This is a controversial topic, but this came in during a question somebody asked a musician...Anyways, say you moved to a new home and somehow (however you want to think it) you find out you live next to a murderer...a repeated murderer for the sake of it, i.e. charles manson, Richard Kuklinsky etc. types. What would you do? It seems the obvious answer would be to move away as quick & fast as possible, but that could backfire tremendously. Would you hide? What do you think???

I'd probably leave all of my belongings, except for important valuables and things to survive, and would sneak away to a cousin or friends house thats not nearby, until they either left, got caught and arrested by the police or when I knew my family and I were safe.

I'd call the police, and let them arrest him. Let the murderer be the one to leave.

I'd call the police, and let them arrest him. Let the murderer be the one to leave.

Yeah but what if their acquitted or arrange for a friend to move onto your block if they find out you're the one that called the police? The mafia is mostly the ones to do that. They say if you get rid of one, theirs always 20 more somewhere.

I'm not saying it's a bad thing, but most people don't think these crazy murderers etc. don't have a backup plan or can't do anything once the lse enforcement takes off, but some of the craziest **** has happened before so you never know.

I'd call the police, and let them arrest him. Let the murderer be the one to leave.


Yeah, but what if he got pissed and ran next door to my house!:eek:
I'd get in my car, and go to the nearest hotel first... or any public building for that matter... and call the cops on my cell phone from there... and wait till they got him.

Yeah, but what if he got pissed and ran next door to my house!:eek:
I'd get in my car, and go to the nearest hotel first... or any public building for that matter... and call the cops on my cell phone from there... and wait till they got him.

Yeah Mattie, that's how you gotta think, and can't panic. The problem with a lot of people is, when they're faced with a decision if somebodys coming at them or their lives are in danger if somebody dangerous lives next door/nearby, they don't look at every perspective or POV. I think most people, including Janice and you would be smart about it, but putting yourself in the least amount of danger involves a few different plans and someway or another, putting yourself in their shoes, as in "what would they do", or "what would they do if I did this"? its scary as hell though.

Yeah but what if their acquitted or arrange for a friend to move onto your block if they find out you're the one that called the police? The mafia is mostly the ones to do that. They say if you get rid of one, theirs always 20 more somewhere.

I'm not saying it's a bad thing, but most people don't think these crazy murderers etc. don't have a backup plan or can't do anything once the lse enforcement takes off, but some of the craziest **** has happened before so you never know.
I misunderstood because you gave Manson and the the Unibomber as examples, and they're behind bars. Not sure what I'd do.

I misunderstood because you gave Manson and the the Unibomber as examples, and they're behind bars. Not sure what I'd do.

it's ok, I should of been more clearer- my bad. you gave a smart answer though. I was just validating my initial post in here. actually, richard kuklinski was the "ice man." he killed over 200 people and was so smart in the law not catching him, because he would freeze the bodies of the people he killed, then would preserve them, then release the bodies weeks after the incident, so coroners were mixed up and had no clue how the person had died. its twisted as hell but having to face living next to a crazy guu like that, I wouldn't want it whatsoever and would be frightened, but would prepare a way out of it, without getting killed maybe.

I'd try and get to know the guy as detailed as possible without pissing him off. Being female, I'd also be careful what I wore around the guy. Full, loose clothing works in the event I will need to run - plus it might give him that "undesirable" look if you know what I'm saying..

I would do my best not to get too close to them and I would install security systems in home and I would keep a gun with me.

If it were a "mafia" guy, then he would probably be a great neighbour. He could care less about you - unless you touch one of his kids or his wife.

And someone like Manson wouldn't own a home or live like that in the first place. ;)

The closest I got was when a wife murdered her husband 4 floors above me in a condo I used to live in. It was in a unit directly above ours. Needless to say, the cops took care of it.

I would find out all the facts about the murderer, and if this guy was possibly still dangerous, I'd plan a way to take him out.

Kill or be killed.

As long as I have my 9mm I feel safe. Just try and break in and you will 'say hello to my little friend'.

As long as I have my 9mm I feel safe. Just try and break in and you will 'say hello to my little friend'.

And what if he were to sneak in when you weren't there and find your gun and then wait for you to arrive home. ;)

first i would try to learn about them and the murders they committed. if they clearly killed out of malice or just psychosis (ie. they had a delusion that one of their victims was threatening their life), then most likely i would install all the home security components i could afford and keep pepper spray and a gun or two around. valuables would definitely be locked up and hidden away. i'd keep a cell phone on me at all times in case they're one of the ones who disconnects landline phones before attacking. if i ever saw them around outside, i wouldn't fall for any friendliness they may show towards me because i know how sociopaths work. but if i wasn't too fond of the place i was in and could afford moving, i'd just do that.

if it were someone who only killed out of rage and moral justice (like the lady in the news a few months ago who burned her daughter's rapist to death), i'd keep some distance because i couldn't be sure of exactly where they drew the line between what justifies murder and what doesn't, but i'd still be kind of interested in them. i'd probably put some effort into protecting myself too, but i think i'd at least be able to sleep at night.

