Its quite obvious that Paul Pollis' mom helped cover up the crime, just based on her behavior on UM, she clearly helped in some manner.

What other cases do the families of the killers also look suspicious?

Chad Noe's family in the Wendy Camp segment, of course. Then again, maybe I'm just bitchin' and moanin'.

In my opinion, till someone tells the truth, the Ramseys did, do, and always will look suspicious. Patsy may have done most of it, but at some point John became part of it.

I guess Clarence Roberts (guy who died twice in two fires) would count. It was obvious that his wife Geneva helped him and perhaps some of his family as well.

Other one that comes to mind is the Thomas Gibson case (the police officer in Oregon that they had believed shot his son accidently mistaken him as a stray cat). His wife and indirectly his little daughter helped him in covering up.

Yeah, I'd totally forgotten about Clarence Roberts. I'm with you, Mastermind, and still say he was definitely the "mystery man" seen at Geneva's house, despite some apparent doubt in the segment.

Larry Gibson....:mad:

Umm...let's see...possibly the Baskins case? There's some new word that Debbie's siblings actually helped the Maples stay in hiding all those years.

Just thought of another one---the ATV murders. Sometime in the '90s Frank Casteel's wife had written letters to Casteel's mistress detailing the murders (that she until that point had kept secret) in an attempt to get Frank to end the extra-marital affair. Of course, when Casteel was caught and put on trial, she said she'd made the whole thing up. :rolleyes:

If I'm not mistaken, I think she was the woman at "the gate" turning people around that night, as well.

In my opinion, till someone tells the truth, the Ramseys did, do, and always will look suspicious. Patsy may have done most of it, but at some point John became part of it.
Were they ever featured on UM?

But there was a case of a dude who was arrested for drunk driving and whike he was in th hospital for injuries his family snuck him ou of the hospital. I could be wrong about it being UM though! I am not as crack about these details, though.

Were they ever featured on UM?

The Ramseys were featured. I remember seeing it years ago when UM was on NBC, but it's apparently one of those "never shown on Lifetime" segments.


But there was a case of a dude who was arrested for drunk driving and whike he was in th hospital for injuries his family snuck him ou of the hospital. I could be wrong about it being UM though! I am not as crack about these details, though.

Yes, I believe his name was James White. The case was featured in early '92.

Mrs. Casteel vainly denied having any knowledge of the murders on the stand but her poison pen notes to the mistress were enough for the prosecution to get Frank convicted by the jury. While many believe Mrs. Casteel to have been 'the woman at the gate', that individual has never officially been identified. Why Mrs. Casteel wasn't charged with being an accessory,accomplice or even purjory, I've never understood!
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Just thought of another one---the ATV murders. Sometime in the '90s Frank Casteel's wife had written letters to Casteel's mistress detailing the murders (that she until that point had kept secret) in an attempt to get Frank to end the extra-marital affair. Of course, when Casteel was caught and put on trial, she said she'd made the whole thing up. :rolleyes:

If I'm not mistaken, I think she was the woman at "the gate" turning people around that night, as well.

Another possible example is the Danny Pinetta case. He was the 19 year-old track star who raped his then 13 year-old girlfriend, Nanette Brana. After he raped Brana, his family tried to get her family to drop the charges through constant harassment. Not only that, but they helped Danny elude capture in Pennsylvania and escape, until he was later caught in Puerto Rico.

Yeah, and the preppy rapist, where the reenactment showed him restraining the victim while knocking back the car seat. His family helped him hide on vacation in Europe for years. puke:

What about that kid in Florida, Dimitric? It's obvious that the kids bullying him that day killed him accidentally, and one of the parents helped to cover it up.

Kevin Coe, South Hill rapist.

Yeah, and the preppy rapist, where the reenactment showed him restraining the victim while knocking back the car seat. His family helped him hide on vacation in Europe for years. puke:

That'd be Alex Kelly. Unfortunately, he's out of jail now. He's still living with his parents in the same community he terrorized.

Also, the suspect in the Kristin Smart case is largely thought to have been aided by his parents.

Good article on th Charley Project regarding the Smart Case.
http://www.charleyproject.org/cases/s/smart_kristin.html

Kevin Coe, South Hill rapist.
Oh yeah. His mom was creeeeeeepy. Wasn't she convicted of trying to put a hit out on the prosecutor and the judge?

Yeah, although she may have been more in denial of the crimes than trying to cover up the crimes. Also, I was sort of under the impression he was captured before UM became a series.

