I thought it would be good for us to list a lot of these scenes and lines in NBC airings of UM that Lifetime has edited out. Some of these episodes have been put on the volumes so a lot of you may have already noticed the scenes. Hopefully this can be a collaborative effort so any of you that have watched any NBC episodes and noticed parts in them you didn't notice on the Lifetime airings, please list.

Cindy James - this one in my opinion is the most edited case. On the NBC version there are more comments from Neal Hall, comments from Cindy's psychotherapist saying there was no indication she had split personalities, comments from her parents on how much they miss Cindy and how they don't think she killed herself and even some audio of Cindy herself.

Susan Laferte & Doreen Picard - There is a scene where they mention Susan's family receiving threatening calls after they try to investigate who could be responsible for the attack.

Charles Mulet - A scene where he is living at a trailer and the police bust down the door to try and arrest him but he is already gone. Apparently there is some thought that a fellow police officer may have tipped him off.

Angela Hammond - I noticed a line edited out in Rob Shafer's interview. He talks about the phone call and when the guy pulls up. He says something to the effect that Angie and him didn't think much about it and just continued their conversation.

Nyleen Kay Marshall - At the end of the segment RS mentions that in the letters from the person who possibly abducted her he mentions that his parents and sister were killed in an auto accident when the sister was 9.

Mickey Thompson - A scene where they talk to his son a bit more and show footage of them sitting around a table.

TK Hardy - They show some creepy footage of the killer walking around the house before and after Hardy is shot.

I'll post more as I think of or come across them.

Well, this isn't too specific but it seems like anytime they update a segment about a fugitive's capture, the tail end of the segment where Stack rattles off the fugitive's attributes typically gets truncated or cut entirely.

I guess this is a timing thing.

The only example I can think of offhand is the infamous "Omar" arsonist segment. In the original broadcast, pre-update, Stack displays the camo-jacket that the tape was found wrapped in, a strange insignia that is on the jacket, and the arsonist's nickname as revealed on the tape - "The Fashion Man". I never knew these details until I found the NBC version of the segment. The Lifetime version omits this scene in favor of the update.

the one that sticks out in my mind is the Tony Lombardi case, where Lifetime edits out another possible suspect: somebody that followed Tony home and threatened his life after he allegedly cut them off in traffic.

Dorothy Alison - They cut a lot out of this one including RS mentioning Dorothy predicting her own father's death as well as a scene where Dorothy was looking through pictures of missing or deceased children and speaking about how most of her cases involve children.

There is also an extended interview with Ellen Jacobson

Philip Fraser (yes that's the accurate spelling :)) I can't believe how much they edited out here, it could probably compete with Cindy James. Including: When Canadian Police confiscate Philip's two handguns, when Tina Brockledge is interviewed, a scene with the Olsons when the hitchhiker is going to spend the night there, a scene with Philip's father is entirely cut, and a scene at the end when Canadian Police theorize what happened after Philip had picked up the hitchhiker. UNBELIEVABLE! :mad:

Joe Owens some dialog with Gayle Dunham (one of the mothers) is edited out, she says: "He hated her music, you didn't think that he disliked her traveling around, you knew he hated the whole thing. If you would have played a note on that piano a that time his whole body would have quivered" then they cut "maybe he didn't like the mess in the house, I don't know... But you knew there was hate there."

Alex Cooper - In the original NBC segment, they showed him falling into a river as one of the possible theories for his disappearance. It was a pretty disturbing scene. I don't think Lifetime aired that part.

^ Unless they actually showed him taking a header into the river - Lifetime did broadcast something about this scenerio. Alex's daughter comes on and says "I thought about the water, my dad liked to fish and I thought he might have gone fishing and had a heart attack and drowned" and they show a scene of him walking down to the river. Not that disturbing in my opinion, now if the original broadcast actually included a scene of him falling into the river and being swept away...well yeah that would be disturbing.

That's what I'm talking about. They actually showed him falling and being swept away.

A few more-

The NBC version of the infamous "Dark Dante" segment talks about a "test set" that was found in Kevin's apartment that permitted him to monitor telephone conversations. There is also some additional commentary from Kevin's friend, Shaun Randall.

In that same episode, there is a brief extended scene during the Adam Hecht story that occurs after Tony is evicted from Adam's apartment. Its basically just some useless comments from Adam's mother about how she wishes they could give Tony a "truth serum or something" because it was obvious that he knew more than he was telling.

Another scene that was shown on the NBC version, but not on Lifetime occurred in the "Katie" segment where she discusses her first time seeing a ghost- it was the ghost of her dead father, apparently.

The interview with Son of Sam shooting witness Tommy Zano(sp?) is a little longer in the NBC cut of that segment. He goes on to say (and I'm paraphrasing): Berkowitz was a big fat guy, no way he could run like that!

I believe Zaino said "You don't get that fat in a week" or something like that.

One that always stuck out in my mind is the Johnny Lee Wilson segment (a fave of mine). In the Lifetime version, they edit out the comments from Chris Brownfield (stating how he felt bad for Johnny).

The Boston Area Rapist the part with the joint task force is cut from one Lifetime version (the one on one of CD's volumes I believe) but I've seen another Lifetime version online where it wasn't edited out, so that's kinda weird :confused:

In any case, they did change the composite sketches in both Lifetime versions.

What, so on the NBC original airing, the composite of the rapist looked different? My curiosity to see it is overwhelming....

I'm not surprised to see the Philip Fraser case on this list. Watching the rerun for the first time a year ago, it clearly looked clipped. Only watching the rerun, you would never have known that he was carrying two handguns! (Was one of them the murder weapon? And what did Canadian police theorize exactly?)

Tom Johnson - I have two Lifetime versions of the case, one on tape from when the case was re-aired in the 2001-02 era, and one from CD's DVD which was a rerun from the original airing. In each version there's a scene cut out - on the tape, they cut out Stack showing the computer that Johnson stole and stating that he tried to pull a similar scam the previous week, and on the DVD, they cut out a line from "Jeremy" after the composite is shown the first time, saying something about "Tom Johnson is an enigma".

Beverly McGowan - They go back to the body lying in the swamp and the investigator commenting on the bizarreness of the case (right before Beverly's brother gives his final comments). This is cut on the Lifetime reruns.

What, so on the NBC original airing, the composite of the rapist looked different? My curiosity to see it is overwhelming....



Your wish is my command...:lol: The first two pictures are the composite sketch shown on the NBC airing. The last picture is the composite sketch shown on the Lifetime airing. The Lifetime airing also shows the third picture with glasses and a mustache drawn on it as well.

Philip Fraser (yes that's the accurate spelling :)) I can't believe how much they edited out here, it could probably compete with Cindy James. Including: When Canadian Police confiscate Philip's two handguns, when Tina Brockledge is interviewed, a scene with the Olsons when the hitchhiker is going to spend the night there, a scene with Philip's father is entirely cut, and a scene at the end when Canadian Police theorize what happened after Philip had picked up the hitchhiker. UNBELIEVABLE! :mad:



I just watched the NBC version of the Philip Fraser segment and you're right ididn'tdoit so much unedited footage there! To answer your question Composite Sketch about the guns, Philip was stopped at the border on his way into the US. He told them he had two handguns and its illegal to enter the US with guns so the authorities took them and they became their property and after an hour delay Philip was on his way. Yes an entire scene that took place at the Olsen's basement where the killer is told to choose whichever couch he wants to sleep on. Eddie Olsen also mentions there were 12-15 guns down there in a gun rack. In the father's interview he mentions how he would theorize what may have happened to Philip (before his body was found) like maybe even ditching his car and taking off but said he knew intellectually that wasn't the case. Also mentioned the killer seemed to be knowledgeable of the Toronto and Seattle area which I don't remember seeing on the Lifetime version. It is aggravating to know they edited so much out when its not like there was an update or anything to make room for. :rolleyes:

With regard to the Boston Shopping Mall Rapist - I seem to remember reading on Newsbank that some viewers called the 800 number after the segment aired and identified the rapist as a local veterinarian. He was interviewed and cooperated with the police and was cleared as a suspect. Perhaps the composite was modified for that reason.

