i was wondering is it possible that Keith was a young Narc? i think it would at least explain the police stone walling the family. You know to kinda protect the family...yeah that's a long shot. but that's the only thing that makes sense in this case. :confused:

I posted this in another thread. But to answer your question its not far off.

I speak on behalf of the family and want to say thank you for your concern. As of 01/09 there is no new developments with the case. I would like to clarify a few things;

1. it took police 6hrs to notify his mother of his death. The detective went to the neighbors house told the neighbor to call the mother and have the mother call him.

2. the first paramedic who arrived on scene said that he immediately knew it was a staged hanging and was not touching the body until police arrived. this is a medically trained individual who from first site knew that the hanging was staged. He waited until the police arrived and thought to himself because the responding officer was black that Keith would get justice. The officer and detective released him from the scene. Only until later when he saw the story on UM did he contact the family to give his account.

3. it took 3 attempts by Keith's uncle to identify the body. The first attempt he was asked to leave the funeral home because they were closed for business ( once keith's mother was notified she had to be sedated and her family in North Carolina was called and they drove up that same night). The uncle was told that there was so much decomposition that there should be a closed casket, however as see by the pictures there is and was no decomposition. The second attempt during business hours the next day he was told he needed the mother or father, Keith's father was in NC and his mother was sedated. The third attempt Keith's mother had to be dragged in and once the funeral had her they pushed several papers infront of her to sign. They then told the uncle to take her home and bring back clothing for the body. Now be mindful that no one from the next of kin had id the body. It took 3 trip and 24hrs to id the body.

4. The medical examiner (at that time) has since admitted that he did not examine the body directly however did take the information over the phone.

5. The detective released the body to the funeral home of his choice

6. The tree that was cut down was later destroyed in a warehouse fire

7. the date of death do sent match on the police report and the death certificate

8. From the autopsy that was funded by the family it was noted that Keith had so many chemical at such high amounts in his system (keep in mind this is several years after his death) that he would not have had the physical or mental capability to tie a rope around two trees and jump off another object.

these are just a few of the issues the family has to deal with. This is Montgomery County at its finest!

Thank you for the update (or lack thereof). Do you know that Keith was some kind of informant or is it just a strong assumption at this point?

What does the family think was the motivation behind giving the crime-scene photos to Keith's mother? Was it a threat? From whom? The police or someone else?

Please keep us informed of any developments or any information that we may not have heard. I think I can speak for everyone here that we want to see justice for Keith and his family.

Thank you for the update (or lack thereof). Do you know that Keith was some kind of informant or is it just a strong assumption at this point?

What does the family think was the motivation behind giving the crime-scene photos to Keith's mother? Was it a threat? From whom? The police or someone else?

Please keep us informed of any developments or any information that we may not have heard. I think I can speak for everyone here that we want to see justice for Keith and his family.
at this point anything is possible. Being an informant would be the only explaination for how the police handled the investigation. The belief the family has about the photos is that someone was trying to help. The photo's are the official crime scene photo's that the police took at the time of the murder. The family has the belief that the police didnt expect for them to ever get out. It is in the photo's that ou clearly see he is hoisted up not hanging down, also it was late july when he was found. He has on long sleeves and tight slacks, also clearly the shoes he has on his feet are shoes which are worn for wrestling. The articles that the actress pulls from the duffle bag in the piece are the actual articles that the family recieved back from the police. If anyone can suggest a great psychic it would be helpful at this point.

It has been 23 years since his death. This thing needs to be resolved! But unless someone comes forward with information, I don't think it'll ever be solved. You would think if several persons were involved in Keith's death someone would have talked? Especially after so long a time, when they think the threat has passed! Who would possibly go through all that trouble to kill a 19 year old kid and cover it up? And why? What could Keith have known that would have gotten him killed? This case just boggles the mind!

kinda young to be a narc, but kinda makes sense.

Thank you for the updates. Keith's story is tragic. It is possible he could have been a narc. Police agencies do have narcs that you are really young.

I was wondering about the whole "confidential informant" angle myself... it's the only thing that really makes sense. So many strange things happened in this case. I hope the family gets the closure they deserve soon.

There are means to view this case online if anyone wants to see it again

please share how to get the info online.

at this point anything is possible. Being an informant would be the only explaination for how the police handled the investigation. The belief the family has about the photos is that someone was trying to help. The photo's are the official crime scene photo's that the police took at the time of the murder. The family has the belief that the police didnt expect for them to ever get out. It is in the photo's that ou clearly see he is hoisted up not hanging down, also it was late july when he was found. He has on long sleeves and tight slacks, also clearly the shoes he has on his feet are shoes which are worn for wrestling. The articles that the actress pulls from the duffle bag in the piece are the actual articles that the family recieved back from the police. If anyone can suggest a great psychic it would be helpful at this point.

I've been obsessed with this case and what was done to Keith since the segment on UM originally aired. Being an African-American male from Maryland his case deeply affected me on many levels and my heart goes out to his family. R.e. a great psychic -if you haven't already been turned on to one already- would be a lady by the name of "Logan" ex. 5089, a medium that's employed @ CalforniaPsychics.com. She's known for her accuracy and details concerning communicating with deceased loves and as a clairvoyant.

