Just curious if anybody else has gone through this? I am right now, a couple of former SO members are accusing me of some vulgar things like my kids may not be mine, I sleep with sheep, laughing that my daughter is sick. People like Ireneparalegal and Kellyketchup are saying all these vile things about me and other fellow SO members. Hence why I have this avatar and siggy up. I told them to stop and they refuse. These are the people that were "beloved" on SO.

I have never gone through this, at least that I know of because I never saw anyone badmouthing me on other sites.

Me personally it wouldn't bother me; that's how my personality is. I would find it amusing someone says I sleep with sheep, but that's just me.

Would you mind posting links to these "other websites". People have been saying that other SO members left for "other places" but where are they?

It appears we're both getting it, Brian. Kelly, the site owner, told members at her site that, "Janice is probably in on it with Brian". We're being accused of sending Kelly nasty e-mails, when TJ told a member that it's Bobby F. All she has to do is check IPs, and she'd know it's not you.

Kelly Ketchup also openly accuses me on her site of reading the PMs of members here. It's a huge lie. I couldn't if I wanted to, and believe me, I don't want to. Kelly makes and allows all these threads against SO. They trash SO and SO members. They even trash TJ. I guess if threads are allowed at Kelly's site to trash SO, seems fair enough to have a thread to trash them back.

They trash conservatives, call SO members terrible names. When Irene mocked your sick daughter's Prayer Thread, that was the lowest of the low. What I find crazy is that Kelly is crying over your signature, yet she trashes you by name at her site. How hypocritical is that.

They can dish it out, but they can't take it.

I have never gone through this, at least that I know of because I never saw anyone badmouthing me on other sites.

Me personally it wouldn't bother me; that's how my personality is. I would find it amusing someone says I sleep with sheep, but that's just me.

Would you mind posting links to these "other websites". People have been saying that other SO members left for "other places" but where are they?
Brian's been a member here at SO for almost seven years. He has friends here, who post at another site. He's being savaged by lies at that other site. His wife and kids are being ragged on. His seven-year old daughter, Ashlyn, was on death's doors a couple of months ago. We had a huge Prayer Thread for Ashlyn here. A former member here, Irene, posted over there that Brian was sick because he was using his daughter's illness to get sympathy. Brian made an Apology thread here, hoping to bring peace and reconcilliation. Irene mocked that thread as well.

Brian's wife is pregnant and they were joking that Brian wasn't the father and that goats were seen leaving their yard. Now, there's a knee slapper if I ever heard one. It may not seem that big of a deal until you're the one, or your family's the one being publically ripped apart for all to see.

I just wish it would stop, it isn't right for them to bash SO or its members on another site, I mean, it doesn't solve anything. I thought I knew them, I thought they cared about me, then they left me high and dry. I don't need that kind of pain or betrayal in my life. They've gone too far. I'm just glad that most of the people I hurt because of them have given me a second chance, especially Janice and Brian, I dunno what I'd do without you guys!! :bighug:

Its ****ed up when people start talking about people's families, it's bull when it goes their. Brian, I know I have not seen eye-to-eye on some of the threads we've both posted in, but I think it's wrong for people to take it to a personal, family level. Whoever did that, on whatever site is being mentioned and thrown in the middle, STOP it.

Brian's been a member here at SO for almost seven years. He has friends here, who post at another site. He's being savaged by lies at that other site. His wife and kids are being ragged on. His seven-year old daughter, Ashlyn, was on death's doors a couple of months ago. We had a huge Prayer Thread for Ashlyn here. A former member here, Irene, posted over there that Brian was sick because he was using his daughter's illness to get sympathy. Brian made an Apology thread here, hoping to bring peace and reconcilliation. Irene mocked that thread as well.

Brian's wife is pregnant and they were joking that Brian wasn't the father and that goats were seen leaving their yard. Now, there's a knee slapper if I ever heard one. It may not seem that big of a deal until you're the one, or your family's the one being publically ripped apart for all to see.

And these are grown adults doing this? People must really have no life to be doing things like this at mature ages.

Seems like a bunch of disgruntled SO members who still want to rag on the people here.

I used to really like Irene and Kelly and haven't a clue what happened to make them go like this. To me, nothing on this site has ever been that bad that you would go to another site mocking someone like that.

That thing with Brian is the lowest of the low. It reminds me of that sickening message I rec'd saying they hoped I ended up six feet under. And the cops took that very seriously - only one voice mail message. It's called harrassment and it's not amusing, cute or mature.

And quite honestly, in the past, I have been solicited to gang up on Brian or Janice and I just will not do it because I've known about this for some time now. I've been totally neutral really. I think you've both shown a lot of patience, but this is getting to be pretty pathetic.

If you don't like people on this site, either block them or don't deal with them. But don't be going to other sites just to rip apart someone's innocent children. Geez.

The only sites I've ever been badmouthed on are ones that have notoriously bad reputations. RetroJunk I've already mentioned and I'm also known over on 4chan's /tv/ board (I'm not a coward and I don't adhere to rules 1&2) as the "Quettef**". For some reason they keep accusing me of being a fan of Summer Glau (WHO?).
I'm not sure if they hate me over at Oh No They Didn't and the truth is that I don't really care.

I don't see a reason for this thread, all it's going to do is create more drama. If you don't like what someone says, ignore it. Being badmouthed doesn't mean you can badmouth them back and still get to act like you're more mature. Sorry if this bothers anyone but that's how I feel.

There are a lot of hurtful things being said by people on both sites. I've made it very clear in threads on Kelly's site that I believe both Brian and Jaince to be innocent. Especially Janice, who I know would never participate in anything that would hurt other people.

That being said, there are members here (and I don't know who they are) who have been attacking Kelly. She has reveived several PMs from someone claiming to be Brian. Though I know it isn't Brian, it is someone and this has to stop.

I have many friends both here at SO and at Kelly's site, and I hate that this has happened. I hate to see this figthing. I would do anything to put an end to it. :(

I don't see a reason for this thread, all it's going to do is create more drama. If you don't like what someone says, ignore it. Being badmouthed doesn't mean you can badmouth them back and still get to act like you're more mature. Sorry if this bothers anyone but that's how I feel.
It's easy to say when you're not the one being bad mouthed or lied about. What they did was just disgusting. They take pride in the fact that they can talk and make up stories on their website ( which is an open website BTW, it actually used to have a link there from SO).

I was great friends with Irene. I liked to talk to her. The night of Brian's apology thread, I thought finally all the fighting would be over. Everyone could come together. Instead it just got worst. Some of the stuff I heard about was disgusting. I don't like calling anybody out but some people take strength in the fact that all their dirty work is being done behind closed doors so to speak. I can not stand liars and people who fabricate stories about others.

It's easy to say when you're not the one being bad mouthed or lied about. What they did was just disgusting. They take pride in the fact that they can talk and make up stories on their website ( which is an open website BTW, it actually used to have a link there from SO).


I didn't say that it isn't, I said that it's hypocritical to be attacking someone back for what they said about you, while playing the victim role at the same time. I don't know the whole story so I can't say anything else but I don't think one has the right to play the victim role while they're being just as nasty back. Nobody's innocent. I'd say the same thing to anyone.

I just wish it would stop, it isn't right for them to bash SO or its members on another site, I mean, it doesn't solve anything. I thought I knew them, I thought they cared about me, then they left me high and dry. I don't need that kind of pain or betrayal in my life. They've gone too far.
Stick with us, Lauren. We'll never betray you. Irene uses young members to do her dirty work, like you and Kelly. How sick, a middle-aged woman plotting with people her own daughters' age. Wow, do I sound nasty. Sure do, but not as nasty as they are at Kelly's site. This is good press for your site Kelly. Take advantage of it. Then again, not everyone likes to wallow in hate-filled gossip, so the decent people will leave. Most people are good by nature and don't want all this drama.

TJ knows that Irene is poisoning the minds of his members. John/MusicJunkie recently returned to SO. It was nice to have him back, as he's a good poster. I have nothing against him. Irene recruited him to Kelly's site, and began her brainwashing process. It worked. He started believing all the lies. She told him that Brian ran Irene off SO. Big lie. Never happened. Irene left SO because I warned her to stop beating up on the newbies here. That was a little hobby of hers, did it all the time; then, she did it twice in a couple of weeks. First on the Diff'rent Strokes board, then on the Facts of Life board. Despite TJ warning her numerous times to stop bullying the newbies, she kept doing it. She was sneaky about it, but she did it, often, and TJ didn't appreciate having his new members being run off the site.

Irene was angry because I warned her publicly. She bullied the newbies publically, but wanted to be warned privately. Gee, that's fair. I know Irene can cause all the trouble she wants at Kelly's site, but she wouldn't dare try it at other places she's posting. She's an angel there, I'm sure. I never did anythng to Irene or Kelly. Neither did Brian. Yet, they continue to trash us publicly. I wonder how they'll like it, happening to them. It's a lousy feeling.

It's time that people know the truth. Irene was popular here, but get on her bad side and she would plot your demise. Her quote for a good friend of hers here, "He's gotta go." I heard this firsthand from someone who used to plot with Irene.

Just two months ago, I was e-mailing with Irene, and she was being so nice to me. I then read that she's ripping me apart on Kelly's site, for all to see. I wrote back and told her that I wouldn't be friends with her if she was the last person on earth. She's a backstabber. She uses her age to influence the younger members.

I guess if threads are allowed at Kelly's site to trash SO, seems fair enough to have a thread to trash them back.


Is that the adult way to handle a problem?
You can't really think it is.
Life isn't an eye for an eye.

I didn't say that it isn't, I said that it's hypocritical to be attacking someone back for what they said about you, while playing the victim role at the same time. I don't know the whole story so I can't say anything else but I don't think one has the right to play the victim role while they're being just as nasty back. Nobody's innocent. I'd say the same thing to anyone.
Yea instead the person should just take it and let the lies continue. Sorry I did that in Junior High and I've regretted it ever since. The lies just keep growing. If you don't put a stop to it then people will start believing it. I tell you one thing if this was happening to me , I would have done something about it alot sooner. Brian and Janice are better people than me.

Yea instead the person should just take it and let the lies continue. Sorry I did that in Junior High and I've regretted it ever since. The lies just keep growing. If you don't put a stop to it then people will start believing it. I tell you one thing if this was happening to me , I would have done something about it alot sooner. Brian and Janice are better people than me.

There's a difference between saying what was said isn't true, and attacking back. If anything it's sad that people double my age or more don't have more to occupy their lives than fighting online. or worried what others are saying about them. There's a way to end the fighting; log off the computer and walk away!

There are a lot of hurtful things being said by people on both sites. I've made it very clear in threads on Kelly's site that I believe both Brian and Jaince to be innocent. Especially Janice, who I know would never participate in anything that would hurt other people.

That being said, there are members here (and I don't know who they are) who have been attacking Kelly. She has reveived several PMs from someone claiming to be Brian. Though I know it isn't Brian, it is someone and this has to stop.

I have many friends both here at SO and at Kelly's site, and I hate that this has happened. I hate to see this figthing. I would do anything to put an end to it. :(
You can put an end to it. Tell Irene and Kelly to stop it. Tell Kelly to not allow threads attacking SO and its members. Mike, how about earlier this year when Irene lied to you and told you that I was talking bad about you. Never happened. I've always been fond of you, and you and I never had any problems. When Irene made up those lies, you told them to a few people that we're mutual friends with, so you and I stopped "talking" here for probably seven months. I have no idea why Irene did that. Just to cause trouble in my life, I guess. That was just nuts. I feel bad that you and I lost all that time as friends, simply because Irene lied to you. I've never said a bad thing about you.

ha...if i were irene, i wouldn't come back here either after being caught backstabbing and slandering my friends here.

based on what i know, i would assume most people there are aware that the things they're saying is a bunch of untrue garbage. i don't know for sure though, i'm definitely not saying it isn't something to be upset about.

