I don't know if anyone ever does this, but I figure, why not start in 2009!
List all the shows you see cancelled in May and why. NBC will def. have the most due to the 10PM hour going to Jay Leno in the fall.

CBS:
Worst Week
Million Dollar Password (Is Most Likely gone for good now)

The New Adventures of Old Christine - If this gets cancelled, it's cause Rules of Engagement comes back with a bang! If not, we should see 6 comedies (Big Bang Theory, How I Met your Mother, Two and a Half Men, Gary Unmarried, Rules of Engagement) return next season, of course, not including Worst Week.

NBC:
Deal or No Deal (Primetime)

Knight Rider

My Name is Earl

Kath and Kim

Friday Night Lights

Law & Order (there was talk when Jay got picked up for 10pm that this is a possible cancellation. I'm sure SVU is safe).

Kings - I don't see any midseason show for NBC making it to next season, besides the possiblity of John Well's, Southland.

FOX:
Prision Break (Cancelled already)

Sarah Connor (Most Likely since sent to the Friday night death slot)

Til Death - Although it's been renewed for an additional 22 episode 4th season, making its grand total of episodes yet to air 37, I think FOX might just burn it off in the summer so they can sell the show to syndication.

ABC:
Scrubs - New fan, seen alot...shouldn't continue without JD.
According to Jim (CANCELLED).

The CW:
One tree hill
Everybody Hates Chris
The Game

ABC:

Scrubs: I don't think it will be able to hold onto the numbers ABC wants to keep it going another season, even w/out Zack Braff.

Private Practice: i don't see this show making it another season

Pushing Dasisies: it's already decided basically

Eli Stone: it's a goner

Dirty Sexy Money: already cancelled


CBS:

Worst Week: it's such a low rated show

NBC:

Knight Rider: nothing can save this show

Kath & Kim: a disaster on every level

My Name Is Earl

Chuck: it's ratings get worse each week

My Own worst enemy: already cancelled


FOX:

Prison Break: already cancelled

Fringe: people are already over it

Dollhouse: this one looks like a loser

Til Death: if there is any justice at all

CW:
Priviliged: nobody could call this show a hit

90210: if the ratings keep declining it's all but canned by the summer

Supernatural: can't believe it's still on

One Tree Hill: please stop already

I was so looking forward to one of my old fave game shows coming back (Password), then, they ruin it by adding Regis Philbin and make it more like "Who wants to be a millionaire"....FANS OF PASSWORD WANT TO WATCH THE GAME, NOT THE "MONEY ROUND"!!!!!!!!! :mad:

FANS OF PASSWORD WANT TO WATCH THE GAME, NOT THE "MONEY ROUND"!!!!!!!!! :mad:

I agree 1000% I don't care for the new password they lost the formula of the orginal. There's no time for small chat in this one.

Let's see ...

ABC: Desperate Housewives, Wife Swap
CBS: Big Brother, Eleventh Hour, Rules of Engagement, Two and a Half Men
NBC: Fear Itself
FOX: American Dad, Family Guy, Fringe, The Simpsons
CW: Gossip Girl, 90210
MyNetworkTV: WWE Friday Night Smackdown!

That's all I can think of at the moment.

Let's see ...

ABC: Desperate Housewives, Wife Swap
CBS: Big Brother, Eleventh Hour, Two and a Half Men
NBC: Fear Itself
FOX: American Dad, Family Guy, Fringe, The Simpsons
CW: Gossip Girl, 90210
MyNetworkTV: WWE Friday Night Smackdown!

That's all I can think of at the moment.


There's no way Family Guy should be on a cancellation list.

I agree 1000% I don't care for the new password they lost the formula of the orginal. There's no time for small chat in this one.
Today's producers totally miss the boat. They take out everything that made the previous incarnations so much fun. :mad:

I like this thread! Interesting to see what everyone predicts will get canned.

CBS:
Worst Week is definitely a goner. Last airing it only got 10 mil. compared to Men's 17 mil. That kind of retention makes it one of the biggest losers of the week. And knowing Nina Tassler, she won't officially cancel it until May, but you gotta know its chances at renewal are slim.

I still don't get MDP. It was getting 10 million for its 2 airings on Sundays - even with the low demo, I still don't see why it was pulled. I don't think it's done, though. They could be saving it for summer.

I think Old Christine and Gary Unmarried are still up in the air (who knows - CBS could end up canning both in May). Old Christine can obviously pull in more viewers, but Gary Unmarried can pull in a slightly better demo. This week, Christine and GU went up against Idol for the first time, and both held their own very well. But, Christine pulled in more viewers at 8pm than GU at 8:30. Things like that could make CBS go in favor of Gary Unmarried.

And then there's the ROE factor - if it does well, then it'll be back in the fall. If it doesn't do so hot, things could be switched up by May.

Eleventh Hour and The Unit are also in trouble - I think this will end up being The Unit's last season, maybe with Eleventh Hour coming back next midseason.


ABC:
According to Jim is a goner. And ABC just about announced this to be Scrub's last season. True Beauty will probably get cancelled in May as well. I think everything else is a toss-up, though - the midseason dramas could all do well, or all bomb. Life on Mars could come back strong out of Lost, or it could not.

Here's what I think: I think all there current shows besides the 2 comedies are pretty good for safe next season. 1 or 2 of the midseason dramas will probably get canned, though.


NBC:
My Own Worst Enemy, Knight Rider, and Kath and Kim are pretty good for being goners. Hitting series lows all season, this will probably be My Name is Earl's last season. Life will also probably get cancelled, although it has a 50:50 chance. There's been some talk of Lipstick Jungle making a possible return, but even though the demo for the show is always decent, it's like Swingtown - good demo, loyal fanbase, but no renewal. Friday Night Lights is also a goner. It's had too many chances, but low premiere numbers last night.

Not sure about Law and Order - it still does decent for them. They could bring it back for midseason or as a back-up series. Chuck is pretty safe - good demo, and decent overall ratings. Biggest Loser and SVU are definitely safe. The Apprentice will probably be back next season as well. Not sure about the midseason dramas. Medium will probably be back.


