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Sharop 01-09-2009, 06:53 PM What are people's thoughts on the Wicca religion? Is anyone here a Wiccan?
I have a lot of respect for the Wiccan religion. My boyfriend used to be a Wiccan; he's now a spiritualist and he's also a medium, which means he can communicate with spirits. We had to put one of our cats to sleep on Christmas Eve and that very night my boyfriend got a message from the cat.
Anyhow, for those who are not familiar with Wicca, it's basically a modern pagan religion (formally established sometime in the 1950s, I believe) which does draw on some aspects of pre-Christian pagan religions, although it is not derived entirely from them.
People sometimes accuse Wiccans of being Devil-worshippers, but that is not the case. Most Wiccans do not believe in Satan at all and most of them are most certainly not evil. They worship a God figure and a Goddess figure and Wicca is fairly nature-based. They often use healing and a lot do make use of spells. My boyfriend still has his wand and spellbooks at home; in fact, he cast a protection spell on me during the summer (before we were going out.)
In general, Wicca is a very open religion, and although I do not plan to enter into it myself, I respect it a great deal. I am a New Age Christian so I have a few beliefs in common with Wiccans - I believe in Jesus Christ and his message of love but I am very much a New Ager. I believe it is all right to communicate with spirits and would like to learn how to do this myself. I believe in the power of positive thinking and affirmation and that we create our own realities. I believe in astral projection, etc, etc. I'm really glad that I found the New Age spiritual system, it's opened me to a lot of stuff.
I have a general interest in all religions and great respect for all of them. And Wicca is something that I find interesting and that I admire.
JamesG 01-09-2009, 09:04 PM Not wanting to get into a debate or meaning to put you down but I find Wicca to be BS.
Until I see some genuine evidence of any form of "spirit communications" I will remain with what I think.
Sharop 01-10-2009, 10:25 AM Until I see some genuine evidence of any form of "spirit communications" I will remain with what I think.
Well, Wicca isn't just about spirit communication, there's a lot more to it than that, but you probably already know that.
My boyfriend is a medium, though - do you think that he's lying about it or do you think he's imagining it?
Even though you think it's crazy, I would stress that Wicca is quite open-minded.
JamesG 01-10-2009, 02:13 PM Well, Wicca isn't just about spirit communication, there's a lot more to it than that, but you probably already know that.
My boyfriend is a medium, though - do you think that he's lying about it or do you think he's imagining it?
Even though you think it's crazy, I would stress that Wicca is quite open-minded.
Listen, you and your boyfriend have the right to say/believe in whatever you want. Not ever having met you or your boyfriend I cannot have much of say when it comes to what he is or isn't lying about. That's for you.
But I will say this, I have the right to think that other people's belief's are ridiculous and from my knowledge on "spirit communications" and mediums what not; it is all crap. If it were true it'd be all over the news.
I think if everyone really wanted to we could all hear voices in our head from our deceased relatives/pets; I've done it before. Does that make me a "medium"? No.
And yes, I am familiar with Wicca and those Neo-Paganism religions.
Brieannas21 01-10-2009, 03:48 PM I have no problem with it, people can practice anything belief or religion they want, as long as they don't hurt others.
I have no problem with it, people can practice anything belief or religion they want, as long as they don't hurt others.
Word.
MonarC 01-10-2009, 03:54 PM I have no problem with it, people can practice anything belief or religion they want, as long as they don't hurt others.
Well said.
Nighthawk76 01-10-2009, 05:19 PM I believe in "spiritual communication" in and of itself. We know very little about the human brain and we also use only a very small percentage of our brains. That being the case, I do believe that such things as ESP are certainly possible. However, for someone to have this ability they would have to have access to a part of the brain that the rest of us don't, which I truly believe that some people do. However, I do not believe that everyone can simply summon such paranormal abilties at will, these are abilities that only certain people have. So though I do believe in paranormal ability I do not really believe in New Age religions. Someone simply can't say that they are going to talk to someone in the spirit world and then it just happens. This being said, I respect everyone's religious beliefs as long as they don't impose their beliefs on others.
HuntingtonM15 01-10-2009, 07:41 PM This being said, I respect everyone's religious beliefs as long as they don't impose their beliefs on others.
