I can't believe this hasn't been asked before (or maybe it has and I've just been unobservant) but given that most of us have seen most if not all of the UFO segments broadcasted on UM I have two questions for the group

1) Given what you've seen from the UFO segments on UM, do you believe in UFOs/aliens etc.?

2) Which UFO segments do you believe are the most convincing as far as making a legitimate argument that claims of the existence of UFOs/aliens may be legitimate?
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Here are my thoughts:

The jury is still out on question number one as far as a yes or no answer covering the subject matter in such a broad scope.

I will say this though, to this day, The Allagash Abductions is the one segment I cannot watch before going to bed at night. It just seems very real to me. Unless the men in that segment are trained actors what they communicate to the viewer in that segment is a real sense of fear as to what they claimed they experienced. So I don't know how else to explain it except to accuse them flat out as being liars or the victims of mass hallucination but those individuals certainly seem to believe what happened to them on that evening was legitimate.

I would also say the Betty Cash case just because of how legtimate she came across in the segment, it is pretty hard for me at least to just instantly discredit her.

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Well most likely there are other life forms out there but they definitely aren't little green men in UFO's so well advanced that they can travel light years to get here... and crash into the side of our planet.

Of the more believeable; I don't know what happened to Frederick Valentich, I'd sure like to know.

I agree with you on the Allagash Abductions and the Betty Cash case. Both of those cases are VERY intriguing to say the least. I believe those cases for the folling reasons:

Allagash Abductions - All 5 men saw the same exact thing when they went on the boat, the spacecraft shining a beaming light on them. When they came back, their bonfire had gone down to embers, which would take HOURS. I doubt they were out on that boat for hours at a time. Then, when put under hypnosis, they gave a lot of detail as to what those "aliens" did to them. The amount of details those men gave was incredible.

Betty Cash - The poor woman and her son suffered a great deal after their sighting. One of the women said that their hands SUNK INTO THE DASHBOARD when the car abruptly stopped in front of the spacecraft. Now, I don't know about you, but that has never happened to me! When they met with those military men, Betty had seen a map on a wall & there was a thumbtack on the same exact spot where the spacecraft was seen. The military obviously knew something but weren't willing to help.

Oooo, good question DarkDante.

1. I don't know for sure if UFOs can be attributed to ET life, as it were. There's a lot of evidence to suggest that they can be, but I'm not 100% on it---or even 80%. I certainly believe UFOs exist, however. I've seen too many things firsthand to believe they don't.

2. I too have always felt the Allagash Abductions were very credible, as are the "missing time" victims. Whether or not they were actually alien encounters (as opposed to some other phenomenon) is up in the air for me, though.

I definitely believe there is life outside our planet. Probability dictates so.

Whether they have actually visited us, I don;t know.

In my opinion the UFO phenemonon is a mix of hoaxes, natural phenemona, misconceptions, psychological illness and a few real genuine UFO incidents

1. I to this day believe that ROSWELL was a real UFO crash. In fact I believe that there have been multiple crashes that have occured throughout our history.

2. I think some of the Foo Fighter incidents were real.

3. Allagash Abductions, I think are some sort of pyschological phenomena or hoax and not a real incident.

4. I believe the US govt has some info on UFOs but not as much as conspiracy nuts think.

5. I think MIB is pure mixture of paronia, real FBI interogations ,misconception and hoaxes.

6. I don;t believe in ANY of the so called UFO photos.

http://i71.photobucket.com/albums/i135/housetango/MoviesTV/TheTruthIsOutThere.jpg

I believe there is other intelligent life out there somewhere.

As to whether "they" have come here, I tend to doubt it.

However, I do think some of the abduction stories are very compelling. I would be curious to know what some of the psychological and physical explanations for these experiences are. I am aware of sleep paralysis, but I'm sure there are other explanations (aside from lying/hoaxing).