FOX:
Til Death will probably be burned off either this summer or even next summer. Isn't there something like 40 episodes now to burn off? They have something like 20 in the can, and I doubt they could film 20 episodes by summer, so FOX could air 20 this summer, and 20 next summer, and call it quits.

Prison Break is done. Sarah Conner is definitely a goner. Fringe isn't looking too promising at this point, and neither is Dollhouse. Besides that, everything else should be safe.

I agree 1000% I don't care for the new password they lost the formula of the orginal. There's no time for small chat in this one.

I think you hit the nail on the head on this one. I was disappointed to hear CBS pulled this one, but I don't think I'll cry a river if it never comes back.
Watching the Best of Password DVD makes it all so clear on why the original worked and why that format ran so long.

Today's producers totally miss the boat. They take out everything that made the previous incarnations so much fun. :mad:


every since Millionaire reignited prime time game shows a few years back, it seems every game show revival (or even new ones) has to be a variation on the Millionaire formula --big flashy, space age set, big money prize, variations on the lifelines.

every since Millionaire reignited prime time game shows a few years back, it seems every game show revival (or even new ones) has to be a variation on the Millionaire formula --big flashy, space age set, big money prize, variations on the lifelines.
Yes - that's why they all seem the same. :mad:

Let's see ...

ABC: Desperate Housewives, Wife Swap
CBS: Big Brother, Eleventh Hour, Rules of Engagement, Two and a Half Men
NBC: Fear Itself
FOX: American Dad, Family Guy, Fringe, The Simpsons
CW: Gossip Girl, 90210
MyNetworkTV: WWE Friday Night Smackdown!

That's all I can think of at the moment.

Desperate Housewives definetly will not be cancelled this year. in fact as of right now it looks as though ABC is going to convince Mark Cherry to extend the shows contract through the 2011-2012 season.

Wife Swap could be cancelled, same with Supernanny.

Two and a half men is the highest rated comedy on TV it's safe.

Yes - that's why they all seem the same. :mad:

and they all stink.

you know what game show i want to see them make a new version of... The 100,00 dollar Pyramid. I LOVED that show, i loved watching reruns of the 70's/80's version and the more recent 90's remake with Donny Osmond. I'd love to see this done in primetime, but please with anyone but Regis hosting.

and they all stink.

you know what game show i want to see them make a new version of... The 100,00 dollar Pyramid. I LOVED that show, i loved watching reruns of the 70's/80's version and the more recent 90's remake with Donny Osmond. I'd love to see this done in primetime, but please with anyone but Regis hosting.
I liked Donny's version of Pyramid. I'm really not a big game show person, but I was a BIG fan of The Weakest Link, especially the syndicated version with George Gray. I even have an autographed picture of him! :D

Desperate Housewives definetly will not be cancelled this year. in fact as of right now it looks as though ABC is going to convince Mark Cherry to extend the shows contract through the 2011-2012 season.

Uh, Marcia Cross will be 50 then.

I liked Donny's version of Pyramid. I'm really not a big game show person, but I was a BIG fan of The Weakest Link, especially the syndicated version with George Gray. I even have an autographed picture of him! :D

I was a HUGE fan of The Weakest Link. It really didn't last that long, though. The syndication version was okay, but it wasn't as good without Ann whats-her-name as host.

I was a HUGE fan of The Weakest Link. It really didn't last that long, though. The syndication version was okay, but it wasn't as good without Ann whats-her-name as host.
Anne Robinson.

Uh, Marcia Cross will be 50 then.

I don't see what that has to do with anything...

Let's see ...

ABC: Desperate Housewives, Wife Swap
CBS: Big Brother, Eleventh Hour, Rules of Engagement, Two and a Half Men
NBC: Fear Itself
FOX: American Dad, Family Guy, Fringe, The Simpsons
CW: Gossip Girl, 90210
MyNetworkTV: WWE Friday Night Smackdown!

That's all I can think of at the moment.

Big Brother is a summer show, which is incredibly cheap for CBS to produce and still brings in enough ratings for them. Can't see it going anywhere yet.

Big Brother is a summer show, which is incredibly cheap for CBS to produce and still brings in enough ratings for them. Can't see it going anywhere yet.


Neither can I. And they do switch it up a bit each season to keep it fresh. I still watch it and know others who do too. Not as good as some of the others, but certainly better than others I can't believe are still on, like The Bachelor. It's great for the summer too as a temp replacement.


Yah, and note to James, there is a whole generation over 40 ya know that still consider themselves not too old to appreciate a 50 yr old who looks great. And not for her age - just looks great. I can't wait for you to catch up and we'll see what you think then. ;)

Anne Robinson.

That's her name. She really was terrific as host - too bad it didn't last too long in primetime. They ended up going with all the celebrity editions, which IMO killed it.

I was going to say the same thing - no way is Desperate Housewives going anywhere. Unless ratings really take a dive, it's pretty much got 9 seasons guaranteed.

Big Brother is also a show that will probably be around a couple more years, if not more. It's cheap, and gets good ratings while filling CBS's holes in the summer.

Two and a Half Men will be around for a long time to come still. #1 sitcom means something nowadays. And Gossip Girl? Dawn Ostroff is like in love with the show - it already has a spinoff in the works-LOL. James, your list looks a little distorted there.

I was going to say the same thing - no way is Desperate Housewives going anywhere. Unless ratings really take a dive, it's pretty much got 9 seasons guaranteed.

Big Brother is also a show that will probably be around a couple more years, if not more. It's cheap, and gets good ratings while filling CBS's holes in the summer.

Two and a Half Men will be around for a long time to come still. #1 sitcom means something nowadays. And Gossip Girl? Dawn Ostroff is like in love with the show - it already has a spinoff in the works-LOL. James, your list looks a little distorted there.