Is that the adult way to handle a problem?
You can't really think it is.
Life isn't an eye for an eye.
Right, when you're attacked and your family is attacked at an open message board, just walk away. You do it your way, we'll do it ours.

ha...if i were irene, i wouldn't come back here either after being caught backstabbing and slandering my friends here.

based on what i know, i would assume most people there are aware that the things they're saying is a bunch of untrue garbage. i don't know for sure though, i'm definitely not saying it isn't something to be upset about.
That's just it, Sarah. Irene is very cunning and charming. So she befriends people, but for sport, she starts trouble via her young friends. And sorry to say, people are buying into the lies at Kelly's site.

You can put an end to it. Tell Irene and Kelly to stop it. Tell Kelly to not allow threads attacking SO and its members. Mike, how about earlier this year when Irene lied to you and told you that I was talking bad about you. Never happened. I've always been fond of you, and you and I never had any problems. When Irene made up those lies, you told a few people that we're mutual friends with, so you and I stopped "talking" here for probably seven months. I have no idea why Irene did that. Just to cause trouble in my life, I guess. That was just nuts. I feel bad that you and I lost all that time as friends, simply because Irene lied to you. I've never said a bad thing about you.


Actually, and I don't know much about this whole thing, nor do I really want to, but I can TOTALLY vouch for Janice here. She has ALWAYS had nothing but good things to say about you Mike and I the first I knew of anything at all was when she was so hurt by you turning on her and believing lies other people were telling you.

And like I said, I always liked Irene and thought she was a reasonable person. She's a parent too so she should know how Brian would feel. I wish it would stop too.:(

Right, when you're attacked and your family is attacked at an open message board, just walk away. You do it your way, we'll do it ours.
i agree. these aren't just some random idiots saying "lolz brian sux." if i'm not mistaken these were friends of his, and the stuff i've been hearing them say is despicable.

i agree. these aren't just some random idiots saying "lolz brian sux." if i'm not mistaken these were friends of his, and the stuff i've been hearing them say is despicable.
:nod:


Will someone PM me and tell me what exactly is happening? Id like to know

ha...if i were irene, i wouldn't come back here either after being caught backstabbing and starting nasty lies about my friends here.

based on what i know, i would assume most people there are aware that the things they're saying is a bunch of made-up garbage. i don't know for sure though, i'm definitely not saying it isn't something to be upset about.

Kelly is being attacked by someone or someones here at SO. True, it is neither Janice and or Brian. I have made my views quite clear over at Kelly's site that I believe in their innocence. Anyone can go over there and read those posts. However, the fact remains that members of SO are attacking Kelly. That must stop.

Right, when you're attacked and your family is attacked at an open message board, just walk away. You do it your way, we'll do it ours.

im just saying, it's only the internet. i completely understand that there are offensive things on both sides but it doesn't have to be a huge issue. maybe i don't understand because i am not a part of this but i don't see how any of this really has a long-lasting effect on anyone's offline life.

Kelly is being attacked by someone or someones here at SO. True, it is neither Janice and or Brian. I have made my views quite clear over at Kelly's site that I believe in their innocence. Anyone can go over there and read those posts. However, the fact remains that members of SO are attacking Kelly. That must stop.
If its not them why do they say its them?

Id like to read them but for some reason I cant, even though ive registered



I hope there's nothing said about me or my fellow Smurfmuppet-whatever we are now, Archtards?there

It's Bobby F. who is sending the messages. All Kelly has to do is check the IPs. She probably already has, and knows it's not Brian. She just wants a "reason" to continue to slander him. Brian sent Kelly an e-mail and told her off, and that it's not him. She wrote back that she was going to continue. He told her he was going to go public. Fair is fair. If Kelly can slam us at her site, let's see how she likes it.

I hear Kelly was upset before this thread, just over the ketchup slam in Brian's signature. Looks like Kelly can't take the heat when it's aimed at her. Not sounding so tough now, are you Kells, like you were in your e-mail back to Brian.

Also, they've been slamming us for months now, long before Kelly started getting any messages.

That's just it, Sarah. Irene is very cunning and charming. So she befriends people, but for sport, she starts trouble via her young friends. And sorry to say, people are buying into the lies at Kelly's site.
that's horrible. people have gotten into legal trouble over doing this sort of thing on the internet...some type of libel/harrassment laws.

There's a difference between saying what was said isn't true, and attacking back. If anything it's sad that people double my age or more don't have more to occupy their lives than fighting online. or worried what others are saying about them. There's a way to end the fighting; log off the computer and walk away!
It might end the fighting but will it stop people from telling lies? This has been going on for months and for the most part its been ignored. Nothing ever changes. I'd probably feel a hell of alot worst if I gave up the computer and let a bunch of liars win.

Kelly is being attacked by someone or someones here at SO. True, it is neither Janice and or Brian. I have made my views quite clear over at Kelly's site that I believe in their innocence. Anyone can go over there and read those posts. However, the fact remains that members of SO are attacking Kelly. That must stop.


As owner of the site, can't she see where the IP address is coming from and know who it is?

Maybe even Todd could get involved if need be to compare IP addresses. Just thinking - so there's no more wrong accusations thrown around. I know this core group isn't the only ones having trouble. It's expanding. I had someone have to ask me the other day about things (and I'll never reveal who it was as I stay discrete). It could have blown into a big terrible thing here again.

It could well be "only the internet" - but when it starts getting THIS nasty and going THIS far, it's ridiculous and could hurt Todd's site that he's worked years to build.

im just saying, it's only the internet. i completely understand that there are offensive things on both sides but it doesn't have to be a huge issue. maybe i don't understand because i am not a part of this but i don't see how any of this really has a long-lasting effect on anyone's offline life.
there have been many cases of online lies ending up being heard by people in the victim's offline life (family, employers, etc) and damaging their reputations. it's a huge deal.

Actually, and I don't know much about this whole thing, nor do I really want to, but I can TOTALLY vouch for Janice here. She has ALWAYS had nothing but good things to say about you Mike and I the first I knew of anything at all was when she was so hurt by you turning on her and believing lies other people were telling you.

And like I said, I always liked Irene and thought she was a reasonable person. She's a parent too so she should know how Brian would feel. I wish it would stop too.:(

I agree with you in regards to Janice. I am deeply, deeply sorry for turning on her earlier this year. She has always been kind to me. I know that she has nothing to do with what is going on

At the the same time, I've always found Kelly to be a very nice young lady. I've known her for several years and she is a sweet, kind hearted person. Everything that she has said towards anyone here that may be cruel was because she felt attacked.

It might end the fighting but will it stop people from telling lies? This has been going on for months and for the most part its been ignored. Nothing ever changes. I'd probably feel a hell of alot worst if I gave up the computer and let a bunch of liars win.

someone has to stop and pull away from the issue. That's what both sides want, a reaction from the other and someone has to be the bigger person and not give a reaction.

I just wish I knew what was really going on here, I only have a vague idea. I hadn't posted much until recently but I used to post with a different name. How did this all start?

there have been many cases of online lies ending up being heard by people in the victim's offline life (family, employers, etc) and damaging their reputations. it's a huge deal.

i admit, i don't understand the magnitude of this issue so it's probably worse than i'd imagined. i just wish there wasn't an issue. there are people i am fond of over there (i don't post on those boards but i am registered there) and probably some i am not, and there are people i am both fond of and not fond of here. not everyone will like eachother but i don't understand the issue :/

At the the same time, I've always found Kelly to be a very nice young lady. I've known her for several years and she is a sweet, kind hearted person. Everything that she has said towards anyone here that may be cruel was because she felt attacked.


Same here Mike - I always really liked Kelly - never a thing against her, and for me personally right now, still nothing against her other than allowing herself to be manipulated by Irene. We all know where this is all coming from. She's managed to convince Kelly. Kelly's probably as innocently caught up in this as much as you were/are.

As you can see, nobody here has ever brought it up on the boards. We've tried to make it go away by the Royal Family Rule - Ignore It. But it hasn't. And when a hard working man and his family are attacked, where it could cause further problems as Sarah mentioned, then it's very serious.

This also wasn't brought up now running them down and name calling. Just stating what's going on to finally clear the air. It's been like a huge elephant in the room the past few months since I've come back. People were wondering on their "Irene Please Come Back" thread - this is why. Irene got caught in her web of lies. She was never banned. Simple as that.

i admit, i don't understand the magnitude of this issue so it's probably worse than i'd imagined. i just wish there wasn't an issue. there are people i am fond of over there (i don't post on those boards but i am registered there) and probably some i am not, and there are people i am both fond of and not fond of here. not everyone will like eachother but i don't understand the issue :/
yeah, same. i've got to wonder what would motivate kelly to say things like that about someone. she's always been one of the nicest members here.

could someone post a link to those boards or PM it to me? this is all pretty shocking.

yeah, same. i've got to wonder what would motivate kelly to say things like that about someone. she's always been one of the nicest members here.

could someone post a link to those boards or PM it to me? this is all pretty shocking.

same. i want to hear both sides of the story in entirety and then figure out what happened.

Back in 2005, Irene registered at SO. A few people who didn't like me here, recruited her to get a gang-up going against me. So, being the dutiful sh*tstarter that she is, she went right to work. She started sending out PMs to people to be mean to me, harass me, that sort of thing. Now remember, Irene was a brand new member at this point. She made the mistake of sending a couple of PMs to my friends, one who told her to take a hike. This person told me about it, but I never made an issue of it.

This past Spring, I was chatting with Irene over an issue where she organized the gang-up and character smear of a long-time member here. She ended up getting suspended over that, but I digress. I told Irene that I knew what she did to me three years ago, and her defense was this: "I was approached to go after you. I was new here, and I didn't know any better."

Can you imagine registering at a large website and going after the moderator, who never did a thing to you? I can't imagine it, but it happened. Irene admitted it. You have to be a certain type of person to do something like that. It was there early on, from the beginning, the plotting and scheming.

All we are saying.....





is give peace a chance

I agree with you in regards to Janice. I am deeply, deeply sorry for turning on her earlier this year. She has always been kind to me. I know that she has nothing to do with what is going on

Mike, you didn't turn on me. Your head was filled with lies. I wish you had come to me and we could have settled it sooner. I'm just glad that we figured it out.

could someone post a link to those boards or PM it to me? this is all pretty shocking.
It's invite only, but someone should have a link. I'm sure the place has been scrubbed down by now. It's all Disney threads now, lol. I read the threads with my own two eyes. They've been ripping SO, me, Brian and a few others apart for months now. It's come to a boiling point because Kelly is repeating a LIE that Brian is sending her nasty messages, and he's not. One of them had a gay slur against John. Brian has never had a problem with John, but John was upset. Like Mike, he was fed a lie. It's getting to the point where Irene and Kelly are trying to get people to dislike us.

Brian did send Kelly a nasty e-mail the other day, telling her to stop the lies, and that he hasn't been sending her anything. She was nasty back, but made it clear that she wasn't going to stop the lies. He told her he would do this. She didn't heed his warning.

It doesn't feel so nice, now does it Kelly and Irene?

Thank you Mike, Tara, Lauren, Cathie and Sarah for your support.

I am right now, a couple of former SO members are accusing me of some vulgar things like my kids may not be mine, I sleep with sheep, laughing that my daughter is sick.


when TJ told a member that it's Bobby F. All she has to do is check IPs, and she'd know it's not you.


Brian's wife is pregnant and they were joking that Brian wasn't the father and that goats were seen leaving their yard. Now, there's a knee slapper if I ever heard one. It may not seem that big of a deal until you're the one, or your family's the one being publically ripped apart for all to see.


It's Bobby F. who is sending the messages. All Kelly has to do is check the IPs. She probably already has, and knows it's not Brian. She just wants a "reason" to continue to slander him. Brian sent Kelly an e-mail and told her off, and that it's not him. She wrote back that she was going to continue. He told her he was going to go public. Fair is fair. If Kelly can slam us at her site, let's see how she likes it.

Also, they've been slamming us for months now, long before Kelly started getting any messages.



I think only fair to defend myself. First of all everything in bold, I DID NOT SAY. That is a lie. And of course I suspected it was Brian. He told me after Irene joined my site, I would be sorry. Here are the e-mails I recieved from Brian. I should also say, that to delete this post would be unfair because it is not giving me a chance to defend myself and if you delete my post, you have to delete the whole thing because there's not supposed to be threads towards members.


