View Full Version : Serious Question for MrIggles about Jim Johnson


TVFactFan
09-29-2008, 01:42 PM
Why is it that every single time the Eagles win and the Defense plays well, Jim Johnson gets all the praise and he is considered a Genius? But when the Eagles lose, no one ever criticizes Jim Johnson, it's always Mcnabb or Andy Reid. This goes all the way back to 2000, every single loss in the NFC Championship, It was Mcnabb Fault. But I have never heard Jim Johnson get blamed for anything.

Just like today, people are blaming mcnabb and reid for last night's loss but for some reason Jim Johnson is not apart of the blame.


Why is that when the Defense gave up 24 points? That man only is mentioned when the Eagles Defense s STOPPING teams not when they don't stop them.

Wreckless
09-29-2008, 06:58 PM
Why does it matter? People don't blame the Dallas defensive or offensive coach when they lose.

TVFactFan
09-29-2008, 07:00 PM
Why does it matter? People don't blame the Dallas defensive or offensive coach when they lose.



He just receives so much praise when the Eagles win and I'm wondering why is he not criticized when the Eagles Defense gives up 3 or more TD's causing the team to lose.


Why is he above crticism?

Wreckless
09-29-2008, 07:03 PM
Yeah but a lot of defensive coaches don't get negativity towards them when their team loses. Matter fact, I never see Dallas' coaches getting the boot. Nobody is perfect though.

TVFactFan
09-29-2008, 07:05 PM
Yeah but a lot of defensive coaches don't get negativity towards them when their team loses. Matter fact, I never see Dallas' coaches getting the boot. Nobody is perfect though.


My point is if Jim johnson can receive so much praise when the defense is playing wel, then he shouldn't be above criticism when they lose

Wreckless
09-29-2008, 07:12 PM
I'm not praising him for a loss tho lol plus he didn't ruin it for us, it was 2/3 key things

TVFactFan
09-29-2008, 09:06 PM
I'm not praising him for a loss tho lol plus he didn't ruin it for us, it was 2/3 key things


No I'm saying that sometimes I want to hear fans blame him instead of Mcnabb and Reid all the time


Mcnabb and Reid shouldn't be blamed for SH*T they have 75 wins together, same as Joe Montana and Bill Walsh

Wreckless
09-29-2008, 09:17 PM
That is true, and yeah I saw that as well, shocked we're tied with them lol.

I think Jackson and the playcalling at the end of the game lost it for us. McNabb's Interception. Of course he'll get blamed for throwing it, but it was Jackson's fault. He was supposed to run the route then turn around, and he never did. Donovan is supposed to throw to an area where it's the wide receivers job to travel the correct route and catch the ball because D has to get it off early as possible without getting sacked or it getting tipped. Jackson dropped the punt, dropped a couple other passes. There was too many dropped passes for all the wideouts on the Eagles.

Brian Damage
09-29-2008, 10:45 PM
I am no Eagles fan, but Jim Johnson IS one of the best defensive coordinators out there. He should be a head coach.

TVFactFan
09-29-2008, 10:54 PM
I am no Eagles fan, but Jim Johnson IS one of the best defensive coordinators out there. He should be a head coach.


He is too scared to be a NFL coach

Wreckless
09-29-2008, 11:12 PM
No, he's not scared, he's too old to be a head coach lol. Love the guy but he's good where he is...

mriggles
09-29-2008, 11:21 PM
Why is it that every single time the Eagles win and the Defense plays well, Jim Johnson gets all the praise and he is considered a Genius? But when the Eagles lose, no one ever criticizes Jim Johnson, it's always Mcnabb or Andy Reid. This goes all the way back to 2000, every single loss in the NFC Championship, It was Mcnabb Fault. But I have never heard Jim Johnson get blamed for anything.

Just like today, people are blaming mcnabb and reid for last night's loss but for some reason Jim Johnson is not apart of the blame.


Why is that when the Defense gave up 24 points? That man only is mentioned when the Eagles Defense s STOPPING teams not when they don't stop them.


I understand what you mean Solomon, I really do, He has a reputation & most of the time he lives up to his billing, but the dallas game is a good example, he called a horrid defensive gameplan that night. Not one word was said about that, He blitzed Romo 4 times the whole game & 3 out of those 4 times good things happened... I criticized him after the game but my words don't mean s*it in reality but I do know what you mean.


Mcnabb was not the reason they lost the game last night. If you want to point the finger at someone, blame david akers or Deshaun Jackson. That Muffed punt gave the bears the ball at the eagles 13 yd line... Even the bears can score from there

mriggles
09-29-2008, 11:22 PM
My point is if Jim johnson can receive so much praise when the defense is playing wel, then he shouldn't be above criticism when they lose


Amazingly enough I agree with you

mriggles
09-29-2008, 11:24 PM
I am no Eagles fan, but Jim Johnson IS one of the best defensive coordinators out there. He should be a head coach.


Yes he is..He is a defensive Genius, he comes up with new blitz schemes every single week, I am glad he is on our squad, I would hate facing that

mriggles
09-29-2008, 11:24 PM
No, he's not scared, he's too old to be a head coach lol. Love the guy but he's good where he is...


agreed...his age is absolutely the reason!

