy that.

I think it depends on the mental state of a person who commits suicide. Many people are too sick to know any better in their actions. I don't think God would punish a person for that. There are people who commit suicide to avoid responsibility for things they did or certain situations they got themselves into. I kind of think those are very selfish suicides.
I agree with that 100%. Some people just have such severe depression and/or anxiety that they are not in their right mind and don't know what they are doing. I don't want to believe that a Christian in that state of mind would be sent to hell. I hope not.

Then as a Christian, what exactly did Jesus save you from? Or did he save you from anything? Or do you believe that He doesn't exist either?

I believe Jesus exists with all my heart. I believe Jesus saved me from my sins. However, I do not look upon suicide as a sin.

^ Adrianne, that is a great post.

I believe Jesus exists with all my heart. I believe Jesus saved me from my sins. However, I do not look upon suicide as a sin.

But what exactly did He save you from?

if so, god's quite the douche, lol. he's the saint who created the chemical imbalance in the brain that blinds a person's judgment while under emotional distress (i'm referring to clinical depression). it isn't about "oh life sucks, i'm too impatient for things to get better" it's about "there's no more room for anything other than pain," which is why i tried killing myself three times as a christian. no one, and i mean NO ONE has the right to condemn anyone who commits suicide because of emotional distress, including "god", if he exists. i was suicidal for a few months when i was eight years old because my best friend died. to think that i'd still be frying in a lake of fire if i'd decided to go through with my running-through-traffic-to-die-the-same-way-she-did plan. absolutely ridiculous. if i was "too young", when are people "too old" to make their own decisions? poor megan meier. with the exception of a few (such as those that browneyes mentioned), suicidal people are victims, not perpetrators.
That is how I feel about the sitution exactly. Very well said.

I am sorry to hear about both your friends. I don't think suicide is a sin. I was reading a magazine article once that was written by a man whose nephew had committed suicide. He for the life of him could not understand how his nephew could have done this, and was even a bit angered. He talked to his own son about it, who was very close to the nephew who was his cousin. This young kid said to his father, who didn't understand, that his cousin died of a disease...he died of depression. That article has stuck with me ever since I read it because it makes so much sense. People who commit suicide are usually very sick people with clouded judgement. They're guilty of nothing but being sick.

I don't believe anyone can ever say with confidence that doing this or doing that will definitely get you sent to "Hell." I am religious and all, but to me, people who say that sound all kinds of crazy.

I believe Jesus exists with all my heart. I believe Jesus saved me from my sins. However, I do not look upon suicide as a sin.

Hey Mike, you know I respect your opinions, and please don't take this the wrong way, but I'm confused about something. You said that you believe in Jesus, and that He died for our sins, but you also said that you don't believe in Hell. So I guess my question is, how can you believe part of what Jesus is saying, and not the rest?? Jesus himself talks about Hell all throughout the New Testament, and how very real it is. Jesus even visited hell. Jesus even says in the NT that broad is the way which leads to hell, and there are many who enter. I just have never really understood people who pick and choose what they want to believe, and I often wonder how they came to the conclusion that this part of the Bible is correct, while this part is incorrect. I just don't get it. You'd have to be a psychic to be able to know that. My belief, and the general Christian belief is that all of the Bible is correct, and that you can't pick and choose what you want to, and what you want not to believe. Personally I wish the Bible didn't say that it was a sin to lust in my heart, since it's a sin I sadly committ often, even daily. I can't go saying that verse is incorrect though just because it makes me uncomfortable. The fact is, I believe all of the Bible is the true and living word of God just as it claims to be, including the stuff that I partake in that I shouldn't. I can tell myself that He doesn't look at lust as a sin all I want, but my heart knows the truth, and knows that God doesn't lie. Anyway, sorry if anything I said offended you, I just don't understand how a person can come to the conclusion that part of what Jesus says is true, and I wonder what their logic is in deciding which parts they believe, and which parts they don't believe. You know what I mean? I've never for the life of me understood that. There may be someone who believes the opposite of you, that there is a hell, but that Jesus never came to save us from our sins. Why should I believe what you believe, and not that other person who believes the exact opposite? You say that Jesus came to die on the cross for us, so I guess in essence what I'm trying to understand in this whole mess I've written is if He didn't die to save us from eternal damnation, then what exactly do you believe He came to save us from??