I would be curious to know what some of the psychological and physical explanations for these experiences are. I am aware of sleep paralysis, but I'm sure there are other explanations (aside from lying/hoaxing).

There has been the theory that alien abductions are actually repressed memories from the childbirth process. That the trauma of seeing doctors taking us out of he womb is a memory that is with us always through out our life and these memories can exhibit themselves during our adult lives.

There is also the belief that alien abductions could be an ingrained phobia of medical surgery. Even if people haven;t had surgery, they may have this fear of doctors examining them and opening up their bodies.

Ive actually always wanted to know what Crystaldawn thought about this subject. I don't know why. But i just feel like picking on her and putting her on the spot.

There has been the theory that alien abductions are actually repressed memories from the childbirth process. That the trauma of seeing doctors taking us out of he womb is a memory that is with us always through out our life and these memories can exhibit themselves during our adult lives.

There is also the belief that alien abductions could be an ingrained phobia of medical surgery. Even if people haven;t had surgery, they may have this fear of doctors examining them and opening up their bodies.

This is a lot more credible of an explanation than aliens being real.

Ive actually always wanted to know what Crystaldawn thought about this subject. I don't know why. But i just feel like picking on her and putting her on the spot.

Lol, well I'm flattered you would want to know my opinion Joshypiano. Well I think its possible that there are alien life forms out there. There have been a few UM segments that seem believable like Allagash, Stephen Michalak and most certainly Betty Cash. I think most of the UM ones seem pretty unbelievable though. A perfect example is the woman who claimed a tiny ufo flew in her window and passed over her, curing her of cancer. :rolleyes:

A perfect example is the woman who claimed a tiny ufo flew in her window and passed over her, curing her of cancer. :rolleyes:

Yeah I remember that case reminded me of the old Twilight Zone episode of the woman who has a tiny spaceship crash in her attic.

Yeah I remember that case reminded me of the old Twilight Zone episode of the woman who has a tiny spaceship crash in her attic.

The Invaders - starring Agnes Moorehead

I think this topic could be expanded to all Unexplained phenomena, such as Bigfoot, Nessie, Mothman etc.

I for one believe in the Yeti and the possibility that some of the lake monsters are genuine (probably some species of Large Eels, IMHO).

The thing i find interesting about Bigfoot and Yeti is that the people who lived in the area (Tibetians and Native Americans) all seemed to treat this creature in the lore like it was an animal.

The Native Americans put Sasquatch on their totems along with Hawks, Bears, etc. They just seemed to believe in the animal in a way that seemed different from believing in a deity.

I dunno if Bigfoot and Yeti are still around but I do believe they might have existed at some point. Perhaps they became extinct and later became fodder for hoaxes.

I for one believe in the Yeti and the possibility that some of the lake monsters are genuine (probably some species of Large Eels, IMHO).

The thing i find interesting about Bigfoot and Yeti is that the people who lived in the area (Tibetians and Native Americans) all seemed to treat this creature in the lore like it was an animal.

The Native Americans put Sasquatch on their totems along with Hawks, Bears, etc. They just seemed to believe in the animal in a way that seemed different from believing in a deity.

I dunno if Bigfoot and Yeti are still around but I do believe they might have existed at some point. Perhaps they became extinct and later became fodder for hoaxes.

There was a giant ape called Giantopithecus Blacki that is now extinct. The fossil records pretty much corroborate its existence. It lived in Asia thousands of years ago, and was about 9 to 10 tall and 1000-1200 pounds. This is why I tend to believe more in Yetti than the North Western Big Foot. Anthropological evidence indicates that they lived side by side with modern homo sapiens, and it can explain why those indigenous cultures seem to past the legend from one generation to the next.

Two interesting UFO tales that weren’t covered by UM, those are Travis Walton and the Betty and Barney Hill stories. Travis Walton was a man in Arizona who went missing after his friends claim a UFO took him. They were suspected of foul play and were given polygraph tests. After a few days, he was found and his friends cleared. They even all re-took polygraph tests and all past with flying colors. This was made into the film “Fire in the Sky.”