Listen to me you big fat pig, you want to bash SO, go ahead. You want to call me a Janice and a few other people names? Go ahead! When Irene talked about my daughter, she went above and beyond. This is just the beginning, I assure you. Instead of worshipping Nancy, why don't you find a boyfriend are some actual REAL friends instead of being online all day long, fatso.


Oh nooooooooo, oh my God, I am not liked?!? What ever will I do? Again, you need to focus your attention on finding a guy or a girl and having a real life. As for me, I have a wife, two beautiful kids, another on the way, a house and a job that I love. You? Well, you have Nancy McKeon to idolize and a few online friends, but overall sweetie, you are a loser. Face it, you wonder why Mom and Dad hate you and probably regret that you were born, it's because, you have no life.

Tell Ms. Irene, that she is not going to talk about my kids. Not on your site, not on SO, not anywhere. So do us all a favor babe, and go **** yourself snookems. It's war and soon you will find out what I am going to do Kelly.

Kelly, I don't know who you THINK you are, but you better check yourself. Do you actually think I would waste my time with you? Don't flatter yourself, you aren’t worth the time. I had nothing, I repeat, NOTHING to do with calling John a ****** or any other name. The very last thing on my mind is a lonely girl who worships a has been t v star on a dead ass website like yours. You are pathetic, do not drag my name in the mud. You seem to have this habit of crying wolf. Wasn't it you who claimed that Mikado came onto you? LMAO that's a hoot! I don't give a rats ass if you breath or not. You mean nothing to me, but I will be damned if you or anybody else will poison other minds and make me look bad. Some of your so called "friends on that site" don't even like you. Check ip addresses if you have to, because it is not me, it never was me and it will never be me. I have a wife 2 kids and another on the way, any such prospects for you? I doubt it. Now **** off and leave my name out of this.
LOL you kill me, not even the few people on your little pathetic website think it is me. You wanna guess why? Oh wait, let me answer that for you, because it isn't me. LOL You keep bad mouthing me on your 6 person website, I have got a MUCH bigger site to bad mouth you. Which I guess is only fair. I mean, you badmouth sitcomsonline, you badmouth various people on your site including me, so now it is going to be my turn to bad mouth you. I hope you have no pics on SO, because I have an idea for a great new avatar tubby. lol So you wanna keep bad mouthing me, you are in for a WORLD of embarrassment. Kisses and Hugs sweetie.

Then the names on my site started, obscene names of me being fat with yellow teeth, which is what is EXACTLY in his signature. How would any of you react??

Mike, you didn't turn on me. Your head was filled with lies. I wish you had come to me and we could have settled it sooner. I'm just glad that we figured it out.


Sorry - that was my poor choice of words. I just know Janice was heartbroken about it.

I am right now, a couple of former SO members are accusing me of some vulgar things like my kids may not be mine, I sleep with sheep, laughing that my daughter is sick.


when TJ told a member that it's Bobby F. All she has to do is check IPs, and she'd know it's not you.


Brian's wife is pregnant and they were joking that Brian wasn't the father and that goats were seen leaving their yard. Now, there's a knee slapper if I ever heard one. It may not seem that big of a deal until you're the one, or your family's the one being publically ripped apart for all to see.


It's Bobby F. who is sending the messages. All Kelly has to do is check the IPs. She probably already has, and knows it's not Brian. She just wants a "reason" to continue to slander him. Brian sent Kelly an e-mail and told her off, and that it's not him. She wrote back that she was going to continue. He told her he was going to go public. Fair is fair. If Kelly can slam us at her site, let's see how she likes it.

Also, they've been slamming us for months now, long before Kelly started getting any messages.



I think only fair to defend myself. First of all everything in bold, I DID NOT SAY. That is a lie. And of course I suspected it was Brian. He told me after Irene joined my site, I would be sorry. Here are the e-mails I recieved from Brian. I should also say, that to delete this post would be unfair because it is not giving me a chance to defend myself and if you delete my post, you have to delete the whole thing because there's not supposed to be threads towards members.


Listen to me you big fat pig, you want to bash SO, go ahead. You want to call me a Janice and a few other people names? Go ahead! When Irene talked about my daughter, she went above and beyond. This is just the beginning, I assure you. Instead of worshipping Nancy, why don't you find a boyfriend are some actual REAL friends instead of being online all day long, fatso.


Oh nooooooooo, oh my God, I am not liked?!? What ever will I do? Again, you need to focus your attention on finding a guy or a girl and having a real life. As for me, I have a wife, two beautiful kids, another on the way, a house and a job that I love. You? Well, you have Nancy McKeon to idolize and a few online friends, but overall sweetie, you are a loser. Face it, you wonder why Mom and Dad hate you and probably regret that you were born, it's because, you have no life.

Tell Ms. Irene Avila, that she is not going to talk about my kids. Not on your site, not on SO, not anywhere. So do us all a favor babe, and go **** yourself snookems. It's war and soon you will find out what I am going to do Kelly.

Kelly, I don't know who you THINK you are, but you better check yourself. Do you actually think I would waste my time with you? Don't flatter yourself, you aren’t worth the time. I had nothing, I repeat, NOTHING to do with calling John a ****** or any other name. The very last thing on my mind is a lonely girl who worships a has been t v star on a dead ass website like yours. You are pathetic, do not drag my name in the mud. You seem to have this habit of crying wolf. Wasn't it you who claimed that Mikado came onto you? LMAO that's a hoot! I don't give a rats ass if you breath or not. You mean nothing to me, but I will be damned if you or anybody else will poison other minds and make me look bad. Some of your so called "friends on that site" don't even like you. Check ip addresses if you have to, because it is not me, it never was me and it will never be me. I have a wife 2 kids and another on the way, any such prospects for you? I doubt it. Now **** off and leave my name out of this.
LOL you kill me, not even the few people on your little pathetic website think it is me. You wanna guess why? Oh wait, let me answer that for you, because it isn't me. LOL You keep bad mouthing me on your 6 person website, I have got a MUCH bigger site to bad mouth you. Which I guess is only fair. I mean, you badmouth sitcomsonline, you badmouth various people on your site including me, so now it is going to be my turn to bad mouth you. I hope you have no pics on SO, because I have an idea for a great new avatar tubby. lol So you wanna keep bad mouthing me, you are in for a WORLD of embarrassment. Kisses and Hugs sweetie.

Then the names on my site started, obscene names of me being fat with yellow teeth, which is what is EXACTLY in his signature. How would any of you react??

I can't speak for much in this situation but a lot of what he said to you was horrible, and if he felt like you did something to offend him he could have defended himself without calling you a fat pig, or saying your parents probably hate you and wish you weren't born. that was unnecessary.

Kelly, you and Irene started it. How did you expect Brian to react to you. You were allowing and participating in members rag on his family. Why don't you post your nasty PMs Kelly. I can do it. I've got them.

I can't speak for much in this situation but a lot of what he said to you was horrible, and if he felt like you did something to offend him he could have defended himself without calling you a fat pig, or saying your parents probably hate you and wish you weren't born. that was unnecessary.
Now he's got an opinion. It's only the Internet.....

Kelly, you and Irene started it. How did you expect Brian to react to you. You were allowing and participating in members rag on his family. Why don't you post your nasty PMs Kelly. I can do it. I've got them.

JW, how did you get her PMs? She PMed you, saying nasty things?

I'm so confused with this rollercoaster thread, it's unbelievable.

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-----Original Message-----
From: Brian Gravagna <BDamage1@msn.com (BDamage1@msn.com)>
To: rkellyketchup88@aol.com (rkellyketchup88@aol.com)
Sent: Wed, 12 Nov 2008 12:54 am
Subject: WTF?


Kelly, I don't know who you THINK you are, but you better check yourself. Do you actually think I would waste my time with you? Don't flatter yourself, you aren't worth the time. I had nothing, I repeat, NOTHING to do with calling John a ****** or any other name. The very last thing on my mind is a lonely girl who worships a has been t v star on a dead ass website like yours. You are pathetic, do not drag my name in the mud. You seem to have this habit of crying wolf. Wasn't it you who claimed that Mikado came onto you? LMAO that's a hoot! I don't give a rats ass if you breath or not. You mean nothing to me, but I will be damned if you or anybody else will poison other minds and make me look bad. Some of your so called "friends on that site" don't even like you. Check ip addresses if you have to, because it is not me, it never was me and it will never be me. I have a wife 2 kids and another on the way, any such prospects for you? I doubt it. Now **** off and leave my name out of this.

----- Original Message -----
From: rkellyketchup88@aol.com (rkellyketchup88@aol.com)
To: BDamage1@msn.com (BDamage1@msn.com)
Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2008 2:14 PM
Subject: Re: WTF?


Oh gimme a break. You keep mentioning your wife and kids..meanwhile, when are you with them? you spend more time on Sitcoms Online talking with Janice than your wife. As for my obsession? Does your dream date with Patricia Heaton ring a bell? Please you act so perfect. And I never said on SO that Mikado came onto me so I don't know who's posts you are reading. I'm not suprised though.Do you really think I care if you like me or not? That doesn't matter because I never liked you, so why would you opinion matter to me? What I care about is you making those names on my board, which I KNOW is you, so don't bother. And as for prospects, do you really think someone needs to have a boyfriend who is just like you, to make have respect for myself? That's a laugh. This is the year 2008, you're still living in 1950. And I refuse to leave your name out of the obscene names until you STOP. Have a nice day.

From: BDamage1@msn.com (BDamage1@msn.com)
To: rkellyketchup88@aol.com (rkellyketchup88@aol.com)
Sent: 11/13/2008 11:16:08 P.M. Eastern Standard Time
Subj: Re: WTF?

LOL you kill me, not even the few people on your little pathetic website think it is me. You wanna guess why? Oh wait, let me answer that for you, because it isn't me. LOL You keep bad mouthing me on your 6 person website, I have got a MUCH bigger site to bad mouth you. Which I guess is only fair. I mean, you badmouth sitcomsonline, you badmouth various people on your site including me, so now it is going to be my turn to bad mouth you. I hope you have no pics on SO, because I have an idea for a great new avatar tubby. lol So you wanna keep bad mouthing me, you are in for a WORLD of embarrassment. Kisses and Hugs sweetie

Now he's got an opinion. It's only it Internet.....

well i have no idea what she said to him and i can't speak of it unless i see for myself (before i am accused of being a hypocrite) but i can see how she could be offended by what he said. it was horrible.

and i specifically said that when i said it's only the internet, i hadnt understood the magnitude of the situation or how horrible some of what has been said was.

JW, how did you get her PMs? She PMed you, saying nasty things?

I'm so confused with this rollercoaster thread, it's unbelievable.
Brian forwarded them to me.

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-----Original Message-----
From: Brian Gravagna <BDamage1@msn.com (BDamage1@msn.com)>
To: rkellyketchup88@aol.com (rkellyketchup88@aol.com)
Sent: Wed, 12 Nov 2008 12:54 am
Subject: WTF?


Kelly, I don't know who you THINK you are, but you better check yourself. Do you actually think I would waste my time with you? Don't flatter yourself, you aren't worth the time. I had nothing, I repeat, NOTHING to do with calling John a ****** or any other name. The very last thing on my mind is a lonely girl who worships a has been t v star on a dead ass website like yours. You are pathetic, do not drag my name in the mud. You seem to have this habit of crying wolf. Wasn't it you who claimed that Mikado came onto you? LMAO that's a hoot! I don't give a rats ass if you breath or not. You mean nothing to me, but I will be damned if you or anybody else will poison other minds and make me look bad. Some of your so called "friends on that site" don't even like you. Check ip addresses if you have to, because it is not me, it never was me and it will never be me. I have a wife 2 kids and another on the way, any such prospects for you? I doubt it. Now **** off and leave my name out of this.

----- Original Message -----
From: rkellyketchup88@aol.com (rkellyketchup88@aol.com)
To: BDamage1@msn.com (BDamage1@msn.com)
Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2008 2:14 PM
Subject: Re: WTF?