if so, god's quite the douche, lol. he's the saint who created the chemical imbalance in the brain that blinds a person's judgment while under emotional distress (i'm referring to clinical depression). it isn't about "oh life sucks, i'm too impatient for things to get better" it's about "there's no more room for anything other than pain," which is why i tried killing myself three times as a christian. no one, and i mean NO ONE has the right to condemn anyone who commits suicide because of emotional distress, including "god", if he exists. i was suicidal for a few months when i was eight years old because my best friend died. to think that i'd still be frying in a lake of fire if i'd decided to go through with my running-through-traffic-to-die-the-same-way-she-did plan. absolutely ridiculous. if i was "too young", when are people "too old" to make their own decisions? poor megan meier. with the exception of a few (such as those that browneyes mentioned), suicidal people are victims, not perpetrators.
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I don't believe anyone can ever say with confidence that doing this or doing that will definitely get you sent to "Hell." I am religious and all, but to me, people who say that sound all kinds of crazy.

Well I don't know what everyone elses feelings on the matter is, but frankly I just believe in what the Bible has to say about it. I know not everyone believes the Bible, and I respect that, but that is quite simply what I put all my Faith in, and it's the only thing that's consistentely worked in bringing any kind of peace to my life.

Hey Mike, you know I respect your opinions, and please don't take this the wrong way, but I'm confused about something. You said that you believe in Jesus, and that He died for our sins, but you also said that you don't believe in Hell. So I guess my question is, how can you believe part of what Jesus is saying, and not the rest?? Jesus himself talks about Hell all throughout the New Testament, and how very real it is. Jesus even visited hell. Jesus even says in the NT that broad is the way which leads to hell, and there are many who enter. I just have never really understood people who pick and choose what they want to believe, and I often wonder how they came to the conclusion that this part of the Bible is correct, while this part is incorrect. I just don't get it. You'd have to be a psychic to be able to know that. My belief, and the general Christian belief is that all of the Bible is correct, and that you can't pick and choose what you want to, and what you want not to believe. Personally I wish the Bible didn't say that it was a sin to lust in my heart, since it's a sin I sadly committ often, even daily. I can't go saying that verse is incorrect though just because it makes me uncomfortable. The fact is, I believe all of the Bible is the true and living word of God just as it claims to be, including the stuff that I partake in that I shouldn't. I can tell myself that He doesn't look at lust as a sin all I want, but my heart knows the truth, and knows that God doesn't lie. Anyway, sorry if anything I said offended you, I just don't understand how a person can come to the conclusion that part of what Jesus says is true, and I wonder what their logic is in deciding which parts they believe, and which parts they don't believe. You know what I mean? I've never for the life of me understood that. There may be someone who believes the opposite of you, that there is a hell, but that Jesus never came to save us from our sins. Why should I believe what you believe, and not that other person who believes the exact opposite? You say that Jesus came to die on the cross for us, so I guess in essence what I'm trying to understand in this whole mess I've written is if He didn't die to save us from eternal damnation, then what exactly do you believe He came to save us from??
I can't speak for Mike, but I personally don't stick to a particular religion and in turn, don't trust everything the Bible says. Yes, I was raised Catholic, but title is as far as it goes for me. I don't see it as picking and choosing from the Bible but only because I don't trust the Bible. I don't take it seriously. I see them as a set of stories that guide us, but many of them aren't to be taken literally. I think the Bible has been passed down for so many centuries, first during a period where there was no printing press and people had to write the Bible out by hand. I don't doubt for a second the Bible was catered to what some people personally believed, and to this day its words are twisted to cater to what people believe. Whether you take it literally or not, it can still be interpreted in so many ways. Anyway, that's why I go with my gut with what I believe. God has other ways to guide us besides books. But that's what I personally believe and I know we all see things different, so I hope I in turn didn't offend anyone else. That's just how I see it.