TVFactFan
09-29-2008, 11:28 PM
Amazingly enough I agree with you


In the 5 years I been listening to WIP, i rarely hear anyone criticze jim johnson after a loss

mriggles
09-29-2008, 11:39 PM
In the 5 years I been listening to WIP, i rarely hear anyone criticze jim johnson after a loss


I called in after the dallas game & ripped JJ... I love him, but he was awful that game

Wreckless
09-29-2008, 11:42 PM
Mcnabb was not the reason they lost the game last night. If you want to point the finger at someone, blame david akers or Deshaun Jackson. That Muffed punt gave the bears the ball at the eagles 13 yd line... Even the bears can score from there

I don't think Akers was the reason we lost. It was Jackson and the playcalling at the end of the game. Andy needs to put down the pizza and twinkies and be serious.

mriggles
09-29-2008, 11:46 PM
I don't think Akers was the reason we lost. It was Jackson and the playcalling at the end of the game. Andy needs to put down the pizza and twinkies and be serious.


well if he makes one of those fg's we arent forced to go for it on 4th & 1... if he makes both we win... Im not blaming him, but he sure as hell didn't help

Wreckless
09-29-2008, 11:47 PM
Very True, but no reason we can't score a goddamn touchdown on the ****ing 1 yard line either, on 4 tries Mike.

You know very well as I do how frustrating that is as a Eagles fan, for any fan to go through that.

TVFactFan
09-29-2008, 11:48 PM
well if he makes one of those fg's we arent forced to go for it on 4th & 1... if he makes both we win... Im not blaming him, but he sure as hell didn't help


Well in defense of Akers one of the Fg attempts was 50 ydslol

Wreckless
09-29-2008, 11:52 PM
Both FGs looked like they would of went it...the second one especially...it curved at the last minute

no excuses here, just sayin

Brian Damage
09-29-2008, 11:53 PM
Well in defense of Akers one of the Fg attempts was 50 ydslol


The fact is, if Brian Westbrook was playing, this whole conversation would be a non issue.

Wreckless
09-29-2008, 11:54 PM
That is true as well, but c'mon- my dog can score on the 1 yard line, espec. given 4 opportunities.

TVFactFan
09-29-2008, 11:55 PM
The fact is, if Brian Westbrook was playing, this whole conversation would be a non issue.


That same Bears Defense beat the Eagles and Westbrook at the Linc last year. Ask Mikey he was there-lol

Wreckless
09-30-2008, 01:15 PM
I don't think it was the defense that beat us last year. It was our dumbass idea to go into a prevent defense. Never should a team do that, that's how we lost last year with Griese wearing a Bears jersey.

TVFactFan
09-30-2008, 06:51 PM
I don't think it was the defense that beat us last year. It was our dumbass idea to go into a prevent defense. Never should a team do that, that's how we lost last year with Griese wearing a Bears jersey.


And that was jim Johnson fault right?

mriggles
10-01-2008, 10:06 PM
Very True, but no reason we can't score a goddamn touchdown on the ****ing 1 yard line either, on 4 tries Mike.

You know very well as I do how frustrating that is as a Eagles fan, for any fan to go through that.



yes I do my friend

mriggles
10-01-2008, 10:07 PM
Well in defense of Akers one of the Fg attempts was 50 ydslol


something is a miss with akers... I don't trust him on anything over 40 yards anymore... You should see him in warm ups...he booms them from 60+

mriggles
10-01-2008, 10:09 PM
The fact is, if Brian Westbrook was playing, this whole conversation would be a non issue.


your absolutely right Brian.... Without Westbrook the eagles offense is average at best.... Him being out allows the other team to focus in on our Wr's & it changes the whole game... Westy is an amazing player & i am happy he will be back this week against the HOGS

mriggles
10-01-2008, 10:10 PM
That same Bears Defense beat the Eagles and Westbrook at the Linc last year. Ask Mikey he was there-lol


Yeah I was there & that whole last drive came right towards my end zone.. But last year was last year... The eagles are a much better team this year.... Westy makes a huge difference & he would have gotten in to the freakin end zone

Wreckless
10-01-2008, 10:11 PM
^ I agree MrIggles. What's last year or the past is the past/last year.

mriggles
10-01-2008, 10:12 PM
And that was jim Johnson fault right?


It sure as hell was...but in his defense... there were some very bad plays made by sean considine on that final drive. I cringe every time he is in there

mriggles
10-01-2008, 10:12 PM
^ I agree MrIggles. What's last year or the past is the past/last year.



agreed

Wreckless
10-01-2008, 10:13 PM
Yeah Considine is an idiot. He was the one who gave up the TD to T.O. in Dallas a few weeks back. He's an idiot.

mriggles
10-01-2008, 10:15 PM
Yeah Considine is an idiot. He was the one who gave up the TD to T.O. in Dallas a few weeks back. He's an idiot.


Considine could not cover me or you... He is a hard hitter & thats about it... He is our version of roy williams LOL

Wreckless
10-01-2008, 10:17 PM
Like Michael Lewis? Great hitter but horrible at covering. Yeah you couldn't get Considine to cover your back in war, let alone a wideout :lol:. Pathetic.

mriggles
10-01-2008, 10:42 PM
Like Michael Lewis? Great hitter but horrible at covering. Yeah you couldn't get Considine to cover your back in war, let alone a wideout :lol:. Pathetic.


honestly bro... I cringe everytime he steps onto the field...

Michael Lewis is a great example... Tons of wasted talent

TVFactFan
10-01-2008, 11:32 PM
your absolutely right Brian.... Without Westbrook the eagles offense is average at best.... Him being out allows the other team to focus in on our Wr's & it changes the whole game... Westy is an amazing player & i am happy he will be back this week against the HOGS


NewsFlash to MrIggles:

The Redskins beat the Eagles at the Linc last year with westbrook


Don't think it matters

TVFactFan
10-01-2008, 11:34 PM
Listen, Westbrook is a VERY GOOD PLAYER but he does not make the Eagles Unbeatable