Yah, I thought Two and a Half Men was still popular. Once Jake grows another year, it may change, but for now, they still have fresh shows on and are funny. Hell, we have so little in the way of really good sitcoms, they can't wipe out everything.

That's her name. She really was terrific as host - too bad it didn't last too long in primetime. They ended up going with all the celebrity editions, which IMO killed it.
Yes it did - plus they had a show with all Playboy Playmates, then all Elvis impersonators (?). Having said that, I DID like the Brady Bunch show, the Star Trek show and the all-TV moms version.

Yes it did - plus they had a show with all Playboy Playmates, then all Elvis impersonators (?). Having said that, I DID like the Brady Bunch show, the Star Trek show and the all-TV moms version.

Yeah, some of those celebrity versions were really out there, and unnecessary.

The Brady Bunch one was good - nice to see the cast together for an episode (including Cousin Oliver-LOL, which Ann got some good cracks in about). I always just liked the regular episodes with regular contestants best, though. The syndicated version was okay, but they should have kept it an hour.

^ "Julie, you ARE the Weakest Link. GOODBYE!!"

MyNetworkTV: WWE Friday Night Smackdown!




Smackdown is bringing in the highest ratings MyNetwork has yet seen. It's not going anywhere, as much as some folks would like it to disappear.

I definitely think Scrubs is done for (no Zach Braff = no ratings), and agree with most of what folks think is going on NBC (Chuck, L&O, My Own Worst Enemy[actually thought that was gone already!], kath & kim, etc.) but I fear that we might lose Heroes as well. Which would be unfortunate.

As for the rest of the schedule... well, I have no faith in Fox, ABC or NBC to keep anything of any quality, and I don't really SEE anything of true quality on CBS or the CW, so...

^ "Julie, you ARE the Weakest Link. GOODBYE!!"

:lol: Her face could give young children nightmares :D :lol:

Smackdown is bringing in the highest ratings MyNetwork has yet seen. It's not going anywhere, as much as some folks would like it to disappear.

I definitely think Scrubs is done for (no Zach Braff = no ratings), and agree with most of what folks think is going on NBC (Chuck, L&O, My Own Worst Enemy[actually thought that was gone already!], kath & kim, etc.) but I fear that we might lose Heroes as well. Which would be unfortunate.

As for the rest of the schedule... well, I have no faith in Fox, ABC or NBC to keep anything of any quality, and I don't really SEE anything of true quality on CBS or the CW, so...

I definitely agree on Smackdown. it's because of that MyNetworkTV is even on the map. CW was very stupid to let go of that one.

:lol: Her face could give young children nightmares :D :lol:
:rofl: Grown-ups, too!!

Two and a Half men is guaranteed 9 seasons. It was announced on Thanksgiving weekend on Entertainment Weekly's website. Chuck isn't going anywhere either. Ratings are solid compared to many other NBC shows and NBC does nothing but rave about it. 7.5 million average is actually quite good for the NBC at this point. I think whats killing these shows in the ratings is CBS, and next year, NBC needs to break the mold. Move their comedies and put Chuck and Heroes (if they keep Heroes) on Thursday's to see if it works. I think NBC's best bet is putting their comedies Tuesdays, where the least comedy is seen on network tv.

BTW, never imagined this thread getting so much buzz ;)

Two and a Half Men will be around for a long time to come still. #1 sitcom means something nowadays.

Agreed.

I think NBC and the CW will def. end up with the most cancellations this season.

CW 90210

Agreed.

I think NBC and the CW will def. end up with the most cancellations this season.
To tell the truth, I'm surprised the CW is still around. :eek:

Two and a half men is the highest rated comedy on TV it's safe.

I thought sitcoms were dead. Or so the doomsayers have us believe. Is "TAAHM" even in the Top 10? Top 100?

I thought sitcoms were dead. Or so the doomsayers have us believe. Is "TAAHM" even in the Top 10? Top 100?
It comes in at #11 of the top 100 shows. So yes, it's indeed a hit!

It comes in at #11 of the top 100 shows. So yes, it's indeed a hit!
I think CBS is the only network that really has success with sitcoms these days. Farm it out, people!!

I think CBS is the only network that really has success with sitcoms these days. Farm it out, people!!

IMO, CBS is the best network around - they actually know how to have successful shows with variety in their schedule. Their entire schedule produces very good and solid ratings, with very few weak spots. That's what I hate most about American Idol. It makes CBS become the #2 network, where there's no way FOX deserves to be #1.

ABC has good ratings, but its only because of a few shows, mainly Grey's Anatomy and Desperate Housewives. NBC is really in turmoil. They need to turn things around fast, or I really don't see them going on much longer.

But in the sitcom department, CBS definitely holds the reign. I think we may see ABC turn out a few modest sitcoms next season, though. NBC needs to ditch the single-cam format and go for mulit-cam again. It seems to be coming back strong.

Agreed.

Multi-Cam comedies are def. making a return. This is why, even though I am not a fan of 'Christine', I still pull for it and hope it gets a renewal this year, same goes for Gary, although, that I am a fan of. I also hope Rules of Engagement does well enough to return. The show deserves a full season, FOR ONCE! Two seasons of a total 22 episodes is not good at all!

Agreed.

Multi-Cam comedies are def. making a return. This is why, even though I am not a fan of 'Christine', I still pull for it and hope it gets a renewal this year, same goes for Gary, although, that I am a fan of. I also hope Rules of Engagement does well enough to return. The show deserves a full season, FOR ONCE! Two seasons of a total 22 episodes is not good at all!

I agree completely - it's the opposite for me, though. I am a fan of Christine, but not so much of Gary's, yet I'd like to see both get renewed, just so CBS can continue to broaden their horizons in the sitcom department.

Multi-cams are definitely coming back big. It's one reason why I don't understand why NBC continues to stick with these bad single-cam shows (ala Kath & Kim). They'd be much more successful going back to their old days of must-see TV and multi-cam sitcoms. "Comedy Done Right" isn't cutting it.