Oh gimme a break. You keep mentioning your wife and kids..meanwhile, when are you with them? you spend more time on Sitcoms Online talking with Janice than your wife. As for my obsession? Does your dream date with Patricia Heaton ring a bell? Please you act so perfect. And I never said on SO that Mikado came onto me so I don't know who's posts you are reading. I'm not suprised though.Do you really think I care if you like me or not? That doesn't matter because I never liked you, so why would you opinion matter to me? What I care about is you making those names on my board, which I KNOW is you, so don't bother. And as for prospects, do you really think someone needs to have a boyfriend who is just like you, to make have respect for myself? That's a laugh. This is the year 2008, you're still living in 1950. And I refuse to leave your name out of the obscene names until you STOP. Have a nice day.

From: BDamage1@msn.com (BDamage1@msn.com)
To: rkellyketchup88@aol.com (rkellyketchup88@aol.com)
Sent: 11/13/2008 11:16:08 P.M. Eastern Standard Time
Subj: Re: WTF?

LOL you kill me, not even the few people on your little pathetic website think it is me. You wanna guess why? Oh wait, let me answer that for you, because it isn't me. LOL You keep bad mouthing me on your 6 person website, I have got a MUCH bigger site to bad mouth you. Which I guess is only fair. I mean, you badmouth sitcomsonline, you badmouth various people on your site including me, so now it is going to be my turn to bad mouth you. I hope you have no pics on SO, because I have an idea for a great new avatar tubby. lol So you wanna keep bad mouthing me, you are in for a WORLD of embarrassment. Kisses and Hugs sweetie







i want to see what supposedly horrible things she has said about him, because what she said to him here isn't that bad. sounds like she was defending herself to me. where are the rumors and lies you've spoken of?

[B]
Then the names on my site started, obscene names of me being fat with yellow teeth, which is what is EXACTLY in his signature. How would any of you react??



Honestly Kelly and everyone else - that letter Brian wrote doesn't surprise or shock me in the least. How do you think a father is going to come out and defend his family - especially his children. Any one of us probably would have written the same thing. We're just lucky we werent' in the same room with him - I couldn't blame him if he wanted to come to blows.

Big deal - so he's name calling. That's not dreaming up lies and slurs against someone. I'm not even saying you've been doing that. I think you've been manipulated too and have stated so in the past.

You, as owner of that site have the rights to check IP addresses, etc. so you should be able to tell exactly what's going on in the background. And I would think that it could hurt business for your website as much as it could at SO.

Somewhere along the line cards have to be laid on the table, and the centre of all this opened up, otherwise it's just going to get worse over time.

Always put your head into somebody else's when you take actions - of course a father is going to come out like a bear with cubs. So he picked up on something he knows would hurt you. And remember, he was under a lot of stress to begin with having a sick child, pregnant wife and trying to keep a home going without someone going after his family on a stupid forum.

Again, he e-mailed me first. I expected me not to get involved. I wasn't saying anything bad about SO or Brian or anyone until Brian started with the nasty emails and he knows it. Everyone knows it, because it's the truth.

Brian forwarded them to me.

Oh ok. I just read your post with the messages sent now. What kind of site does Kelly or whoever run, with the forum? It's not like a site for shows & sitcoms, like SO, is it?

i want to see what supposedly horrible things she has said about him, because what she said to him here isn't that bad. sounds like she was defending herself to me. where are the rumors and lies you've spoken of?
Read the thread, it's all there.

[QUOTE=TripperFan]Honestly Kelly and everyone else - that letter Brian wrote doesn't surprise or shock me in the least. How do you think a father is going to come out and defend his family - especially his children. Any one of us probably would have written the same thing. We're just lucky we werent' in the same room with him - I couldn't blame him if he wanted to come to blows.

Big deal - so he's name calling. That's not dreaming up lies and slurs against someone. I'm not even saying you've been doing that. I think you've been manipulated too and have stated so in the past.[QUOTE]

BUT I DIDNT DO IT! I was just running my site when Irene told me what happened. I let my members talk about whatever they want as long as there's no fight there. And then I got the angry e-mails. I did not talk about his daughter and Irene did not talk about his daughter on my site!

Oh ok. I just read your post with the messages sent now. What kind of site does Kelly or whoever run, with the forum? It's not like a site for shows & sitcoms, like SO, is it?
Nope

Damn, now I'm officially confused. Brian doesn't care if that person even breathes? I don't know who's side to take.

I can't speak for much in this situation but a lot of what he said to you was horrible, and if he felt like you did something to offend him he could have defended himself without calling you a fat pig, or saying your parents probably hate you and wish you weren't born. that was unnecessary.
i would say the comments they supposedly made about his family were equally horrible.

Damn, now I'm officially confused. Brian doesn't care if that person even breathes? I don't know who's side to take.
Me neither

Again, he e-mailed me first. I expected me not to get involved. I wasn't saying anything bad about SO or Brian or anyone until Brian started with the nasty emails and he knows it. Everyone knows it, because it's the truth.
LISTEN, YOU CRAZED SH*TSTARTER. BRIAN HASN'T BEEN SENDING YOU ANY NASTY E-MAILS AND YOU KNOW IT.

You and Irene have been ragging on SO for months now. You deleted the threads, one at Mike's request, since it was so nasty. You were trouble when you were here, which is why you lost your mod status. All I'm saying is keep up the attacks on SO, me and Brian, and expect the SAME IN RETURN.

Again, he e-mailed me first. I expected me not to get involved. I wasn't saying anything bad about SO or Brian or anyone until Brian started with the nasty emails and he knows it. Everyone knows it, because it's the truth.

I want to know what lies he is supposedly a victim of because from what I have seen from the messages you and Janice posted, I tend to sympethize with you more. But I don't know the whole story.

i would say the comments they supposedly made about his family were equally horrible.

I'd like to see them. Direct quotations of what was said, not paraphrasing. I feel like there is a lot I haven't heard about this :o

LISTEN, YOU CRAZED SH*TSTARTER. BRIAN HASN'T BEEN SENDING YOU ANY NASTY E-MAILS AND YOU KNOW IT.

You and Irene have been ragging on SO for months now. You deleted the threads, one at Mike's request, since it was so nasty. You were trouble when you were here, which is why you lost your mod status. All I'm saying is keep up the attacks on SO, me and Brian, and expect the SAME IN RETURN.
Nasty like that...I do not deserve to be spoken to that way.

well i have no idea what she said to him and i can't speak of it unless i see for myself (before i am accused of being a hypocrite) but i can see how she could be offended by what he said. it was horrible.

and i specifically said that when i said it's only the internet, i hadnt understood the magnitude of the situation or how horrible some of what has been said was.


Let me ask you, do you have children? If the answer is yes, are they healthy? My daughter is very sick and those pieces of **** mocked them. I can give a damn what they say about me personally, I am more pissed about my family being brought into into it. Irene, Kelly and that half ****** JO JR WHO REFUSES TO TYPE IN LOWERCASE BECAUSE SHE IS AN IDIOT all mocked my family and I will not tolerate that.

I'd like to see them. Direct quotations of what was said, not paraphrasing. I feel like there is a lot I haven't heard about this :o
Honestly, I've never seen them either.

I'd like to see them.
They've been deleted.

Does anyone here who was at Kelly's have the moral integrity to step up to the plate and say how nasty those posts were at Kelly's site? Saying his new baby isn't his, probably a goats, Irene ragging on Brian's daughter's prayer thread, Kelly accusing me of reading member's PMs here at SO.

Hell, this is better than the football game. *turns tv off and grabs a pepsi and some popcorn*:D

Honestly, I've never seen them either.
You're a liar. You know those threads were made.

Let me ask you, do you have children? If the answer is yes, are they healthy? My daughter is very sick and those pieces of **** mocked them. I can give a damn what they say about me personally, I am more pissed about my family being brought into into it. Irene, Kelly and that half ****** JO JR WHO REFUSES TO TYPE IN LOWERCASE BECAUSE SHE IS AN IDIOT all mocked my family and I will not tolerate that.
I have never and you know it Brian. The only thing I've ever said about your family is spend more time with them than online. THAT'S IT! You know it.

Let me ask you, do you have children? If the answer is yes, are they healthy? My daughter is very sick and those pieces of **** mocked them. I can give a damn what they say about me personally, I am more pissed about my family being brought into into it. Irene, Kelly and that half ****** JO JR WHO REFUSES TO TYPE IN LOWERCASE BECAUSE SHE IS AN IDIOT all mocked my family and I will not tolerate that.

I never said what they said about your children wasn't equally horrible, I just would like to see their comments (assuming they exist) so I can form an unbiased opinion. If they said these things then I'll agree with you it's horrible, but I've yet to see them.

And I'm fifteen years old, I don't plan on having kids for many, many years if at all.

Ok, so I haven't been around in a long while, and I don't know what has been going on. But I do that if someone was saying nasty **** about my daughter, I would act exactly like Brian has.

I CAN'T TAKE IT ANYMORE! THIS BULL**** HAS TO STOP NOW!

KELLY, I'M SORRY, BUT I THINK YOU KNOW DAMN WELL IT'S NOT BRIAN MESSING WITH YOUR SITE, SO STOP MESSING WITH HIM, YOU'RE BRINGING THINGS ON YOURSELF. I TRUSTED YOU AND IRENE AND THEN YOU STARTED MAKING COMMENTS ABOUT BRIAN'S FAMILY, THAT'S JUST BEYOND LOW. JANICE AND I HAVE BECOME CLOSE FRIENDS OVER THE PAST FEW MONTHS AND I'VE HAD THE PLEASURE OF EVEN TALKING TO HER ON THE PHONE. SHE WOULD NEVER DO ANYTHING TO PURPOSELY HURT ANYONE UNLESS THEY ATTACK HER FIRST, EVEN THEN SHE TRIES TO REMAIN KIND AS BEST SHE CAN. I AM SO THANKFUL THAT SHE SAW THE REAL ME AND GAVE ME ANOTHER CHANCE, SHE'S A TRUE FRIEND AND I LOVE HER VERY MUCH, SAME GOES WITH BRIAN. THERE IS NO EXCUSE FOR RIPPING THEM TO SHREDS LIKE THIS, NONE, SO JUST ****ING STOP IT!!!!

Back in 2005, Irene registered at SO. A few people who didn't like me here, recruited her to get a gang-up going against me. So, being the dutiful sh*tstarter that she is, she went right to work. She started sending out PMs to people to be mean to me, harass me, that sort of thing. Now remember, Irene was a brand new member at this point. She made the mistake of sending a couple of PMs to my friends, one who told her to take a hike. This person told me about it, but I never made an issue of it.

This past Spring, I was chatting with Irene over an issue where she organized the gang-up and character smear of a long-time member here. She ended up getting suspended over that, but I digress. I told Irene that I knew what she did to me three years ago, and her defense was this: "I was approached to go after you. I was new here, and I didn't know any better."

Can you imagine registering at a large website and going after the moderator, who never did a thing to you? I can't imagine it, but it happened. Irene admitted it. You have to be a certain type of person to do something like that. It was there early on, from the beginning, the plotting and scheming.
That just makes me so mad. What kind of a person agrees to a gangup on someone they don't even know? That's sickening. :mad:

that half ****** JO JR WHO REFUSES TO TYPE IN LOWERCASE BECAUSE SHE IS AN IDIOT
lolz. glad to know i wasn't the only one annoyed by that.

They've been deleted.

Does anyone here who was at Kelly's have the moral integrity to step up to the plate and say how nasty those posts were at Kelly's site? Saying his new baby isn't his, probably a goats, Irene ragging on Brian's daughter's prayer thread, Kelly accusing me of reading member's PMs here at SO.

Surely someone has some proof of the comments, or someone who is neutral in this argument or has made some comments can admit to it. Then I will say, yes the comments were horrible and unnecessary. Until then, I have no reason to believe any comments were made.

Hell, this is better than the football game. *turns tv off and grabs a pepsi and some popcorn*:D

lol I totally agree. I was about to do some work, but I wanna see where this goes. I still don't know what's going on here :eek:.

I need paraphrasing here, paraphrasing...

They've been deleted.

Does anyone here who was at Kelly's have the moral integrity to step up to the plate and say how nasty those posts were at Kelly's site? Saying his new baby isn't his, probably a goats, Irene ragging on Brian's daughter's prayer thread, Kelly accusing me of reading member's PMs here at SO.
NEVER! That was NEVER! If it was by another member, I missed it and I DID NOT SAY IT!!!!!

something interesting i noticed in the email.