I just watched this segment last week and I deeply feel for Keiths mother.

I hope that the person who sent them truly wanted to help with the case and they didn't do it to mess with the poor family.

It seems a very bizarre case. What do you believe he was an informant for? It says on the segment (how ironic from a black friend) that Kieth did not hang around with black males. Was their a lot of crime committed by the white community and was he spying on them? What could he possibly have info on?

When I watched the segment, at first I was of the opinion that the police where not bothered about doing a proper investigation purely on the fact that kieth was was young black male (which is pretty sad), maybe they didnt want to waste their time with it all so ruled it a suicide.

It still bares the question who did it and why? But I kind of lean to the police not wanting to do any 'hard' work.

When I watched the segment, at first I was of the opinion that the police where not bothered about doing a proper investigation purely on the fact that kieth was was young black male (which is pretty sad), maybe they didnt want to waste their time with it all so ruled it a suicide.

It still bares the question who did it and why? But I kind of lean to the police not wanting to do any 'hard' work.

I actually thought that could have been the case myself. Keith's case reminds me somewhat of another young Black man featured on UM--Andre Jones. Although the circumstances were different in both cases, I think it is possible both are rooted in racism. In Jones' case, I strongly believe that racism was overt and directly instrumental in his death. In Warren's, it may have been far more subtle, resulting in apathy and inaction. It does not necessarily explain the murder itself, but why a good investigation into that murder was never conducted.

In Jones' case, I strongly believe that racism was overt and directly instrumental in his death. In Warren's, it may have been far more subtle, resulting in apathy and inaction. It does not necessarily explain the murder itself, but why a good investigation into that murder was never conducted.

I couldnt agree with you any more if I tried!

It's so incredibly sad to think if he had been white a proper investigation may of occured. I wonder if his mother ever had these thoughts.

I think racism played a role in Andre Jones' death, but not necessarily Keith Warren's. Who were the "friends" at the scene that "found" Keith hanging from the tree? Were their names ever released to the public?

I think this is a case where a police department member may have been involved in killing Keith. I think it could have been that group of people that "found" him dead. If those individuals were identified, that seems like it would help with the case, since one of the theories was that he might have been killed by gang members and/or drug dealers.

Can some one just refresh my mind. I know I said that i only watched it the other day but I watch that much stuff, read tons and clean all at the same time so i sometimes get confused.

Keith's body was sent straight to a funeral place, no autopsy. Cause of death presumably asphyxiation caused by hanging ones self?

Then the body is exhumed and an autopsy done, now if i remember rightly there was toxic things in his body but was it enough to kill him? Is that what caused his death? Did they notice any bruising on the neck? If not then it must be presumed that some one hung him after he was already dead therefor unable to bruise?

Is there an actually cause of death?

Can some one just refresh my mind. I know I said that i only watched it the other day but I watch that much stuff, read tons and clean all at the same time so i sometimes get confused.

Keith's body was sent straight to a funeral place, no autopsy. Cause of death presumably asphyxiation caused by hanging ones self?

Then the body is exhumed and an autopsy done, now if i remember rightly there was toxic things in his body but was it enough to kill him? Is that what caused his death? Did they notice any bruising on the neck? If not then it must be presumed that some one hung him after he was already dead therefor unable to bruise?

Is there an actually cause of death?

Dang, can't remember right now without going through the very large main Keith Warren thread.....

IIRC, the autopsy was done years later and he had enough chemicals in his system to kill him. Part of the problem is that some are known inhalant drugs and some are used during preparing the body for a funeral.

I'm almost positive that hanging/asphyxia was not the actual cause of death.

If you look at the pics from Jet magazine on the main KW thread, it's really obvious this was not a hanging suicide. I am positive that Keith Warren did not commit suicide. But what actually happened? I don't know. People are covering up the facts tho. That's another thing I'm convinced has happened in Keith's case.

I just rewatched this segment in the last week. Care was taken to note that an apparently significant amount of trichloroethane was found in his body when a portion of the autopsy report was shown. Although it was once widely used as an industrial degreaser, it's also known as methyl chloroform and can cause unconsciousness if large amounts are suddenly inhaled. What I don't know is how popular--or how accessible--that chemical was or would be as a "recreational" substance. If Keith were using inhalants (and there's nothing to suggest he was), I guess I would wager he would use something more easily obtainable. You can buy a gallon of gasoline or a heavy-duty glue a lot more easily than picking up something with 1,1,1-trichloroethane in it, as far as I know.

Does anyone know the answer to my previous question (names of people present at the scene when Keith's body was "found")?

I actually thought that could have been the case myself. Keith's case reminds me somewhat of another young Black man featured on UM--Andre Jones. Although the circumstances were different in both cases, I think it is possible both are rooted in racism. In Jones' case, I strongly believe that racism was overt and directly instrumental in his death. In Warren's, it may have been far more subtle, resulting in apathy and inaction. It does not necessarily explain the murder itself, but why a good investigation into that murder was never conducted.

