I meant to bring up this topic last week, but it slipped my mind I guessed. On the 4th of July, we had a party, and the topic came up on whether or not the U.S. first-manned mission to the moon was a hoax. My father actually brought it up, and I spent quite awhile arguing with him.

He says that its a hoax, which is very possible, yet I believe that it wasn't a hoax. So I looked it up, and there are many great reasons and evidence as to why it could be a hoax, but I still believe that if it was, it would have proven already, which it hasn't.

This has been going on ever since Neil Armstrong first landed on the moon, and it's still going on today. People say that moon pictures taken were too clear to be taken on the moon, lighting angles were misrepresented in the 1969 video, the flag was waving on the moon, yet we all know that there is no air up there, if Armstrong and Aldrin were the only 2 on the moon, who took the video? - evidence like this would believe some to think that it's a hoax.

So what you guys think? I'd love to hear your opinions on this!

There was a special on this topic on the FOX station abt three or four years ago and they pretty much debunked the whole myth. For every response those old farts, out of work old- fogies gave for the moon trip being a hoax, there was always a very good explanation for it by scientists, physicists, Neil Armstrong himself, and other professionals. ;)

I still laugh when I remember one of those old farts standing outside of this rickety, old trailer and giving his "scientific theories" on the topic. :rofl:

It's funny this thread was made because right now, in front of me, is a reel to reel tape that my dad recorded on July 20, 1969, of the first man walking on the moon. I wish i had some way to play it just to see what it sounds like. I don't know if it was recorded off the TV or the Radio.
Anyways, i have my doubts that it ever happend.

There was a special on this topic on the FOX station abt three or four years ago and they pretty much debunked the whole myth. For every response those old farts, out of work old- fogies gave for the moon trip being a hoax, there was always a very good explanation for it by scientists, physicists, Neil Armstrong himself, and other professionals. ;)

I still laugh when I remember one of those old farts standing outside of this rickety, old trailer and giving his "scientific theories" on the topic. :rofl:

i saw that special in my chem class in high school. it was hilarious. looking back, it reminds me of all of the 9/11 conspiracy theories that are floating around nowadays. one of my friends is convinced the Bush administration was involved in 9/11 and has done so much research on it. i guess if you're willing to believe something, and want to, then a tiny bit of evidence that raises questions & makes you wonder ends up convincing you in the end? weird. but no, i don't believe the first trip to the moon was a hoax.

I gotta admit, I'm pretty skeptical about the whole going to the moon thing, I dunno, a lot of things just don't add up to me. :crazy:

Absolutely not a hoax. (http://www.braeunig.us/space/hoax.htm)

There is part of me that believes that the moon landing was a hoax. There is a lot of evidence to support it, and lord knows I love a good conspiracy theory.

Ever wonder why the US government is trying to protect the land around the so called "area 51?"

Some satellite photos have revealed that the desert around the so called Groom Lake (aka area 51) facitlty looks a lot like a rocky, barren moonscape that looks a heck of a lot like the area where our astronuts landed...

Just saying..

;)

I think what happened on July 20, 1969 was real. Why else would Neil
Armstrong report to television audiences around the world that they(the
astronauts) had landed on the moon? Some of you conspiracy nuts out
there are weird people.

Some of you conspiracy nuts out
there are weird people.


Everyone's entitled to their own opinion, there's no reason to call those of us who are skeptical "weird people" or "conspiracy nuts"

There is part of me that believes that the moon landing was a hoax. There is a lot of evidence to support it, and lord knows I love a good conspiracy theory.

Ever wonder why the US government is trying to protect the land around the so called "area 51?"

Some satellite photos have revealed that the desert around the so called Groom Lake (aka area 51) facitlty looks a lot like a rocky, barren moonscape that looks a heck of a lot like the area where our astronuts landed...

Just saying..

;)

Understandable. I love to read abt hoaxes and conspiracy theories just to see what sounds logical. Makes for interesting reading. ;)

I can point out to you at least 50 other areas in Nevada and California that resemble rocky, barren moonscape. When I visited Arizona two years ago, a particular town called Winslow has the world's largest meteorite crater there. The whole town looked like the moon landscape. :lol: While there, there happened to be some NASA astronauts in training who were also were kind enough to let us sit on one of the moon vehicles, we seen the flight suits, and all sorts of equipment needed for space exploration. Anyhoo, the astronauts were telling us they were practicing in a particular area and showed us how that area is perfect to train on because of how it resembles the landscape of the moon. It really did. As for Area 51, that base is now closed and I believe they moved to Colorado.

I don't think it was a hoax. I can remember way way back there was a movie about it being a hoax. I can't remember the name of it. Or maybe it wasn't even that mission but some other mission being a hoax.

You are talking abt the movie CAPRICORN ONE with James Brolin. Great movie (except the parts with OJ Simpson). It was abt astronauts faking a Mars mission.

That's it! Thanks Irene.

http://www.ufos-aliens.co.uk/cosmicapollo.html

^^^Bill Kaysing is that man who was on that FOX special. He was one of the men who appeared and was living in an old trailer, out in the boonies somewhere.


Arthur C. Clarke:

Dear Jim (JAMES RANDI), As a long-time admirer of the United States, I am appalled to hear that a recent poll suggests that 20% of Americans are ignorant fools: I hope the figure is grossly exaggerated, as no other term is strong enough to describe anyone who believes the Moon landings have been faked. If the late unlamented Evil Empire was still around, I might have suspected some of being communist sympathisers attempting to discredit the one achievement for which the U.S.A. may be remembered a thousand years from now. Remembering how quickly Watergate unraveled, how could any sane person imagine that a conspiracy involving hundreds of thousands of people over more than a decade would not have done the same? Ben Franklin put it well: "A secret known to three people can be kept — as long as two of them are dead."
And how do these nitwits account for the fact that, for the last thirty years, the laser reflectors and radio sensors on the Moon have been transmitting terabytes of data back to Earth? Who do they think put them there — E.T.s? But I can't waste any more time on lunatics: I am too busy proving that George Washington never existed, but was invented by the British Disinformation Service to account for a certain minor unpleasantness in the Colonies.

Sincerely,

Arthur Clarke, 11 July, 2001.



This is a great topic, whether you are a believer or not. ;)

There will always be a segment of people who think that something is a hoax or was done by our government. Personally, I find it silly and paranoid thinking, and don't think it was a hoax whatsoever.

I saw a very interesting documentary yesterday on Nat Geo about the scientists who designed and built the lunar rover cars for the later Apollo missions. Very cool how they made a folding car that could fit under that tiny lunar module.

There will always be a segment of people who think that something is a hoax or was done by our government.

http://www.extrememortman.com/wp-content/uploads/2007/11/Elvis%20Presley%202008%20Weekly%20World%20News%20president.JPG

I remember one of my old friends was so convinced that the whole thing was a hoax that he'd tell everybody in our grade all about it and get into long debates with the teachers about it! lol

I don't really know one way or another. I mean, on one hand you want to believe in such an achievment, but then there are interesting points to the contrary.

Fake!

I'm definitely one for some good hoax stories, because god knows there are so many out there. I'm still not sure, though, if it was a hoax or not. With all the evidence and speculation out there on this topic, you'd think something would have been proven absolutely sure that it was a hoax, but nothing has, which would lead one to believe that the moon landing did happen.

But there is tons of evidence and reason out there that wold lead us to believe that it all was a hoax. I've heard that the U.S. government wanted to land on the moon as soon as possible in the late sixties, for 2 reasons: to beat the Soviet Union in the great space exploration, and to take attention away from the Vietnam War. It was far too expensive to do so, and would take more time than they wanted, so they faked the whole thing.

I've also heard (and this is actually a pretty funny story) that once Buzz Aldrin spoke in front of a room of people, many years after 1968. When he was asked the question "What did it feel like to be the second person on the moon," he couldn't even speak because he broke out in tears, which would lead some to think he did it because of the fact he was hiding a shameful secret inside for so many years. I'm not sure how much truth there is to that story, though.

Then there's the evidence. How could the U.S. flag wave so greatly on the moon if there's no air up there? That's a great point, whether your a believer in this or not, because it is scientifically impossible for that to happen (unless you're in a studio, of course ;) ). Then there's the fact that the video was so unclear that people thought it was on purpose - I guess they didn't want people to find out they were faking the whole thing. Supposedly, the different angles of the photographs and video taken were done incorrectly, because of the way the sun was shining in them. For instance, the flag and astronauts on the moon were lit by the sun, but everything around them was dark - interesting.

MY favorite of all, though - why hasn't any one else been on the moon since then or in the recent past? You'd think if 2 people could do back in 1968, many, many more would have followed, but none did. Plus, some say the evidence was done so flawed that people would in fact find out one day that it was all a hoax, like it was made to be that way.

I didn't realize my post was so long-LOL. Basically, there are many things that would make you believe it was a hoax, but then some people may think the contrary, that it isn't a hoax. I would personally love for our government to just come on out and say it was all a hoax :lol:

^^^Again, if you or any non-believers had seen that documentary on FOX, it would answer those questions abt the flag and no air up there, etc. I am sure the information abt all that info that appeared on that special can be found on the net. I don't think it would be hard to find that same information on many other sites. Just need to look. ;)

I guess people are going to believe what they want to believe...if they want it to be a hoax, no amount of debating is going to change their mine. It never even crossed my mind that this was a hoax and I still don't believe it was.

I guess people are going to believe what they want to believe...if they want it to be a hoax, no amount of debating is going to change their mine. It never even crossed my mind that this was a hoax and I still don't believe it was.
Well said. I know what you mean, if someone comes here asking for some proof to help change their mind, that is one thing, but apparently there are those who already have their minds made up and nothing won't change their feeling.

I guess the purpose of this thread was merely to find out how many believe and how many don't.

I'm certainly not saying that I'm positive it was fake, I'm just not sure that it really happened. It just seems to me that if they could do it in the 60's why not now?

Holy Crap!

Elvis '08!!

Also it seems that if we landed on the moon, there should still be all that stuff up there as evidence. That seems easy to prove.

Holy Crap!

Elvis '08!!
I'd vote for him. lol

MY favorite of all, though - why hasn't any one else been on the moon since then or in the recent past? You'd think if 2 people could do back in 1968, many, many more would have followed, but none did. Plus, some say the evidence was done so flawed that people would in fact find out one day that it was all a hoax, like it was made to be that way.



Didnt we send someone to the moon like 4 times?

Our goal is to now research MARS and any other planets. The moon is old school. ;)

Our goal is to now research MARS and any other planets. The moon is old school. ;)
:lol:

Also it seems that if we landed on the moon, there should still be all that stuff up there as evidence. That seems easy to prove.
Someone had to set up and aim these reflectors:
http://www.signonsandiego.com/news/science/20060713-9999-lz1c13laser.html

Well said. I know what you mean, if someone comes here asking for some proof to help change their mind, that is one thing, but apparently there are those who already have their minds made up and nothing won't change their feeling.

I guess the purpose of this thread was merely to find out how many believe and how many don't.

That was my exact purpose of the thread-LOL. And I completely agree, I do not think it was a hoax, I'm just trying to see what others believe.

And yeah, there were a lot of missions to the moon done between 1968-1971, but for some reason, they were all missions to different parts of the moon, I guess to find different evidence in each part. But since then, nothing.

I don't believe it was a hoax. I've seen lots of documentaries, (some of them are actually on YouTube if anyone is interested) and from what I've also read on the subject, I have no reason to doubt that we really landed on the moon. Sure there are some questions regarding the absence of stars in the pictures, the flag, shadows on the lunar surface, but all that has been explained, just do a quick search on Google.

NASA is sending a new lunar probe/satellite later this year, and one of the objectives is to photograph the Apollo landing sites. Of course people will say those pictures are fake too, like always.

(BTW, I just finished reading A Man on the Moon by Andrew Chaikin-great book for anyone who is interested in the Apollo program)

Didnt we send someone to the moon like 4 times?

There were six Apollo missions (11-16) in which men were to land and walk on the moon, five of which were successful.

(BTW, I just finished reading A Man on the Moon by Andrew Chaikin-great book for anyone who is interested in the Apollo program)

Also, check out Tom Hanks' HBO miniseries, From The Earth To The Moon, which is based on that book.

I guess people are going to believe what they want to believe...if they want it to be a hoax, no amount of debating is going to change their mine. It never even crossed my mind that this was a hoax and I still don't believe it was.

:yeahthat

There is part of me that believes that the moon landing was a hoax. There is a lot of evidence to support it, and lord knows I love a good conspiracy theory.

Ever wonder why the US government is trying to protect the land around the so called "area 51?"

Some satellite photos have revealed that the desert around the so called Groom Lake (aka area 51) facitlty looks a lot like a rocky, barren moonscape that looks a heck of a lot like the area where our astronuts landed...

Just saying..

;)

If that's the case, then why did they send the Apollo astronauts up to Sudbury, Ontario, Canada to learn and practice taking rock and soil samples? Apparently NASA felt that the terrain up there (which is also highly rocky and barren) most resembled that of the moon?

As for the reference (not yours Tom) to the American flag waving, I never saw it once "wave". It was a stiff flag, designed to sit out as if in a breeze because they knew they had to make it that way or it would just hang limp. No big mystery to me.

(It's like when people try to claim that the Holocast was a hoax.....)

The moon landings were not a hoax.....now, Bush's 2000 election win, on the other hand..............

The moon landings were not a hoax.....now, Bush's 2000 election win, on the other hand..............
Nope, the 2000 election was no hoax, either. Bush won! (Even after the Gore Camp tried to change the rules after an election... the endless hand recounts and the postponing of the certification and trying to throw out absentee military votes, for instance.)