"Wasn't it you who claimed that Mikado came onto you?"

"And I never said on SO that Mikado came onto me so I don't know who's posts you are reading."

I know what side I am on. This **** has been taking into an effect for nearly a year; it all started when Kelly mentioned that Mikey, sent her a naked picture of himself. She told this to both Lauren and Irene, of course, I got involved and had the misfortune of taking their side. I later learned the truth. It was all bullcrap!
What? I can't even believe this. I don't believe this!

Ok, so I haven't been around in a long while, and I don't know what has been going on. But I do that if someone was saying nasty **** about my daughter, I would act exactly like Brian has.

Me too, but I'd like to see some evidence that comments were made, anything else is hearsay.

I have friends here,so I hope my comments aren't offending any of you. :eek:

something interesting i noticed in the email.

"Wasn't it you who claimed that Mikado came onto you?"

"And I never said on SO that Mikado came onto me so I don't know who's posts you are reading."

you're very observant. i missed that one.

Surely someone has some proof of the comments, or someone who is neutral in this argument or has made some comments can admit to it. Then I will say, yes the comments were horrible and unnecessary. Until then, I have no reason to believe any comments were made.
I was just looking through my folders, and forunately I did copy and paste the threads. It may take me a while to organize them, but I'm sooooo glad I saved those threads. Every filthy word.

... What on earth happened here? :grr:

something interesting i noticed in the email.

"Wasn't it you who claimed that Mikado came onto you?"

"And I never said on SO that Mikado came onto me so I don't know who's posts you are reading."
That is what I meant on SO. I did not want to ruin Mikado's reputation but others mentioned problems with Mikado so I told them. Never did I say it publically. But it did happen.

I can't believe I have to defend myself like this. I have done nothing wrong except not further investigate into the IP that it may be Bobby F. That is all I have done wrong. I am not lying!!!

I was just looking through my folders, and forunately I did copy and paste the threads. It may take me a while to organize them, but I'm sooooo glad I saved those threads. Every filthy word.

good. i want to see. is it a screenshot, or just copied and pasted text?

That just makes me so mad. What kind of a person agrees to a gangup on someone they don't even know? That's sickening. :mad:
haha, "o sry i waz a n00b" is such a poor excuse. she was new to the board, not to new to LIFE. you'd think a 40+ year old would have a mind of her own.

... What on earth happened here? :grr:

I'm still wondering that myself.....

Kelly claims that I emailed her first, which is an out and out lie. She pm'd me first with the title "You Jerk" because I was pissd off when I found out the Irene the trouble making **** starter was mocking my daughter's health.

She (Kelly) is brainwashed, just like a lot of people, because Irene is so sweet to your face, but stabs you in the back.

here is the pm...
You jerk

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You are just mad cause you got caughtsnooping around my board, a board you were not invited to. You do not like Nancy McKeon or any shows about her. You were just there to watch what others were saying and guess what? My board is an open board. You don't get special treatment there and you won't be accepted. Why don't you care about your daughter instead.

What? I can't even believe this. I don't believe this!
Believe it, you and your fraud friend Irene are finally being exposed. Tell Irene I know her profile picture is fake. I have real pics of her. I won't post them. Let's just say, the real pics are nothing like her fake picture that she's been passing off as herself for years.

I'm still wondering that myself.....
SO seemed all peaceful and quiet and then I came on today and clicked this thread.. :lol: Dang. Alot of behind the scenes crap going on these days.

That is what I meant on SO. I did not want to ruin Mikado's reputation but others mentioned problems with Mikado so I told them. Never did I say it publically. But it did happen.

I can't believe I have to defend myself like this. I have done nothing wrong except not further investigate into the IP that it may be Bobby F. That is all I have done wrong. I am not lying!!!


so he did actually send you a naked picture? that, i have trouble believing.

Believe it, you and your fraud friend Irene are finally being exposed. Tell Irene I know her profile picture is fake. I have real pics of her. I won't post them. Let's just say, the real pics are nothing like her fake picture that she's been passing off as herself for years.
lulz, her fake pictures did look an awful lot like gwen stefani....:grr:

SO seemed all peaceful and quiet and then I came on today and clicked this thread.. :lol: Dang. Alot of behind the scenes crap going on these days.

Yup I know right. I feel like I'm on and in the middle of a crazy soap opera LOL....

okay now i am seeing a more clear picture of what's going on.

Let me ask you, do you have children? If the answer is yes, are they healthy? My daughter is very sick and those pieces of **** mocked them. I can give a damn what they say about me personally, I am more pissed about my family being brought into into it. Irene, Kelly and that half ****** JO JR WHO REFUSES TO TYPE IN LOWERCASE BECAUSE SHE IS AN IDIOT all mocked my family and I will not tolerate that.


Brian, you can ask anyone that I have stood up for you during the last week. Earlier this year, I said some pretty nasty things about you that I should never have said. I am very saddened to hear about your daughter being sick. However, as nasty as that one thread became over at Kelly's site, I don't recall anyone making fun of your sick daughter. I really don't remember it. Also, Jodi (JO Jr.) is one of the most carring people in the world. Calling her a "half ******" isn't nice.

lol I totally agree. I was about to do some work, but I wanna see where this goes. I still don't know what's going on here :eek:.

I need paraphrasing here, paraphrasing...

Thank God I don't have a dog in this fight. I'm just gonna set back and enjoy.:D Seriously, it's all new to me too Wreckless. I have no idea whats going on.

Days Of Our Lives, SO Style.......

haha, "o sry i waz a n00b" is such a poor excuse. she was new to the board, not to new to LIFE. you'd think a 40+ year old would have a mind of her own.
It says everything about Irene's character, or lack of, I should say. It boggles the mind how a person could go after a person they didn't even know. I wonder if she's pulling that at the new site she posts at (not Kellys). Doubt it.

But she said those pictures were of an aunt of something like that...

"said" being the key word there

Okay, this makes me sad because back in the day, Irene and I were like Mother and Daughter and now I'm hearing all these horrible things that she did.

What is the world coming to? Can't you trust anyone anymore? ohno:

I'm so sorry this is happening to you guys.

Brian, you can ask anyone that I have stood up for you during the last week. Earlier this year, I said some pretty nasty things about you that I should never have said. I am very saddened to hear about your daughter being sick. However, as nasty as that one thread became over at Kelly's site, I don't recall anyone making fun of your sick daughter. I really don't remember it. Also, Jodi (JO Jr.) is one of the most carring people in the world. Calling her a "half ******" isn't nice.
Irene said that Brian was using his daughter's illness to get sympathy and that he was sick for doing that.

I was told by someone, that Kelly had told this individual that Mikey sent a picture of his crotch!!!

i doubt he would do that. did kelly actually say that he did?

Well, everyone thinks I am lying. That is fine. You have all been my friends for years and now this. I have not done anything wrong! Sooner or later, everyone will know the truth. About everything. Everyone shows their colors and even though they say this is mine, it isn't. I was fighting back, trying to keep my board clean and open. Now I'm being punished.

I am not lying, Lauren Tara you have to both know it...I'm done. I cannot do anymore defending. My story is there, the truth. If anyone else had made a thread like this, it would've been deleted. But not for me because I'm being accused of things and lies.

i doubt he would do that. did kelly actually say that he did?

Yep, she sure did

Thank God I don't have a dog in this fight. I'm just gonna set back and enjoy.:D Seriously, it's all new to me too Wreckless. I have no idea whats going on.

Yeah I can totally relate to and I feel what you're saying. It's not enjoying for the people going through this, that's why, I'm not going to butt in, not knowing too much about it. All I know is that Janice is a nice, good person and this needs to be resolved. I think of Compton, Camden, the LA Riots and REAL physical fighting. I know I should not be saying this but friends are friends. I don't know what happened but kiss and make up. Yeah if it's new to you as well, nothing you can really add, except positive outlooks.

Yup I know right. I feel like I'm on and in the middle of a crazy soap opera LOL....
Crazy. :lol: I'm not gonna take sides here, I just hope everyone can let this stuff go and leave the drama in the past. I actually have been crap talked behind my back by people I thought were my friends on message boards before, and it's just not worth the drama. Get those people out of your life and move on. -.-

That is what I meant on SO. I did not want to ruin Mikado's reputation but others mentioned problems with Mikado so I told them. Never did I say it publically. But it did happen.

I can't believe I have to defend myself like this. I have done nothing wrong except not further investigate into the IP that it may be Bobby F. That is all I have done wrong. I am not lying!!!
and it bothered you so much, that you continued to talk to him on SO. You even posted in his 225 thread. If he did that then why would you have anything to do with him? It doesn't make since.

Yep, she sure did

i want her to answer it.

from what i can tell from all this confusion, irene is the start of the problem but the rest of it is still unclear.

Well, everyone thinks I am lying. That is fine. You have all been my friends for years and now this. I have not done anything wrong! Sooner or later, everyone will know the truth. About everything. Everyone shows their colors and even though they say this is mine, it isn't. I was fighting back, trying to keep my board clean and open. Now I'm being punished.

I am not lying, Lauren Tara you have to both know it...I'm done. I cannot do anymore defending. My story is there, the truth. If anyone else had made a thread like this, it would've been deleted. But not for me because I'm being accused of things and lies.

Take it from someone who knows Kelly, this is the truth, what Irene is telling you, filling your head with lies, isn't the truth.

I know for a fact that Mikey would not do that. I know this person and I also know what he finds attractive in a woman!!!

ohh i definitely don't believe he sent a picture to her. i just want to hear directly from her whether or not she said he did.

i want her to answer it.

from what i can tell from all this confusion, irene is the start of the problem but the rest of it is still unclear.
yeah, sounds to me like she brainwashed kelly.

Mike,

No offense, but JO JR. is a moron and she called my children bastards because I slept with a goat.

I know for a fact that Mikey would not do that. I know this person and I also know what he finds attractive in a woman!!!
Then you don't know him very well.

and it bothered you so much, that you continued to talk to him on SO. You even posted in his 225 thread. If he did that then why would you have anything to do with him? It doesn't make since.

It bothered her so much that she never said anything for months, then came and told me and Irene, and Irene decided we should "get rid of him" by running him off the boards, can't believe I let her lead me into that BULL****, I'm so ashamed about that ohno:

I can't believe any of this. For the last hour I have been reading posts from people I truly care about attacking other people I really care about. I was hoping that this drama could all be solved, but it doesn't appear that way. :(

Crazy. :lol: I'm not gonna take sides here, I just hope everyone can let this stuff go and leave the drama in the past. I actually have been crap talked behind my back by people I thought were my friends on message boards before, and it's just not worth the drama. Get those people out of your life and move on. -.-

Yeah, that sucks. Listen, I have had girlfriends, best friends IN REAL LIFE, real life as in, in person and not through a computer, talk crap about me, cheat on me, do me wrong, switch sides, act crazy. Now I am not perfect, I have an attitude occasionally and I am impatient, but ya gotta find a silver lining. Idk what's going on, so I'm not going to point fingers whatsoever, but this is crazy.

By the way, anybody know, the most posts in a thread ever was, on SO? I think we can match it, in this thread.

yeah, sounds to me like she brainwashed kelly.

i think when someone is brainwashed, it is in some ways their fault and in other ways they can't really be blamed. like everyone should have a mind of their own and be able to distinguish between truth and lies but sometimes, people present themselves in such appealing and enticing ways that its easy to fall for what they say. but i think knowing that someone is a liar, it's time to stop believing them and to pull away.

Then you don't know him very well.

can you prove that he did this?

ohh i definitely don't believe he sent a picture to her. i just want to hear directly from her whether or not she said he did.
I am saying he did. I would tell you the whole story but why bother. You said you don't think he did. But he did. I know he did and so does he. How would a third party know, Tara?

I am saying he did. I would tell you the whole story but why bother. You said you don't think he did. But he did. I know he did and so does he. How would a third party know, Tara?

i don't see why he would do that, knowing that it could turn into an issue.

I am saying he did. I would tell you the whole story but why bother. You said you don't think he did. But he did. I know he did and so does he. How would a third party know, Tara?
I noticed you haven't answered my question.