I'll have to respectfully disagree about racism playing a factor, at least in the Andre Jones case. The police spokesman interviewed constantly complemented Jones in the segment, and went on to say how shocked he was at how cooperative and willing he was to talk to them. IMO, Jones didn't want his family to find out he was hanging out with shady characters, and unfortunately hung himself. I do think it's possible in the Keith Warren case that the police may have scoffed at digging deeper because he was black, but IIRC, wasn't Keith and his family from a upper-middle class area? Silver Spring isn't exactly a low income area.

As for Keith's death, I read a report that his mother had written (or helped write) saying that in the months prior to his death he began to associate with Mark Findley and other shady characters that he normally didn't hang around. I believe the PI hired by the family got it right at the end of the segment...Keith was at a party, had a strange reaction to some sort of drug, and the party-goers panicked and covered up his death.

I'll have to respectfully disagree about racism playing a factor, at least in the Andre Jones case. The police spokesman interviewed constantly complemented Jones in the segment, and went on to say how shocked he was at how cooperative and willing he was to talk to them. IMO, Jones didn't want his family to find out he was hanging out with shady characters, and unfortunately hung himself. I do think it's possible in the Keith Warren case that the police may have scoffed at digging deeper because he was black, but IIRC, wasn't Keith and his family from a upper-middle class area? Silver Spring isn't exactly a low income area.

As for Keith's death, I read a report that his mother had written (or helped write) saying that in the months prior to his death he began to associate with Mark Findley and other shady characters that he normally didn't hang around. I believe the PI hired by the family got it right at the end of the segment...Keith was at a party, had a strange reaction to some sort of drug, and the party-goers panicked and covered up his death.

R.E. Keith's death I definitely agree in that he most likely died at a party from the affects of a drug. However, I believe that this drug (one revealed to be used primarily by funeral homes and not something easily attainable by teenagers) was intentionally given to him (via a drink) to insure his silence about certain illegal activities he'd stumbled on to. By the mid-to-late 1980's (and ever since then) Montgomery County -as well as several other Maryland regions bordering Washington- had acquired a significant drug subculture that bled over from nearby District of Columbia. From what I've read stated by both Keith's sister, interviews with his mom, and a friend of the family, Keith hadn't had any involvement with Mark Findley for a number of years due to a physical alteraction between them. IMHO I think this fight was related to Findley attempting to induct him into his drug-related circle, one that most likely included ties to individuals in law enforcement (the state has a lengthy history with corruption in its police departments -especially narcotics and vice). From the manner in which his body was discovered to the outright bizarre actions of the Montgomery County Police Dept and Medical Examiner's Office, it is abundantly obvious that someone with a great deal of influence was intent on the public perceiving Keith Warren's death -despite the evidence- being a suicide. There were way too many incidents after the discovery of his body (e.g. being found in clothing/footwear not his own, a medic on the scene that instantly disputed the suicide ruling based on the inconsistencies, no autopsy, and Keith being sent directly to the funeral home for embalming without so much as a call to the family) for it to be just an example of shoddy police work and the covering up of a kid o.d.-ing at a house party. Even after he was in the ground the aftermath pointed to something so much more complicated and sinister, culimating in the envelop containing the official crime scene photos arriving on his mother's doorstep. Someone in the Montgomery Police Dept, an individual fully aware of what actually went down but not a part of it, wanted very much to point Mary Warren Couey and Keith's sister, Sherri, in the direction of the truth. This person, clearly disgusted by the dept's actions enough to send the Warrens shocking proof that they were being lied to, even confided that one of the persons responsible for betraying Keith, Mark Findley, "...would be next". When Findley, after having left Mary a frantic rambling message that he needed to come by and "unload", turned up dead of an alleged motorcyle accident (one not substanciated by the coroner who said it appeared as if he'd been beaten with a baseball bat), it turned out that the anonymous sender of the package had been all too correct.
I'm not a criminal profiler in the least, but IMHO, my theory -one that several others on this message board share- is that Keith Warren had been recruited as an informant to expose the connection between his drug using peers and several corrupt cops in the narcotics divisions they were in union with. This might explain why Keith, who'd been known to not associate with the majority of his classmates, would suddenly be interacting with several of them and Mark Findley (a person that he hadn't had any contact with in years). Somehow the crooked narcs learned of this and ordered Findley to get rid of Keith or face a similar fate, resulting in him desperately making enquiries to Keith's whereabouts days before his death. The guilt of all this ate so much at him that he needed to come clean to Keith's mom. Those same figures took swift action to prevent that from happening.

Does anyone know the answer to my previous question (names of people present at the scene when Keith's body was "found")?

Unless I'm mistaken, I thought it was a teen who lived in the area who found Keith's body. I can't remember if it was said whether he knew Keith or not.

If you have the stomach to look at them, there are multiple pictures online of Keith hanging from the tree. For some reason, there's a shirtless boy standing in the background. Apparently, he was the friend of the boy who found Keith and the police didn't think it was necessary to tell him to leave when they were taking pictures of the crime scene.