Another major story was the infamous Betty and Barney Hill story. This was made into a film called “The UFO Incident.” They were a bi-racial couple that was allegedly abducted by Aliens in New Hampshire. Betty Hill claimed that they did a pregnancy test, which was not available at the time by humans. In addition, through hypnosis she drew a star map of Zeta Reticuli, the star system that the alien figure claimed they came from. Ironically, it wasn’t years later until that star system would be discovered by the astronomer Marjorie Fish, who was able to identify the hill star map. But there is debate about the authenticity of the star map and it’s relation to Zeta Reticuli.

Both of those stories were covered by the documentary UFO’s Are Real which was made back in 1979. That is where UM got the footage of the Jessie Marcel Sr interview used on the Roswell story

The Invaders - starring Agnes Moorehead

There was another one about UFO's called the People of Maple Street? It was about aliens turning one community against the other. Wiseguy, the Twilight Zone expert, correct me if got the title wrong? The story had awesome insight to how a paranoid community turns against each other. I think it was a social commentary about McCarthyism. It could also imply to the numerous UM stories where one family blames the other, and it turns out to be NONE of the people who are accused.

There was another one about UFO's called the People of Maple Street? It was about aliens turning one community against the other. Wiseguy, the Twilight Zone expert, correct me if got the title wrong? The story had awesome insight to how a paranoid community turns against each other. I think it was a social commentary about McCarthyism. It could also imply to the numerous UM stories where one family blames the other, and it turns out to be NONE of the people who are accused.


That episode is titled "The Monsters are Due on Maple Street"

Based on the UFO Segments that were featured on UM and cases featured on other shows. I do believe in aliens and UFO's. There just way too many sightings and experiences to discredit.

I remember reading somewhere online the Guardian UFO case that happened in Canada was proven to be a hoax. Does anyone know anything about this?

Frederich Valentich is definitely the most plausible case in support of the theory that aliens and UFOs really do exist. It always gives me chills whenever I'd see the segment on UM and Robert Stack would repeat his final message...I wonder what exactly Valentich did see that day...

http://www.alienvideo.net/0805/alien-abduction-mutilation.php

I think the segment about the Men in Black was pretty lame if you ask me. The car shop owner who claims to have been abducted and then harassed by men in black just seemed like he was absolutely lying through his pearly whites. Everything about his demeanor was setting off some red flares to me...and then the woman they interviewed was a laugh. She just SAW a man in a black trenchcoat on a hot day in New York, and thought he was following her because she allegedly got abducted. Hello? The man didn't even attempt to even look at her and she thought he was following her. Pure hogwash.

1. I think there are two seperate questions. I have no doubt that there is other intelligent life in the universe, simply based on the odds. However, I am unaware of any credible evidence that establishs that said life is visiting the earth. It's possible, of course, but you would think that, if so, some conclusive proof would exist from 4000+ years of recorded human history. I cannot accept that there is a worldwide government conspiracy to cover same proof, not because i have unblinding faith in the governments, but because I doubt their competance and ability to orchestrate some a cover-up even if they wished to.

2. I can't put any faith in any abduction experience, as I can't place any faith in hypnosis as a means to "recover" these experiences (which is, to the best of my knowledge, entirely the case). I'm not saying that "abductees" are lying or intentially defrauding anyone, it's just so incredibly easy to have memories planted by hypnosis and most researchers have agendas that make them, consciously, or unconsciously, do just that.

I think the segment about the Men in Black was pretty lame if you ask me. The car shop owner who claims to have been abducted and then harassed by men in black just seemed like he was absolutely lying through his pearly whites. Everything about his demeanor was setting off some red flares to me...and then the woman they interviewed was a laugh. She just SAW a man in a black trenchcoat on a hot day in New York, and thought he was following her because she allegedly got abducted. Hello? The man didn't even attempt to even look at her and she thought he was following her. Pure hogwash.