Yeah, that sucks. Listen, I have had girlfriends, best friends IN REAL LIFE, real life as in, in person and not through a computer, talk crap about me, cheat on me, do me wrong, switch sides, act crazy. Now I am not perfect, I have an attitude occasionally and I am impatient, but ya gotta find a silver lining. Idk what's going on, so I'm not going to point fingers whatsoever, but this is crazy.

By the way, anybody know, the most posts in a thread ever was, on SO? I think we can match it, in this thread.
That's exactly true. I really don't know all the behind the scenes crap and who did what, but it's clear to me everyone on both sides is upset. I guess you just gotta be glad you're finding out who your REAL friends are.

can you prove that he did this?
No I can't. He wanted to talk to me over IM this was over two years ago. I continued chatting with him because I did not want to cause trouble, guess I should've thought twice about that. We had forgotten about it until Lauren told me he was doing stuff to others. Yes YOU Lauren.

I am not perfect, either. I feel like I have been caught up in this crap for way too long. I did not take sides, because I am fond of both Irene and Janice and Brian. I hate crap like this. I hate drama. And, like everyone else, I want to know the truth.

Yeah I agree. It sucks.

okay now i am seeing a more clear picture of what's going on.

Forward it to me? :lol: LOL.

No I can't. He wanted to talk to me over IM this was over two years ago. I continued chatting with him because I did not want to cause trouble, guess I should've thought twice about that. We had forgotten about it until Lauren told me he was doing stuff to others. Yes YOU Lauren.

what did he do to lauren? i want to see how your answer compares with hers since she will most likely respond to this. if what you're saying here is not true, i am questioning whether the rest of what you have said is true too.

That's exactly true. I really don't know all the behind the scenes crap and who did what, but it's clear to me everyone on both sides is upset. I guess you just gotta be glad you're finding out who your REAL friends are.

Yeah definitely, neither do I. Gotta separate the fake people from what the truth is.

lol I totally agree. I was about to do some work, but I wanna see where this goes. I still don't know what's going on here :eek:.

I need paraphrasing here, paraphrasing...
I kinda know, but yeah ditto

No I can't. He wanted to talk to me over IM this was over two years ago. I continued chatting with him because I did not want to cause trouble, guess I should've thought twice about that. We had forgotten about it until Lauren told me he was doing stuff to others. Yes YOU Lauren.

He made a comment that hurt my feeling once, but I never accused him of sending me naked pictures because he never did.

He made a comment that hurt my feeling once, but I never accused him of sending me naked pictures because he never did.

i believe you. i don't think its in his character to send pictures like that.

I kinda know, but yeah ditto

Yeah. I only know from posts I've seen, and a little bit of evidence from emails supposedly forwarded. There's nothing I can say to be like, no, this is the way it went. Since I don't know.

I admit, I have been no saint in my life, I think I tried to apologize in another thread that I started. Even my apology was mocked. Irene is nothing but a big FAT phony. She is nice to you to your face, but can turn on you like a dime. She was buddy, buddy with Solomon to his face, but behind his back was screaming and carrying on that he should be banned,

That is what I meant on SO. I did not want to ruin Mikado's reputation but others mentioned problems with Mikado so I told them. Never did I say it publically. But it did happen.
i don't get it. why didn't you confirm it in the email then? all you said was that it didn't happen specifically on SO, like you were trying to deny it at the time.

All I want to say it's been nice meeting everyone here and I'm sorry if at times, I did not respond properly to others. This thread has just made me realized I need to get away.

Jude

was there anything said about me on that board? :batman:

I admit, I have been no saint in my life, I think I tried to apologize in another thread that I started. Even my apology was mocked. Irene is nothing but a big FAT phony. She is nice to you to your face, but can turn on you like a dime. She was buddy, buddy with Solomon to his face, but behind his back was screaming and carrying on that he should be banned,
It seems like I just keep hearing that time and time again about Irene. :grr: It was like, I was under the impression everyone loved her and then bam, one by one I kept hearing whispers everyone felt like she was two-faced.

I admit, I have been no saint in my life, I think I tried to apologize in another thread that I started. Even my apology was mocked. Irene is nothing but a big FAT phony. She is nice to you to your face, but can turn on you like a dime. She was buddy, buddy with Solomon to his face, but behind his back was screaming and carrying on that he should be banned,

Eh Solomon's a bad example...

was there anything said about me on that board? :batman:

awww now why would anyone talk about you Sarah... you have always been nice to me. :)

What? I can't even believe this. I don't believe this!

Oh come on NOW!!!!!

I was even contacted over Mikey. At first I said it should be brought to TJ's attention and if anything criminal was going on, they should be notified immediately (also totally shocked as he never seemed to be that kind at any time). I would not take it any farther than that myself. Then I find out that it's a gangup that's been brewing and that you said it had happened a year before. That's when I knew it had to be crap. Or if it wasn't, he didn't just do it out of the blue, that you had to have helped alone the way and were then using it to get back at him.

This has been going on for months and months now all behind the scenes. Don't play so innocent.

awww now why would anyone talk about you Sarah... you have always been nice to me. :)
hey! :wave: i remember you.

It seems like I just keep hearing that time and time again about Irene. :grr: It was like, I was under the impression everyone loved her and then bam, one by one I kept hearing whispers everyone felt like she was two-faced.


It's true, I was shocked just like everybody else was, but that woman literally has no life but sitting behind a computer. She did it to me, to Solomon and yeah Janice too. She would gush over to Janice how she loved her as a friend, but went on another website and claimed that Janice's husband wears a toupee (Which he doesn't)

I admit, I have been no saint in my life, I think I tried to apologize in another thread that I started. Even my apology was mocked. Irene is nothing but a big FAT phony. She is nice to you to your face, but can turn on you like a dime. She was buddy, buddy with Solomon to his face, but behind his back was screaming and carrying on that he should be banned,

I'm starting to wonder if I was wrong in dismissing the claims that remarks were said about your family, because I don't believe Kelly that she received naked pictures so it's questionable if I can believe her about that. I'd like to see proof in both instances though, that either happened. But I'm sorry for instantly jumping to conclusions.

hey! :wave: i remember you.:wave:

It seems like I just keep hearing that time and time again about Irene. :grr: It was like, I was under the impression everyone loved her and then bam, one by one I kept hearing whispers everyone felt like she was two-faced.
I know LOL

It's true, I was shocked just like everybody else was, but that woman literally has no life but sitting behind a computer. She did it to me, to Solomon and yeah Janice too. She would gush over to Janice how she loved her as a friend, but went on another website and claimed that Janice's husband wears a toupee (Which he doesn't)
Well, that's a real shame. It's pretty low when a supposed close friend treats you one way to your face, but then goes elsewhere and talks crap about you.

I'm starting to wonder if I was wrong in dismissing the claims that remarks were said about your family, because I don't believe Kelly that she received naked pictures so it's questionable if I can believe her about that. I'd like to see proof in both instances though, that either happened. But I'm sorry for instantly jumping to conclusions.


Can you imagine if one of the girls on here suddenly accused you of having sent her naked pics of yourself? Imagine what Mikey went thru. Absolutely disgusting. That's when I did get involved and wanted to hear the whole story because that's beyond "Mean Girls" cruel.

And now Brian's daughter and family next.

See a little more now why it is a serious deal? (it's ok - we know you weren't in the loop as we don't solicit others into it like Irene & then Kelly did).

hey! :wave: i remember you.
Ditto!

Everybody look at Irene's profile picture. This is the "woman" she claimed to be. IM me if you want to see the real Irene.

Everybody look at Irene's profile picture. This is the "woman" she claimed to be. IM me if you want to see the real Irene.
Can I PM?

Well, that's a real shame. It's pretty low when a supposed close friend treats you one way to your face, but then goes elsewhere and talks crap about you.
Yeah it is

Everybody look at Irene's profile picture. This is the "woman" she claimed to be. IM me if you want to see the real Irene.
haha seriously? i remember her posting a picture of a totally different woman in at least one "post your picture" thread.

Eh Solomon's a bad example...


No it is not, especially if you think of somebody as a friend and go behind your back and call for your banning.

so the one in her profile isn't her? Well I'll be damned

haha seriously? i remember her posting a picture of a totally different woman in at least one "post your picture" thread.
I remember a pic of "her"with very blonde hair

You know, I really shouldn't reply to this thread. It's all kind of tawdry (is that the right word?).

But, I left this forum a year or two or three ago because of Irene. She always seemed to start or egg on very tense situations. I can't even remember just what in particular she said to me to get me to leave, but I chose to take the higher ground and did simply that... leave. I came back once during that time, posted one reply, and immediately began being attacked by Irene and her cronies. My last post: I thanked them for reminding me why I left in the first place. And I left again.

I came back here a few weeks ago and saw that Irene was no longer here; I also saw the "I miss her" thread. Ugh! I simply never understood her popularity. When TJ closed the thread I was pleased.

I am now pleased to see that it wasn't simply a case of my being overly sensitive. I had been afraid that that had been the case. It's good to see that my judgment wasn't quite as bad as I was beginning to think it was. ;)

No it is not, especially if you think of somebody as a friend and go behind your back and call for your banning.

That's true.

Can you imagine if one of the girls on here suddenly accused you of having sent her naked pics of yourself? Imagine what Mikey went thru. Absolutely disgusting. That's when I did get involved and wanted to hear the whole story because that's beyond "Mean Girls" cruel.

And now Brian's daughter and family next.

See a little more now why it is a serious deal? (it's ok - we know you weren't in the loop as we don't solicit others into it like Irene & then Kelly did).

see, i'd been hearing very limited details about this whole thing so i finally decided to look into it. i feel bad for jumping to conclusions based on the limited knowledge I had about this, because a lot of my initial assumptions were wrong.

so the one in her profile isn't her? Well I'll be damned
I know

Oh and for the record I saw the threads that Kelly claims weren't there.
Thanks Jenny. You would think that Kelly would admit they were there because she deleted the thread. That's to her credit. To deny those things were said is crazy. I have them all saved anyway. I just don't want to implicate other members here who were saying bad things too. My problem isn't with them. It's with Kelly because she owns the site, and Irene because she's the orchestrator of gangups, including an attempt on me.

Just look how upset Kelly is over Brian's signature. For months and months, we've put up with them trashing us. I think they have a secret chat room too. Some members have a certain amount of posts, but the posts can't be found on the boards.

You know, I really shouldn't reply to this thread. It's all kind of tawdry (is that the right word?).

But, I left this forum a year or two or three ago because of Irene. She always seemed to start or egg on very tense situations. I can't even remember just what in particular she said to me to get me to leave, but I chose to take the higher ground and did simply that... leave. I came back once during that time, posted one reply, and immediately began being attacked by Irene and her cronies. My last post: I thanked them for reminding me why I left in the first place. And I left again.

I came back here a few weeks ago and saw that Irene was no longer here; I also saw the "I miss her" thread. Ugh! I simply never understood her popularity. When TJ closed the thread I was pleased.

I am now pleased to see that it wasn't simply a case of my being overly sensitive. I had been afraid that that had been the case. It's good to see that my judgment wasn't quite as bad as I was beginning to think it was. ;)
i remember a few years ago thinking that she seemed to have something against me. there was at least one post i made about something serious and she nitpicked at the format of it. i thought i was just being too sensitive though.

so the one in her profile isn't her? Well I'll be damned

the woman in her profile is VERY attractive. now I want to see the real irene ;)

the woman in her profile is VERY attractive. now I want to see the real irene ;)

That's what I was thinking.

Wow, this is insane. I had no clue about Irene. I always thought she was a great addition to the KOQ board in the past, but now after reading this she just sounds like a complete nutbag.

i remember a few years ago thinking that she seemed to have something against me. there was at least one post i made about something serious and she nitpicked at the format of it. i thought i was just being too sensitive though.

I remember when she won me over with her "I have a lesbian daugter who I am very accepting of", when I was struggling with my sexuality. I guess she knows how to win us over

That's what I was thinking.
Ditto

here it is real quick

Ditto


Hey I remember you too. :wave:

You know, I really shouldn't reply to this thread. It's all kind of tawdry (is that the right word?).