Whoa, thanks Crystaldawn for those screencaps! I never thought anyone would do such a thing, let alone so quickly!

That first drawing looks like an Ident-a-Kit creation, like the sketches the task force was seen passing around in the segment. It makes sense considering (I'm assuming) that was the part where Stack said that it was the sketch created using "Tracy's" and "Julie's" descriptions. Was that second sketch shown at the end of the segment, just before Stack reappears to give his final thoughts? It looks so different from the first one, and the Lifetime one. If it was leading to the wrong people I can see why they redid it. Just the fact that they redid the segment with a new drawing for Lifetime reruns tells me that they really wanted to see this case solved.

Stack mentioned that the rapist's hallmark was to look average and that's why I think he was never captured. In the drawings, the lack of any distinctive features shows that he looked like any average Caucasian male in his 30s. And with the glasses and mustache, he probably appeared older than when he was without them (as the sketches show, at least to me).

Along with the Baskin kids, this case is the one that frustrates me the most because it has not been solved to date.

Whoa, thanks Crystaldawn for those screencaps! I never thought anyone would do such a thing, let alone so quickly!



Well I've never had much luck trying to do screencaps so I had to put the dvd in and take a picture of the sketch with my cellphone and then email it to myself and attach it....:lol:

Add another to the list..:rolleyes: I was talking to someone about the NBC version of the Arthur Paul Beal (aka "Tyler") segment and couldn't believe all the info in the NBC version of the update that Lifetime took out!! They went into more detail about the crime he was wanted for. Said he sold frozen food off a truck (perhaps like a Schwan man) he left with a truck full of food for sales one day and surfaced with an empty truck. I believe he was spoken to by the police and they interview the police officer that talked to him. He told Beal that Boise, ID would be getting a warrant for him so he should go there and deal with it and he said he was heading back there. Three days later he was found wandering the desert with amnesia. The police are skeptical that he has amnesia and mentioned how intelligent he is and how he could have faked it. They also show a bit more of his actual arrest where the cops ask him his date of birth and he says he doesn't know it and they're giving him a hard time about that. He then mentions something about having amnesia for 9 months and they pop off something like "how do you know how long its been since you have amnesia". They also show Beal's mother arriving at the police station to post his bail. (That scene that Lifetime shows of Beal coming through a door to meet his mother for the first time was really him being released from prison after his mother made his bail). Also shows some more interview footage with his mother where she says he didn't fake amnesia and with Beal himself stating he has not faked anything. They said he was awaiting a preliminary hearing. Like someone told me earlier, Lifetime seemed to really rework this case to completely avoid the mention of the arrest entirely. I wonder if Beal's case was resolved and his family requested that part be edited out.

If I make another volume, I'll have to put this on there.

Add another to the list..:rolleyes: I was talking to someone about the NBC version of the Arthur Paul Beal (aka "Tyler") segment and couldn't believe all the info in the NBC version of the update that Lifetime took out!! They went into more detail about the crime he was wanted for. Said he sold frozen food off a truck (perhaps like a Schwan man) he left with a truck full of food for sales one day and surfaced with an empty truck. I believe he was spoken to by the police and they interview the police officer that talked to him. He told Beal that Boise, ID would be getting a warrant for him so he should go there and deal with it and he said he was heading back there. Three days later he was found wandering the desert with amnesia. The police are skeptical that he has amnesia and mentioned how intelligent he is and how he could have faked it. They also show a bit more of his actual arrest where the cops ask him his date of birth and he says he doesn't know it and they're giving him a hard time about that. He then mentions something about having amnesia for 9 months and they pop off something like "how do you know how long its been since you have amnesia". They also show Beal's mother arriving at the police station to post his bail. (That scene that Lifetime shows of Beal coming through a door to meet his mother for the first time was really him being released from prison after his mother made his bail). Also shows some more interview footage with his mother where she says he didn't fake amnesia and with Beal himself stating he has not faked anything. They said he was awaiting a preliminary hearing. Like someone told me earlier, Lifetime seemed to really rework this case to completely avoid the mention of the arrest entirely. I wonder if Beal's case was resolved and his family requested that part be edited out.

If I make another volume, I'll have to put this on there.

OMG! I had no clue :o , I actually thought it was the NBC version on your volume because I couldn't spot the Lifetime logo.

OMG! I had no clue :o , I actually thought it was the NBC version on your volume because I couldn't spot the Lifetime logo.

Yes I think the Tyler on my volumes is from NBC. However it is the NBC update (where they didn't show the entire segment, just the update) of the case I recently acquired that has all the unedited footage.

I've been watching some more NBC airings and have noticed some things that I don't think were on the Lifetime version. I haven't watched the Lifetime version of some of these in a while but feel free to let me know if I mention something that you remember being on Lifetime because I'd like this thread to be as accurate as possible. Here goes:

Steve Hadley - the update goes is much more indepth than Lifetime's. It mentions how he was found in Texas and had a new wife named Roxie Alden. It said his parents and friends came to Texas to show his support and had brief interviews with his parents and pastor. Not sure if Lifetime mentioned this but he plead guilty to 3 felony counts and received 13 years in a Federal prison. Said he has returned $875,000 of the 1,136,000 he stole. Another almost comical part about this update was RS said Hadley asked if he could serve his sentence in TX so he could be near his 2nd wife. He was granted that and was transferred. Then within days his 2nd wife filed for an annulment. I love how UM added that last part, lol.

Steven Cox - they mention how he bought a restaurant, bar, video arcade and 2 jewelry stores. They also show in the interview with Eugene Richmond how he says that Cox is doing time right now meaning how he's looking over his shoulder and could be captured at any time.

Michaela Garecht - At the end of the segment they mention that other girls have been kidnapped or killed and may be the same abductor as Michaela's. They show a couple of pictures of Amber Swartz and mention what tooth she has missing and says she has a severe hearing problem.

Leo Koury - there was quite a bit on here I don't remember seeing on the Lifetime version. They play an actual tape recording of Koury's voice where he was secretly recorded talking to Eddie Love. They mention his FBI files is 38 volumes thick and show one of the billboards that had been put up in an effort to try and capture him.

Don Smith - they theorize how he may have been killed and show a scene where Don is calling his dogs that are out running in an open field when the unknown black male comes from behind and is going to hit him with some sort of tool.

Tim McClure - he talks a bit more about the lie detector test. Says there were long pauses between each question and he starts to worry "what if they think I did it".

The Lifetime version of the Glen Consagra case completely deletes Doug Crow.

The Lifetime version of the Glen Consagra case completely deletes Doug Crow.

I'd be interested to see the Lifetime version of the Glen Consagra case....:D

I'd be interested to see the Lifetime version of the Glen Consagra case....:D

If Lifetime deleted Doug Crow´s intervention from the Glenn Consagra segment, the case would not have made any sense, at least in my opinion.