Ohhh I feel the same way. I thought that was one of the weakest UM segments ever. :rolleyes:

To myself I often ponder, "why would God only make intelligent life on just Earth"? Up in space there are hundreds of galaxy's that haven't been explored, that we don't have the technology yet to explore, but maybe some day we will. There are probably thousands of uncharted planets out there, even in our own Milky Way galaxy that are unexplored that we don't even know exist yet, who's to say that there isn't life forms of some kind or another on any of them? As for UFO's it's pretty hard for me to believe that all the governments of the world could collaborate to cover-up something of this magnitude, it would be way to hard for them. As it is the persons who have claimed to have seen UFO's is a very small percentage of the population, don't you think if they really existed they would have been seen by hundreds or even thousands of people in the night sky? I do!

Truthfully I don't know one way or the other about UFO's and I find them to be some of the least interesting segments on UM. That is just me, and I know for a lot of folks they are the favorite segments.

I agree the men in black segment was lame.

I agree the men in black segment was lame.

Was watching a show about this the other day, Is it Real or not? The people that claim to be abducted by alien are skitzo. Apparently the therapist plants the idea into the patients mind and by the time the story is finished being told, the therapist doesn't even know what's true anymore. The show also went on to say that the most amount of video or pictures taken of UFO's are from Mexico yet there are rarely any reports of abduction from there. Most seem from the USA...:lol:

Was watching a show about this the other day, Is it Real or not? The people that claim to be abducted by alien are skitzo. Apparently the therapist plants the idea into the patients mind and by the time the story is finished being told, the therapist doesn't even know what's true anymore. The show also went on to say that the most amount of video or pictures taken of UFO's are from Mexico yet there are rarely any reports of abduction from there. Most seem from the USA...:lol:

That's a total over-simplification of the whole abduction phenom

That's odd. There was a tv show that aired here in the states saying that most abductions actually happened in Australia and they were all connected to a mad baby stealing dingo. :eyes2:

Contrary to my intergalactic traveler from the future avatar, I'm not big into the UFO stuff. On today's UFO segment, I was busy doing other things, making lunch, etc.

But I did see the parts where people were saying that the formation of planes were hoaxer pilots flying in formation to simulate a ufo on purpose.

I know there are little small town airports where there's just a big metal hangar and one strech of cement serving as a landing strip and runway. But those airports only serve small prop type planes.

Then there's the smaller county airports where these "hoaxer pilots" could have taken off from, but they run like major airports where they have to file flight info before they can get any where near taking off. And there are air traffic controllers there, etc.

How could the pilots pull off such a big hoax without a bunch of other people knowing who they are, and where and when the flight is scheduled to take place (with written records, since not everyone can be in the same airspace at the same time)?

I can't even begin to believe that they took off from a major airport and I doubt, unless it was a military training operation, that they were military pilots.

I can't even begin to believe that they took off from a major airport and I doubt, unless it was a military training operation, that they were military pilots.

I tend to believe a lot of the UFO sightings are experimental military aircraft or weaponry.

I even think that the Roswell incident might have been a military test and that those bodies were indeed test dummies.

I tend to believe a lot of the UFO sightings are experimental military aircraft or weaponry.

Me too. IMO, the B2 stealth bomber looks like the UFOs everyone was seeing back on the old UM eppies. Wiki says the B2 was first publicly shown in 1988 and had it's first public flight in 1989. That means they had to be testing it privately during the 80s, when lots of people were seeing a triangle shaped, black, object in the night sky. :alien:

That doesn't explain Cattle mutilations, radioactive landing sites, alien implants, missing time, etc etc

That doesn't explain Cattle mutilations, radioactive landing sites, alien implants, missing time, etc etc

Cattle mutilations are covered by the Chupacabra, no? ;)

I think the radioactive landing sites may be military and maybe even the some of the missing time occurrences. Remember the LSD experiments the gov't did on their own guys and that one poor feller ended up 10 flights down, outside his hotel room, very dead? I just don't trust anything about the government. Uncle Sam looks more and more like Big Brother every day.

