View Full Version : 11 yr. old boy kills dad's pregnant girlfriend
PunkyP0WER 02-22-2009, 07:34 AM http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090222/ap_on_re_us/pregnant_woman_killed
Pa. boy, 11, accused of killing dad's girlfriend
Fifth-grader Jordan Brown boarded the bus and headed to school like he does most other mornings in this rural western Pennsylvania community.
But Friday was no typical morning. Before he left his rented farmhouse, authorities say, the 11-year-old fatally shot his father's pregnant fiancee in the back of the head as she lay in bed. He then put his youth model 20-gauge shotgun back in his room and went out to catch his bus, police say.
Brown was charged Saturday as an adult in the death of 26-year-old Kenzie Marie Houk, who was eight months pregnant, Lawrence County District Attorney John Bongivengo said. Houk's fetus died within minutes due to a lack of oxygen, Lawrence County Coroner Russell Noga said.
The death and charges against Brown caught family and friends by surprise and left Wampum, about 45 miles northwest of Pittsburgh, to ponder what would possess a boy to allegedly shoot someone.
Houk's family and friends, who gathered at her parents' house Saturday night, told The Associated Press that there had been past problems with the boy.
"He actually told my son that he wanted to do that to her," Houk's brother-in-law, Jason Kraner said. "There was an issue with jealousy."
Pennsylvania State Police found Houk's body after her 4-year-old daughter told tree cutters on the property she thought her mother was dead, Bongivengo said.
The boy told police there was a black truck on the property that morning — possibly the man who feeds the cows — sending investigators to follow a false lead for about five hours, Bongivengo said. Inconsistencies in Brown's description of the truck led police to re-interview Houk's 7-year-old daughter, who implicated the boy in the killing, Bongivengo said. State troopers came to get the boy at school.
"She didn't actually eyewitness the shooting. She saw him with what she believed to be a shotgun and heard a loud bang," Bongivengo said. The gun was found in a "location we believe to be in the defendant's bedroom."
Brown has been arraigned and was being held in the Lawrence County Jail, with a preliminary hearing scheduled for Thursday.
"An 11-year-old kid — what would give him the motive to shoot someone?" Houk's father Jack said. "Maybe he was just jealous of my daughter and the baby and thought he would be overpowered."
Defense attorney Dennis Elisco said he plans to ask Monday for the boy to be released on bail and for the case to moved to juvenile court. Elisco and police said they had no clear motive for the shooting.
Elisco said he is waiting to see physical evidence that ties his young client to the killing.
"I don't think he knows what's going on," he said. "I walked out of there thinking he was innocent. I believe Jordan did not do this."
The boy's father, Christopher Brown, is "a mess" and had no prior indication his son had a problem with Houk, Elisco said.
"He's in a state of actual shock and disbelief," he said.
The shotgun used is designed for children and has a shorter arm and such weapons do not have to be registered, Bongivengo said. Jack Houk, 57, said the boy and his father used to practice shooting behind their farmhouse, and the two enjoyed going hunting together
MrRetro_08 02-22-2009, 08:00 AM That's just shocking!!!, some real crazy stuff. :crazy:
catlover79 02-22-2009, 09:46 AM SICK, SICK, SICK. :mad: :mad: :mad:
MickeyMac 02-22-2009, 04:47 PM He is only 11 so he is still a child, but when he turns 18 they should f**king fry him. :mad: :mad:
beautifuldreamer 02-22-2009, 06:09 PM He is only 11 so he is still a child, but when he turns 18 they should f**king fry him. :mad: :mad:
As long as we're there, can we f**king fry the daddy too?... who gave his eleven year old a "child-sized shotgun"?? That's INSANE!!!:mad: :eek:
janet42 02-22-2009, 10:36 PM That's horrible. What would make a kid do that? :eek:
OH Nuts! 02-22-2009, 10:48 PM As long as we're there, can we f**king fry the daddy too?... who gave his eleven year old a "child-sized shotgun"?? That's INSANE!!!:mad: :eek:
Well I feel really sorry for the dad BUT you raise a good point. Why was there a shotgun just lying around the house all loaded just waiting to be used??????? Scary very scary all of it - AND SAD!
Max Whittaker 02-22-2009, 11:25 PM The shotgun used is designed for children and has a shorter arm and such weapons do not have to be registered...
Can someone explain to me the logic in this? Why not require them to register it?
catlover79 02-22-2009, 11:28 PM Can someone explain to me the logic in this? Why not require them to register it?
Why are they making shotguns for kids to use in the first place??? :mad: :mad: :mad:
Max Whittaker 02-22-2009, 11:31 PM Why are they making shotguns for kids to use in the first place??? :mad: :mad: :mad:
That one's easy... It's simply another excuse to make a buck.
catlover79 02-22-2009, 11:41 PM That one's easy... It's simply another excuse to make a buck.
Why are they allowed to get away with it??? :mad: :mad: :mad:
dawsongirl 02-23-2009, 12:42 AM As long as we're there, can we f**king fry the daddy too?... who gave his eleven year old a "child-sized shotgun"?? That's INSANE!!!:mad: :eek:
Why are there child-sized shotguns to start with??
Marvo301 02-23-2009, 01:16 AM What a tragic situation! I'm appalled that there is even such a thing as a child size gun. Even if the gun is sized so a child can physically handle it there is no possible way a child could ever be emotionally prepared to handle the consequences of any tragedy that could result from firing such a gun. That is exactly what happened in this case. And now the lives of this family, the girlfriends family, and even the community is changed forever.(and most certainly not for the better). As I said to start with - tragic.
Zoneboy 02-23-2009, 01:26 AM Child-size = Happy meal not a friggin shotgun! :mad:
browneyes106 02-23-2009, 01:28 AM I think maybe the kid was jealous of his girlfriend being pregnant and stuff. I feel for the victim's family.
OH Nuts! 02-23-2009, 02:19 AM Child-size = Happy meal not a friggin shotgun! :mad:
Very nicely said!!
MikeLutton 02-23-2009, 04:14 AM she was my best friend in hole world im lost without her we was soo close im stil shocked over this she was my friend i misss her soo much hope whoever did this goes to prisonn
she was my best friend in hole world im lost without her we was soo close im stil shocked over this she was my friend i misss her soo much hope whoever did this goes to prison
The 11-year old boy killed her. Did you know this woman personally?
Hollow 02-23-2009, 04:36 AM Can someone explain to me the logic in this? Why not require them to register it?
that part of the article got me too. people are making guns for children? parents are actually buying these said guns for their kids? am i missing something?
i feel bad for the father here. how tragic, his new upcoming family gone forever at the hands of his own son. sounds like the kid might not have liked the idea of having a stepfamily. who knows though.
MikeLutton 02-23-2009, 04:53 AM yeah i knew her for 14 years almost she use come to my home we talk on phone talk laugh cry i know what happend al though people dont think he did it
i dont know what to believe anymore he need be n jail some kind jail for long long time.she was my best friend
yes i knew her personally my family did
JamesG 02-23-2009, 05:40 AM Once again, a tragedy happens with guns due to the parents' irresponsibilty with handling their children with them.
I don't know what purpose an 11 year old has with having a gun in his possession. I didn't get mine until I was almost 19.
Can you really trust that A CHILD is not going to mishandle a gun? Can you trust that that a child won't go for his gun in anger and kill someone (as happened here). I'm for gun ownership but in no way should they be in children's possession. You are just asking for trouble right there.
Also, since these shotguns are small and don't have to be registered, what is to stop an adult from getting hold of these and concealing them easily?
beautifuldreamer 02-23-2009, 06:17 AM Once again, a tragedy happens with guns due to the parents' irresponsibilty with handling their children with them.
I don't know what purpose an 11 year old has with having a gun in his possession. I didn't get mine until I was almost 19.
Can you really trust that A CHILD is not going to mishandle a gun? Can you trust that that a child won't go for his gun in anger and kill someone (as happened here). I'm for gun ownership but in no way should they be in children's possession. You are just asking for trouble right there.
Also, since these shotguns are small and don't have to be registered, what is to stop an adult from getting hold of these and concealing them easily?
Totally agree! With the gun laws and not having to register it blah blah blah... the father KNEW that his child had A LOADED SHOTGUN is his possession... his ELEVEN YEAR OLD!! Who the hell cares about gun laws.. it's the PARENT'S RESPONSIBILITY to keep them out of the kids' reach!!:mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: Sorry, I'm really upset about this.
JamesG 02-23-2009, 06:20 PM Totally agree! With the gun laws and not having to register it blah blah blah... the father KNEW that his child had A LOADED SHOTGUN is his possession... his ELEVEN YEAR OLD!! Who the hell cares about gun laws.. it's the PARENT'S RESPONSIBILITY to keep them out of the kids' reach!!:mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: Sorry, I'm really upset about this.
Well gun laws are worth caring about. Because of the laws this type of firearm is not needed to be registered and the father was allowed to give this to his son as a gift.
Perhaps if there was a rule on the registration of this type of firearm and the availabilty of said firearm to minors this might have been prevented. Of course the father could have still have given his son the gun regardless of the laws but he would be committing a crime if he had.
Parents just have to be cautious with firearms and children. I would have never thought someone would think an 11 year old is qualified to have a shotgun in his possession but apparently I'm wrong.
beautifuldreamer 02-23-2009, 09:00 PM Well gun laws are worth caring about. Because of the laws this type of firearm is not needed to be registered and the father was allowed to give this to his son as a gift.
Perhaps if there was a rule on the registration of this type of firearm and the availabilty of said firearm to minors this might have been prevented. Of course the father could have still have given his son the gun regardless of the laws but he would be committing a crime if he had.
Parents just have to be cautious with firearms and children. I would have never thought someone would think an 11 year old is qualified to have a shotgun in his possession but apparently I'm wrong.
I see your point, James. The gun laws are really not a smart thing. I actually didn't even know before this that it was legal for a minor to have a gun and have it not registered. That is insane... but the dad could have disobeyed the law, after all, he said he and his son just LOVED to go hunting together... even if the dad was committing a crime... his girlfriend would be dead either way. I guess what I'm trying to say is that I believe that it was the father's responsibility to keep a loaded shotgun out of his eleven year old son's reach... regardless of gun control laws. I think it shows parental irresponsibility that he didn't do that... and he paid dearly for it.:(
Sharop 02-24-2009, 01:42 PM As long as we're there, can we f**king fry the daddy too?... who gave his eleven year old a "child-sized shotgun"?? That's INSANE!!!:mad: :eek:
I would agree that it was unwise for the father to allow his son to have a gun. But considering what has happened, the father must be going through hell, is probably regretting it himself, and doesn't need, or deserve, in my opinion, any kind of punishment.
beautifuldreamer 02-24-2009, 11:23 PM I would agree that it was unwise for the father to allow his son to have a gun. But considering what has happened, the father must be going through hell, is probably regretting it himself, and doesn't need, or deserve, in my opinion, any kind of punishment.
I hear you, I was a bit enraged when I wrote that... I'm sure that family is going through some horrible times right now... that father doesn't need my criticisms.
I was out of line... and for that I apologize.:(
Sharop 02-25-2009, 07:41 AM I hear you, I was a bit enraged when I wrote that... I'm sure that family is going through some horrible times right now... that father doesn't need my criticisms.
I was out of line... and for that I apologize.:(
I actually see where you were coming from regarding that it was irresponsible of him to let his kid have a gun. I think that criticising that is fair, it was just the thing about him deserving to fry that I disagreed with, because he didn't actually harm anyone himself and like I said, he must be suffering intensely at the moment. But I'm guessing now that you didn't actually mean that. :)
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