However, I remember that in another thread, someone mentioned that Lifetime never aired the "PSSs" (Pre-Stack Specials), and the Consagra segment belongs to Special 3, the las episode hosted by Karl Malden, and the last PSS. So I am confused....:confused:

If Lifetime deleted Doug Crow´s intervention from the Glenn Consagra segment, the case would not have made any sense, at least in my opinion.

However, I remember that in another thread, someone mentioned that Lifetime never aired the "PSSs" (Pre-Stack Specials), and the Consagra segment belongs to Special 3, the las episode hosted by Karl Malden, and the last PSS. So I am confused....:confused:

Yes the PSS specials never aired on Lifetime so I'm assuming he made that comment in jest. :)

I also remember there was additional footage in the Paula Pasciak segment on my NBC episode. It mentions how Paula's mother has been devastated by her daughters murder and she has since lost her job and became homeless.

I also wanted to mention another interesting little tidbit I watched today at the end of the 2/2/94 episode. RS talks about how the San Francisco earthquake took place just two weeks earlier and that police want them to tell people to make sure your contractor is fully licensed. (He mentioned something about people being scammed by fraudulent contractors after past earthquakes).

I just watched the NBC version of the Alice Viera segment. I knew there would be some unedited stuff as Lifetime had to make room for an update. One thing that stuck out that I don't really remember saying on Lifetime was that Alice died from being beat with a tire jack and stabbed 25 times. :(

Just found this one - In the episode about the New York coin scam, there is an additional scene showing the victim taking the coins to a dealer in the hope that they are worth something. A coin dealer is briefly interviewed and he reiterates that the coins are worthless and says that the scam will probably continue to work because, as P.T. Barnum says, "a sucker is born every minute".

"Carol" A scene was edited out just after she was shot, just before Robert Stack mentions that Carol was semi-conscious and could hear other drivers passing by. She mentioned she knew then she wasn't going to die, that she could hear the car radio and that she was also able to kick off her shoes. It was a very surreal feeling according to her.


Man, I can't believe they never nailed this scumbag :(.

That's what I'm talking about. They actually showed him falling and being swept away.

Yes I just watched the NBC version of the Alex Cooper segment. Quite chilling actually as they show him just kind of crumple and fall into the water and then get swept away. Of course thankfully that turned out to not be what happened to him.

Shane and Sally (San Angelo Cult Murders) - two scenes were edited out of the Lifetime airing. One is where Marshall Stewart approaches two cops at the location where the bodies were found and one of them warns Stewart about how gruesome it is. The other is where Stewart is walking through a field and Stack mentions how Stewart never believed the kids ran away.

"Carol" A scene was edited out just after she was shot, just before Robert Stack mentions that Carol was semi-conscious and could hear other drivers passing by. She mentioned she knew then she wasn't going to die, that she could hear the car radio and that she was also able to kick off her shoes. It was a very surreal feeling according to her.


Man, I can't believe they never nailed this scumbag :(.

I remember that. Also, in the original broadcast, they showed another angle of the shooter lifting his gun to Carol's car in real time (not slow motion) from farther away. It was repeated towards the end of the broadcast while one of the police officers was being interviewed.

In "Mistaken Hit" - the case that connected the murders between Charles Morgan in 1977 and Doug Johnston in 1990, the original NBC segment shows the scene where we look through the killer's eyes walking up to Johnston's vehicle and we see the shooting and death. Lifetime cut out the shooting and ended the scene just as the gun is being lifted to the back of Johnston's head. They also cut out a continued interview with Don Devereaux as well as a continued interview with Doug Johnston's wife where she says she agrees that the bullet that killed her husband must have been meant for Devereaux. The complete segment is featured in the Bizarre Murders DVD set with no scenes edited out.

In the Brad Bishop segment, Lifetime cut out the entire scene where Bishop is in the hardware store buying the shovel, gas can and the sledge hammer he would use to kill his family. Creepy background music was going on in that scene.

This has nothing to do with Lifetime editing but it was very strange. The first time the orange sock killings segment aired on NBC, we saw everything that would later be shown in the Lifetime version. However, the second time the segment aired on NBC, there was one short added scene towards the end where one of the police officers speculates about Annette Schnee possibly being killed somewhere else since her body was found so far away in a remote location unlike Bobbie Oberholtzer.

In the Son of Sam episode, they discussed finding the remains of dogs in the park, and a teenager claiming to have seen a strange individuals in the area at night. Immediately following was reenactment that showed black robed figures chanting, while holding onto a whimpering German Shepard. At some point the brief part with the dog was cut out.

This has nothing to do with Lifetime editing but it was very strange. The first time the orange sock killings segment aired on NBC, we saw everything that would later be shown in the Lifetime version. However, the second time the segment aired on NBC, there was one short added scene towards the end where one of the police officers speculates about Annette Schnee possibly being killed somewhere else since her body was found so far away in a remote location unlike Bobbie Oberholtzer.

Do you know what date the story was repeated for the second time? I have 5/1/91 for the original.

In the Son of Sam episode, they discussed finding the remains of dogs in the park, and a teenager claiming to have seen a strange individuals in the area at night. Immediately following was reenactment that showed black robed figures chanting, while holding onto a whimpering German Shepard. At some point the brief part with the dog was cut out.


Bingo! I remember that scene on NBC, and think perhaps due to animals rights concerns they took it out, as to not give the false impression that animals were hurt during the scene shooting? I though maybe I saw it on another show about Berkowitz but it was on UM.

I think Son of Sam part 1 and 2 are airing on that 2Am and 3Am broadcast on 11/29. Atleast, that is what the guide says. Perhaps they will put that scene back in? Spike put back some of the edited and deleted Tyler scenes on lifetime, as him flying and the leaving the police, so who knows what they will do with Berkowitz?

Do you know what date the story was repeated for the second time? I have 5/1/91 for the original.

That was a long time ago, I don't remember the exact date. It was a very, very short snippet. Couldn't have been more than 35 seconds long. I never understood why it wasn't included in the first broadcast, then was included in the second broadcast then never included again.

Very strange.

That was a long time ago, I don't remember the exact date. It was a very, very short snippet. Couldn't have been more than 35 seconds long. I never understood why it wasn't included in the first broadcast, then was included in the second broadcast then never included again.

Very strange.

That's cool chief. I thought you were referring to a taped copy you had or something.

Bingo! I remember that scene on NBC, and think perhaps due to animals rights concerns they took it out, as to not give the false impression that animals were hurt during the scene shooting? I though maybe I saw it on another show about Berkowitz but it was on UM.

I think Son of Sam part 1 and 2 are airing on that 2Am and 3Am broadcast on 11/29. Atleast, that is what the guide says. Perhaps they will put that scene back in? Spike put back some of the edited and deleted Tyler scenes on lifetime, as him flying and the leaving the police, so who knows what they will do with Berkowitz?

There are some misconceptions about the "dog scene". I think it was shown when the Son of Sam segment was aired for the first time as a two-parter in 1988.

There is another (NBC aired) version of the Son of Sam story that combines both halves of the original two part episode to make a whole story. In fact, they even re-shot some of Robert Stack's footage to bridge the gap. The dog scene is missing on that version. However, a few other scenes are missing as well including a detective talking about the odd differences between the composites of the shooter, as well as some of the DA's comments on the case.

I'm not sure why these edits were made, but I suspect it was done for time, as this episode crammed two other stories in to the hour - Walter "Curly" Green and Dennis Walker.

To the best of my knowledge, this combined version of the SOS report was not syndicated on Lifetime. However, Lifetime did show the original two-part version.