Yeah, although she may have been more in denial of the crimes than trying to cover up the crimes. Also, I was sort of under the impression he was captured before UM became a series.
I think she was in denial, but she also lied to say that he was with her at the time of every rape he was accused of. She also seemed to be one of those super-domineering women which caused a lot of speculation that she was responsible for creating him as a rapist. At least the TV movie about the case spun it that way.

Yeah, and the preppy rapist, where the reenactment showed him restraining the victim while knocking back the car seat. His family helped him hide on vacation in Europe for years. puke:

Ah yes, Alex Kelly.....where was he when I was single? His smug mom and even smugger dad...yikes. I wanted to shoot both of them and trust me I have never even handled a firearm!

I love the photo of all of them relaxing in their ski wear. And don't forget, the Swedish girlfriend's parents got involved in helping him escape. Weren't they tipped off when the police were on their way and ALex was able to take off again?

He is out of jail? Yikes.

Oh yeah. His mom was creeeeeeepy. Wasn't she convicted of trying to put a hit out on the prosecutor and the judge?

Yes, that is him. Also he was about to serve his time and they were trying to deem him a sexually violent rapist which would keep him behind bars (In a hospital) until the cows come home. There was a prison interview with him a while back that aired on Dateline. This is an excellent write up. http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/24922815/

The hearing and jury verdict here http://www.truveo.com/Raw-Jury-commits-convicted-rapist-Kevin-Coe/id/1476637458

The jury commited him to a mental facilty as a violent sex offender.

And don't forget, the Swedish girlfriend's parents got involved in helping him escape. Weren't they tipped off when the police were on their way and ALex was able to take off again?
Oh, yes. And then he promptly dumped her and was back with his girlfriend from back home by the time he went to trial.

Yes, that is him. Also he was about to serve his time and they were trying to deem him a sexually violent rapist which would keep him behind bars (In a hospital) until the cows come home. There was a prison interview with him a while back that aired on Dateline. This is an excellent write up. http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/24922815/

The hearing and jury verdict here http://www.truveo.com/Raw-Jury-commits-convicted-rapist-Kevin-Coe/id/1476637458

The jury commited him to a mental facilty as a violent sex offender.

They showed some sense. What surprised me was the question of him even possibly being out so soon. I thought he wasn't eligible for parole till age 98 or something.

http://wtnh.tv/blogs/index.php/anchors/2007/11/21/the_rules_for_alex_kelly

I found this info about Alex Kelly. He was released at the end of 2007.

I did remember correctly, the judge ordered him to complete 200 hours of community service, recommending that he do his community service in a rape crisis center or a hospital where sexual assault victims are treated.

He will have to perform his community service in one of those locations, unless his probation officer formally seeks a change that will allow Kelly to serve his community service without terrorizing even more rape victims.

And I found this to be odd... He has to complete the sex offender training program of his probation officer's choosing. He must register as a sex offender. How can he be considered "security clearance worthy" to work in a rape crisis center?

If he was looking to get hired there, instead of performing "community service", wouldn't the natural course of things be, "Mr. Kelly, I see here on your application that you've recently served prison time for multiple rapes, fleeing to avoid prosecution, etc. And that you are currently a registered sex offender. I'm sorry, but we cannot hire a convicted felony rapist who is listed in the national sex offender registry, to work with our female patients who have suffered the brutality of rape."

They showed some sense. What surprised me was the question of him even possibly being out so soon. I thought he wasn't eligible for parole till age 98 or something.

He was sentenced to 25 years. His first parole hearing was in 1992. He did not appear at any parole hearing and served the full 25 years which was completed in 2006. He was not released at that time but was moved to the mental facility for the civil commitment hearing where as, shown in the link I provided, he lost and now is committed indefinitely.

Just in case there's some confusion, we're talking about two different rapists.

In post 23, I'm talking about Alex Kelly and his conviction and parole.

In post 24, Obi Wan is talking about Kevin Coe, the South Hill Rapist, his conviction, sentence, and eventual committment into a mental facility.

I just did want anyone to get confused about "is he in jail, isn't he in jail, what's going on?" And clarify that we're talking about two different perps.

http://wtnh.tv/blogs/index.php/anchors/2007/11/21/the_rules_for_alex_kelly

I found this info about Alex Kelly. He was released at the end of 2007.

I did remember correctly, the judge ordered him to complete 200 hours of community service, recommending that he do his community service in a rape crisis center or a hospital where sexual assault victims are treated.

He will have to perform his community service in one of those locations, unless his probation officer formally seeks a change that will allow Kelly to serve his community service without terrorizing even more rape victims.

And I found this to be odd... He has to complete the sex offender training program of his probation officer's choosing. He must register as a sex offender. How can he be considered "security clearance worthy" to work in a rape crisis center?

If he was looking to get hired there, instead of performing "community service", wouldn't the natural course of things be, "Mr. Kelly, I see here on your application that you've recently served prison time for multiple rapes, fleeing to avoid prosecution, etc. And that you are currently a registered sex offender. I'm sorry, but we cannot hire a convicted felony rapist who is listed in the national sex offender registry, to work with our female patients who have suffered the brutality of rape."

Also, let's not forget that he had a car accident with the CT girlfriend when he was under house arrest and fled the scene leaving her injured on the side of the road. Oh, and he's smiling in his SO registry picture.
http://www.sor.state.ct.us/pls/sor/wsor$offender.queryview?P_SPBI_ID=432167&Z_CHK=31032

Aint no way in the world any rape crisis center or hospital would ever let him do his community service hours there. I doubt those places allow volunteers doing court-ordered community service at all, much less convicted rapists. Judges think they're so smart when they do that because they believe that they're making some sort of statement about how the perpetrator will have to see the damage he has done and somehow gain empathy for his victims that way; they never think about the fact that they can't foist a sex offender on a non-profit trying to serve people. At any rate, building empathy in sex offenders is one of the most important aspects of sex offender treatment, but it comes from serious treatment and work, not filing papers or emptying the trash at a rape crisis center.

Aint no way in the world any rape crisis center or hospital would ever let him do his community service hours there. I doubt those places allow volunteers doing court-ordered community service at all, much less convicted rapists. Judges think they're so smart when they do that because they believe that they're making some sort of statement about how the perpetrator will have to see the damage he has done and somehow gain empathy for his victims that way; they never think about the fact that they can't foist a sex offender on a non-profit trying to serve people. At any rate, building empathy in sex offenders is one of the most important aspects of sex offender treatment, but it comes from serious treatment and work, not filing papers or emptying the trash at a rape crisis center.

For graduate school we had to do a project and one of the choices was to interview counselors at a rape crisis center or a shelter for women escaping abusive relationships. Our instructor told the men to not bother with those two choices as you won't even be let in. The don't let strange men in. And yes ALex Kelly would have been pre-screened but why would Alex Kelly care on whit about those women? He never believed he did anything wrong and if I were a victim of rape Alex Kelly would be the LAST person I would want in the room with me.

I did hear of one case where a guy beat a kid so badly the boy went partially blind and the offender was sentenced to work a certain amount of time with blind children.

I did hear of one case where a guy beat a kid so badly the boy went partially blind and the offender was sentenced to work a certain amount of time with blind children.
Right. The judge can sentence you to do that type of thing all he or she wants; that doesn't mean a place like that would ever in a million years let someone who was so violent that he beat someone to the point of blindness work around their vulnerable kids. These judges are idiots.

Right. The judge can sentence you to do that type of thing all he or she wants; that doesn't mean a place like that would ever in a million years let someone who was so violent that he beat someone to the point of blindness work around their vulnerable kids. These judges are idiots.

IMO, the judge should have sentenced the abuser to plenty of jail time.

Rather than sentencing him to work with blind children, so the perp can learn to empathize by "feeling their pain", why didn't the judge sentence the guy to 6 months of blindness? Makes more sense to me. Blind fold him 24/7 and let him really "feel their pain".

(Yes, I know I'm wicked and evil, but hey, somebody's gotta do it.) ;)

For graduate school we had to do a project and one of the choices was to interview counselors at a rape crisis center or a shelter for women escaping abusive relationships. Our instructor told the men to not bother with those two choices as you won't even be let in. The don't let strange men in. And yes ALex Kelly would have been pre-screened but why would Alex Kelly care on whit about those women? He never believed he did anything wrong and if I were a victim of rape Alex Kelly would be the LAST person I would want in the room with me.

Especially since, word on the street is, they had a string of women lined up to press charges if the first two cases weren't convictions.

Especially since, word on the street is, they had a string of women lined up to press charges if the first two cases weren't convictions.

Alex Kelly was the worst stereotype of an entitled preppie rich kid. And his parents (especially the dad) was no better.

I found this info about Alex Kelly. He was released at the end of 2007.Really? Two rapes and he is out of jail?

Really? Two rapes and he is out of jail?

Yep. And don't that just give ya the warm fuzzies...

In my opinion, till someone tells the truth, the Ramseys did, do, and always will look suspicious. Patsy may have done most of it, but at some point John became part of it.

Amen!

Alex Kelly was the worst stereotype of an entitled preppie rich kid. And his parents (especially the dad) was no better.

Really? Two rapes and he is out of jail?

Yep, when the authorities were closing in on him and his passport was running out, he fled to the country with the most favorable extradition treaty he could get to and turned himself in. As a result, a number of charges were dropped.