But, I left this forum a year or two or three ago because of Irene. She always seemed to start or egg on very tense situations. I can't even remember just what in particular she said to me to get me to leave, but I chose to take the higher ground and did simply that... leave. I came back once during that time, posted one reply, and immediately began being attacked by Irene and her cronies. My last post: I thanked them for reminding me why I left in the first place. And I left again.

I came back here a few weeks ago and saw that Irene was no longer here; I also saw the "I miss her" thread. Ugh! I simply never understood her popularity. When TJ closed the thread I was pleased.

I am now pleased to see that it wasn't simply a case of my being overly sensitive. I had been afraid that that had been the case. It's good to see that my judgment wasn't quite as bad as I was beginning to think it was. ;)
You were spot on. I know there's no rule about posting in a lot of threads, but Irene was in almost EVERY thread. All Irene, all the time. Just here, overbearing, overly opinionated, and like you said there, with her cronies if you dare disagree with her. If a person wasn't on Irene's special list, she could make life miserable for them. I used to hate the way she would laugh right in a person's face with this smiley. :rofl:

I used to love it when she went away. She was noisy. Blah, blah, all the time. I know people miss her. Me, I think the place has a better feel to it.

here it is real quick


Yikes no wonder she didn't post her real pic.

Hey I remember you too. :wave:
:wave:

You know, I really shouldn't reply to this thread. It's all kind of tawdry (is that the right word?).

But, I left this forum a year or two or three ago because of Irene. She always seemed to start or egg on very tense situations. I can't even remember just what in particular she said to me to get me to leave, but I chose to take the higher ground and did simply that... leave. I came back once during that time, posted one reply, and immediately began being attacked by Irene and her cronies. My last post: I thanked them for reminding me why I left in the first place. And I left again.

I came back here a few weeks ago and saw that Irene was no longer here; I also saw the "I miss her" thread. Ugh! I simply never understood her popularity. When TJ closed the thread I was pleased.

I am now pleased to see that it wasn't simply a case of my being overly sensitive. I had been afraid that that had been the case. It's good to see that my judgment wasn't quite as bad as I was beginning to think it was. ;)
I remember when you left. I was siding with Irene in that newbie thread against you. I apologize for anything I said. I guess I was under her influence some too. That's no excuse. I was wrong and I should have known better. I'm glad you're back. :)

here it is real quick
:rofl: oh man, that's still not the one i remember her posting and claiming to be her. i'm looking for the thread.

here it is real quick
http://i175.photobucket.com/albums/w159/DorkyW00tage31/Random/16c5dkx.gif

:rofl: oh man, that's still not the one i remember her posting and claiming to be her. i'm looking for the thread.
They're like twins.

http://www.sitcomsonline.com/boards/customprofilepics/profilepic28946_3.gif

here it is real quick


eek!

here it is real quick
LOL OH MAN

They're like twins.

http://www.sitcomsonline.com/boards/customprofilepics/profilepic28946_3.gif

now THAT woman is gorgeous :D

Thank God I don't have a dog in this fight. I'm just gonna set back and enjoy.:D Seriously, it's all new to me too Wreckless. I have no idea whats going on.
Uh, I would suggest you guys stay off to the side. Just read. If you don't have anything important to contribute, don't. You guys aren't directly involved in this.

http://i175.photobucket.com/albums/w159/DorkyW00tage31/Random/16c5dkx.gif
LOL looks likew Bobbe J'Thompson

They're like twins.

http://www.sitcomsonline.com/boards/customprofilepics/profilepic28946_3.gif

I can see the resemblance :p j/k

:rofl: oh man, that's still not the one i remember her posting and claiming to be her. i'm looking for the thread.


i remember her being really blonde. i hope you find the thread because i'm dying to see.

here it is real quick

I never noticed the pic in her profile before, but it's rather sad that she had to go find some fake pic to use. I guess she thought finding someone who looked like a model would be a good way to get people to like her more.

I remember when you left. I was siding with Irene in that newbie thread against you. I apologize for anything I said. I guess I was under her influence some too. That's no excuse. I was wrong and I should have known better. I'm glad you're back. :)
Ah, the newbie thread. That sounds vaguely familiar. :crazy: I'm sure that I was correct! So there! Whatever I said. Heh!

;)

Thanks for the welcome back.

I never noticed the pic in her profile before, but it's rather sad that she had to go find some fake pic to use. I guess she thought finding someone who looked like a model would be a good way to get people to like her more.
LOL yeah

Here it is

i remember her being really blonde. i hope you find the thread because i'm dying to see.
yeah, i remember the picture very clearly. some lady sitting at a desk, i recall. i'm having trouble finding it.

the woman in her profile is VERY attractive. now I want to see the real irene ;)


Is it her "brunette era" one? I haven't checked her profile for a while now, but this is the one I saved from about 3 years ago. The first time I knew of her causing trouble really I think. It was completely different from another I saw. I'll IM Brian for that one. If it's the one I'm thinking of, she's sitting at a desk or something.


:lol: - see what happens when everyone opens up and starts talking the truth. Starts narrowing things down doesn't it? You'd think Irene would know. She was a big fan of "Survivor".

Here it is
I remember her syaing that was an older pic

well, rest assured that I would NEVER EVEN THINK about bad-mouthing anyone on this forum!
And those who do bad-mouth people, well...all I can say is...you'll get what's coming to you!!!:mad:

Lauren, Janice, and other people on here have enough other things happening without that **** going on!!

Ah, the newbie thread. That sounds vaguely familiar. :crazy: I'm sure that I was correct! So there! Whatever I said. Heh!

;)

Thanks for the welcome back.

Welcome back:wave:

Here it is
YES, THAT WAS IT!!!!!!!!!! THANK YOU!

Me, I think the place has a better feel to it.

Same here.

:D

Here it is
Whoa, I actually remember seeing that pic before. :lol:

YES, THAT WAS IT!!!!!!!!!! THANK YOU!

No prob ;)

Here it is

This one has the same eyes as the one that is really her, making me think that's like, a REALLY old picture of her when she actually looked decent.

Whoa, I actually remember seeing that pic before. :lol:
Me too LOL

Well, that's a real shame. It's pretty low when a supposed close friend treats you one way to your face, but then goes elsewhere and talks crap about you.
It's times like this I'm thankful I don't post as much anymore. I don't have the time to get involved in drama. All this badmouthing stuff, I'm done with. Hooray for growing up and being an adult. :)

I remember her syaing that was an older pic


Older than WHAT? Look at the version I have and the one at the top! Those look a lot younger than her sitting at that desk (which is the most reasonable one of all - attractive, but not a damned supermodel).

And if she really did look like those other pics, what is she doing as a paralegal or on a internet forum? She could be making over a $100k a year!!!

Older than WHAT? Look at the version I have and the one at the top! Those look a lot younger than her sitting at that desk (which is the most reasonable one of all - attractive, but not a damned supermodel).

And if she really did look like those other pics, what is she doing as a paralegal or on a internet forum? She could be making over a $100k a year!!!
LOL thats true!!


I know LOL

People do it on this site, and it doesn't make it any better.

Ah, the newbie thread. That sounds vaguely familiar. :crazy: I'm sure that I was correct! So there! Whatever I said. Heh!

;)

Thanks for the welcome back.


Welcome Back Mysty! I remember you too. Sorry you were run off like that.

As sick as this sounds, it's like a big old boil or pimple that's been popped here tonight so that the air is cleared, imposters are shown after all these years and we can move on a bit.

Here it is
I believe that picture of her at the desk is her. The one in her profile though. Every time someone said she was hot in her profile picture and she would say thanks, I'd just roll my eyes.

Welcome Back Mysty! I remember you too. Sorry you were run off like that.

As sick as this sounds, it's like a big old boil or pimple that's been popped here tonight so that the air is cleared, imposters are shown after all these years and we can move on a bit.
True

I believe that picture of her at the desk is her. The one in her profile though. Every time someone said she was hot in her profile picture and she would say thanks, I'd just roll my eyes.
:lol:

People do it on this site, and it doesn't make it any better.
Nope, just the same. I've been trashed at Kelly's site, along with others. So lookee here, it's happening here too!

I for one really truly indeed hopes the complete and honest truth comes out, because right now, I am so confused as to what to believe and who to believe. I feel like a total fool, because one way or another, someone has lied to me and my trust has been shattered.

This is the last I'm going to say on the matter. I did not do or say those things I am accused of. As for that thread I deleted, I deleted it because another member wanted it gone, so I did. I did not read all of it, so if something was said, I missed it. I did not type it AND it was deleted! What more am I supposed to say? I did not say anything about Brian's family, if anything Lauren you did. You're the one who also told me about Janice reading PMs. I have proof of that and if I weren't forced to defend myself, I wouldn't show them, but I am.

:D Thanks all for the welcomes back!

:banana:

I never noticed the pic in her profile before, but it's rather sad that she had to go find some fake pic to use. I guess she thought finding someone who looked like a model would be a good way to get people to like her more.
True, and to fit in more with the young crowd.

This is the last I'm going to say on the matter. I did not do or say those things I am accused of. As for that thread I deleted, I deleted it because another member wanted it gone, so I did. I did not read all of it, so if something was said, I missed it. I did not type it AND it was deleted! What more am I supposed to say? I did not say anything about Brian's family, if anything Lauren you did. You're the one who also told me about Janice reading PMs. I have proof of that and if I weren't forced to defend myself, I wouldn't show them, but I am.

First of all, I don't see where I mentioned Brian's family in any of that, second of all, that message is from when I was stupid enough to believe you and Irene were telling me the truth. I learned my lesson, the hard way, and third, I might not want everyone in the world to see my Myspace page there Kelly.

...wow. My brain hurts. This is seriously too much. I'm not taking sides here, because I don't have the time for this and have my own stuff to deal with. I wish everybody would just do the same.

This is the last I'm going to say on the matter. I did not do or say those things I am accused of. As for that thread I deleted, I deleted it because another member wanted it gone, so I did. I did not read all of it, so if something was said, I missed it. I did not type it AND it was deleted! What more am I supposed to say? I did not say anything about Brian's family, if anything Lauren you did. You're the one who also told me about Janice reading PMs. I have proof of that and if I weren't forced to defend myself, I wouldn't show them, but I am.

now i am really confused :confused:

I for one really truly indeed hopes the complete and honest truth comes out, because right now, I am so confused as to what to believe and who to believe. I feel like a total fool, because one way or another, someone has lied to me and my trust has been shattered.
i've looked at this realistically. there have been five or ten people say they saw slander threads on the other boards (including janice and jenny, who i know wouldn't cause any trouble), versus one who supposedly participated in it and says they never existed and has refused to respond to people calling her on some inconsistencies. moreover, irene decided to leave forever right after people on here heard about her backstabbing us over there. i doubt that was just a coincidence. p_ssy.

This is the last I'm going to say on the matter. I did not do or say those things I am accused of. As for that thread I deleted, I deleted it because another member wanted it gone, so I did. I did not read all of it, so if something was said, I missed it. I did not type it AND it was deleted! What more am I supposed to say? I did not say anything about Brian's family, if anything Lauren you did. You're the one who also told me about Janice reading PMs. I have proof of that and if I weren't forced to defend myself, I wouldn't show them, but I am.
You can't make me angry at Lauren. She's my friend. That's dated back in August, when she was still under Irene's influence. As for your site, you've openly accused me of reading member's PMs here, which is BS. You made those posts. You own the site. We never did anything to you guys. Just the drama, drama all the time. Keep following Irene. She'll lead you off a cliff.

This is the last I'm going to say on the matter. I did not do or say those things I am accused of. As for that thread I deleted, I deleted it because another member wanted it gone, so I did. I did not read all of it, so if something was said, I missed it. I did not type it AND it was deleted! What more am I supposed to say? I did not say anything about Brian's family, if anything Lauren you did. You're the one who also told me about Janice reading PMs. I have proof of that and if I weren't forced to defend myself, I wouldn't show them, but I am.