I see them as a set of stories that guide us, but many of them aren't to be taken literally. I think the Bible has been passed down for so many centuries, first during a period where there was no printing press and people had to write the Bible out by hand. I don't doubt for a second the Bible was catered to what some people personally believed. Anyway, that's why I go with my gut with what I believe. God has other ways to guide us besides books. But that's what I personally believe and I know we all see things different, so I hope I in turn didn't offend anyone else. That's just how I see it.

That's exactly how I feel. I see it as stories used to teach lessons. I don't see how anyone could possibly know exactly who wrote this or who wrote that.

That is how I feel about the sitution exactly. Very well said.

I am sorry to hear about both your friends. I don't think suicide is a sin. I was reading a magazine article once that was written by a man whose nephew had committed suicide. He for the life of him could not understand how his nephew could have done this, and was even a bit angered. He talked to his own son about it, who was very close to the nephew who was his cousin. This young kid said to his father, who didn't understand, that his cousin died of a disease...he died of depression. That article has stuck with me ever since I read it because it makes so much sense. People who commit suicide are usually very sick people with clouded judgement. They're guilty of nothing but being sick.

Well there we go...if people don't go to hell for having died of cancer or pneumonia, then people with depression who commit suicide don't go to hell either. Trust me, it's not like anyone gives themselves clinical depression just as no one gives themselves lupus.

I can't speak for Mike, but I personally don't stick to a particular religion and in turn, don't trust everything the Bible says. Yes, I was raised Catholic, but title is as far as it goes for me. I don't see it as picking and choosing from the Bible but only because I don't trust the Bible. I don't take it seriously. I see them as a set of stories that guide us, but many of them aren't to be taken literally. I think the Bible has been passed down for so many centuries, first during a period where there was no printing press and people had to write the Bible out by hand. I don't doubt for a second the Bible was catered to what some people personally believed, and to this day its words are twisted to cater to what people believe. Whether you take it literally or not, it can still be interpreted in so many ways. Anyway, that's why I go with my gut with what I believe. God has other ways to guide us besides books. But that's what I personally believe and I know we all see things different, so I hope I in turn didn't offend anyone else. That's just how I see it.

I take absolutely no offense, and I totally respect your right to believe in which ever way you choose. Of course it's only natural that I'd wish you'd believe my way, lol, but seriously I respect everything you just said. I don't want to get too off topic here, but I do want to say that the Bible is what changed my life. It's what helped to give me the courage to say the words I love you to my mom after 10 years of being unable to say it. It's what gave me an out of body type comforting during many crises' in my life, and it's what has made me the man I've become today. Sure, that man may not be much by the worlds standards, but it's made me far greater of a person than I would have otherwise been. I never shove my Religion down people's throats, all I can do is tell them of my experiences, and pray that maybe it touches them just a little. Afterall, that's the way it happened for me. I use to believe the same way as many of you, but it was through people's constant prayers that made me more sure that God's way was the right way for me than any other. I wish everyone the best on whichever path they decide to choose, this just so happens to be the way I choose to go.