And what if he were to sneak in when you weren't there and find your gun and then wait for you to arrive home. ;)


Well first of all he would have to find it then if he found it he would have to get the lock off. Then he would have to worry about my terrier biting his ass and if he still succeeds he would get pepper sprayed. :D

I don't believe in having guns, so that's simply not an option for me. Besides, having a gun rarely makes you safe. Then you're getting into a who-shoots-first round and that's a situation I never want to be in.

I would try and find out as much as I could. My guess is if he/she were living in a neighborhood as boring as mine, they were probably trying to lead a normal life peacefully. I'd try to mind my own business.

If on the other hand, I thought they were still doing it or were wanted by the police, I'd call the cops and ask for their protection. That's what they're there for. :wave:

Here are five words.....

I'd get The Hell Out!:eek:

The first thing I would do is pray about it! I'd much rather put my faith in God than a gun.

The first thing I would do is pray about it! I'd much rather put my faith in God than a gun.

:yeahthat :yourock: :clap

LOL yeah u gotta get past my two pitbulls first :lol: But if i knew i was living next to a murderer i wouldn't feel very comfortable i'd probably move.

I don't believe in having guns, so that's simply not an option for me. Besides, having a gun rarely makes you safe. Then you're getting into a who-shoots-first round and that's a situation I never want to be in.

The first thing I would do is pray about it! I'd much rather put my faith in God than a gun.

All I'm going to say is that I hope you two are never in a situation where you'd be wishing you had one.

All I'm going to say is that I hope you two are never in a situation where you'd be wishing you had one.


Exactly!

All I'm going to say is that I hope you two are never in a situation where you'd be wishing you had one.
i agree...each to his own, but with the fairly large amount of prayers that go unanswered in life or death situations, putting faith before physical safety would just be dangerous. to be blunt, god allows innocent people to die horrible deaths. based on my personal experiences with christianity, if i were to pray in a situation like this, i'd not only get killed but the attacker would also do things i shouldn't describe on a public message board, lol.

i agree...each to his own, but with the fairly large amount of prayers that go unanswered in life or death situations, putting faith before physical safety would just be dangerous. to be blunt, god allows innocent people to die horrible deaths. based on my personal experiences with christianity, if i were to pray in a situation like this, i'd not only get killed but the attacker would also do things i shouldn't describe on a public message board, lol.

Yes, you're right.

For those that say having a gun rarely makes you safe; how can you say something so ignorant? Guns do make you safe.

I agree that the police are there for your protection, but what do you do when there happens to be no police around during something bad happening or you can't reach a way to access them during a serious situation? Sometimes only you can protect you.

Regarding putting faith before physical safety... that's just dumb.

It amazes me at what some people think.

All I'm going to say is that I hope you two are never in a situation where you'd be wishing you had one.
:rolleyes:

I honestly don't know when I would find myself in a situation like that... I'm not saying I'm invincible, or that bad things don't happen, cause they do. But, the only way I would be a situation like that is if a person came into my house randomly with a gun to kill me... which, in all honesty, I realize does happen... but I can't live my life worrying that some random person will try to kill me at any waking moment.

What if someone tried to kill you in public.... would you carry the gun everywhere with you, loaded? Grocery stores, banks, to church?

Also... In this country: your odds of dying in a homicide are 1 in 314
your odds of dying by suicide are 1 in 119
It is almost like you are more danger to yourself with that gun than others are to you with their guns. There are also many other ways to die... If I'm gonna worry about someone hunting me down and killing me... I guess I'm gonna have to worry about car crashes, heart disease, cancer, major earthquakes, and other horrible accidents over which I have no control. In other words, I choose to live my life without a gun. I don't believe that is a dumb decision or shows irrational judgement... I think it is a personal choice that we are all entitled to.

Take a look at death odds:

I don' trust the cops...gotta do it your own way I say

i've seen too many incidents, and even movies were cops were brought to somebody's attention for safety and protection, and didn't help whatsoever....they can get you killed, more then help you.

:rolleyes:

I honestly don't know when I would find myself in a situation like that... I'm not saying I'm invincible, or that bad things don't happen, cause they do. But, the only way I would be a situation like that is if a person came into my house randomly with a gun to kill me... which, in all honesty, I realize does happen... but I can't live my life worrying that some random person will try to kill me at any waking moment.

What if someone tried to kill you in public.... would you carry the gun everywhere with you, loaded? Grocery stores, banks, to church?