Don Smith's murder depiction was ...uggghhhh!:eek: :eek: :eek: Not that it was graphic, but it showed him getting hit with a car iron!

I'm from Canada, and we had a station called Prime, which has since changed it's name to Tvopolis. Anyways, they showed the scene where Bishop was buying the instruments of destruction. When he picked up that metal mallet...ugggghhhh...chills down my spine. That music was creeeeeepy:eek: :eek: :eek: As was the music when Brad exited the car as he arrived home, opened and closed his front door...

Had the show moved to away from NBC in 94/95, or perhaps 95/96? The reason I asked is because, during the Who Killed Superman segment, one of the interviewees, Jim Beaver...

http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0064769/

...was later on shown firing a gun, right there on the interview! Kid you not! It was blank, of course, but he was demonstrating how the bullet could be ejected BEHIND Christopher Reeve!

Harold and Thelma Swain - A scene that is several minutes long is cut out, they talk about a suspect with the last name of Ballantine. He had told people he killed a black preacher and his wife , and the churchgoer that spotted the murderer in the church vestibule, picked him out of a lineup because the clincher for her was that they had the same type of boots. I'm sure this was cut out because the murderer ending up not being Ballantine.

Not sure if this is on topic or not, but i think that the new "Farina" version may have some of these missing scenes cut back into them.

Of course now that the topic is brought up, I can't think of most of the segments where I noticed something new, but two come to mind.

(I may be recalling this one wrong) The Whistle Blown segment with Dave Bocks. There was a breif shot towards the end when they are suggesting suicide once again. I could be wrong, but the shot of him looking like he is in some kind of distress and possibly about to kill himself as I recall was not in the lifetime airing or the dvd release.

The Alex Cooper segment. I had only seen this case from the RS versions on lifetime. The other day I saw the Farina version for the first time and was suprised to see a "new scene" of Alex falling into the river.

I will try to keep an eye out for others that have been edited back into the segments. Just curious though, does anyone know if lifetime is now editing the Farina versions down from what Spike originally had them?

lol, with all the different versions, I am starting to think that George Lucas is involved in the editing of these segments.

I've noticed this too. Luckily I was able to tape a few of the long versions in the mid 2000s when Lifetime still aired them (or maybe those were an inbetween version).

Henderson bank robbers - No big deal, but I noticed the vault teller girl had a couple more lines, specifically after she says "I kept my cool" and before they cut to the scene of the robbers escorting everyone out of the bank. Also, when the police are chasing them through the apartment building, the cop has a couple extra lines.

Christy Nichols - For as well known (around here) and mysterious as that case is, and that it's from the very early days circa 1988, have you noticed it's surprisingly short? The original broadcast and even some extended Lifetime reruns have extra lines of dialogue. For example after Christie is walking out of the divorce lawyer's office, Stack has some narration that I never heard until recently - i.e. "What was Christie's state of mind on that day?" Mark also has a couple extra lines, but I'm not surprised they cut him off. :lol: There's also a bit of extra dialogue from Christi's cousin whom she confided in about Mark abusing her, as is when they're reenacting the family walking together on her last day known to be alive...just before she and Mark went to the bar.

Harold and Thelma Swain - A scene that is several minutes long is cut out, they talk about a suspect with the last name of Ballantine. He had told people he killed a black preacher and his wife , and the churchgoer that spotted the murderer in the church vestibule, picked him out of a lineup because the clincher for her was that they had the same type of boots. I'm sure this was cut out because the murderer ending up not being Ballantine.

I remember watching the Harold & Thelma Swain segment on "Lifetime" as early as 1992 and Ballatine was never mentioned. I was shocked when I found out how much was cut out of this segment including a piece of footage of the police arresting Ballatine and his cronies which was used as part of an UM introductory montage.
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I'll add a few to the cache:

The Freedom 2/John Russell & Bob Dozier - There are actually two versions of this segment both with unique material not seen in the other version. The first version is the original NBC broadcast aired on 11/9/88. This version contains among other things a scene of John & Suzanne Russell buying weapons including assault type weapons. It also contains interviews with Kristen Tomlin's family.

The "Lifetime" version of this case omits this material but includes footage of the coast guard search for Suzanne Russell and Kristen Tomlin. Also included is an interview with a member of the coast guard none of which was seen in the original NBC broadcast. There also might be a few more comments from the investigators about Russell and Dozier leaving town quickly in this syndication when compared to the original NBC broadcast.
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Susan Laferte - There are three versions of this segment floating around. The first is the original NBC broadcast aired on 5/18/88. This version contains additional interviews with Ernie Laferte and Simone and Ron Picard including a scene relating to a story that Ron mentions where the Picards had been receiving anonymous phone calls telling them to stop investigating the case or they will burn down their auto repair shop.

The second version is a rebroadcast of the segment aired 1/4/89 which omits footage of Susan and Doreen's bodies being discovered as well as an interview with Simone Picard present in the original broadcast. This version however does include an interview with Ron Picard not found in any other version of the segment.

The third version is the "Lifetime" syndication which includes an update on the case but omits almost all of the material I mentioned above except the footage of the bodies being discovered. In fact I don't believe that Ron Picard (and possibly Ernie Laferte) is featured at all in the "Lifetime" syndication of this case.

In the Eric Kessler episode I found from an old NBC recording, there is a second victim interviewed after "Katherine's" story was told. It was just a brief interview in silhouette. The description of "Kessler" also included that he wore a ring in the shape of a serpent.

Judith Himes. The Lifetime version deleted the reenactment scenes with radio talk show host Steve Brown receiving the phone call about the case; I specifically remember him asking how the caller received his unlisted home number. Large portions of his interview were also cut. I want to say scenes with Det. Chuck Scherer receiving the third phone call from the FBI informant were also cut as well, but his voiceover was still there. I could be mistaken on that bit, though.

Alcatraz quite a bit cut out here.

Robert Leeds The rerun on NBC actually shows a bit more footage toward the end, and also the additional paintings at the end have some additions as well as some omissions.

Missy Munday and Jerry Strickland I just watched one of the NBC versions a few days ago, and I could have swore there was a part about them going to buy a car, and Jerry leaving Missy at the dealership to buy insurance, and the authorities stating that Missy could have had hours to go and get help, but didn't, and that makes her just as guilty, but I didn't see it on that version. I'm going to have to reserach this.

Missy Munday and Jerry Strickland I just watched one of the NBC versions a few days ago, and I could have swore there was a part about them going to buy a car, and Jerry leaving Missy at the dealership to buy insurance, and the authorities stating that Missy could have had hours to go and get help, but didn't, and that makes her just as guilty, but I didn't see it on that version. I'm going to have to reserach this.

I watched this one just two days ago, and there definitely was a part about the dealership/insurance/guilt. I always forget if this one ever made it to Lifetime or not, but if it did, perhaps it was one of the segments "cut" from the PSS's and pasted into some other random episode--which would explain the shortening of the segment itself for timing reasons.

I watched this one just two days ago, and there definitely was a part about the dealership/insurance/guilt. I always forget if this one ever made it to Lifetime or not, but if it did, perhaps it was one of the segments "cut" from the PSS's and pasted into some other random episode--which would explain the shortening of the segment itself for timing reasons.

No this never made it to Lifetime. What Wiseguy is referring to I believe (and he can correct me if I'm wrong) is there were two broadcasts of this episode on NBC. The original broadcast from 2/5/88 and a rebroadcast from 7/13/88. The rebroadcast did contain an update regarding the capture of Strickland/Munday so they might have had to edit stuff out of the segment to fit that update in there.