That's exactly how I feel. I find it to be annoying when people are pushy about their beliefs.
catlover79 01-10-2009, 07:58 PM That's exactly how I feel. I find it to be annoying when people are pushy about their beliefs.
So do I. It's your life - practice whatever you want as long as you're not pushy about it.
littlebelle 01-11-2009, 02:11 AM I think it's interesting. I'm Catholic, but unlike some other Christian denominations, I believe everybody should be free to practice what they want and I have no desire to convert other people to my religion.
Big C 01-11-2009, 02:25 AM I believe everybody should be free to practice what they want
Ditto.
I hate the idea of forcing people to do certain things.
We live in an era of choice.
ABlairican Pie 01-11-2009, 12:56 PM Ditto.
I hate the idea of forcing people to do certain things.
We live in an era of choice.I also hate the whole idea of fundagelical Christians who feel like they have to intimidate or act condescending toward others simply because this is the only way to "witness" and proselytize, to "get people saved". "If we don't do it like this, people will burn in hell!"
I thought the whole idea was to offer something that would improve a person's life, not give them "fire insurance".
MrCleveland 01-11-2009, 02:08 PM I know someone on the internet who's a Wiccan and I don't believe it.
Known fact-Wiccan can be seen on Captain Planet. The five rings represent the five points Earth, Fire, Wind, Water, and Spirit (In the cartoon, it's 'Heart').
Sharop 01-11-2009, 06:01 PM Listen, you and your boyfriend have the right to say/believe in whatever you want. Not ever having met you or your boyfriend I cannot have much of say when it comes to what he is or isn't lying about. That's for you.
Thank you for saying that. The reason I asked you was because I just don't want people to think or me or my boyfriend as being liars, even if they think our belief in this stuff is ridiculous. Although it's not pleasant when people think I'm weird, I think I'd rather have people believe I'm weird for being into spiritualism and the New Age, instead of lying about it.
But I will say this, I have the right to think that other people's belief's are ridiculous
I didn't say you didn't. Of course you do. A lot of my people either think my beliefs are ridiculous or weird. The only time I get angry is if people are rude or nasty to me because of them, OR, they accuse me of friends of mine who are involved of this, of lying and making everything up.
I myself have not communicated with any spirits, although I would like to. But my boyfriend has and he wouldn't lie about that. It's fine for people to think that his beliefs are silly - just as long as no one accuses him of being a liar.
I think if everyone really wanted to we could all hear voices in our head from our deceased relatives/pets; I've done it before. Does that make me a "medium"? No.
I don't know if it fully makes you a medium, but I do think it's possible that you might have heard from your deceased relatives or pets. You probably believe it was all in your head/imagination, but I do believe it's possible that you've actually heard them, that they're communicating with you from the spirit world.
Sharop 01-11-2009, 06:04 PM So though I do believe in paranormal ability I do not really believe in New Age religions. Someone simply can't say that they are going to talk to someone in the spirit world and then it just happens.
To be fair, though, that's not exactly what the New Age teaches. The New Age teaches that all people have the ability to communicate with spirit and project from their bodies, etc (we all project while we asleep, but we don't remember because we project unconsciously.) It also takes quite a lot of training and work to be able to communicate with spirit, it doesn't happen just like that.
Sharop 01-11-2009, 06:10 PM Known fact-Wiccan can be seen on Captain Planet. The five rings represent the five points Earth, Fire, Wind, Water, and Spirit (In the cartoon, it's 'Heart').
I'm not familiar with that term or the show - what's a known fact Wiccan?
Nighthawk76 01-11-2009, 07:56 PM To be fair, though, that's not exactly what the New Age teaches. The New Age teaches that all people have the ability to communicate with spirit and project from their bodies, etc (we all project while we asleep, but we don't remember because we project unconsciously.) It also takes quite a lot of training and work to be able to communicate with spirit, it doesn't happen just like that.
What I was trying to convay in my post is that I don't believe that everyone has the ability. Only a selected few. Which I think makes perfect sense since everyone is born with certain abilities that others don't have. Some people are born as great athletes where as some aren't. Some people are born to write a great piece of music, where as many people aren't. Paranormal ability is no different.