I'll have to respectfully disagree about racism playing a factor, at least in the Andre Jones case. The police spokesman interviewed constantly complemented Jones in the segment, and went on to say how shocked he was at how cooperative and willing he was to talk to them.

I think the corrections officers were directly responsible, not the police.

I do think it's possible in the Keith Warren case that the police may have scoffed at digging deeper because he was black, but IIRC, wasn't Keith and his family from a upper-middle class area? Silver Spring isn't exactly a low income area.

Racism knows no tax bracket.

I want to reiterate that I'm not of the opinion racism was a factor in Keith's death, but that it could have been a factor in why it was poorly investigated.

As for Keith's death, I read a report that his mother had written (or helped write) saying that in the months prior to his death he began to associate with Mark Findley and other shady characters that he normally didn't hang around. I believe the PI hired by the family got it right at the end of the segment...Keith was at a party, had a strange reaction to some sort of drug, and the party-goers panicked and covered up his death.

Plausible--although at this point I wouldn't discount the notion that Mark Findley and/or his associates actively murdered Keith, either.

If you go on youtube and watch "Strange Fruit In Maryland: Justice For Bro. Keith Warren". It's a radio interview with Keith's sister with photos. It's pretty graphic regarding Mark Finley. Remember how he supposedly died in a freak bike accident? It shows a picture of what was his face after his "bicycle accident". Its very graphic and shocking. His face resembles someone who was brutally assaulted with a metal baseball bat, not someone who was involved in a bicycle accident. Again, it's very graphic, just a warning.

Along with the photos Keith's mother received of the official crime scene photos, a note said something along the lines that Mark Finley was next. Since the police acknowledged those were the official crime scene photos, someone with the ability to get those photos (so they either were in law enforcement or knew someone very well in law enforcement) also had it out for Mark Finley. This threatening note was received before Mark Finley left a message for Keith's mother saying he needed to unload. (he was returning her call after receiving the note.) So, there is definitely a connection between mark Finley and that gang of kids to someone in or very close to law enforcement.

It seems before Marks death, he was more on the outs or having issues with that group of people. Whether it was guilt for "helping hang Keith in the tree" as he was overheard saying at a party or because he was beginning to talk to much, for whatever reason he was no longer trusted or close with that group toward the end of his life.

I cant even guess why this group of kids killed Keith (jealousy, drunken fight, overdose, ect) but someone in that group has someone , probably more than one, very close to them in the local law enforcement agency. This group could have dealt drugs and had a corrupt officer or officers close to someone in their group. You don't need the whole department in on a cover up, only the right person or persons in a key position. Even if someone in the department didn't agree with that they saw, unfortunately, most don't speak up in fear of losing their job or retaliation.

R.E. Keith's death I definitely agree in that he most likely died at a party from the affects of a drug. However, I believe that this drug (one revealed to be used primarily by funeral homes and not something easily attainable by teenagers) was intentionally given to him (via a drink) to insure his silence about certain illegal activities he'd stumbled on to.

This is entirely possible as well. I don't know how likely it would have been for Keith to be an informant, but I could see a scenario where the others thought Keith might blow the whistle to someone and want him silenced for that.

I think the corrections officers were directly responsible, not the police.

Possibly made some racist remarks to him, but I highly doubt he was murdered by anyone.

Racism knows no tax bracket.

I want to reiterate that I'm not of the opinion racism was a factor in Keith's death, but that it could have been a factor in why it was poorly investigated.

True. But Silver Spring is one of the more ethnically diverse places in Maryland, so I'm sure there were other homicides/suspicious deaths in the area that involved various ethnicities. And I do agree that it's possible that race may have played a factor in the reason why it was poorly investigated.

Remember how he supposedly died in a freak bike accident? It shows a picture of what was his face after his "bicycle accident". Its very graphic and shocking.

That was a picture of Emmett Till, not Mark Findley.

Ohhh gotcha, by bad

I'm willing to bet the farm on this; that Keith attended a party (not sure if it was off campus or on) that he was invited to or asked to attend by Mark Findley, I think Mark was coerced/recruited by some shady characters to get Keith to attend. They then proceeded to slip something into his drink which killed him rather quickly. I think Mark was either a witness to, or an active participant in these activities and was told to keep his mouth shut or else. The perpetrators then went on with the rest of their plan, removed & replaced the clothes Keith was wearing and transported the body to the wooded area and staged the hanging. Which if you look at the crime scene photos was a very amateur and shoddy job, which was obviously not done by individuals that were professionals by any stretch of the imagination! Those people had no idea what they were doing or else they would have done a better job, a 5 year old could tell that thing was staged! They must have believed that Keith's family and loved ones were complete morons who would buy that whole "hanging" scenario. Who knows how long they had this thing planned but by the looks of it not very long!

Does anyone know the answer to my previous question (names of people present at the scene when Keith's body was "found")?

ETA: Just read the whole blog linked below where I found the names of those people. See the next post for that info.

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I'm not positive but I thought that at least one person was named.

In the main Keith Warren thread, which is quite long and I haven't read through it in a while, there are links to the Jet magazine article and links to a blog dedicated to Keith's case. There are more crime scene photos there, too.