^ Yeah, that's Jerry's classic "circlestantial evidence" update. :lol:

That reminds me, some of the original broadcast/pre-update segments are a real rarity in themselves since they were never shown again after the update was tacked on. Especially Stack's final words at the end.

the one that sticks out in my mind is the Tony Lombardi case, where Lifetime edits out another possible suspect: somebody that followed Tony home and threatened his life after he allegedly cut them off in traffic.

Sorry...but not much of an "Unsolved Mystery" in that case.
The gun that he used to shoot himself wasn't identified on the SHOW as being his, but is identified as belonging to the family in other media.
How many murders are committed using the victim's own gun and then staged to look like a suicide? And if the killer knew that only the mother was home,why didn't he/she/they simply kill her as well?

IMHO, this was a suicide and the family is choosing to ignore that unpleasant truth.

No this never made it to Lifetime. What Wiseguy is referring to I believe (and he can correct me if I'm wrong) is there were two broadcasts of this episode on NBC. The original broadcast from 2/5/88 and a rebroadcast from 7/13/88. The rebroadcast did contain an update regarding the capture of Strickland/Munday so they might have had to edit stuff out of the segment to fit that update in there.

Ok, thanks DarkDante. That makes much more sense. I was really doubting it'd actually made it to Lifetime, and I think the segment I was thinking of that was completely cut from one of the specials and put somewhere else was the Picard/Laferte case.

Sorry...but not much of an "Unsolved Mystery" in that case.
The gun that he used to shoot himself wasn't identified on the SHOW as being his, but is identified as belonging to the family in other media.
How many murders are committed using the victim's own gun and then staged to look like a suicide? And if the killer knew that only the mother was home,why didn't he/she/they simply kill her as well?

IMHO, this was a suicide and the family is choosing to ignore that unpleasant truth.

I don't have any problems with you stating your opinion, but this thread is about edits Lifetime made to the various segments.

Patsy Wright They cut out a part where Patsy's daughter says she received a call the day after Patsy's death, and that a lady caller was asking for Patsy, and the daughter told her she was deceased, and the lady said something to the effect of "Good, I'm glad" and then hung up.

Patsy Wright They cut out a part where Patsy's daughter says she received a call the day after Patsy's death, and that a lady caller was asking for Patsy, and the daughter told her she was deceased, and the lady said something to the effect of "Good, I'm glad" and then hung up.

I always wondered if there was more to this? Not to get too far off track but a lot of us here seem to be of the opinion that Patsy's ex husband Robert Cox had something to do with her murder. I really wonder if the woman who called and hung up on Patsy's daughter had anything to do with the case or if it was just a prank call of some sort? The phone call is something that has bothered me about the case ever since I saw this scene.

Patsy Wright They cut out a part where Patsy's daughter says she received a call the day after Patsy's death, and that a lady caller was asking for Patsy, and the daughter told her she was deceased, and the lady said something to the effect of "Good, I'm glad" and then hung up.

What is surprising about that info Wiseguy posted is that Spike put that scene back in! I remember several months back watching this segment with Farina and was shocked to see that scene for the first time. I can't imagine why Lifetime would have cut that out, it certainly was interesting and added another mysterious element to the crime.

Judith Himes. The Lifetime version deleted the reenactment scenes with radio talk show host Steve Brown receiving the phone call about the case; I specifically remember him asking how the caller received his unlisted home number. Large portions of his interview were also cut. I want to say scenes with Det. Chuck Scherer receiving the third phone call from the FBI informant were also cut as well, but his voiceover was still there. I could be mistaken on that bit, though.

Ok, just watched the edited version tonight. As it turns out, ALL of Steve Brown's interview was cut, and RS never mentions him by name. What I find really interesting, however, is that all of the background reenactment conversation is also quickly cut at points where Steve Brown's name was used (the voice on the phone with Scherer at the beginning of the segment, and the man talking in the phone booth towards the end). I wonder if there was some legal scruple between Cosgrove and Brown to explain it.

There was a scene (and quite possibly a major lead) cut from the case of the unexplained deaths of Arnold Archambeau & Ruby Bruguier

The scene was that while Arnold and Ruby were missing (since Dec.12,1992), a witness mentioned that they saw Arnold on New Year's Eve, driving a car with some other, unidentified passengers

The witness spoke to Arnold briefly and that was that -- Then in March of '93, their bodies were found

I've always wondered why that segment was cut. I remember seeing it on NBC years ago - I think that version is still up on that site that cannot be named

I also caught the segment on Spike and that's when I noticed the scene with the witness seeing Arnold alive on New Year's Eve had been cut

Perhaps Spike had it edited to dedicate more time to much more pertinent programming, like the Girls Gone Wild infomercial following UM :rolleyes:

Elizabeth Campbell - there is a brief cut at the end of the segment, where they talk about how they suspect the person seen with Elizabeth is probably her pimp.

David Harry Fisher - Towards the end of the segment, there is a scene cut out where they mention Fisher is a suspect in the murder of 3 other girls in Washington state, and give names and pictures of the girls, and that their murders closely resembled Laura Burbank's, so they suspected Fisher.

Well, this isn't too specific but it seems like anytime they update a segment about a fugitive's capture, the tail end of the segment where Stack rattles off the fugitive's attributes typically gets truncated or cut entirely.

I guess this is a timing thing.

The only example I can think of offhand is the infamous "Omar" arsonist segment. In the original broadcast, pre-update, Stack displays the camo-jacket that the tape was found wrapped in, a strange insignia that is on the jacket, and the arsonist's nickname as revealed on the tape - "The Fashion Man". I never knew these details until I found the NBC version of the segment. The Lifetime version omits this scene in favor of the update.

true that. There are some interesting nuggets of information in those sometimes, such as Rick Church's unibrow, or that when Dan Wilson was allegedly spotted at the homeless shelter, he was with a woman and kids, who he left out in the car to freeze in the cold.

true that. There are some interesting nuggets of information in those sometimes, such as Rick Church's unibrow, or that when Dan Wilson was allegedly spotted at the homeless shelter, he was with a woman and kids, who he left out in the car to freeze in the cold.

Yes I thought the mention of the unibrow was pretty entertaining. No doubt he was sitting there watching the UM broadcast shaving it...:lol:

Don Smith - they theorize how he may have been killed and show a scene where Don is calling his dogs that are out running in an open field when the unknown black male comes from behind and is going to hit him with some sort of tool.


At this point has this scene cut/edited and is there an unedited version?


When the unknown black male raises the jackhammer or unknown metal tool, it then freeze frames and in the next scene where it shows the black male loading Don Smith into the truck the music has changed abruptly, suggesting that there was another scene in here that was removed.

How do you guys and gals watch the unedited NBC versions?

I know I've mentioned this elsewhere, though it doesn't appear I've mentioned it in this thread specifically. There is a strange edit in the John Branion final appeal segment. On the old Robert Stack Lifetime version, the part where the prosecutor speculates on the possibility that Branion hired a hitman to murder his wife is completely removed, as is Branion's heated rebuttal, and the rebuttal from his attorneys that the theory is legally irrelevant. I always thought this was an odd edit to make. Without these crucial comments, the segment is extremely slanted in Branion's favor and one might readily conclude he was innocent, as we only hear about the time table evidence which proves he couldn't have done the shooting himself.