Also... In this country: your odds of dying in a homicide are 1 in 314
your odds of dying by suicide are 1 in 119
It is almost like you are more danger to yourself with that gun than others are to you with their guns. There are also many other ways to die... If I'm gonna worry about someone hunting me down and killing me... I guess I'm gonna have to worry about car crashes, heart disease, cancer, major earthquakes, and other horrible accidents over which I have no control. In other words, I choose to live my life without a gun. I don't believe that is a dumb decision or shows irrational judgement... I think it is a personal choice that we are all entitled to.

Take a look at death odds:

The fact is anything could happen at any time. Someone could decide to intrude your house, someone could mug you on the street, you can be in a bank/store the same time a robbery happens... anything is possible.

You're right, the chances of somebody breaking in your home is low but it could happen. I don't worry about it happening to me but I feel more safe and content knowing that I have firearms in my access.

Regarding carrying in public, where I am in NYC it is very strict on getting a concealed and carry permit. Even if you have a gun carrying license there are still restrictions on where you can/can't have them; I know banks, airports, college campus.. have it that you can't have firearms. I'm not 100% certain on all of the law and restrictions but the fact remains that even with a gun carrying permit you still have restrictions where I am.

Disease and the such you have no control over; that is nature's course. However you do have a chance to survive an attack in your residence more easily with a firearm and people have killed home intruders before.

That is my decision. I hope that I never have to use my firearm in a dangerous situation but I am prepared if it should happen I feel. Though the chances are low it could happen.

By the way, where exactly is your chart from? I didn't see any labels or anything.

and Mattie, that's a pretty cool table...but it says the odds for each occurence is 1 out of a thousand and on, yet it happens everyday to more then one out of a thousand people in the world....

The fact is anything could happen at any time. Someone could decide to intrude your house, someone could mug you on the street, you can be in a bank/store the same time a robbery happens... anything is possible.

You're right, the chances of somebody breaking in your home is low but it could happen. I don't worry about it happening to me but I feel more safe and content knowing that I have firearms in my access.

Regarding carrying in public, where I am in NYC it is very strict on getting a concealed and carry permit. Even if you have a gun carrying license there are still restrictions on where you can/can't have them; I know banks, airports, college campus.. have it that you can't have firearms. I'm not 100% certain on all of the law and restrictions but the fact remains that even with a gun carrying permit you still have restrictions where I am.

Disease and the such you have no control over; that is nature's course. However you do have a chance to survive an attack in your residence more easily with a firearm and people have killed home intruders before.

That is my decision. I hope that I never have to use my firearm in a dangerous situation but I am prepared if it should happen I feel. Though the chances are low it could happen.

Plaxico Burress, for example...

yes I agree with you here....i watch too many movies (about this kind of stuff happening to people), yet I follow my beliefs into the real world...you can't follow probability because if the chances of getting robbed, stabbed and dying are 1 out of 5,000, and if the robber and maybe a convicted killer walks into your store, 5,000 becomes 1, or 1-2 if you escape...

Plaxico Burress, for example...

yes I agree with you here....i watch too many movies (about this kind of stuff happening to people), yet I follow my beliefs into the real world...you can't follow probability because if the chances of getting robbed, stabbed and dying are 1 out of 5,000, and if the robber and maybe a convicted killer walks into your store, 5,000 becomes 1, or 1-2 if you escape...

I don't know about you but I wouldn't judge anything from movies...

The way I look at it when it comes to regarding probability charts is this:

Let's say something is 1 out of 1,000 chance. There is absolutely NO reason why people shouldn't take care and be prepared for whatever that chart reads happening to them because that 1 person could very well be you.

Something occuring rarely or not often is no excuse not to be prepared for it. Worrying about it and being prepared are two different things.

and Mattie, that's a pretty cool table...but it says the odds for each occurence is 1 out of a thousand and on, yet it happens everyday to more then one out of a thousand people in the world....

Yeah, the odds are based on how you will die. So, if it's one in 119 you will commit suicide, that means you have a *pulls out calculator* .8% chance of dying that way.

By the way, the website is here (http://www.scribd.com/doc/2473922/Odds-of-dying).

The fact is anything could happen at any time. Someone could decide to intrude your house, someone could mug you on the street, you can be in a bank/store the same time a robbery happens... anything is possible.

You're right, the chances of somebody breaking in your home is low but it could happen. I don't worry about it happening to me but I feel more safe and content knowing that I have firearms in my access.

Regarding carrying in public, where I am in NYC it is very strict on getting a concealed and carry permit. Even if you have a gun carrying license there are still restrictions on where you can/can't have them; I know banks, airports, college campus.. have it that you can't have firearms. I'm not 100% certain on all of the law and restrictions but the fact remains that even with a gun carrying permit you still have restrictions where I am.

Disease and the such you have no control over; that is nature's course. However you do have a chance to survive an attack in your residence more easily with a firearm and people have killed home intruders before.

That is my decision. I hope that I never have to use my firearm in a dangerous situation but I am prepared if it should happen I feel. Though the chances are low it could happen.

By the way, where exactly is your chart from? I didn't see any labels or anything.

Okay, so you own a gun... but there are still restrictions that do not allow you to have your gun in certain places? So you couldn't protect yourself at a bank, where it seems probably the best chance you would come into contact with someone with a gun? What about from a college campus shooting?...

I don't know how I'm going to die. According to that chart there is an three-tenths percent chance that I will die in a homicide, and you know what... It's a risk that I choose not to worry about, even though I know anything is a possibility. It is your right to protect yourself if you so choose... and I have nothing but respect for your decision, and I think you should respect mine as well.

Website here: Odds of Dying in Specific Incidences (http://www.scribd.com/doc/2473922/Odds-of-dying)

Okay, so you own a gun... but there are still restrictions that do not allow you to have your gun in certain places? So you couldn't protect yourself at a bank, where it seems probably the best chance you would come into contact with someone with a gun? What about from a college campus shooting?...

I don't know how I'm going to die. According to that chart there is an three-tenths percent chance that I will die in a homicide, and you know what... It's a risk that I choose not to worry about, even though I know anything is a possibility. It is your right to protect yourself if you so choose... and I have nothing but respect for your decision, and I think you should respect mine as well.

Website here: Odds of Dying in Specific Incidences (http://www.scribd.com/doc/2473922/Odds-of-dying)

Yes, there are restrictions on where you can carry firearms legally. Anybody can have a firearm anywhere at anytime; certainly the crooks don't care about bringing in the guns to the bank.

One famous case from here in NYC was Mr. Goetz who carried an illegal handgun with him on the subway in the 1980s. He was about to be robbed by a group of people and he fired all 6 shots at the perps and was able to get away. He didn't kill any of them but I believe one was paralyzed for life.

The courts decided not to charge him for the shootings however he got one year in prison for weapons charges. I guess people can take the risk of violating weapons codes for their protection and have the courts determine their fate.

As I stressed before I don't worry about it happening but I feel prepared.

I don't know about you but I wouldn't judge anything from movies...

The way I look at it when it comes to regarding probability charts is this:

Let's say something is 1 out of 1,000 chance. There is absolutely NO reason why people shouldn't take care and be prepared for whatever that chart reads happening to them because that 1 person could very well be you.

Something occuring rarely or not often is no excuse not to be prepared for it. Worrying about it and being prepared are two different things.

I'm not judging it from movies, but it happens just the same in real life....murderers take scenarios and ideas to kill people from these movies, music etc. and form of entertainment they watch or learn from, and use it in their own...i've read newspapers, seen the news, googled info and heard tons of stuff about these crazy people, the acts they pull and the things they do...some robbers will borrow things they find online, or perform acts they follow from tv shows and movies....

Yeah, the odds are based on how you will die. So, if it's one in 119 you will commit suicide, that means you have a *pulls out calculator* .8% chance of dying that way.

By the way, the website is here (http://www.scribd.com/doc/2473922/Odds-of-dying).

Couldn't heart attack be paired with heart disease (1 in a 5)? That's how the Phillies broadcaster died. He had heart disease, but I believe it was ruled a heart attack. So the two are the same, just one is a cause, and the other is an effect of the other. Heart attack being the cause, heart disease being the effect. yes?

Well first of all he would have to find it then if he found it he would have to get the lock off. Then he would have to worry about my terrier biting his ass and if he still succeeds he would get pepper sprayed. :D


Crap! I'm not going near your place!! :lol:

I'm picturing barbed wire instead of a fence!!


(Actually, don't the immediate neighbours of a serial killer usually barely know anything about them other than that they were a very quiet person? I wouldn't worry too much about living next door......it's down the street and around the block you've got some problems!!!) ;)

Couldn't heart attack be paired with heart disease (1 in a 5)? That's how the Phillies broadcaster died. He had heart disease, but I believe it was ruled a heart attack. So the two are the same, just one is a cause, and the other is an effect of the other. Heart attack being the cause, heart disease being the effect. yes?

Absolutely, as one leads to another often times, both are included in the phrase: "heart disease."

Crap! I'm not going near your place!! :lol:

I'm picturing barbed wire instead of a fence!!


(Actually, don't the immediate neighbours of a serial killer usually barely know anything about them other than that they were a very quiet person? I wouldn't worry too much about living next door......it's down the street and around the block you've got some problems!!!) ;)

:rofl:

"Disturbia (2008)"

Sometimes you gotta find out yourself if next door is a serial killer, like the movie...

i would move is what i would do quick n soon