RS was a Cinderella story for UM. one in a million. he was a legendary actor, yet he had a great sense of humor and one of a kind stoic personality. His Elliott Ness affiliation also was part of it. In a weird way, I only know of Ness, because of Stack which perhaps would be the opposite from the generation ahead of me. The show lives on, only because of his legacy in my opinion. that's why in the latest UM he is literally casting a shadow over the opening theme. I think C&M realized that there is no way for them to go on without including him.

I understand about being priced out. I think I'm better off visiting. I would like to catch a game at MSG next time I go. I'm a big hockey fan. not really interested in yankee stadium anymore, but wouldn't rule that out either.

I haven't been to a hockey game since 2015, the first time the Nassau Coliseum closed. I haven't been to either new baseball stadium since they opened. They've priced people out there too and there is no nostalgia since both opened in 2009. I was at MSG in January 1984 with my father and sister when Hulk Hogan beat The Iron Shiek to become WWF champion the first time. That's likely my favorite moment being there. Try to get to MSG when you can. The city council put in a vote a few years ago to get MSG out of there within 10 years to rebuild Penn Station. It's the fourth Madison Square Garden anyway, the original being in Madison Square (Madison Avenue and 23 Street where Broadway intersects and creates the square) over a century ago. The best thing might be to live NYC adjacent. Live close enough to be able to experience it, but far enough away it does not bankrupt you or deal with the bad parts.

I haven't watched any new Unsolved Mysteries. The remade episodes with Dennis Farina were awful and I think I can assume that the current version is bad as are most current tv shows and movies in my opinion. I think Robert Stack captured the 1920s American male. The man who has gone through things, but didn't let it kill him and made him humble and tough. He is serious, but he can laugh at himself because he's not insecure. He can lead or follow when needed. If I were creating an American grandfather template, he would be the one I would come up with. He was great in Airplane! being one of the best parts of the film and The Untouchables is one of my favorites. The only actor I can think of offhand that was similar to him in demeanor was good old Mannix, Mike Connors.

You made me think for a second. I think I initially knew of Elliot Ness because of Robert Stack as well because the MSG Network back in the mid-1980s had The Untouchables on late at night. I used to see the commercials as a child for it and Robert Stack had that feeling you could trust him. Damn. It all came full circle, MSG and Robert Stack.

I haven't been to a hockey game since 2015, the first time the Nassau Coliseum closed. I haven't been to either new baseball stadium since they opened. They've priced people out there too and there is no nostalgia since both opened in 2009. I was at MSG in January 1984 with my father and sister when Hulk Hogan beat The Iron Shiek to become WWF champion the first time. That's likely my favorite moment being there. Try to get to MSG when you can. The city council put in a vote a few years ago to get MSG out of there within 10 years to rebuild Penn Station. It's the fourth Madison Square Garden anyway, the original being in Madison Square (Madison Avenue and 23 Street where Broadway intersects and creates the square) over a century ago. The best thing might be to live NYC adjacent. Live close enough to be able to experience it, but far enough away it does not bankrupt you or deal with the bad parts.

I haven't watched any new Unsolved Mysteries. The remade episodes with Dennis Farina were awful and I think I can assume that the current version is bad as are most current tv shows and movies in my opinion. I think Robert Stack captured the 1920s American male. The man who has gone through things, but didn't let it kill him and made him humble and tough. He is serious, but he can laugh at himself because he's not insecure. He can lead or follow when needed. If I were creating an American grandfather template, he would be the one I would come up with. He was great in Airplane! being one of the best parts of the film and The Untouchables is one of my favorites. The only actor I can think of offhand that was similar to him in demeanor was good old Mannix, Mike Connors.

You made me think for a second. I think I initially knew of Elliot Ness because of Robert Stack as well because the MSG Network back in the mid-1980s had The Untouchables on late at night. I used to see the commercials as a child for it and Robert Stack had that feeling you could trust him. Damn. It all came full circle, MSG and Robert Stack.
nice! I was only 6 years old when I saw my first UM episode in 1989. it was season 2. I had no idea then who RS was, but I learned as time went on. He's a legend now with just about every generation. I didn't even know about the untouchables until later when I watched a RS interview on youtube.


MSG, I first learned about it watching a Led Zeppelin movie, probably when I was 4 or 5. That was when I became aware that New York existed. I knew about MSG before I knew about any sports being played in arenas and identified it with music. I'm gonna plan to go to a stars v rangers game next year up there.

nice! I was only 6 years old when I saw my first UM episode in 1989. it was season 2. I had no idea then who RS was, but I learned as time went on. He's a legend now with just about every generation. I didn't even know about the untouchables until later when I watched a RS interview on youtube.


MSG, I first learned about it watching a Led Zeppelin movie, probably when I was 4 or 5. That was when I became aware that New York existed. I knew about MSG before I knew about any sports being played in arenas and identified it with music. I'm gonna plan to go to a stars v rangers game next year up there.

I was 14 in 1989. It doesn't feel possible that 1989 was 37 years ago. I'm kind of surprised it's been 23 years since Robert Stack died. He was the biggest unsolved mystery of them all looking the same for 60 years. Time is going too fast.

The movie The Song Remains The Same? I think that movie came out a little before John Bonhom died. I remember in 1982/1983 the kids were wearing Led Zeppelin T-shirts saying the tour was "cancelled". I watched that movie somewhere around 1985 I think. Brian May of Queen has special memories of MSG because it was the first time his father understood why he left his education to be a musician when he saw the crowd cheering.

I was 14 in 1989. It doesn't feel possible that 1989 was 37 years ago. I'm kind of surprised it's been 23 years since Robert Stack died. He was the biggest unsolved mystery of them all looking the same for 60 years. Time is going too fast.

The movie The Song Remains The Same? I think that movie came out a little before John Bonhom died. I remember in 1982/1983 the kids were wearing Led Zeppelin T-shirts saying the tour was "cancelled". I watched that movie somewhere around 1985 I think. Brian May of Queen has special memories of MSG because it was the first time his father understood why he left his education to be a musician when he saw the crowd cheering.

yes it was The Song Remains the Same. It was a series of 4 concerts at MSG in 1973. The movie apparently came out in 1976 or 1977. Famously during that concert tour, someone stole all of their profit from the concerts. I think it was their band manager Peter Grant or who knows. maybe something to do with payola or groupies. they were known for burning bridges with people and breaking American laws. it apparently got investigated by New York authorities and closed due to lack of evidence.

You are right that Unsolved Mysteries many times omitted information, had wrong information, or slanted their stories a certain way. I do find it funny now that some of the stories I saw in the 1990s that had me all interested or scared, I look at now and laugh at how absurd they are. I guess I'm also more experienced now and I can spot the liars pretty easily where back then I would feel sorry for them.

Unsolved Mysteries did really well for itself, though. It was totally unique and actually made effort to question all people, including authority figures and the government. It also sometimes biased in favor of people and theories that weren't being taken seriously, which is admirable.

But yeah, so many of these old segments don't hold up. A lot of them are just sad and others are almost pointless to even air from a perspective decades in the future. The country was at the tail end of being relatively homogeneous and cohesive, so there was a lot of nativity about just how despicable the world actually is. So many of the "senseless" crimes seem pretty obviously drug related or the result of someone's passion. This one seems like one of those. The wife having an affair or the security guard making everything up seem like the two most plausible theories.