I agree completely - it's the opposite for me, though. I am a fan of Christine, but not so much of Gary's, yet I'd like to see both get renewed, just so CBS can continue to broaden their horizons in the sitcom department.

Multi-cams are definitely coming back big. It's one reason why I don't understand why NBC continues to stick with these bad single-cam shows (ala Kath & Kim). They'd be much more successful going back to their old days of must-see TV and multi-cam sitcoms. "Comedy Done Right" isn't cutting it.

I totally agree. But I also think its time to take the network in a new direction, considering this one ain't working, and switch the schedule up a bit. I know many won't agree, but I think their sitcoms would do better on another night. I think Tuesdays would work fantastic --- as next year, without Scrubs or According to Jim, we are left with no sitcom viewer competition. NBC would be the only netowrk doing comedy on Tuesdays. And I think it's time to give Thursday night done-right, to a new generation of shows (aka Chuck and Heroes). I honestly believe this would work out better. I think next year, NBC might be a totally reinvented network;

Monday -
8:00 | The Biggest Loser
9:00 | Law & Order: SVU

Tuesday -
08:00 | New Comedy
08:30 | New Comedy
09:00 | The Office
09:30 | 30 Rock

Wednesday -
08:00 | Law & Order
09:00 | Southland (New Drama from creators of E.R... if it makes the cut)

Thursday -
8:00 | Chuck
9:00 | Heroes (or other show if cancelled)

Friday -
08:00 | Medium
09:00 | Deal or No Deal

I also think that they make step up the weekend programming. I'm telling ya, even if the above is totally wrong, I'm thinking we see a reinvented network next year. That is, if A) Silverman wises up or B) Silverman is axed.

I think NBC has a lot of new options for next season. I do think that moving the comedies to a new night is a good idea, but there are a few exceptions. Next fall, ABC will likely have a few new sitcoms, including both the new Patricia Heaton and the new Kelsey Grammar sitcoms, which would most likely end up on Tuesday nights (that's ABC's favorite night for comedy). A good idea might even been to spread out the comedy - maybe leave Thursdays at 8pm open to the single-cam comedy, and maybe Tuesdays at 8pm open to new multi-cam sitcoms. Here's a sked I'd do for NBC next fall:

Mondays:
8pm Medium
9pm Law and Order: SVU

Tuesdays:
8pm New multi-cam comedy
8:30 New multi-cam comedy
9pm Biggest Loser

Wednesdays:
8pm Law and Order (considering CBS keeps this hour open to their comedies next season)
9pm Heroes

Thursdays:
8pm Chuck
9pm The Office
9:30 30 Rock
(I'd leave the comedies at 9pm, since they really do hold up decently against CSI and GA, especially in the demo)

Fridays:
8pm Deal or no Deal, or Howie Do It
9pm Maybe Life, if NBC still wants it, or even a new drama

Sundays:
8pm New drama
9pm Southland (this looks to be the most promising of the new midseason dramas)

NBC's going to have a hard time coming up with a good schedule for next season. But, they also have to try - this season, they seemed to give up early. They need to be more agressive in their scheduling.

I think NBC has a lot of new options for next season. I do think that moving the comedies to a new night is a good idea, but there are a few exceptions. Next fall, ABC will likely have a few new sitcoms, including both the new Patricia Heaton and the new Kelsey Grammar sitcoms, which would most likely end up on Tuesday nights (that's ABC's favorite night for comedy). A good idea might even been to spread out the comedy - maybe leave Thursdays at 8pm open to the single-cam comedy, and maybe Tuesdays at 8pm open to new multi-cam sitcoms. Here's a sked I'd do for NBC next fall:

Mondays:
8pm Medium
9pm Law and Order: SVU

Tuesdays:
8pm New multi-cam comedy
8:30 New multi-cam comedy
9pm Biggest Loser

Wednesdays:
8pm Law and Order (considering CBS keeps this hour open to their comedies next season)
9pm Heroes

Thursdays:
8pm Chuck
9pm The Office
9:30 30 Rock
(I'd leave the comedies at 9pm, since they really do hold up decently against CSI and GA, especially in the demo)

Fridays:
8pm Deal or no Deal, or Howie Do It
9pm Maybe Life, if NBC still wants it, or even a new drama

Sundays:
8pm New drama
9pm Southland (this looks to be the most promising of the new midseason dramas)

NBC's going to have a hard time coming up with a good schedule for next season. But, they also have to try - this season, they seemed to give up early. They need to be more agressive in their scheduling.

I like how you've spaced out the comedies, which is a smart move if they only have 4 next year. But I think keeping Chuck and Heroes together is a must, because they reach the same demographic. I think either one would also work well paired up with DOND.

P.S. Julie, don't forget, they'll still need space in there for new shows, now that I think of it, and the likely to be cancelled first are midseason dramas, Deal or No Deal, and the original Law & Order...at least, according to hype.

I like how you've spaced out the comedies, which is a smart move if they only have 4 next year. But I think keeping Chuck and Heroes together is a must, because they reach the same demographic. I think either one would also work well paired up with DOND.

Chuck and Heroes do very well together, and their demos are still very good together. But, I only split them up because I thought Chuck would go better with the comedies on Thursday, and Heroes doing better against CBS's low-demo procedurals on Wednesdays.

If NBC still wants DOND around weekly next season, it would probably be on Fridays, and I'd hate to see either show go to Fridays.

P.S. Julie, don't forget, they'll still need space in there for new shows, now that I think of it, and the likely to be cancelled first are midseason dramas, Deal or No Deal, and the original Law & Order...at least, according to hype.

I thought of the same thing - but honestly, the way they're going, I doubt they'll be getting many new pilot scripts for next season. They may bring in a few new shows. They should concentrate on getting 2 new sitcoms for next season, and maybe a new drama or 2. They still have Sundays open, too, for next fall .

I'm still holding out hope for Law and Order - as long as it isn't placed against a CBS procedural, it does very well still - it got 10-12 million for a couple airings this season when CBS wasn't airing CSI: NY. Like I said before, it should be kept at least for back-up.