Trouble here is that the dates and or content could have been altered. It's links that are needed for complete and total proof. That goes on both sides or I'd post the PMs that Lauren sent to me when you asked her to get people into a gang up. Yes, she was talking some trash about Brian then but it was long before August and it was because of what you were feeding her.

i've looked at this realistically. there have been five or ten people say they saw slander threads on the other boards (including janice and jenny, who i know wouldn't cause any trouble), versus one who supposedly participated in it and says they never existed and has refused to respond to people calling her on some inconsistencies. moreover, irene decided to leave forever right after people on here heard about her backstabbing us over there. i doubt that was just a coincidence. p_ssy.

that's how i see it too, when i first came into the thread i was basing my thoughts on one recollection of this that i heard but now i've looked at everything that has been said here and have a totally new picture of the whole incident.

First of all, I don't see where I mentioned Brian's family in any of that, second of all, that message is from when I was stupid enough to believe you and Irene were telling me the truth. I learned my lesson, the hard way, and third, I might not want everyone in the world to see my Myspace page there Kelly.
Oh Okay... not confused anymore

:D Thanks all for the welcomes back!

:banana:
I'm glad you're back too. I always enjoyed your posts, especially on the Movie forum.

^ All I know is that if I was a part of the bashing without knowing the complete and honest truth, I apologize. I hate the feeling that I may have been used. I guess I am way more naive and trusting about people than I realize. I just don't know what to believe anymore.

This is the last I'm going to say on the matter. I did not do or say those things I am accused of. As for that thread I deleted, I deleted it because another member wanted it gone, so I did. I did not read all of it, so if something was said, I missed it. I did not type it AND it was deleted! What more am I supposed to say? I did not say anything about Brian's family, if anything Lauren you did. You're the one who also told me about Janice reading PMs. I have proof of that and if I weren't forced to defend myself, I wouldn't show them, but I am.
yeah, lauren apologized for that stuff a long time ago. we're not mad at her.

yeah, lauren apologized for that stuff a long time ago. we're not mad at her.
:nod: Ditto

yeah, lauren apologized for that stuff a long time ago. we're not mad at her.

Thanks Sarah! :bighug:

^ All I know is that if I was a part of the bashing without knowing the complete and honest truth, I apologize. I hate the feeling that I may have been used. I guess I am way more naive and trusting about people than I realize. I just don't know what to believe anymore.
Just exercise caution when you join a forum. If you make friends simply so you and the "friend" can badmouth people behind their backs, then it most likely isn't going to end well in the end.

Just exercise caution when you join a forum. If you make friends simply so you and the "friend" can badmouth people behind their backs, then it most likely isn't going to end well in the end.
:nod:

This is like High School, I thought most people were beyond this still catty s*it. This thread should be closed, Although I'm not surprised that it hasn't been.

yeah, lauren apologized for that stuff a long time ago. we're not mad at her.
true, nothing anyone says can make me mad at Lauren. She's a good friend, in fact one of the nicest people on here!:)

But yet everyone is mad at me?????? I DIDNT DO ANYTHING!!! I swear! Omg I don't know what else I can do to get you to believe me! You have all been my friends, Sarah Allison Jude Tara Courtnee ALL OF YOU! Especially you Lauren. I can't even believe you. Jen I may have had a fight with you once or twice but I thought you'd also know I didn't do this!

I let my members talk about what they want when they want. I didn't judge them and I didn't stop them. I didn't do anything wrong!!!!! I've always disagreed with Brian and Janice and now they're trying to get everyone against me. That's fine but I am telling the truth!! He said he'd cause a war, make me sorry and now he is. He is trying to get even with me and by all of you hating me, he's winning, which really hurts. I am telling the truth and I don't know how many times I have to say it. If you don't believe me now I guess you never will. You will all realize I didn't do this. All I did was defend myself to Brian in e-mails. If I thought it was him for those names he was making, but it wasn't, then it was my mistake. No one even told me it could be Bobby F. I've never had any trouble with him that I recall so I don't know why he would do such a thing. However I just got through trouble with Brian.

That's all I can say I guess. Either you believe me or you don't.

yeah, lauren apologized for that stuff a long time ago. we're not mad at her.


Yep - that's all water under the bridge. She came clean and it got straightened out. And I admire her all the more for taking the time and investigating to find out she was used as a pawn. And I feel the same about Kelly actually from the parts I know of this.

That's the reason I'm still in the conversation here because I want everyone to see.

It IS awful funny that the one person who the spokes of this wheel all point to HASN'T been on. At least Kelly did come and discuss this.

Yep - that's all water under the bridge. She came clean and it got straightened out. And I admire her all the more for taking the time and investigating to find out she was used as a pawn. And I feel the same about Kelly actually from the parts I know of this.

That's the reason I'm still in the conversation here because I want everyone to see.

It IS awful funny that the one person who the spokes of this wheel all point to HASN'T been on. At least Kelly did come and discuss this.
:nod:


and LOL I know

Kelly, you're fine by me.

Like I said, I'm not taking any sides. I've taken sides way too many times in real life in the past year, and it's had extremely disasterous consequences. I don't want it carrying over into my online life.

It IS awful funny that the one person who the spokes of this wheel all point to HASN'T been on.
haha, yeah. oh well, may her weakness continue to shine.

You know, I really shouldn't reply to this thread. It's all kind of tawdry (is that the right word?).

But, I left this forum a year or two or three ago because of Irene. She always seemed to start or egg on very tense situations. I can't even remember just what in particular she said to me to get me to leave, but I chose to take the higher ground and did simply that... leave. I came back once during that time, posted one reply, and immediately began being attacked by Irene and her cronies. My last post: I thanked them for reminding me why I left in the first place. And I left again.

I came back here a few weeks ago and saw that Irene was no longer here; I also saw the "I miss her" thread. Ugh! I simply never understood her popularity. When TJ closed the thread I was pleased.

I am now pleased to see that it wasn't simply a case of my being overly sensitive. I had been afraid that that had been the case. It's good to see that my judgment wasn't quite as bad as I was beginning to think it was. ;)

I hardly ever post in the main chit chat threads(except b-day threads), but after reading all this stuff that's been going on, I feel I must add my thoughts on Irene.

I remember that newbie thread Irene started, back in the spring of '06. She was going on and on about the newbies, acting like some big shot mod or something and you were the only one who was speaking out against her. And it seemed like everyone else was on her side so I decided to speak out against her and she attacked me too, as if no one could have an opinion that differed from hers. I really didn't blame you for leaving and in fact, I was tempted to leave too because of that, but I did keep my distance from her for a long time which wasn't easy because she seemed to post in almost every single thread. :lol:

I always felt she was a bully with a bad temper so when I heard about all these things she'd been doing, I wasn't all that surprised. I must say I was a little shocked to learn she was bashing Brian and his family. I always thought they were best friends, but then again, it just shows you what kind of person she really is. :rolleyes:


Welcome back, BTW. :wave:

haha, yeah. oh well, may her weakness continue to shine.


She'll probably say she was out tonight, but there weren't that many evenings I remember her away from the SO boards. Unless her lovelife picked up with all those pics. ;)

haha, yeah. oh well, may her weakness continue to shine.
LOL yup

She'll probably say she was out tonight, but there weren't that many evenings I remember her away from the SO boards. Unless her lovelife picked up with all those pics. ;)
What pics?:lol:

Just exercise caution when you join a forum. If you make friends simply so you and the "friend" can badmouth people behind their backs, then it most likely isn't going to end well in the end.


I didn't become friends with Irene so I could badmouth people. I honestly felt she did want to be my friend. I saw some things that were just not fair to either side. I'm not defending Irene, I certainly know that she is not a saint and that she certainly opened her mouth often with a foot in it. First off, if the picture in the profile is not Irene, I feel like a fool because she never once told me "btw, the pic is not really me." Secondly, because I enjoyed the friendship, I went and joined the other site and yes, I blew off steam there when I thought crap was unfairly being done here. I am not a saint either. Of all the people here, after Hurricane Gustav, Irene was the only one to ask if I needed help and sent me a gift card. That really touched me and I was so appreciative of it. So as you can see, I am really confused. I am wondering if maybe the things I have said in private e-mails will now be used against me. (I have blown off a lot of steam in e-mails, but did not post hateful stuff here on the board).

I always felt she was a bully with a bad temper so when I heard about all these things she'd been doing, I wasn't all that surprised. I must say I was a little shocked to learn she was bashing Brian and his family. I always thought they were best friends, but then again, it just shows you what kind of person she really is. :rolleyes:


Welcome back, BTW. :wave:
I always thought she had been Mikado's best friend too until I found out some things she was doing behind his back too. That's when I got mad.

I do remember it was only a month or two after she arrived that she was talking to all the newbies like she had been here forever and knew all. I can see how it can be very intimidating for some people.

I know I had to give her a heads up about a couple of our more severely autistic members. She had started to make fun of them at the very beginning forgetting she should take a bit of time to get to know something before shooting your mouth off. But then would get into discussions in politics like she had worked with some or something.

What pics?:lol:


Take your pick of pics! There's her blonde, beach and picnic under the tree shots. ;)

I always thought she had been Mikado's best friend too until I found out some things she was doing behind his back too. That's when I got mad.

I do remember it was only a month or two after she arrived that she was talking to all the newbies like she had been here forever and knew all. I can see how it can be very intimidating for some people.

I know I had to give her a heads up about a couple of our more severely autistic members. She had started to make fun of them at the very beginning forgetting she should take a bit of time to get to know something before shooting your mouth off. But then would get into discussions in politics like she had worked with some or something.
damn, was she that bad about the newbies? sounds terribly immature, especially for a damn middle-aged woman. i've been on this board since middle school and i've always had the maturity to be nice to new members.

I just found her thread and I think she was very immature, and it surprised me that someone her age could be so narrow-minded and arrogant. It's funny because at the time I thought she was really nice and a good person but now I'm seeing how immature she is.

I feel bad that in the beginning of this thread, I had no idea what was going on and made wrong assumptions D:

I always thought she had been Mikado's best friend too until I found out some things she was doing behind his back too. That's when I got mad.

I do remember it was only a month or two after she arrived that she was talking to all the newbies like she had been here forever and knew all. I can see how it can be very intimidating for some people.

I know I had to give her a heads up about a couple of our more severely autistic members. She had started to make fun of them at the very beginning forgetting she should take a bit of time to get to know something before shooting your mouth off. But then would get into discussions in politics like she had worked with some or something.
Yea I remember I did too. I sent her a pm about Harper because she was going off on him.

I'm so out of it. Not that that's a bad thing I guess. One time in my life where being lame was ok.

And we keep going....

damn, was she that bad about the newbies? sounds terribly immature, especially for a damn middle-aged woman. i've been on this board since middle school and i've always had the maturity to be nice to new members.


Exactly! And I learned very early on not to take everyone's post literally. If it sounds a little "off" you check other posts to get a feel for that person. At least I do. You back off a bit. God help them if they ended up on the politics board or in a discussion like religion, science or something. All the different million smilies would be put up to humiliate the person. It wasn't against rules, just didn't seem nice ya know?

I hate to admit it, but there were probably a couple of nights where she got me going on a thread or two and I probably went a bit overboard on someone.

I didn't become friends with Irene so I could badmouth people. I honestly felt she did want to be my friend. I saw some things that were just not fair to either side. I'm not defending Irene, I certainly know that she is not a saint and that she certainly opened her mouth often with a foot in it. First off, if the picture in the profile is not Irene, I feel like a fool because she never once told me "btw, the pic is not really me." Secondly, because I enjoyed the friendship, I went and joined the other site and yes, I blew off steam there when I thought crap was unfairly being done here. I am not a saint either. Of all the people here, after Hurricane Gustav, Irene was the only one to ask if I needed help and sent me a gift card. That really touched me and I was so appreciative of it. So as you can see, I am really confused. I am wondering if maybe the things I have said in private e-mails will now be used against me. (I have blown off a lot of steam in e-mails, but did not post hateful stuff here on the board).


Jude, I am certainly not trying to tell you who to be friends with, BUT, beware of her. If she ever gets mad at you for something, even something you don't realize, WATCH OUT!!!

Take your pick of pics! There's her blonde, beach and picnic under the tree shots. ;)
LOL Ill take any ;) :lol:

I'm so out of it. Not that that's a bad thing I guess. One time in my life where being lame was ok.

I remember you too Cathy :p :wave: :lol:

I remember you too Cathy :p :wave: :lol:
Huh? :lol: