So...apparently...while we are still waiting for the rest of "Facts of Life" and "Diff'rent Strokes" to come out on DVD...Sony is releasing the complete beginning season of "Seinfeld"!!! :mad: I don't know about anyone else, but MAN AM I PEEVED!!! Such a CRAP show being treated like the greatest show on the planet while quality shows like "Facts of Life" and "Diff'rent Strokes" basically get treated like ****!! :eek: This is so messed up!!

I agree with you completely. I want "The Division" to be released as well but it is getting to the point where this is really ridiculous having to wait this long. It is literally coming up on two years since the last season release and it makes me wanna cry. I WANT MY FACTS OF LIFE ALREADY! LORD HAVE MERCY THIS IS RIDICULOUS!

hasn't seinfeld been out on dvd for a while? i know how you feel. i keep seeing commercials for newer shows that are coming out on dvd and it's annoying. these shows were just on tv last year or they're still running. frustrating. and i would loooove to have the division on dvd, but that is not going to happen. strong medicine was on dvd for the first season, but disappeared after that.

"Seinfeld" is a show literally about NOTHING!!!! Ugly, annoying characters who are devoid of all human emotions crying over stupid things like soup and candy!! And, also...ENOUGH WITH "THE HILLS" ALREADY!!!!!!

Seinfield? i thought they had the entire series on DVD. they're starting over again? i can't stand that show (and i've never seen it. lol)
my only guess is poor sales of Strong Medicine, FOL and The Division is the reason Sony isn't putting any more out (?) does anybody know how many units were sold of each?
but Megan is right. a show that's currently on TV gets DVD releases but not classics? what? :confused:

Seinfield? i thought they had the entire series on DVD. they're starting over again?

Geez, lots of Seinfeld haters here! Oh well, to each his own, I guess...
As far as Seinfeld relasing new box sets, that I had no idea about. They have the entire series in individual box sets and the massive complete series set. I don't have a clue what they could add that could make them better!
That makes no sense, really. Especially since Season 1 is only five episodes long!:lol:

Andrea

"seinfield" is like one of the dumbest shows ever...why cant they just give us our "FACTS"!?!

I have to add to the Seinfeld comments. I agree it is a pretty dumb show. I think it's fine that it's on dvd but it's done now. Why go back and start on it again? I mean, everytime they release a new set, doesn't that add to their production and distribution fees. Why use their funds to support a show that is already out on the market? Give the tv fans something new.

It's just beyond frustrating that they have already remastered Season 4 and won't release it. We should easily be into the "Over Our Heads" years by now. I think that if Sony spends any time on a classic tv series until completion now that both Seinfeld and Jeannie are done, it should be Facts.

I totally agree with you Pfeifferobsessed in saying that I think Seinfeld is one of the dumbest shows ever and ive never even really seen it before. I just want Facts for crying out loud. I dont understand what they are waiting for. they could be making millions on this release and as for the Division, I am staying optimistic about it. It very well might be released in the future. also the other day I went on tvshowsondvd.com and looked @ what all was being released in the next few months and i was disgusted that all of these shows that I HAVE NEVER EVEN HEARD OF EVER ARE BEING RELEASED AND PEOPLE THINK THEY ARE GOING TO MAKE MONEY OFF OF THESE BUT YET SONY IS SO IGNORANT AND STONED THAT THEY CAN'T JUST QUIT PLAYING AROUND AND RELEASE FACTS. I DONT UNDERSTAND IT.

um, don't shoot me, but I like Seinfeld :crazy:

although I desperately want more FOL seasons on DVD...

It's just beyond frustrating that they have already remastered Season 4 and won't release it. We should easily be into the "Over Our Heads" years by now. I think that if Sony spends any time on a classic tv series until completion now that both Seinfeld and Jeannie are done, it should be Facts.
Wait a minute, Sony actually remastered Season 4? That means they got it ready to be put out on DVD right, like picturewise and stuff? (correct me if I'm wrong but I think that's what it means) When did they do that and why would they just not release it if they remastered it? WTF are they doing, keeping it in a vault or something? We want our FOL!!!!!! :confused:

What do you mean they remastered season 4? im confused.

I like both FOL and Seinfeld a great deal. Having said that, I have no idea why Sony is dragging its heels releasing the rest of FOL. I also have no idea why they are re-releasing the first season of Seinfeld when it is already available in one set with the second season, as well as the complete series set. :confused: It seems to me they'd make a whole lot more money releasing the rest of FOL!!!!

Seinfeld is a GREAT show. :o

What do you mean they remastered season 4? im confused.
We are well into Season 4 on Comcast OnDemand. Those are remastered episodes. They did the same thing with "Square Pegs". All episodes were remastered for a year or so before they actually made it onto dvd. I thought that meant they were mastered to the point they were going to be if they were on OnDemand. I could be wrong.

Either way, I WANT SEASON 4!!!!!!

well maybe they are closer to releasing it. I for 1 would like to buy out all of them in every store when it is released!

well maybe they are closer to releasing it. I for 1 would like to buy out all of them in every store when it is released!
I think we will see Season 4 out on dvd but I think strong sales will drive further releases. So I, for one, will be buying multiple copies as gifts and keep 2 for myself. I really want to get to the Edna's Edibles years. All this waiting for Season 4 has definitely been a bummer.

It wouldn't hurt to e-mail Sony again too. I sent them an e-mail just the other day. Here's their e-mail address: consumer@SPHECustomerSupport.sony.com

I called the Sony number and this is what they told me:

I asked about the releases that they do. They told me that it does take a long time for a season to make its sales back to them. That's why you see continued releases a year or two years down the road. They also said that if one season didn't sell well, why put a lot of production into the remaining seasons?

Sadly, this show and others like "The Facts of Life" and "All in the Family" do not have any future release at this time. So what we have to do is to get more people to buy the seasons that are already out for them to break even or make sales good enough to release more seasons.

This is why they release current shows on DVD because they are sure to sell and people who missed the season on TV will be sure to buy them. This pushes promotion for these shows on the networks that air them. But for past or classic shows, they will not invest in them until they see some decent returns for ths stuff that is already out there. They claim that their classic shows do NOT sell as well as the current ones so they don't bother in continued releases. I said "so basically crap like Seinfeld and all that can get re-released like crazy and stuff", and they said "Yes because it's a popular title and people still buy the releases. We're not going to keep putting out seasons on what we THINK might make money because that would constitute a LOSS for us".

So SONY is actually a REACTIVE company with their classic stuff and highly PROACTIVE with their current stuff. They have to sell more than a few thousand copies on the seasons (50,000 to be exact) of a show they do have in order to release more seasons. So people, BUY MORE CLASSIC SHOWS AND LESS CURRENT SHOWS. That'll teach them.

And it will show them that we do care as much about the classic shows as we do the current shows.

Well, that makes sense but it doesn't make me feel any better about seeing future seasons of my favorite classics on dvd. I don't have ANY current shows in my collection. I have purchased all seasons of Facts, All in the Family, What's Happening Now!! and Hazel that are available. It seems hopeless. I wish there was a way for them to make these shows available to us which didn't constitute a loss and we could still buy them on dvd.

"seinfield" is like one of the dumbest shows ever...why cant they just give us our "FACTS"!?!

I'm with you on this one, Autumn. I think that Seinfeld was one of the most overrated shows ever.

I like both FOL and Seinfeld a great deal. Having said that, I have no idea why Sony is dragging its heels releasing the rest of FOL. I also have no idea why they are re-releasing the first season of Seinfeld when it is already available in one set with the second season, as well as the complete series set. :confused: It seems to me they'd make a whole lot more money releasing the rest of FOL!!!!

To put it simply, Monika, the people at Sony are idiots. :lol:

To put it simply, Monika, the people at Sony are idiots. :lol:
Don't forget that this is the same company that waited FOUR YEARS to release Season 2 of Barney Miller (season 1 was released in 2004). ohno: :rolleyes: :mad:

I think it will happen but it may just take more time. i hate the thought of that but i'm going to email them right now. lets all keep bugging them and maybe they will get the hint.

I think it will happen but it may just take more time. i hate the thought of that but i'm going to email them right now. lets all keep bugging them and maybe they will get the hint.
sounds like a plan to me! ;)

i went on Sony's site and emailed a bunch of vice president's of sales or something like that. maybe they will send me something back that is not an automated reply.

Sony is full of crap.

When it takes an outside company like Shout! to cater to classic TV fans, that says a lot. Shout! is getting ready to release Father Knows Best season2 and from listening to fan requests, made sure all the episodes are unedited. Sony just doesn't care and the bottom line of money being the issue--well, you can't sell, what you don't promote and put out!!!!

Sony is full of crap.

When it takes an outside company like Shout! to cater to classic TV fans, that says a lot. Shout! is getting ready to release Father Knows Best season2 and from listening to fan requests, made sure all the episodes are unedited. Sony just doesn't care and the bottom line of money being the issue--well, you can't sell, what you don't promote and put out!!!!
preach it, jude!!! :)

i emailed Sony and gave them the link to SO. hopefully, should they visit (which i doubt), they'll see how angry we are and have a heart and make more DVDs for this great show.

Another one here waiting for season 4! Season 4 is when FOL really hit it stride... these are the big seasons that will sell well!

And I agree - rereleasing season 1 of Seinfeld when a) it has a season release and b) has a complete season release is just crazy! Talk about wasting time, money and effort.

i went on Sony's site and emailed a bunch of vice president's of sales or something like that. maybe they will send me something back that is not an automated reply.
Let us know if you get a response. Even though the episodes are on OnDemand for Season 4, I'm sure there are people out there who don't have access to that service. Plus, I would like a nice package for Season 4 with coverart and episode synopsis. Plus The Facts Of Life Goes To Paris. This could be a big seller if they package it properly. It needs to look like a yearbook to reflect Blair and Jo's graduation. :)

preach it, jude!!! :)


SONY IS FULL OF CRAP!!--Jude The Obscure 3 :16

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preach it, jude!!! :)


SONY IS FULL OF CRAP!!--Jude The Obscure 3 :16

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SONY IS FULL OF CRAP!!--Jude The Obscure 3 :16

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SONY IS FULL OF CRAP!!--Jude The Obscure 3 :16

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Guys, keep e-mailing Sony because they have been releasing a chronological set of The 3 Stooges based on fan requests. The labels on these dvds even state "Fan-Requested". So keep sending those e-mails. There has to be a way to get our "demand" across to Sony. I think if we keep up the e-mails, we can do it. And demand no less than a "Complete Series" release. :)

Every time i try to send an email from the link that was posted, it wont let me for some reason. I've tried to email other sony email addresses but ive gotten no reply back. which address do you all send your emails to?

Use this one...
consumer@SPHECustomerSupport.sony.com

It works for me everytime. Send out those e-mails. And mention that you would buy a Complete Series set. If they release these at a more timely speed because they think they can market a Complete Series set, it might seem more appealing to them.

why is there so much Seinfeld bashing? I agree that them releasing season 1 on its own when there's FOL and so many other shows to play catch-up with is a dumb move, but I think it's ignorant to just bash another show to look better.

I prefer FOL to Seinfeld, but Seinfeld is one of the best sitcoms of the 90's besides Roseanne IMO.

Seinfeld is one of the best sitcoms of the 90's besides Roseanne IMO.

As I've said before on these boards, to each their own...

...but I still had to laugh when I read this.

The best besides Roseanne? Really?!?! Roseanne?!?!

C'mon.

In my opinion, it just doesnt measure up 2 "Facts"

ive watched seinfeld...and no offense to anyone...but i think its completely poitnless...and i couldnt connect with the characters at all...so i gave it a fair chance, and i still hate that show!

My point's certainly not how great Seinfeld was as much as it's how giant a piece of crap Roseanne was.

But, again, to each their own. There's pleny of shows I've liked thoughout the years that are garbage in the eyes of others.

As I've said before on these boards, to each their own...

...but I still had to laugh when I read this.

The best besides Roseanne? Really?!?! Roseanne?!?!

C'mon.
Roseanne's my #1 show of all time from all genres and eras combined.

Lemme guess, what is your bid for best 90's sitcom? Full House? I hope not

why is there so much Seinfeld bashing?
Yeah, I wondered that too, but then again, I shouldn't even be over in this thread. The title just caught my eye, and then I started seeing all the Seinfeld bashings.

I prefer FOL to Seinfeld, but Seinfeld is one of the best sitcoms of the 90's besides Roseanne IMO. I agree with Seinfeld being one of the best sitcoms of the 90's but I've never liked Rosanne at all.



Lemme guess, what is your bid for best 90's sitcom? Full House? I hope not
Now we are bashing Full House? I love that show! I would definitely say that it's my second favorite show of all time. It may be sweet and sappy, but it had some wonderful moments in its long run.
Oh well... to each his own...

Andrea

Now we are bashing Full House? I love that show! I would definitely say that it's my second favorite show of all time. It may be sweet and sappy, but it had some wonderful moments in its long run.
Oh well... to each his own...

I dunno. I was just a little turned off by having my favorite show being bashed when I think Roseanne is an amazing series (FOL does make my top five though).

To me, Full House represented everything about TV that Seinfeld was needed to come and wash away. I know I feel like a hypocrite because I love Facts Of Life, but to me, FH was just so over the top with it's cutesiness and mushiness and it's almost unwatchable with adult eyes. I loved it when I was ten though, but so much of it is ripe for parody with the way it'd cue the cheesy music during the heart talks IMO. I know the same can be argued for FOL, but I honestly prefer the post-Eastland years better when the show is more comedy and less "very special episode" (season 3 is my least watched season for this reason... I have most of 4-9 on bootleg). The Edna's Edibles seasons were incredible IMO.

OTOH, Roseanne may have been loud and abrasive but it's an amazing nine year ride with characters that you love, hate and everything in between. If you've ever lived in the midwest, you know these characters. I personally like the middle years best when Becky and Darlene are older, but I think it's a great show from beginning to end, and yes I even like the last season because I understand where Roseanne was trying to do to the series. I can see where a lot of people might be turned off to the show, namely men since it was such a feminist show, but even if you dislike the show, there are far worse.

Full House is available complete on dvd too. I didn't understand how that happened so quickly when we've been waiting ages just for Season 4 of FOL. Are there that many fans of FH out there and that few fans of FOL?!?!

I dont get that one. I mean Full House is a good show I guess. I don't really watch it anymore tho but I dont see how there are more fans of that show than there are of Facts. I don't know how many Roseanne seasons are out but I really didnt like that show. I dont understand at all how any of those shows can outnumber Facts in sales. That just doesnt make any sense at all. WE WANT OUR FACTS ALREADY!

Roseanne is actually out complete on dvd. Apparently, Sony was shopping a list of shows around that they were willing to license out. I wonder if FOL was one of them because I'm sure another studio would be willing to take on the task of releasing seasons quicker than Sony.

hopefully Shout!Factory can pick FOL up, just like Sony licensed Father Knows Best out to them. I mean, Shout! has even finished freaking Punky Brewster (no offense to Punky fans, but you know if Sony or Warner had that show, they would've abandoned it after s1 since 80's sitcoms are treated the worst by the big companies)

I dont get that one. I mean Full House is a good show I guess. I don't really watch it anymore tho but I dont see how there are more fans of that show than there are of Facts. I don't know how many Roseanne seasons are out but I really didnt like that show. I dont understand at all how any of those shows can outnumber Facts in sales. That just doesnt make any sense at all. WE WANT OUR FACTS ALREADY!
I think a big problem is the fact that FOL is so rare to find on TV these days. One of my best friends is a few years younger than me (he was born in 1984 but mostly missed out on the 80's and early 90's television) and he's gotten into a lot of shows I like. He got into Golden Girls on Lifetime and Roseanne on Nick At Nite (and he also got into Fresh Prince but I don't like that show), yet he's never seen FOL and has no desire to check a DVD of it out because he's never seen the show. I know that if it aired somewhere on TV, he'd probably like the show, but he's missing out on it, whereas he came into Roseanne and Golden Girls in recent years on syndication and fell in love with those shows and bought the DVD. The difference? Roseanne and Golden Girls are still shown in syndication and reruns so it's easier for new fans to be attracted to it. I honestly think FOL DVD sales would boost if it came to TV Land or something so people can actually see the series again.

I am content with 10-12 year old USA Network tapings converted to DVD, but I would love to have the real thing, especially since I don't think the best seasons are out yet.

I'm not sure if Sony fully owns FKB, when Shout! did the DVDs so far, they had to go through the Young estate--both the late Robert and from Rodney Young. Sony may have access to complete prints though.

I agree that part of the problem is that Facts is not on very many channels. Nick at Nite (which is where I discovered Facts) used to be such a great channel because it had all the good shows on like Facts and Family Ties(which I also love) and Three's Company(another wonderful show and a fave of mine). Now they put stupid, more recent shows on there and i hate it. I want all the oldies. The GOOD shows that truly are funny and loved by everyone. I think Facts should be on TV land and Nick @ Nite as well. Its a shame that tv networks can't see how great the ratings would be if they just put all the good shows back on TV. Instead they replace the good ol shows with garbage.

I agree that part of the problem is that Facts is not on very many channels. Nick at Nite (which is where I discovered Facts) used to be such a great channel because it had all the good shows on like Facts and Family Ties(which I also love) and Three's Company(another wonderful show and a fave of mine). Now they put stupid, more recent shows on there and i hate it. I want all the oldies. The GOOD shows that truly are funny and loved by everyone. I think Facts should be on TV land and Nick @ Nite as well. Its a shame that tv networks can't see how great the ratings would be if they just put all the good shows back on TV. Instead they replace the good ol shows with garbage.
i totally agree with you! nick @ nite needs to return to all the good shows: facts, i love lucy, i dream of jeannie, bewitched, laverne and shirley, threes company, family ties, and possibly alf...thats when it was great! mork and mindy was good too...oh, and mary tyler moore! :)

I agree that part of the problem is that Facts is not on very many channels. Nick at Nite (which is where I discovered Facts) used to be such a great channel because it had all the good shows on like Facts and Family Ties(which I also love) and Three's Company(another wonderful show and a fave of mine). Now they put stupid, more recent shows on there and i hate it. I want all the oldies. The GOOD shows that truly are funny and loved by everyone. I think Facts should be on TV land and Nick @ Nite as well. Its a shame that tv networks can't see how great the ratings would be if they just put all the good shows back on TV. Instead they replace the good ol shows with garbage.
I agree. I think N@N and TV Land suck now. I do love Roseanne for instance (and I don't care if someone will get on my case for having an opinion for liking a show he calls crap... millions of people disagree and love Roseanne dude), but to me the show is still more of a TBS series. And let's not even get into George Lopez and shows like that.... that show began in 2002, I think we're a good twenty years away from considering a show from this century "vintage".

yeah. TV land and Nick @ Nite are nothing like they were before. at least I can watch my Family ties and Three's company dvd's tho. I would watch my FACTS DVD's except oh wait.............I CANT BECAUSE THE REST OF THE SERIES IS APPARENTLY STILL LOCKED UP IN A VAULT SOMEWHERE AND WE CAN'T GET OUR HANDS ON THEM!

and I don't care if someone will get on my case for having an opinion for liking a show he calls crap... millions of people disagree and love Roseanne dude

Wow. I didn't realize my comment was going to be that big of a deal. I just found it interesting/humorous that someone is a big enough fan of Roseanne that they find it to be better than Seinfeld...one of the most groundbreaking shows of our generation (and I say that as a person who is not really much of a Seinfeld fan).

MusicJunkie, if you got your panties in a bunch over my sarcasm, I do apologize. No harm intended. Like I said, there's plenty of stuff that I like that I'm sure is crap to most people.

For what it's worth, I'll pipe in and agree with what everyone else is saying about N@N and TV Land. Just pitiful these days. And I couldn't agree more about George Lopez. How is a show that's barely six years old considered classic television?

I'd even rather see more Roseanne on N@N than shows like George Lopez. ;)

Wow. I didn't realize my comment was going to be that big of a deal. I just found it interesting/humorous that someone is a big enough fan of Roseanne that they find it to be better than Seinfeld...one of the most groundbreaking shows of our generation (and I say that as a person who is not really much of a Seinfeld fan).

MusicJunkie, if you got your panties in a bunch over my sarcasm, I do apologize. No harm intended. Like I said, there's plenty of stuff that I like that I'm sure is crap to most people.

For what it's worth, I'll pipe in and agree with what everyone else is saying about N@N and TV Land. Just pitiful these days. And I couldn't agree more about George Lopez. How is a show that's barely six years old considered classic television?

I'd even rather see more Roseanne on N@N than shows like George Lopez. ;)

well, Roseanne is considered a pretty groundbreaking series is its own right as well. And Entertainment Weekly even put Roseanne over Seinfeld (with Seinfeld at #2) as the greatest sitcom of the 90's. I love Seinfeld also, but I always connected a little more with the characters of Roseanne being in the midwest. Seinfeld is more groundbreaking, but I do think Roseanne did carve out its own niche and did a lot of things that were unheard of before hand.... Hell, the fact that it starred two overweight actors (even tho Roseanne's slimmed down a lot) was quite groundbreaking considering the late 1980's were an even more superficial decade than the 2000's.

Regarding Seinfeld, I agree and am just as frustrated as everyone else (okay, I'm not AS frustrated considering I do have about 130 season 4-9 episodes to tide me over) but didn't see the need to start "Seinfeld is crap" comments over the frustration with Sony. I agree that it's very annoying that Sony goes back and releases Seinfeld season 1 (which was originally bundled with season 2, and is now in a complete series box set) when they have shows like FOL and others to finish, but I'm not going to say "Seinfeld sucks" like a few others did. Because Seinfeld doesn't suck :)

Sorry if I took your comments the wrong way, I usually just think personal preference is just that. We all like things others don't, that's what makes us unique, lol.

Nick should be airing shows like FOL, Diff'rent Strokes, Gimme A Break, Three's Company, Alice and others from the 80's and before. Even something like Roseanne (which turns 20 on October 18th) is still a few years away from truly becoming a N@N type show. I blame it on viewer ADD that they want to watch what they saw last week instead of something that goes back a bit, and stupid N@N chooses quantity over quality.

Nick @ Nite is just dumb now.

Nick @ Nite is just dumb now.
AMEN! :D

and lets not forget how stupid, ignorant, and foolish Sony is!