I thought of the same thing - but honestly, the way they're going, I doubt they'll be getting many new pilot scripts for next season. They may bring in a few new shows. They should concentrate on getting 2 new sitcoms for next season, and maybe a new drama or 2. They still have Sundays open, too, for next fall .

I'm still holding out hope for Law and Order - as long as it isn't placed against a CBS procedural, it does very well still - it got 10-12 million for a couple airings this season when CBS wasn't airing CSI: NY. Like I said before, it should be kept at least for back-up.

Oh, I agree. I think this show would be great as a mid-season replacement. Hey, 18 episodes a year ain't too shabby ;)

But I just can't watch it with Anthony Anderson.

LOL.

I'm glad there are still high hopes for Chuck. All it gets is praise from the network and critics. It deserves a third, fourth and fifth season ;)

Chuck and Heroes do very well together, and their demos are still very good together. But, I only split them up because I thought Chuck would go better with the comedies on Thursday, and Heroes doing better against CBS's low-demo procedurals on Wednesdays.

If NBC still wants DOND around weekly next season, it would probably be on Fridays, and I'd hate to see either show go to Fridays.

Now that I think about it, your totally right. Fridays at 9 = the death slot!

I don't know though, with the treatment Medium gets, would anyone be surprised if it got canned?

They still have Sundays open, too, for next fall .Sundays in fall will still be football.

Now that I think about it, your totally right. Fridays at 9 = the death slot!

I don't know though, with the treatment Medium gets, would anyone be surprised if it got canned?

On NBC it is. At least Howie Do It is pulling in decent numbers on Fridays so far. Maybe Howie Do it at 8pm, Deal at 9pm?

As much as I love Medium, I wouldn't be surprised to see NBC can it at all. It's been a midseason show basically its entire run. It's always done decent numbers - 12-14 million up to last season, where it was getting 9-10 million after moving it to Wednesdays. If NBC were smart though, they'd renew it. I guess it depends on how well it can do in February. I just don't see what they have against this show. They'd rather keep Momma's Boys on the schedule than Medium.

Oh, I agree. I think this show would be great as a mid-season replacement. Hey, 18 episodes a year ain't too shabby ;)

But I just can't watch it with Anthony Anderson.

LOL.

I'm glad there are still high hopes for Chuck. All it gets is praise from the network and critics. It deserves a third, fourth and fifth season ;)

I haven't watched Law & Order in a few years. But, I always hate to see shows doing respectable ratings get canned, no matter what show it is. It's been the air for 20 years, but still deserves to come back sometime next season. Like you said, even if its for just 18 episodes, even less, it'll still do well.

And catsrule, I forgot all about that. If they do have any new dramas then, they may have to wait until January. Or, they could go to one of the open slots in the fall schedule, maybe Fridays? If Celebrity Apprentice returns to good ratings this February, that'll be another option.

Chuck will definitely be back. NBC likes this show. It hasn't done great this season, but for NBC, it's definitely done well.

Isn't NBC really interested in trying to get L&O to break the dramatic series record held by Gunsmoke?

Isn't NBC really interested in trying to get L&O to break the dramatic series record held by Gunsmoke?
I think Dick Wolf is more interested in that record than NBC!! :lol:

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I also think that they make step up the weekend programming. I'm telling ya, even if the above is totally wrong, I'm thinking we see a reinvented network next year. That is, if A) Silverman wises up or B) Silverman is axed.


doesn't anybody else smell the irony that the two periods in NBC's history where it was a loser network, a man named Silverman was in charge??

:lol:

Isn't NBC really interested in trying to get L&O to break the dramatic series record held by Gunsmoke?

People have been saying this for years - but honestly, I think NBC could care less about breaking the 20 season of Gunsmoke. And even if the show did go to 21 episodes, Gunsmoke would still hold the record for all-time number of episodes, WAY more than Law and Order (considering seasons back then had 30+ episodes).

The fact is, the show still pulls in some of NBC's best ratings. Getting viewers seems to be hard for them to do, and Law and Order can still do it.

Oh I agree with you, Julie. Episode output is still the measure of success. Besides 20 full seasons is what Gunsmoke had......Law & Order has one season as a midseason replacement. But I was curious if NBC wanted to see that record go.

People have been saying this for years - but honestly, I think NBC could care less about breaking the 20 season of Gunsmoke. And even if the show did go to 21 episodes, Gunsmoke would still hold the record for all-time number of episodes, WAY more than Law and Order (considering seasons back then had 30+ episodes).

The fact is, the show still pulls in some of NBC's best ratings. Getting viewers seems to be hard for them to do, and Law and Order can still do it.


Besides, Fox is very quietly breaking that season record with a little show call The Simpsons. Maybe you've heard of it? LOL!!!

Besides, Fox is very quietly breaking that season record with a little show call The Simpsons. Maybe you've heard of it? LOL!!!

That's true, too. Still, neither show will even come close to the record of episodes Gunsmoke episode.

I still don't see why The Simpsons is sticking around. I wish FOX would just put it out of its misery. It isn't delivering like it once used to. But isn't it already guaranteed like 3 more years?

Uh, Marcia Cross will be 50 then.

Well she still looks great and i have no doubt that in two years from now she'll still look great!

let's put it this way "Desperate Housewives' is still a Top 10 series, among the highest rated shows on television and among ABC's biggest hits. ABC had a great development season in the 04-05 season and got Desperate Housewives, Grey's Anatomy, Boston Legal and LOST. since then they have only been able to develope a few shows that can be considered hits and they would be very stupid to let "Desperate Housewives" go off the air while it's still a top 10 series that still wins it's timeslot and sometimes even beats Football.

Though Marc Cherry originally stated the show would end in the 2009-2010 season it looks like ABC and him are more than ready to sign on for a few more seasons.

Here are a few articles stating that pretty much:

http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/hr/content_display/film/news/e3i2079648bd224e2c8c7361a63003ed99e (this article actually seems to say that the show could last longer than two more years and could stay on as long as three more seasons; through season 9, right now they are in season 6).

Oh I agree with you, Julie. Episode output is still the measure of success. Besides 20 full seasons is what Gunsmoke had......Law & Order has one season as a midseason replacement. But I was curious if NBC wanted to see that record go.

I think it's probrally Dick Wolf that wants to break the record, not NBC.

I think CBS is the only network that really has success with sitcoms these days. Farm it out, people!!

Well CBS is really the only place that is airing traditional three-camera sitcoms these days. NBC only has one-camera shows, ABC only has "Samantha Who" but that may be a one-camera show too, and FOX doesn't care about sitcoms either. they cancel them after three episodes (remember Unhitched? Do Not Disturb?)

Well CBS is really the only place that is airing traditional three-camera sitcoms these days. NBC only has one-camera shows, ABC only has "Samantha Who" but that may be a one-camera show too, and FOX doesn't care about sitcoms either. they cancel them after three episodes (remember Unhitched? Do Not Disturb?)
There's a reason for those cancellations, lmao. But FOX had no reason to cancel Back to you.

There's a reason for those cancellations, lmao. But FOX had no reason to cancel Back to you.
Back To You should still be on the air!! :mad:

Back To You should still be on the air!! :mad:

Back to You should've been able to produce all 24 first season episodes, finish airing them over the summer, and returned in January after American Idol for a second season. Back to back episodes this year would've been a dream, especially if the season was 24 episodes.
At least we'll always have the DVD!

Back to You should've been able to produce all 24 first season episodes, finish airing them over the summer, and returned in January after American Idol for a second season. Back to back episodes this year would've been a dream, especially if the season was 24 episodes.
At least we'll always have the DVD!
Yes, we'll always have our memories. :D No, no, FOX can't take that away from us!! :lol:

There's a reason for those cancellations, lmao. But FOX had no reason to cancel Back to you.

yes they did. several in fact: The ratings were low, the cast cost too much to keep and the fact is that it didnt' really fit with FOX's other programming.

yes they did. several in fact: The ratings were low, the cast cost too much to keep and the fact is that it didnt' really fit with FOX's other programming.

I don't want to start a dilemma, but Back to You's ratings were not by any means low. Low ratings these days are 5 mil. and under. It's ratings were modest, and slowly growing before the strike hit it. It's cancellation was by all means premature. It was never given a chance, and Kevin Reilly was an idiot for cancelling it.

On a different note, NBC is going to have a tough time come February. Chuck may be in trouble once again - it should get good ratings for its hyped up 3-D episodes, but besides that, it's got House and BBT/HIMYM, which are proving to be some of this season's strongest shows. Heroes and Medium should be okay - but Heroes really needs to pick things up. I'd love to see Medium outrate Heroes.

I don't want to start a dilemma, but Back to You's ratings were not by any means low. Low ratings these days are 5 mil. and under. It's ratings were modest, and slowly growing before the strike hit it. It's cancellation was by all means premature. It was never given a chance, and Kevin Reilly was an idiot for cancelling it.

On a different note, NBC is going to have a tough time come February. Chuck may be in trouble once again - it should get good ratings for its hyped up 3-D episodes, but besides that, it's got House and BBT/HIMYM, which are proving to be some of this season's strongest shows. Heroes and Medium should be okay - but Heroes really needs to pick things up. I'd love to see Medium outrate Heroes.

BTY was a show that was supposed be FOX's next big hit, it was supposed become a critically acclaimed show that would help FOX win Emmy after Emmy, but guess what? it stunk, the reviews were awful, the ratings only modest (and that's being nice) and it wasn't going to give FOX the ratings and critical support it had hoped for. Basically nobody cared for it. The cancellation was totally justified. I honestly don't believe the show was that good nor do i believe it's cancellation was anything short of totally justified.

Now look at a show like "The Class" on CBS a few years ago and that's a show that never got a fair shake.

^ I still think BTY wasn't given a fair shake. Though I wish more emphasis had been put on the newsroom and less on Chuck and Kelly's daughter - I think there were lots of good ideas that were never realized. Well, it's a moot point now. :(

On a different note, NBC is going to have a tough time come February. Chuck may be in trouble once again - it should get good ratings for its hyped up 3-D episodes, but besides that, it's got House and BBT/HIMYM, which are proving to be some of this season's strongest shows. Heroes and Medium should be okay - but Heroes really needs to pick things up. I'd love to see Medium outrate Heroes.

Oh geez, just realized it!!! Yikes! NBC, time to give it a new slot or better yet, take my advice and flip Mondays and Thursdays now!

Oh geez, just realized it!!! Yikes! NBC, time to give it a new slot or better yet, take my advice and flip Mondays and Thursdays now!

After seeing how well CBS and FOX did in the slot on Monday, Chuck could get some of its lowest ratings yet. I don't even want to know what would happen when Dancing with the Stars comes back in March. I think NBC should look for a new spot for this show. NBC should consider doing some rescheduling - Law and Order would go good Mondays at 9pm (where it isn't against a procedural), and maybe Chuck could go to Wednesdays.

I agree, Monika.

And what about the strike? That complete killed momentum for the show. After hitting a low point in the mid 6-mils, it was climbing the ratings for the next 4 episodes, hitting 7.5 mil. before the strike hit it. Nowadays, especially for a network like FOX in the fall, 7.5 million is a stable hit. They don't have many shows in the fall that can get past 7 million, but BTY could do it. Not only that, but it did it on its own, without any help.

Whether or not it was supposed to be "FOX's next big hit" is besides the point. It had high hopes, and it only did modestly, but I still think it was a good show, with many ideas that never made it to tape, and it deserved at least a full season.

The Class was an okay show, but please explain to me, factsoflife, how it never got a fair shake? It was on CBS's Monday night lineup, the ultimate for today's sitcoms.

After seeing how well CBS and FOX did in the slot on Monday, Chuck could get some of its lowest ratings yet. I don't even want to know what would happen when Dancing with the Stars comes back in March. I think NBC should look for a new spot for this show. NBC should consider doing some rescheduling - Law and Order would go good Mondays at 9pm (where it isn't against a procedural), and maybe Chuck could go to Wednesdays.

Crap, now I'm panicking!

Chuck is the only show on NBC that's worth a damn.

NBC should really do some major rescheduling last year. They have to counterprogram, instead of program along with the other networks. Chuck on Mondays probably appeals to a lot of the same viewers that are watching House and Chuck, even Dancing with the Stars in the slot. I think Wednesdays or Thursdays would be a good option for the show, especially for next fall (assuming the show comes back).

I agree, Monika.

And what about the strike? That complete killed momentum for the show. After hitting a low point in the mid 6-mils, it was climbing the ratings for the next 4 episodes, hitting 7.5 mil. before the strike hit it. Nowadays, especially for a network like FOX in the fall, 7.5 million is a stable hit. They don't have many shows in the fall that can get past 7 million, but BTY could do it. Not only that, but it did it on its own, without any help.

Whether or not it was supposed to be "FOX's next big hit" is besides the point. It had high hopes, and it only did modestly, but I still think it was a good show, with many ideas that never made it to tape, and it deserved at least a full season.

The Class was an okay show, but please explain to me, factsoflife, how it never got a fair shake? It was on CBS's Monday night lineup, the ultimate for today's sitcoms.
You're so right, Julie - any momentum BTY was gaining was completely killed by the strike. With lead actors like Kelsey Grammer and Patricia Heaton, supporting actors like Fred Willard and Ty Burrell, and behind the scenes talent like James Burrows and Christopher Lloyd, FOX should've given it another chance. Idiots!! :mad:

You're so right, Julie - any momentum BTY was gaining was completely killed by the strike. With lead actors like Kelsey Grammer and Patricia Heaton, supporting actors like Fred Willard and Ty Burrell, and behind the scenes talent like James Burrows and Christopher Lloyd, FOX should've given it another chance. Idiots!! :mad:

At least a full season. It had 1 strike-shortened season, with 3 unaired episodes and a fantastic cast and crew. It deserved 1 full season. Who knows what could have happened to BTY - but that's the sad thing. We'll never know.

And it didn't help that Kevin Reilly hated the show.

At least a full season. It had 1 strike-shortened season, with 3 unaired episodes and a fantastic cast and crew. It deserved 1 full season. Who knows what could have happened to BTY - but that's the sad thing. We'll never know.

And it didn't help that Kevin Reilly hated the show.
Who's Kevin Reilly?? :confused: :lol:

Who's Kevin Reilly?? :confused: :lol:

LOL - If FOX were smart, that's what people would be saying soon from now.

Seriously, he pretty much ran NBC to the ground (although Silverman isn't making it better), and he's doing he same to FOX. I guess that goes to show what it takes to be a network president nowadays :lol:

LOL - If FOX were smart, that's what people would be saying soon from now.

Seriously, he pretty much ran NBC to the ground (although Silverman isn't making it better), and he's doing he same to FOX. I guess that goes to show what it takes to be a network president nowadays :lol:
Thanks, Julie.

Thanks, Julie.

I just noticed how off-topic this thread became :lol:

I just noticed how off-topic this thread became :lol:
Well, it wouldn't be the first time it's happened. :lol:

LOL - If FOX were smart, that's what people would be saying soon from now.

Seriously, he pretty much ran NBC to the ground (although Silverman isn't making it better), and he's doing he same to FOX. I guess that goes to show what it takes to be a network president nowadays :lol:

Well to be fair NBC was headed towards the crapper for years before Riley got his hands on the network. The fatal flaw in NBC was simple; during the 1990's they were the #1 rated network with hit shows like Friends, Fraser, ER, Will & Grace and so on and didn't use them to develop other hit shows; instead they aired other shows without much quality and let the big shows run the network, when those shows all ended they had nothing to rely on.

Well to be fair NBC was headed towards the crapper for years before Riley got his hands on the network. The fatal flaw in NBC was simple; during the 1990's they were the #1 rated network with hit shows like Friends, Fraser, ER, Will & Grace and so on and didn't use them to develop other hit shows; instead they aired other shows without much quality and let the big shows run the network, when those shows all ended they had nothing to rely on.you are exactly right they became too complaceant

you are exactly right they became too complaceant

definetly. they kept "ER" on Thursday nights for far too long, even after it started to fade in the ratings and critics abandoned it. they should have moved that to another night years ago (it could have helped propel the Friday night schedule to new highs, even if it did only get half the ratings it currently gets---or they could have used it to launch Wed or Tuesday nights, a night they've always struggled with). They used "Will & Grace" to anchor Thursdays after Friends left and provided no oppurtunity for that show to launch a new series; they ordered a bunch of crappy reality shows that did nothing to launch a hit. They moved mildly performing shows like "Newsradio", "Third Watch" and "Just Shoot Me" around the schedule, never allowing them develope audiences and then cancelled them. They failed to allow many of their strongest performing shows to be used as tentpoles or launching points for other shows---they wasted the post-seinfield slot and the post-friends slot for years with horrid shows that weren't worth wasting a primetime slot on....

Really makes you yearn for the glory days of Union Square and Conrad Bloom, doesn't it?? Heck, even Inside Schwartz would've been an improvement. :eek: :lol:

Really makes you yearn for the glory days of Union Square and Conrad Bloom, doesn't it?? Heck, even Inside Schwartz would've been an improvement. :eek: :lol:

Yes it does. hell i even miss Suddenly Susan, Veronica's Closet, Stark Raving Mad and god help us all, i even miss Good Morning, Miami!

Yes it does. hell i even miss Suddenly Susan, Veronica's Closet, Stark Raving Mad and god help us all, i even miss Good Morning, Miami!believe it or not i actully liked good morning miami:eek:

believe it or not i actully liked good morning miami:eek:

turthfully, so did i, jere burns and ashley williams were great.

Yes it does. hell i even miss Suddenly Susan, Veronica's Closet, Stark Raving Mad and god help us all, i even miss Good Morning, Miami!
Wasn't Suzanne Pleshette in Good Morning, Miami?

Yes it does. hell i even miss Suddenly Susan, Veronica's Closet, Stark Raving Mad and god help us all, i even miss Good Morning, Miami!
How about Emeril? :eek: :rofl:

Yes Suzzane Pleshette was in Good Morning Miami.

Wasn't Suzanne Pleshette in Good Morning, Miami?

She was indeed - she played Claire Arnold, the grandmother of the main character, Jake Silver (played by Mark Feuerstein).

Thanks, guys. Didn't Linda Lavin play his grandmother in Conrad Bloom? Which of these shows was Steve Landesberg a regular on?

How about Emeril? :eek: :rofl:

Actually, I thought NBC should have given Emeril Lagasse's sitcom another season or two myself. I remember in the fall of 2001, I would watch "Emeril" on NBC Tuesday nights at 8:00 PM ET, then switch over to FOX to watch "Undeclared" at 8:30 PM ET.

Yeah, "Emeril" & "Undeclared," what a perfect combination, huh? :lol:

Thanks, guys. Didn't Linda Lavin play his grandmother in Conrad Bloom? Which of these shows was Steve Landesberg a regular on?

Actually, Linda was only Conrad's mother on that 1998 NBC sitcom, and Steve Landesberg was also on "Conrad Bloom" in which he played George Dorsey, the adman who still thought he was living in the 70s! :lol:

Actually, Linda was only Conrad's mother on that 1998 NBC sitcom, and Steve Landesberg was also on "Conrad Bloom" in which he played George Dorsey, the adman who still thought he was living in the 70s! :lol:
Thank you, Howie. :D

Wasn't Suzanne Pleshette in Good Morning, Miami?

Yes, i believe she was. she played i think Mark Furienstiens mother or something....

Yes, i believe she was. she played i think Mark Furienstiens mother or something....
I loved that guy. Remember him as Caroline's boyfriend Joe on Caroline in the City? Whatever happened to him, anyway? :confused:

I remember Mark from the sitcom "Fired Up"--watched the reruns on USA.

I remember Mark from the sitcom "Fired Up"--watched the reruns on USA.
I remember that show - starring Sharon Lawrence and a pre-King of Queens Leah Remini.

^ Yeppers.......my fave episode was the one where they fix the clock and bell that's on the roof of the apt/cafe building and poor Sharon & Leah have to endure the constant clockwork noise as well as the hour bongs :lol:

I'm crazy about clocks and bells, so I would love to see this one again.

I loved that guy. Remember him as Caroline's boyfriend Joe on Caroline in the City? Whatever happened to him, anyway? :confused: he was on law and order about 2 seasons ago

Hey, Emeril was a good show that didn't last long enough. It made it in a few editions of my top 100.

he was on law and order about 2 seasons ago
Thanks, I must have missed that episode.

I remember that show - starring Sharon Lawrence and a pre-King of Queens Leah Remini.

yes, i loved that show! too bad NBC didn't show any faith in it and moved it around the schedule until nobody watched it anymore. I loved Francesca Roberts who played the welfare worker, she was hilarious always having to deal with Sharon Lawerence.

I've always liked Mark Fuerinestien, and wish they could find a suitable show for him to star in... he's had several good shows that didn't last "Fired Up, "Conrad Bloom", "Good, Morning Miami" and i'm sure a few others.

^ I've always liked him, too. I just haven't seen him in anything in awhile.

^ I've always liked him, too. I just haven't seen him in anything in awhile.

his last regular series role was in 2007 on "3 LBS", it was a CBS dramadey that lasted less than a season. Since then he's done guest work on "Shark" and "On The Lot" and the movies "Defiance" (with Daniel Craig) and "Royal Pains" . So he has worked but not in anything signifigant in awhile.

He was a cutie, too. I had a bit of a crush on him when he was on Caroline in the City. :D

He was a cutie, too. I had a bit of a crush on him when he was on Caroline in the City. :D

i remember having a crush on him during his "Conrad Bloom" days. I do recall having a major crush on the guy that played Del on Caroline In The City, his name escapes me at the moment...

Eric Lutes - that's another one I haven't seen in ages. Wasn't he in a Cold Case episode a couple of years back?

Thanks, I must have missed that episode. your welcome monika:)

yes, i loved that show! too bad NBC didn't show any faith in it and moved it around the schedule until nobody watched it anymore. I loved Francesca Roberts who played the welfare worker, she was hilarious always having to deal with Sharon Lawerence.

I've always liked Mark Fuerinestien, and wish they could find a suitable show for him to star in... he's had several good shows that didn't last "Fired Up, "Conrad Bloom", "Good, Morning Miami" and i'm sure a few others.
Gosh, I still remember Francesca Roberts from Baby Talk!! :eek: :lol:

Eric Lutes - that's another one I haven't seen in ages.

Ah, Eric Lutes - I remember he played the Olsen Twins' dad in their 2001-02 ABC Family sitcom "So Little Time."

Ah, Eric Lutes - I remember he played the Olsen Twins' dad in their 2001-02 ABC Family sitcom "So Little Time."
Not to mention he played Frasier Crane's friend who was to be fixed up with Daphne - only to reveal that the one he was interested in was Frasier himself!!!

Not to mention he played Frasier Crane's friend who was to be fixed up with Daphne - only to reveal that the one he was interested in was Frasier himself!!!

i remember that episode of Fraiser.

according to imdb his last credit as an actor is a 2006 episode of "Cold Case". too bad he's a great actor.

i remember that episode of Fraiser.

according to imdb his last credit as an actor is a 2006 episode of "Cold Case". too bad he's a great actor.
Wow - I wonder what he's doing now.