I take absolutely no offense, and I totally respect your right to believe in which ever way you choose. Of course it's only natural that I'd wish you'd believe my way, lol, but seriously I respect everything you just said. I don't want to get too off topic here, but I do want to say that the Bible is what changed my life. It's what helped to give me the courage to say the words I love you to my mom after 10 years of being unable to say it. It's what gave me an out of body type comforting during many crises' in my life, and it's what has made me the man I've become today. Sure, that man may not be much by the worlds standards, but it's made me far greater of a person than I would have otherwise been. I never shove my Religion down people's throats, all I can do is tell them of my experiences, and pray that maybe it touches them just a little. Afterall, that's the way it happened for me. I use to believe the same way as many of you, but it was through people's constant prayers that made me more sure that God's way was the right way for me than any other. I wish everyone the best on whichever path they decide to choose, this just so happens to be the way I choose to go.lol and of course I wish people could believe my way, but that's human. I think it's great that you found something that has improved your life and am very happy for you. I do think that different things work for different people which is why we all see the world and whatever lies beyond it a little differently. Sometimes I think there is no right answer to any of it and in the end our beliefs all come together somehow, if that makes any sense. But while we are here on this earth, we do what works for ourselves, I suppose. And I wish for the best for you and everyone else, too.

I remember about twenty years ago, a radio Bible teacher and scholar by the name of Dr. Walter Martin had a caller on his show ask what happened if a person committed suicide. He explained that he thought that suicide was a sign of mental illness, because the basic human instinct is that of self-preservation. So it wouldn't seem like God would get down on a person for doing such a desperate act.

Suicide is a terrible, tragic act. I think God sees the pain and turmoil that a person goes through, and feels that. People feel hopeless and want to give up. Some people feel pushed over the edge. I believe that a Christian who makes that decision (and I've heard some sad stories) doesn't go to hell. God
is not happy in the least, but he does offer comfort. I think he takes them in to his kingdom, he knows what's in their hearts.

I guess it depends on who you ask. I'm a Christian and I think it is a myth. Infact, I think hell itself is a myth. I don't believe in the devil. I can't believe in an entity that is pure 100% evil.
i've kind of questioned hell myself...i mean, i cant say 100% for sure THERE'S NO HELL and i dont believe everyone gets into heaven (though i think if you have a strong relationship with God, have lived a decent life and are truly sorry for all of your sins, you'll get there no sweat), but im not sure theres like, a fiery pit of doom you get thrown in either.

I can really relate to this thread because I've thought about this often. My dad committed suicide in 1992 and for those who have never gone through this ( and I wouldn't wish it on ANYONE; even my worst enemy), it's the most horrible thing ever and no matter how much you try to put it behind you, it never goes away. For the rest of my life, I will be angry with him and wonder why he did what he did. Sometimes I'm convinced that he must have really hated my brother and I as well as the rest of our family to do something so tragic.

At first I wondered if he was in Hell, but then when my grandmother died, she was such a Christian, that I firmly believe that there is no way she would accept such a fate for her only son.

I think he's in Heaven, but sometimes I worry that when I get to Heaven that he won't be there. It's kind of like that Robin Williams movie "What Dreams May Come" where the wife kills herself after her husband and kids are killed and they have to rescue her from Hell.

I still shudder thinking about suicide, and sometimes I've even contemplated it myself. However, all I have to do is think about what my dad put us through and how selfish it was. I couldn't do that to my husband, friends and family.

Several months ago, a woman killed herself in the parking garage (in broad daylight) at our local mall. My husband and I were eating at a restaurant across the street and the whole area was blocked off. We didn't know what happened, and the stories ranged from a pedestrian getting killed to all sorts of stuff. When I found out that the woman had committed suicide, it bothered me for days and I had nightmares afterwards. To this day, I refuse to even drive in that parking garage. I would rather park further away from the store and park in another parking garage. Sadly, that story will haunt me forever.

I don't tell very many people about what happened to my dad. I don't know why. It's like I'm embarrassed to say anything. I always tense up and feel weird saying "My dad killed himself". The scary thing is that my dad was 6 years older than me (My husband's age) when it happened, and soon I'll be "older" than my dad.

Andrea

PS:For those of you who have dealt with suicide, there are no words to say how sorry I am, really.

I agree with what Jopol had written on the previous page. My real Mom committed suicide when I was over a year old, she was a devout Christian and yet she killed herself. The reason being that she had severe epilepsy and was tired of being sick, the meds would make her tired all the time and it was said that I wasn't really taken care of as I should have been. I asked my Pastor about this and he said that it does not say anywhere in the Bible that if you kill yourself you will go to hell, it's not biblical. He too believes if a person committs suicide they're not in their right minds.

If I were to truly believe in a "good and forgiving" God, then I would say NO WAY. God is supposed to know our thoughts and feelings and for anyone who's suffered from depression, then they know that this is sickness and God would understand them wanting to be out of their pain. Some terminally ill patients also take their own lives ahead rather than putting their families through more pain, and not so much their own depression.
If that were the case, then God would be against all vets and animal lovers who need to put their pets down.

I would like to think that no matter what the reason for dying, God is going to welcome everyone with open arms. And who are we to say that for whatever reason, maybe God needed that person and is the one who forced their hand to suicide. Maybe he needed them even more than we did.

My condolences on your loss. :(

If I were to truly believe in a "good and forgiving" God, then I would say NO WAY. God is supposed to know our thoughts and feelings and for anyone who's suffered from depression, then they know that this is sickness and God would understand them wanting to be out of their pain. Some terminally ill patients also take their own lives ahead rather than putting their families through more pain, and not so much their own depression.
If that were the case, then God would be against all vets and animal lovers who need to put their pets down.

I would like to think that no matter what the reason for dying, God is going to welcome everyone with open arms. And who are we to say that for whatever reason, maybe God needed that person and is the one who forced their hand to suicide. Maybe he needed them even more than we did.

My condolences on your loss. :(

Perfectly said, Cathie. I really have nothing to add to that.
I am very, very sorry to hear about the losses in people's families. My heart goes out to all those who have lost a loved one to suicide, and also to all those who have contemplated it themselves. :( :hug:

I can't say. It doesn't say in the Bible. And God is compassionate toward all people (even those who don't have Him in their lives)
I've heard both sides:
one person I know said God forgives every sin except suicide because you can't take it back.
A while back, my ex-preacher's brother killed himself. Being in a small town, news traveled fast. He said one Sunday morning very shortly after, he believed his brother was in Heaven.
What I do know is, people who commit this act were probably judged while on earth and don't need to be judged after they leave. Let the judging be up to Him.

PS: I do believe in Hell.

This was an answer given by a very famous evangelist when asked about suicide victims:

Q: Are suicide victims forgiven?

A: "The American judicial system presums that a person who commits suicide is insane. in many instances, this is undoubtedly true. If someone does not know right from wrong, and does not realize what he is doing, he cannot deliberately sin and thus be held accountable for his actions. He therefore has no guilt for what he has done.
However, some people know precisely what they are doing when they take their own lives. They are not crazy. They calmly decide that they are going to take matters into their own hands, and in so doing, they kill a life that belongs to God.
The Bible is not clear about what happens to a suicide victim in relation to eternal salvation, but we do know that unless the person is insane, suicide is a sin. It is an unconfessed, unforgiven sin at the moment it takes place. A suicidal person is taking an extreme risk in gambling with eternal destiny merely to get out of a difficult situation on Earth.
There is absolutely no guarantee that I can give a person who is determined to commit suicide, or to someone who has lost a loved one through suicide, that a suicide victim would go to be with Jesus forever. We know that God's mercies are very great, but I would hesitate to presume upon them."

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Basically, we can not possibly know where any particular suicide victim would end up. It's obvious that there are times in which God would hold them accountable, other times He would not.

I can probably name a situation in which people clearly chose to commit "suicide", but which I seriously doubt that God would judge them as simply deciding to take the life that God gave them.

When the World Trade Center buildings were attacked on 9/11, many people in the upper floors had a horrible decision to make... whether to be consumed by the flames created by the plane crashes, or whether to jump several dozen stories to certain death. As a most of you know, several people chose to jump rather than be burned up.

While some people might say that those who jumped committed "suicide", I would very much doubt that God would treat them the same way as he would treat someone who calmly decided to do away with themselves with pills or a gun in the privacy and comfort of their own living room. Those people in the WTC died simply because they went to work that day. God would no doubt judge them based on their relationship with Christ, and not over the fact that they "chose" to take their own lives (when they really had no choice).

What it comes down to is, the Bible is silent on what happens to suicide victims, so all we can know is that God will be just and fair, just as he is with everything else.

This was an answer given by a very famous evangelist when asked about suicide victims:

Q: Are suicide victims forgiven?

A: "The American judicial system presums that a person who commits suicide is insane. in many instances, this is undoubtedly true. If someone does not know right from wrong, and does not realize what he is doing, he cannot deliberately sin and thus be held accountable for his actions. He therefore has no guilt for what he has done.
However, some people know precisely what they are doing when they take their own lives. They are not crazy. They calmly decide that they are going to take matters into their own hands, and in so doing, they kill a life that belongs to God.
The Bible is not clear about what happens to a suicide victim in relation to eternal salvation, but we do know that unless the person is insane, suicide is a sin. It is an unconfessed, unforgiven sin at the moment it takes place. A suicidal person is taking an extreme risk in gambling with eternal destiny merely to get out of a difficult situation on Earth.
There is absolutely no guarantee that I can give a person who is determined to commit suicide, or to someone who has lost a loved one through suicide, that a suicide victim would go to be with Jesus forever. We know that God's mercies are very great, but I would hesitate to presume upon them."

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Basically, we can not possibly know where any particular suicide victim would end up. It's obvious that there are times in which God would hold them accountable, other times He would not.

I can probably name a situation in which people clearly chose to commit "suicide", but which I seriously doubt that God would judge them as simply deciding to take the life that God gave them.

When the World Trade Center buildings were attacked on 9/11, many people in the upper floors had a horrible decision to make... whether to be consumed by the flames created by the plane crashes, or whether to jump several dozen stories to certain death. As a most of you know, several people chose to jump rather than be burned up.

While some people might say that those who jumped committed "suicide", I would very much doubt that God would treat them the same way as he would treat someone who calmly decided to do away with themselves with pills or a gun in the privacy and comfort of their own living room. Those people in the WTC died simply because they went to work that day. God would no doubt judge them based on their relationship with Christ, and not over the fact that they "chose" to take their own lives (when they really had no choice).

What it comes down to is, the Bible is silent on what happens to suicide victims, so all we can know is that God will be just and fair, just as he is with everything else.

I agree with this post. I do think there are people who aren't insane who calmly take their lives, and honestly I don't know what happens to them since the Bible is so unclear on the subject. The Bible does warn us not to kill though, and I believe that statement also refers to killing yourself. It doesn't say don't kill another person, it just says do not kill. Once again though, I fully believe that there are many people who kill themselves who are blameless in God's eyes. Like I mentioned before, if someone with little control over their mind committs this act, I believe they will be judged based on the prior life they lived, but I do not believe they will go to hell for committing suicide. God is so merciful, and He would never send a person in that condition to hell in my view.

Well I don't know what everyone elses feelings on the matter is, but frankly I just believe in what the Bible has to say about it. I know not everyone believes the Bible, and I respect that, but that is quite simply what I put all my Faith in, and it's the only thing that's consistentely worked in bringing any kind of peace to my life.:clap:

If I were to truly believe in a "good and forgiving" God, then I would say NO WAY. God is supposed to know our thoughts and feelings and for anyone who's suffered from depression, then they know that this is sickness and God would understand them wanting to be out of their pain. Some terminally ill patients also take their own lives ahead rather than putting their families through more pain, and not so much their own depression.
If that were the case, then God would be against all vets and animal lovers who need to put their pets down.

I would like to think that no matter what the reason for dying, God is going to welcome everyone with open arms. And who are we to say that for whatever reason, maybe God needed that person and is the one who forced their hand to suicide. Maybe he needed them even more than we did.

My condolences on your loss. :(
i agree 100%.