My mom has a UFO theory that I think is a bit unusual. She believes they are transport vehicles for angels to travel between earth and heaven. Kinda weird, huh?

I don't know what alien implants are. Is that like an alien stepping into a human's body, taking on that person's identity, or something else?

That doesn't explain Cattle mutilations, radioactive landing sites, alien implants, missing time, etc etc. If aliens wanted to examine or eat cows, why wouldn;t they take the whole damn cow with them? Why leave mutilated remains, that leave evidence that you have been there.

Cattle Mutulations-Probably a mix of cults, disease, predator attacks and hoaxes.
If aliens wanted to examine or eat cows, why wouldn;t they take the whole damn cow with them? Why leave mutilated remains, that leave evidence that you have been there. Why not lave just bones instead of carcases.

Missing Time- This may have nothing to do with UFOs and may be a completey different phenomenon. There really is no way to prove this. Missing Time seems to be more subjective than anything.

Radioactive landing sites-
MRV warheads that are in nuclear ballistic missles, do look a lot like some UFOs. It Radiation also does occure naturally as well.
Also sad to say people also dump nuclear wast illegally too, which could result in "radioactive landing sites"

alien implants

As stupid as we may be scientifically, i think even our science would figure out what the implants are and how to use them. So i disregard any implants as being either naturally occuring deposits (calcifications, cysts, stones) , hoaxes or remains from surgical equipment left over in the body.


The UFO incidents i DO believe more in are the electronic signals that we have received over the years via the NASA sattelites. I forget what they call it. "The Bloop" or something?

Frederich Valentich is definitely the most plausible case in support of the theory that aliens and UFOs really do exist.

I think that honor goes to the Bentwaters/Rendelsham Forest Incident. I don't buy that it was from a lighthouse. This whole thing happened over the span of a few days, around military bases. And the people who were the witnesses were military personnel.

Frederich Valentich is definitely the most plausible case in support of the theory that aliens and UFOs really do exist. It always gives me chills whenever I'd see the segment on UM and Robert Stack would repeat his final message...I wonder what exactly Valentich did see that day...
"it is hovering and it's not an aircraft".

1) Given what you've seen from the UFO segments on UM, do you believe in UFOs/aliens etc.?

Define UFO? Any object that flies which is unidentified? Of course.

Would tend to agree with Mastermind on this one.

As for abductions and so on I wouldnt be surprised if the whole thing was related to Mind Control. I find the whole thing very suspicious.

And Chupacabra? What an LOL :)

I've never seen a UFO, I would love too though or be kidnapped by one, but no one can ever convince me that they do not exist. I've said it before. My mom and my sister experienced something weird in Michigan many years ago at night driving on a road that neither could explain nor want to really talk about.

I've heard the story a few times. When I was kid I thought they were just trying to scare me, but as I got older what they described was what many have experienced. I was so shocked. Missing time, strange burn marks, weird dreams for years. They were freaked. I thought they made it all up! This was in the 80's. I've reasearched many cases. A lot are fake, but there are dozens that have no logical explanation.

I dont know what is out there. I dunno if its the government, Aliens, demons, or as some believe human time travellers. I just cant help feel that in this whole solar system we are not the only life out there.

One case I do believe is legitimate in terms of the possibility of discovering other life in our universe is the Roswell incident that occurred in 1947. There seems to be a lot of unusual evidence and events that just don't add up. Way to many to be dismissed as either a hoax or an experiment by the military.

Lol, why is it that every post I make lately seems to have the word "military" in it?

Is it not strange that with many of these UFO incidents the military always seem to be involved?