JamesG 01-12-2009, 01:11 AM I don't know if it fully makes you a medium, but I do think it's possible that you might have heard from your deceased relatives or pets. You probably believe it was all in your head/imagination, but I do believe it's possible that you've actually heard them, that they're communicating with you from the spirit world.
Alright, let's just assume that what you (and some others) believe when it comes to this is true. From this a couple of questions arise:
How do we know that the spirit we are communicating with is really who we think it is? How do we know it is not some malevolent being that is trying to corrupt us?
Also, how do we know that the "voices in our head" are really spirits vs imagination vs psychotic breakdown? All of those people who have said that God told them to kill their children; I am almost certain it was the result of a mental illness and not the work of "the other world".
For some folks, like me, simply believing isn't enough.
MrCleveland 01-12-2009, 05:04 PM I'm not familiar with that term or the show - what's a known fact Wiccan?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wicca
Does this help for Wiccan facts?
And for "Captain Planet", I'll get back with you on that.
Sharop 01-12-2009, 08:21 PM What I was trying to convay in my post is that I don't believe that everyone has the ability. Only a selected few. Which I think makes perfect sense since everyone is born with certain abilities that others don't have. Some people are born as great athletes where as some aren't. Some people are born to write a great piece of music, where as many people aren't. Paranormal ability is no different.
Oh, I see what you mean now. I believe the opposite, though, I believe that everyone does have these abilities, but there are people more naturally gifted at them than others. But I believe that they are natural abilities that everyone possesses.
Sharop 01-12-2009, 08:36 PM How do we know that the spirit we are communicating with is really who we think it is? How do we know it is not some malevolent being that is trying to corrupt us?
To start with, any spirit that is negative or tells people to do evil things would definitely be a malevolent spirit and not the kind of person that people would want to communicate with. People would break off contact with an entity like that.
Maybe there isn't a logical way of knowing...I'm not a medium yet but I've sometimes asked my boyfriend how he knows for sure it's real and he basically says that the knowing is just there. I know that wouldn't be enough for you, and it wouldn't seem plausible to you, and I can see why. But it is quite easy to distinguish well-intentioned spirits from the more mischievous ones.
If a spirit gives help, advice, wisdom, love and is non-judgmental then that is a highly-evolved spirit. My boyfriend has had guidance from spirits, mainly his own spirit guide who he talks to often. The things he's learned have helped him.
I'm in the process of reading some of the Seth books by Jane Roberts. Seth was an entity that Jane channelled from 1963 until her death in 1984. He dictated several books; I'm currently reading The Nature of Personal Reality. Among other things, the books are not hate-filled and encourage people to have open minds and be more accepting of themselves and others. Another thing I like about Seth is that he didn't want people to worship him; he wasn't trying to gain a big following. He stated the possibility that worshipping an entity could have negative effects on some people, in that it might reinforce some people's beliefs that humans were created as inferior products and were a poor species. Seth didn't want to gain a big following, he just wanted to present his own knowledge for anyone that it might appeal to. I'm firmly of the belief that all religions and spiritual beliefs ultimately lead to the same place, just in very different ways, and people go with the religion that suits them. Seth's books are not for everyone, but they are suited to some people. I like reading the books because, among many other things, people are encouraged to view themselves in a better light.
All of those people who have said that God told them to kill their children; I am almost certain it was the result of a mental illness and not the work of "the other world".
Anything negative I believe is likely mental illness - or it could be an unpleasant spirit trying to mess with a person. I believe that negative entities are in the minority so I would say in the case of people hearing voices telling them to do evil things, that it most likely stems from mental illness, but it's a possibility that it could be a negative entity.
Dr. Jazz 01-13-2009, 01:46 AM One of other police officers that works the same shift as I do has an informant who's a Wiccan and she's CRAZY :crazy:
Sharop 01-13-2009, 06:17 PM One of other police officers that works the same shift as I do has an informant who's a Wiccan and she's CRAZY :crazy:
Most Wiccans aren't crazy though. I suppose the religion seems very weird to some but, even though I'm not a Wiccan myself, I find it understandable and believable. It has some things in common with the New Age.
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