There's also the Injustice Files episode that featured Keith's case. Not sure if the names of those people were disclosed on that program.

IIRC, the blogger either names the other people or says that he/she know the names of those people but hasn't shared them online. http://keithwarrenjusticesite.blogspot.com/

Sorry, to be of very little help, but I think the main Keith Warren thread and/or the links there may lead you to some answers.

Claudia Lawson, Chip Wims, and Alan Durant were all at the house where the 911 call came from, stating that there was a body in the basement. When the paramedic arrived at the house, they told him that the body was in the woods and Alan Durant took the paramedic to that location. Alan Durant is the shirtless man in one of the crime scene photos. The police report states that Claudia had discovered Keith's body while walking her dog.

These people knew Keith but would not identify his body for police. None of them wanted their names on the police report. That's why Rodney Kendall had to be brought in to initially ID Keith's remains.

As of 2010, Chip Wims has died, Claudia Lawson is living in TX and working in law enforcement. Sherry doesn't know where Alan Durant is.

Some other names mentioned in the blog:

A poster asked Keith's sister if the PI, Mr. Alercia had found out any more about Kim Wilson who claimed to be a friend of Keith's. The poster also mentioned that he posted another person's name on the YT videos of Keith's case and asked Sherry if she knew that person.

Sherry mentioned that they are having a very difficult time trying to identify the three men who were looking for Keith before his death. A poster pointed out that it was odd that Rodney Kendall did not recognize these men, yet while trying to find Keith, they asked Rodney if he had seen Keith. The poster wonders why they would ask Rodney about Keith's whereabouts if they didn't know he and Keith were friends. Sherry said that nothing she's heard or knows connected Rodney to those men.

Sherry posted that when she arrived in town after Keith's body was discovered, she was overwhelmed by people calling and asking about Keith. Her aunt decided to get her out of the house and took her to a mall 35 miles away. She actually ran into [U]Mark Findley at that mall. He mentioned he was sorry about what happened to Keith. Since Sherry rarely went to that mall so far from home, she believes Mark followed her there and she did not just run into him by chance.

A person commented on YT that he knew Keith in kindergarten. Keith was best friends with the poster's cousin Franco who said he was 'there that night' leading the poster to believe he was either there on Keith's last night alive or that he witnessed the three unknown men asking Rodney where they could find Keith.

If you go on youtube and watch "Strange Fruit In Maryland: Justice For Bro. Keith Warren". It's a radio interview with Keith's sister with photos. It's pretty graphic regarding Mark Finley. Remember how he supposedly died in a freak bike accident? It shows a picture of what was his face after his "bicycle accident". Its very graphic and shocking. His face resembles someone who was brutally assaulted with a metal baseball bat, not someone who was involved in a bicycle accident. Again, it's very graphic, just a warning.

Along with the photos Keith's mother received of the official crime scene photos, a note said something along the lines that Mark Finley was next. Since the police acknowledged those were the official crime scene photos, someone with the ability to get those photos (so they either were in law enforcement or knew someone very well in law enforcement) also had it out for Mark Finley. This threatening note was received before Mark Finley left a message for Keith's mother saying he needed to unload. (he was returning her call after receiving the note.) So, there is definitely a connection between mark Finley and that gang of kids to someone in or very close to law enforcement.

Thank you for pointing out that interview. I just listened to the entire thing AND saw that horrible picture of Mark Findley's face. There's no way a bike accident could have done that. He literally had no face left, as if it had been beaten repeatedly like you said. Also interesting is how the police were so quick to write it off as an accident, that he was simply thrown forward off the bike and struck his head. But Sherri says Mark's body was found BEHIND the bike on the road. Even if you take the massive facial injuries out of the equation, that would clearly disprove any theory that he was thrown from his bike.

Something else Sherri said was pretty amazing in regards to Keith's friends. She said in high school, Keith was always surrounded by his friends. That they were constantly calling and were over at their house 7 days a week. But during the time Keith was missing into the first few days after his body was found, that all stopped. None of the friends called, none of them dropped by out of the blue like they were known to do, nothing. Not a single contact until Keith's death had been announced to the area. That's either a well timed coincidence or maybe the friends knew more about what had happened and they were scared to say anything.

If someone could post a link to the original thread it would be awesome.

Keith Warren's case has always bothered me. The one thing that gets to me is how quickly and suspicious the case was handled. I know someone here wrote a theory on how they believed Mark Findley was convinced by the suspicious characters Keith had been seen hanging around with, to get him to go to their party. And there, that's when they drugged him , and proceeded to change his clothing. I do agree with this person because it does seem like the most sensible scenario. However I happened to DVR this case the other day and it upset me that lifetime cut out a few parts. One part they didn't mention was how the paramedic knew it wasn't a suicide right away. And what upset me too was how much the police got away with. This case reminds me of Kurt sova in the sense that years later it was discovered that the police was in cahoots with the drug dealers in town. And even one of the deputies ,I believe had been arrested for dealing and selling drugs , as well as a lot of other illegal activities. I've seen Those photos of mark and for that to be ruled off as accident and left that way pisses me off. It was said on The segment by Keith's friend that he was known to have predominately white friends. He barley associated with blacks. When Keith's mother said that he started hanging around with Men who had bad reputations I find it hard to believe that a guy like Keith, especially at that age in his life would decide to hang out with the wrong crowd. He is sill young but I would expect that from a younger kid maybe 13-15. From the segment his family seemed well rounded and educated, they probably
Guided Keith when it came to the type of people to hang around with. I've known personally ( because of a large family) a lot of people in gangs. And police officers. some are family members that are distant and some are friends and to be honest, they can get away with a lot but from the information and details given on this case, Those un-reputable characters who were looking for Keith could have never gotten away with all that has happened without some sort of police help. It's seriously sickening and my heart goes out to the Warrens. But the reason that I do believe police were involved is because

1. Keith's case had been closed within the same day. What type of detectives were on this case? And I'm wondering if specific police officers requested it, being that Keith's mother complained that the police had been rude to her on several occasions. I understand officers can be a bit cold, but toward someone who's lost a child? What were they hiding ?

2. What kind of police / detective work requires for the parent of the deceased to find out their child had been dead hours after it has happened. Keith's body and face were not horribly disfigured to a point of being unrecognizable. This has no excuse what so ever.

3. Maybe it's just me. But I have herd of suicides being committed outside and not once have I herd of LE removing the tree as "evidence" and even if it was WHY would you destroy the evidence..

4. Keith's mother received graphic photos of Keith , saying that Mark Findley would be next. She described them as photos only the police would have. What are the chances that the murder ended up taking photos of the person they just killed in the same style and angle that the police had? Unless of course it's the police the whole time

5. Mark findley's accident. Don't even get me started.

I didn't watch the YT interview but I did scan through the pics very quickly. As mentioned upthread, that is most certainly a photograph of Emmett Till.

Were they using his photos in that portion of the video to compare racially motivated killings, to illustrate that the injuries they think Mark Findley suffered were similar, or for a different reason?

If someone could post a link to the original thread it would be awesome.

Here's the link to the main Keith Warren thread:

http://www.sitcomsonline.com/boards/showthread.php?t=157104&highlight=keith+warren

I didn't catch that, but I have a feelings that is most likely the reason for the photos. Thank you for the link though.

If someone could post a link to the original thread it would be awesome.

Keith Warren's case has always bothered me. The one thing that gets to me is how quickly and suspicious the case was handled. I know someone here wrote a theory on how they believed Mark Findley was convinced by the suspicious characters Keith had been seen hanging around with, to get him to go to their party. And there, that's when they drugged him , and proceeded to change his clothing. I do agree with this person because it does seem like the most sensible scenario. However I happened to DVR this case the other day and it upset me that lifetime cut out a few parts. One part they didn't mention was how the paramedic knew it wasn't a suicide right away. And what upset me too was how much the police got away with. This case reminds me of Kurt sova in the sense that years later it was discovered that the police was in cahoots with the drug dealers in town. And even one of the deputies ,I believe had been arrested for dealing and selling drugs , as well as a lot of other illegal activities. I've seen Those photos of mark and for that to be ruled off as accident and left that way pisses me off. It was said on The segment by Keith's friend that he was known to have predominately white friends. He barley associated with blacks. When Keith's mother said that he started hanging around with Men who had bad reputations I find it hard to believe that a guy like Keith, especially at that age in his life would decide to hang out with the wrong crowd. He is sill young but I would expect that from a younger kid maybe 13-15. From the segment his family seemed well rounded and educated, they probably
Guided Keith when it came to the type of people to hang around with. I've known personally ( because of a large family) a lot of people in gangs. And police officers. some are family members that are distant and some are friends and to be honest, they can get away with a lot but from the information and details given on this case, Those un-reputable characters who were looking for Keith could have never gotten away with all that has happened without some sort of police help. It's seriously sickening and my heart goes out to the Warrens. But the reason that I do believe police were involved is because

1. Keith's case had been closed within the same day. What type of detectives were on this case? And I'm wondering if specific police officers requested it, being that Keith's mother complained that the police had been rude to her on several occasions. I understand officers can be a bit cold, but toward someone who's lost a child? What were they hiding ?

2. What kind of police / detective work requires for the parent of the deceased to find out their child had been dead hours after it has happened. Keith's body and face were not horribly disfigured to a point of being unrecognizable. This has no excuse what so ever.

3. Maybe it's just me. But I have herd of suicides being committed outside and not once have I herd of LE removing the tree as "evidence" and even if it was WHY would you destroy the evidence..

4. Keith's mother received graphic photos of Keith , saying that Mark Findley would be next. She described them as photos only the police would have. What are the chances that the murder ended up taking photos of the person they just killed in the same style and angle that the police had? Unless of course it's the police the whole time

5. Mark findley's accident. Don't even get me started.

Hello,

this is Sherri Warren and I apologize for the delay in responding to your questions. I have since come upon new information regarding the death of my brother. If you go to www.keithwarrenjusticesite.com I have posted questions I have asked of MCPD and their response. one of the most troubling is question#4 the police officer wrote in his notes that the Detective knew of Keiths prior mental history at the scene 5 hours prior to notification to my mother. When I asked the question as to whether or not the Det. had prior interaction with Keith I was told no. When I asked how did the Det know of Keith's prior mental history at the scene I was told the information was obtain from a undocumented third party at the scene. That alone should get this case re-opened and reclassified. I will also be posting videos and other physical documentation from MCPD that is in direct contradiction of their argument of this being a suicide.- Sherri

Can some one just refresh my mind. I know I said that i only watched it the other day but I watch that much stuff, read tons and clean all at the same time so i sometimes get confused.

Keith's body was sent straight to a funeral place, no autopsy. Cause of death presumably asphyxiation caused by hanging ones self?

Then the body is exhumed and an autopsy done, now if i remember rightly there was toxic things in his body but was it enough to kill him? Is that what caused his death? Did they notice any bruising on the neck? If not then it must be presumed that some one hung him after he was already dead therefor unable to bruise?

Is there an actually cause of death?
Hello,

This is Sherri Warren and I apologize for the delay in responding to your questions from everyone. I have since come upon new information regarding the death of my brother. If you go to www.keithwarrenjusticesite.com I have posted questions I have asked of MCPD and their response. one of the most troubling is question#4 the police officer wrote in his notes that the Detective knew of Keiths prior mental history at the scene 5 hours prior to notification to my mother. When I asked the question as to whether or not the Det. had prior interaction with Keith I was told no. When I asked how did the Det know of Keith's prior mental history at the scene I was told the information was obtain from a undocumented third party at the scene. That alone should get this case re-opened and reclassified. I will also be posting videos and other physical documentation from MCPD that is in direct contradiction of their argument of this being a suicide.- Sherri

R.E. Keith's death I definitely agree in that he most likely died at a party from the affects of a drug. However, I believe that this drug (one revealed to be used primarily by funeral homes and not something easily attainable by teenagers) was intentionally given to him (via a drink) to insure his silence about certain illegal activities he'd stumbled on to. By the mid-to-late 1980's (and ever since then) Montgomery County -as well as several other Maryland regions bordering Washington- had acquired a significant drug subculture that bled over from nearby District of Columbia. From what I've read stated by both Keith's sister, interviews with his mom, and a friend of the family, Keith hadn't had any involvement with Mark Findley for a number of years due to a physical alteraction between them. IMHO I think this fight was related to Findley attempting to induct him into his drug-related circle, one that most likely included ties to individuals in law enforcement (the state has a lengthy history with corruption in its police departments -especially narcotics and vice). From the manner in which his body was discovered to the outright bizarre actions of the Montgomery County Police Dept and Medical Examiner's Office, it is abundantly obvious that someone with a great deal of influence was intent on the public perceiving Keith Warren's death -despite the evidence- being a suicide. There were way too many incidents after the discovery of his body (e.g. being found in clothing/footwear not his own, a medic on the scene that instantly disputed the suicide ruling based on the inconsistencies, no autopsy, and Keith being sent directly to the funeral home for embalming without so much as a call to the family) for it to be just an example of shoddy police work and the covering up of a kid o.d.-ing at a house party. Even after he was in the ground the aftermath pointed to something so much more complicated and sinister, culimating in the envelop containing the official crime scene photos arriving on his mother's doorstep. Someone in the Montgomery Police Dept, an individual fully aware of what actually went down but not a part of it, wanted very much to point Mary Warren Couey and Keith's sister, Sherri, in the direction of the truth. This person, clearly disgusted by the dept's actions enough to send the Warrens shocking proof that they were being lied to, even confided that one of the persons responsible for betraying Keith, Mark Findley, "...would be next". When Findley, after having left Mary a frantic rambling message that he needed to come by and "unload", turned up dead of an alleged motorcyle accident (one not substanciated by the coroner who said it appeared as if he'd been beaten with a baseball bat), it turned out that the anonymous sender of the package had been all too correct.
I'm not a criminal profiler in the least, but IMHO, my theory -one that several others on this message board share- is that Keith Warren had been recruited as an informant to expose the connection between his drug using peers and several corrupt cops in the narcotics divisions they were in union with. This might explain why Keith, who'd been known to not associate with the majority of his classmates, would suddenly be interacting with several of them and Mark Findley (a person that he hadn't had any contact with in years). Somehow the crooked narcs learned of this and ordered Findley to get rid of Keith or face a similar fate, resulting in him desperately making enquiries to Keith's whereabouts days before his death. The guilt of all this ate so much at him that he needed to come clean to Keith's mom. Those same figures took swift action to prevent that from happening.
Hello,

This is Sherri Warren and I apologize for the delay in responding to your questions. I have since come upon new information regarding the death of my brother. If you go to www.keithwarrenjusticesite.com I have posted questions I have asked of MCPD and their response. one of the most troubling is question#4 the police officer wrote in his notes that the Detective knew of Keiths prior mental history at the scene 5 hours prior to notification to my mother. When I asked the question as to whether or not the Det. had prior interaction with Keith I was told no. When I asked how did the Det know of Keith's prior mental history at the scene I was told the information was obtain from a undocumented third party at the scene. That alone should get this case re-opened and reclassified. I will also be posting videos and other physical documentation from MCPD that is in direct contradiction of their argument of this being a suicide. Another troubling fact is that MCPD would like for me to believe that Keith walked 2/10 of a mile from where is car was parked through our neighborhood carrying a 40ft rope, change of clothes and two 4 pack of wine cooler even though there was parking less than 5 ft of where is body was found- Sherri

I didn't watch the YT interview but I did scan through the pics very quickly. As mentioned upthread, that is most certainly a photograph of Emmett Till.

Were they using his photos in that portion of the video to compare racially motivated killings, to illustrate that the injuries they think Mark Findley suffered were similar, or for a different reason?



Here's the link to the main Keith Warren thread:

http://www.sitcomsonline.com/boards/showthread.php?t=157104&highlight=keith+warren
What update me on what "YT" is?

What update me on what "YT" is?
''YT'' stands for Youtube. Sometimes users will also call it ''the forbidden site'' as it's against the rules to post links to episodes on there.

Hello Sherri, my deepest condolences goes out to you and
Your family. I pray you gain closure and more information on the case. I will be looking into the web link
You sent. Thank you so much.

One thing I've wondered about this case, do they know what Keith was doing in the hour or hours leading up to this or maybe who he was with that morning? Curious what his schedule was that day. Been a while since I've seen the case.

4. Keith's mother received graphic photos of Keith , saying that Mark Findley would be next. She described them as photos only the police would have. What are the chances that the murder ended up taking photos of the person they just killed in the same style and angle that the police had? Unless of course it's the police the whole time

The mother receiving these photos is the main reason I remember this case. Back then pictures (except Polaroids) were taken on film, so if the murderer took them, either the murderer or an accomplice would have had to develop and print them to avoid being turned in to the authorities by the developer. I don't suppose there was anything distinctive about the paper on which they were printed (was it amateur, professional, is there a difference, where would it have been purchased, and so on)?

The mother receiving these photos is the main reason I remember this case. Back then pictures (except Polaroids) were taken on film, so if the murderer took them, either the murderer or an accomplice would have had to develop and print them to avoid being turned in to the authorities by the developer. I don't suppose there was anything distinctive about the paper on which they were printed (was it amateur, professional, is there a difference, where would it have been purchased, and so on)?

I'm almost positive that it was confirmed that those photos were copies of the actual crime scene photos. (I'd have to read back through the main KW thread to be sure.)

IIRC, receiving those photos was the first time Keith's mother realized that Keith was found wearing clothes that didn't belong to him.

IMO, whoever sent them must have had connections to law enforcement to be able to get copies of those photos to send along with that threat/note.

I'm almost positive that it was confirmed that those photos were copies of the actual crime scene photos. (I'd have to read back through the main KW thread to be sure.)

IIRC, receiving those photos was the first time Keith's mother realized that Keith was found wearing clothes that didn't belong to him.

IMO, whoever sent them must have had connections to law enforcement to be able to get copies of those photos to send along with that threat/note.

The pictures were taken by MCPD at the time the body was found. From what was explained to me someone went into the police files got the negatives had the pictures developed and put the negatives back.. MCPD knew back in '86 that Keith was not wearing the clothing he left the house in just like they sat on the information the lead detective used information from an unknown, unrelated, undocumented source to determine Keith's death a suicide. No one with a medical background examine Keith's body prior to removal to the funeral home.

The mother receiving these photos is the main reason I remember this case. Back then pictures (except Polaroids) were taken on film, so if the murderer took them, either the murderer or an accomplice would have had to develop and print them to avoid being turned in to the authorities by the developer. I don't suppose there was anything distinctive about the paper on which they were printed (was it amateur, professional, is there a difference, where would it have been purchased, and so on)?

The pictures were taken by MCPD at the time the body was found. From what was explained to me someone went into the police files got the negatives had the pictures developed and put the negatives back.. MCPD knew back in '86 that Keith was not wearing the clothing he left the house in just like they sat on the information for the past 28yrs that the lead detective used information from an unknown, unrelated, undocumented source to determine Keith's death a suicide. No one with a medical background examine Keith's body prior to removal to the funeral home.

Read more: http://www.sitcomsonline.com/boards/showthread.php?p=4957591&posted=1#post4957591#ixzz3Krnlhomv

Does anyone know the answer to my previous question (names of people present at the scene when Keith's body was "found")?

My apology for delay in responding... the individuals who were in the house where the 911 called came from at the time of death did not want their names on the police report and the police did not interview them. 1 died back in the 90's, 1 threatens to sue you everytime you mention his name and Keith's name in the same sentence and the last one plays dumb.

One thing I've wondered about this case, do they know what Keith was doing in the hour or hours leading up to this or maybe who he was with that morning? Curious what his schedule was that day. Been a while since I've seen the case.
No he had left the house on Tuesday and didnt come home that night. Very out of character for Keith so my mother tried to file missing person report and the police told her she had to wait 48hrs. She then called one of his so called friends who said "I know where he is I will go get him". That was on Wednesday and his body was found Thursday.