I know I've mentioned this elsewhere, though it doesn't appear I've mentioned it in this thread specifically. There is a strange edit in the John Branion final appeal segment. On the old Robert Stack Lifetime version, the part where the prosecutor speculates on the possibility that Branion hired a hitman to murder his wife is completely removed, as is Branion's heated rebuttal, and the rebuttal from his attorneys that the theory is legally irrelevant. I always thought this was an odd edit to make. Without these crucial comments, the segment is extremely slanted in Branion's favor and one might readily conclude he was innocent, as we only hear about the time table evidence which proves he couldn't have done the shooting himself.

Interesting info. I believe I've only seen the version where the possibility of a hitman is edited out and always found it strange that UM never even broached the subject. You're right, without the hitman theory, it's very easy to believe that Branion was innocent since it's only speculated that he committed the crime himself, which would have been impossible. I wonder if Branion's death had any bearing on their decision to present him in the best possible light.

Interesting info. I believe I've only seen the version where the possibility of a hitman is edited out and always found it strange that UM never even broached the subject. You're right, without the hitman theory, it's very easy to believe that Branion was innocent since it's only speculated that he committed the crime himself, which would have been impossible. I wonder if Branion's death had any bearing on their decision to present him in the best possible light.

It was a very brief tidbit at the end of the segment after all the time table stuff. The oddest part was the prosecutor freely admitting that he didn't know if Branion pulled the trigger, but he still thought Branion probably had something to do with the death of his wife.

It's important to remember that the Lifetime versions of the segment always included the update about Branion's pardon and death - information that was obviously not a part of the original 1989 NBC broadcast. I suspect the addition of that segment resulted in them having to shave a few minutes off the running time to make the update fit, and that was why portions of the segment were removed.

Ladonna Morrow ~ some stuff from the tail end of the segment is clipped, including a heart-wrenching scene where Ladonna is sitting on Jared's bed, obviously missing him.

Does anyone how to get the NBC unedited original segments? I've been looking for a while now. Thanks.

Another example, for those who love composite sketches, in the NBC version of Beverly McGowan, you actually got a composite sketch of Alice and her accomplice. In the Lifetime version, at least in later updates, this sketch is edited out and you are left with the sketch of her accomplice, the man who wore the cheap Cleopatra wig.

Also, in the Morris Davis segment, near the end of the segment, Davis' brother had some opinions about the man whose gun was traced to the crime. This was edited out as well in the Lifetime version.

Another example, for those who love composite sketches, in the NBC version of Beverly McGowan, you actually got a composite sketch of Alice and her accomplice. In the Lifetime version, at least in later updates, this sketch is edited out and you are left with the sketch of her accomplice, the man who wore the cheap Cleopatra wig.

I remember this and can confirm that on very old Lifetime airings (early to mid-nineties) before the woman was identified, they used to show the "Alice" composite sketch alongside the "Sam" sketch. I may have had this version on tape at one time. Of course, after she was identified, the "Alice" composite disappeared (replaced by the photographs) while the "Sam" composite sketch remained.

I remember this and can confirm that on very old Lifetime airings (early to mid-nineties) before the woman was identified, they used to show the "Alice" composite sketch alongside the "Sam" sketch. I may have had this version on tape at one time. Of course, after she was identified, the "Alice" composite disappeared (replaced by the photographs) while the "Sam" composite sketch remained.

A pity too as the "Alice" sketch was extremely creepy. It still gets me how authorities were chasing a phantom in this case for a rather significant period of time. It took them long enough to identify Alice and even when they were able to accomplish that, they were still chasing her non-existent mystery man, "Sam".

I'm not blaming them as I'm sure it was a tough case to crack but I feel for Bev's family having to go through all those years not knowing the entire facts about what happened to Bev.

A pity too as the "Alice" sketch was extremely creepy.

You are right about that. Even though "Alice" was an attractive woman by accounts, it was still a creepy sketch.

btw, is that Rebecca Schaeffer from My Sister Sam in your avatar? I recorded an episode of the Unexplained with Bill Kurtis about her murder many weeks ago. Apparently, the guy who killed her also targeted Samantha Smith, and there was a thread about her not too long ago.

You are right about that. Even though "Alice" was an attractive woman by accounts, it was still a creepy sketch.

btw, is that Rebecca Schaeffer from My Sister Sam in your avatar? I recorded an episode of the Unexplained with Bill Kurtis about her murder many weeks ago. Apparently, the guy who killed her also targeted Samantha Smith, and there was a thread about her not too long ago.

Yeah it's Bec. Rebecca's killer actually targeted a number of celebrities including singers Tiffany and Debbie Gibson. But he was particularly obsessed with Rebecca or more likely the character Rebecca portrayed on "My Sister Sam". At one point the piece of garbage wrote her a fan letter and Rebecca innocently replied that "it was one of the nicest letters she had ever received" which obviously did little more than to set him further on with his obsession with her.

Just really tragic is the only word for it.

A pity too as the "Alice" sketch was extremely creepy.

Yeah, I thought so too. The "Alice" and the "Sam" composites were obviously drawn by different artists. The styles were quite different. For some reason, the "Alice" composite had some odd qualities that made it almost look non-human. I think that is why I was always unnerved by it, and perhaps why the memory of it remained so strong even years later after they edited it out of the broadcast.

I just watched the unedited Cindy James segment on the forbidden site today. It makes her seem a little bit more "human," if you know what I mean. You get to hear her voice.

Then there's the L'Enfant segment with the update at the end that has anti-gay and racist remarks apparently made by Gabby Bashir. I have never seen the case when it actually aired so maybe someone who has remembers if there was actually an update. I remember someone saying that it was an obvious fake made to look like a UM update. It struck me the first time I saw it---perhaps the work of his tormentors or someone just fooling around?

Then there's the L'Enfant segment with the update at the end that has anti-gay and racist remarks apparently made by Gabby Bashir. I have never seen the case when it actually aired so maybe someone who has remembers if there was actually an update. I remember someone saying that it was an obvious fake made to look like a UM update. It struck me the first time I saw it---perhaps the work of his tormentors or someone just fooling around?
What?! I'm going to guess that's a hoax. I've never seen any such update and I don't imagine they would actually update the segment just to show that.

Then there's the L'Enfant segment with the update at the end that has anti-gay and racist remarks apparently made by Gabby Bashir. I have never seen the case when it actually aired so maybe someone who has remembers if there was actually an update. I remember someone saying that it was an obvious fake made to look like a UM update. It struck me the first time I saw it---perhaps the work of his tormentors or someone just fooling around?

That "update" was never a part of any broadcast. It was created by the poster. The same person made these official looking pseudo updates for other stories too. I remember seeing some of them. I think they did one for the Jerry Strickland/Missy Munday segment as well.

Joe and Mattie Harvey ~ In totality, there's a good minute or so spent talking about a "bearded man" seen accompanying Cheryl Holland after she committed the crimes, but before she left Tennessee, including a pretty creepy composite sketch shown side by side Cheryl's at the end.

Also included in this discussion is a scene where the guy follows Cheryl to a gas station. She initially goes in, but leaves before buying anything, and appears to want to have nothing to do with the man. I think this may have been part of Cheryl's ruse to give people the impression that she was kidnapped and had no part in the murders (coupled with things like the necklace found on the ground when her car was discovered.) In any event, I'm guessing this guy was found to be unconnected to the case, so maybe that's why they dropped it. I think Lifetime has dropped parts of segments with suspects that ended up being cleared, such as in the Harold and Thelma Swain segment for instance.

Joe and Mattie Harvey ~ In totality, there's a good minute or so spent talking about a "bearded man" seen accompanying Cheryl Holland after she committed the crimes, but before she left Tennessee, including a pretty creepy composite sketch shown side by side Cheryl's at the end.

Also included in this discussion is a scene where the guy follows Cheryl to a gas station. She initially goes in, but leaves before buying anything, and appears to want to have nothing to do with the man. I think this may have been part of Cheryl's ruse to give people the impression that she was kidnapped and had no part in the murders (coupled with things like the necklace found on the ground when her car was discovered.) In any event, I'm guessing this guy was found to be unconnected to the case, so maybe that's why they dropped it. I think Lifetime has dropped parts of segments with suspects that ended up being cleared, such as in the Harold and Thelma Swain segment for instance.

I think you nailed it there. It's some of the more interesting footage shot that never made syndication because it might actually provide the viewer with at least some semblance of motive as to why Cheryl Holland murdered her aunt and uncle.

I remember awhile back we were debating on the forums regarding motive as it pertain to this particular case and a lot of people came up with the suggestion that it was possible that Cheryl owed someone money for some sort of debt she was in perhaps of a nefarious nature.

While it's possible as you mentioned that the "bearded man" scenario could have been a ruse, it's also possible that Holland was in debt to this individual and that would've provided the motive for the crime in the first place. It's possible that police were able to identify this individual but without any means of tying him to the murder of Joe & Mattie Harvey (he didn't actually participate in the murder) never filed any charges against him. It's important to remember that even if Cheryl Holland was in debt to this individual, she of her own volition murdered her relatives and therefore it would be hard to tie the individual whom she owed money to the crime itself.

I think you nailed it there. It's some of the more interesting footage shot that never made syndication because it might actually provide the viewer with at least some semblance of motive as to why Cheryl Holland murdered her aunt and uncle.

I remember awhile back we were debating on the forums regarding motive as it pertain to this particular case and a lot of people came up with the suggestion that it was possible that Cheryl owed someone money for some sort of debt she was in perhaps of a nefarious nature.

While it's possible as you mentioned that the "bearded man" scenario could have been a ruse, it's also possible that Holland was in debt to this individual and that would've provided the motive for the crime in the first place. It's possible that police were able to identify this individual but without any means of tying him to the murder of Joe & Mattie Harvey (he didn't actually participate in the murder) never filed any charges against him. It's important to remember that even if Cheryl Holland was in debt to this individual, she of her own volition murdered her relatives and therefore it would be hard to tie the individual whom she owed money to the crime itself.

I don't know, Dante. When Cheryl said "we need the money.", Cheryl's boyfriend, (Eddie Wooten, was that his name?) replied that they didn't need it. I think the temptation of $150,000 in the house (?!) was too much for Cheryl.

I do kind of wonder, though, how she went through it that fast. She was working in a convenice store not too long after the fact.

I don't know, Dante. When Cheryl said "we need the money.", Cheryl's boyfriend, (Eddie Wooten, was that his name?) replied that they didn't need it. I think the temptation of $150,000 in the house (?!) was too much for Cheryl.

I do kind of wonder, though, how she went through it that fast. She was working in a convenice store not too long after the fact.

This has always bothered me as well. Personally I consider Eddie Wooten little more than a patsy in Cheryl's scheme to murder her aunt and uncle. As one of Cheryl's relatives mentioned in the segment "Eddie didn't have that much education" implying that Wooten wouldn't possess the mental capabilities to formulate nor carry out such a plan. Why I'll admit the act of committing murder isn't exactly rocket science, I do concur with the fact that the germ of the idea probably didn't come from Wooten. Perhaps Cheryl only gave him information on a "need to know" basis?

Btw: I really liked Cheryl's family. We had a thread awhile back about people on UM that were likeable and for me I think out of all the people profiled on the program, I liked Cheryl's family the best. Just so unbelievably tragic what happened.

Btw: I really liked Cheryl's family. We had a thread awhile back about people on UM that were likeable and for me I think out of all the people profiled on the program, I liked Cheryl's family the best. Just so unbelievably tragic what happened.

You like Cheryl's family? Even after they staunchly defended/supported her after her heinous actions towards Joe and Mattie, after she robbed them, killed them, set their house on fire, destroyed their car and gave them a crude burial across state lines, all while her young children were present?

I particularly hated Cheryl's sister. Totally smug and annoying. I hated her ridiculous explanation of why Cheryl torched the house, something to do with how she was afraid of Eddie or something. Not only was Eddie the patsy here, as you mentioned, but he wasn't even around at the time. Cheryl went back to the house alone.

You like Cheryl's family? Even after they staunchly defended/supported her after her heinous actions towards Joe and Mattie, after she robbed them, killed them, set their house on fire, destroyed their car and gave them a crude burial across state lines, all while her young children were present?

I particularly hated Cheryl's sister. Totally smug and annoying. I hated her ridiculous explanation of why Cheryl torched the house, something to do with how she was afraid of Eddie or something. Not only was Eddie the patsy here, as you mentioned, but he wasn't even around at the time. Cheryl went back to the house alone.
Perhaps DarkDante meant the uncle? I thought he was ok because he didn't defend anything, but said "we're still your family and we don't want you getting killed." I thought it was pretty understandable that he didn't seem pleased with her crimes, but didn't want her getting hurt on the run. Family seemed very important to him and it seemed he was more wanting to do what he could than condoning her actions. The sister did seem to be annoying. Then again, I can only wonder how I would feel if I had a family member accused of such a thing. If we viewers are astonished someone would do something like that for money, imagine how they felt. It must have been pure shock and horror. I think the sister was grasping at straws because she didn't know what else to do.

Don't know if it's been brought up yet, but the Son of Sam segment (aired on NBC) was considerably longer than the one aired on Lifetime. They showed more footage of the re-enactments. And in the John Branion segment, NBC had a part mentioning the possibility that Branion hired someone to kill his wife whereas they make no mention of this on the Liftetime version.

You like Cheryl's family? Even after they staunchly defended/supported her after her heinous actions towards Joe and Mattie, after she robbed them, killed them, set their house on fire, destroyed their car and gave them a crude burial across state lines, all while her young children were present?

I particularly hated Cheryl's sister. Totally smug and annoying. I hated her ridiculous explanation of why Cheryl torched the house, something to do with how she was afraid of Eddie or something. Not only was Eddie the patsy here, as you mentioned, but he wasn't even around at the time. Cheryl went back to the house alone.

I don't think they necessarily defended or supported her actions. I think they just loved and accepted her regardless of what she'd done. It was clear to me they understood, accepted, and supported the notion that if she did in fact commit a crime, she would have to face prison time. There was a tendency to overestimate Eddie's role, but they didn't have the advantage of having the full story from the get-go as we did watching it on a UM segment. I didn't think Cheryl's sister was smug; she just had an idea that was incorrect.

Anyway, I think it's admirable. I have family members who have committed crimes and have gone to jail. That doesn't mean I systematically disown them and suddenly stop loving or caring about them. What they did doesn't make them who they are essentially.

I don't think they necessarily defended or supported her actions. I think they just loved and accepted her regardless of what she'd done. It was clear to me they understood, accepted, and supported the notion that if she did in fact commit a crime, she would have to face prison time. There was a tendency to overestimate Eddie's role, but they didn't have the advantage of having the full story from the get-go as we did watching it on a UM segment. I didn't think Cheryl's sister was smug; she just had an idea that was incorrect.

Anyway, I think it's admirable. I have family members who have committed crimes and have gone to jail. That doesn't mean I systematically disown them and suddenly stop loving or caring about them. What they did doesn't make them who they are essentially.

Pretty much what I was going to say. I think Cheryl's sister was a bit on the naive side or perhaps in a state of denial. As Springsteen once wrote "But when it's your brother/sister sometimes you look the other way" I guess?

The rest of her family was great and I obviously include Teet and Joe in that equation as well. Came off as very likeable people.

Lifetime used to just burn me up the way they would cut out key parts of the segments. I only want uncut and original when it comes to UM.

The Pierre segment from 9/23/1992, is heavily edited on Lifetime. At least, when Lifetime aired it in the 2000s.

On the original NBC segment, there are a few minutes devoted to showing how Pierre knows special skills including playing the guitar and how he is now a street player. Also, there is some time devoted to Pierre working with a sketch artist. Two composite drawings of people from his past, were created of a man name Curly and a woman named Carol. Both rather creepy drawings. Then at the end of the segment, Robert Stack comes on and reminds viewers how similar this segment was to Tyler from an October 1991 episode.

The Pierre segment from 9/23/1992, is heavily edited on Lifetime. At least, when Lifetime aired it in the 2000s.

On the original NBC segment, there are a few minutes devoted to showing how Pierre knows special skills including playing the guitar and how he is now a street player. Also, there is some time devoted to Pierre working with a sketch artist. Two composite drawings of people from his past, were created of a man name Curly and a woman named Carol. Both rather creepy drawings. Then at the end of the segment, Robert Stack comes on and reminds viewers how similar this segment was to Tyler from an October 1991 episode.

Combining segments and updates, there are a ton of different versions of Pierre, making this case something of an oddity. The 2 segments you mentioned as above. Plus, the first update to the case, which aired not too long after the original segment aired, was a pretty quick affair in which Stack said that some of Pierre's relatives were located in Quebec. Then when the update was shown again some time later, there was an add-on piece about another amnesia victim named Susan Kennedy, who was found in Texas. When the update got to Lifetime, the Susan Kennedy piece was eliminated.

Patsy Wright They cut out a part where Patsy's daughter says she received a call the day after Patsy's death, and that a lady caller was asking for Patsy, and the daughter told her she was deceased, and the lady said something to the effect of "Good, I'm glad" and then hung up.
Whoa! I've never heard of this before. I feel awful for her poor daughter :( I wonder who the woman was and why, if she was so glad that Patsy was gone, would be phoning to speak to her in the first place.

Harold and Thelma Swain - A scene that is several minutes long is cut out, they talk about a suspect with the last name of Ballantine. He had told people he killed a black preacher and his wife , and the churchgoer that spotted the murderer in the church vestibule, picked him out of a lineup because the clincher for her was that they had the same type of boots. I'm sure this was cut out because the murderer ending up not being Ballantine.

Whoa!

Am reading this for the first time. I thought I read something a long time ago about there actually being some doubt about Dennis Perry's guilt and that his confession and guilty plea were allegedly coerced. That certainly sheds an interesting light on things.

It also explains why the witness made a point to comment on his "scuffed boots". I always thought that was a little random on its own, but makes a lot of sense in that context.

I'm not 100% certain, but I believe in the Lifetime reruns of the "Billy the Kid" segment, there are certain snippets from William A. Tunstill that were cut from the NBC version. There's certain spots in the segment (the rerun) where the cut away from Tunstill and you can tell he wasn't finished what he was about to say. Also, in the Tim McClure segment, they completely leave out his line about if anyone saw anything happen to his mother "now would be a good time to come out" or something to that effect.

Whoa!

Am reading this for the first time. I thought I read something a long time ago about there actually being some doubt about Dennis Perry's guilt and that his confession and guilty plea were allegedly coerced. That certainly sheds an interesting light on things.

It also explains why the witness made a point to comment on his "scuffed boots". I always thought that was a little random on its own, but makes a lot of sense in that context.

Yeah, I'm pretty convinced Dennis Perry is innocent and that the investigation was botched big time. Perry had perfect 20/20 vision and didn't need glasses, yet the killer's glasses that Robert Stack was holding apparently WENT MISSING after the segment was filmed! Perry was also allegedly at work several hours away at the time of the murders, but he still got convicted.

I never knew the UM segment ever pointed towards another suspect, but it seems likely this Ballantine guy was the real killer.

Yeah, I'm pretty convinced Dennis Perry is innocent and that the investigation was botched big time. Perry had perfect 20/20 vision and didn't need glasses, yet the killer's glasses that Robert Stack was holding apparently WENT MISSING after the segment was filmed! Perry was also allegedly at work several hours away at the time of the murders, but he still got convicted.

I never knew the UM segment ever pointed towards another suspect, but it seems likely this Ballantine guy was the real killer.

I actually rather recently (probably a few months back) read some rather unflattering things about Sheriff Bill Smith, who was interviewed in this segment. Apparently the other investigator interviewed in the segment--who I think was a GBI or a Georgia State Patrol officer--was pretty hot about the lost glasses incident, because Sheriff Smith did not arrange for a proper chain of custody for that piece of evidence, and without telling anybody what he was going to do, just handed them over to the UM staff when they asked for them. The rest is history.

Although he had been consistently voted into office for two decades, he was also accused of doing some rather unethical things with confiscated drug money and improperly utilizing inmate labor a couple of years ago and subsequently lost the 2008 election to one of his subordinates. Pretty disappointing all around.

I actually rather recently (probably a few months back) read some rather unflattering things about Sheriff Bill Smith, who was interviewed in this segment. Apparently the other investigator interviewed in the segment--who I think was a GBI or a Georgia State Patrol officer--was pretty hot about the lost glasses incident, because Sheriff Smith did not arrange for a proper chain of custody for that piece of evidence, and without telling anybody what he was going to do, just handed them over to the UM staff when they asked for them. The rest is history.

Yeah, I always wondered why the police would need to give UM the SAME pair of glasses used in the crime for the filming of the scene. Couldn't they just show a photograph of the glasses or have Stack hold up a similar-looking pair? It seems pretty risky to just hand over crucial evidence like that. I wouldn't be surprised if UM did return the glasses, but the sheriff just lost them and decided to make UM the scapegoat.

There were several occasions when RS held actual evidence, but it was usually in a bag wrapped so he wasn't actually touching it, IIRC. But in this case, I remember him holding the actual glasses and touching them, which does seem pretty odd. I agree that UM probably did return the glasses and the sheriff lost them and blamed the show; considering UM's track record, I bet they would have been really careful about returning actual crime scene items.

I was able to find a Spanish-dubbed version of the Lorene Roberts segment without the update on a certain site. Oddly, (I don't remember this being on the Lifetime airings) the segment starts out with a montage of clips of homeless people picking through trash and whatnot with RS narrating something about their plight in the United States. This segues into him introducing Lorene's case and stating that she may be one of those people "lost among the homeless".

Near the end of the segment, the family's attorney Eric Tucker explains about the money Lorene stands to inherit and theorizes that it's possible that she's living on the streets or in a mental hospital unaware of her identity. Lorene's sisters also added that their family was incomplete without here. An age-progressed photo of Lorene was shown. It turns out that her full name is Vera Lorene Roberts, but that she's always preferred to go by her middle name.

In the original Countess of Cleveland segment, RS mentions that Barbara Helga King was spotted at the Trump Plaza casino in Atlantic City on April 19, 1991 (just a few weeks before the segment) attending the George Foreman/Evander Holyfield fight. The witness recognized her, but she left before police could apprehend her.

I don't know if this counts, but in all the Lifetime versions of The Freedom 2/John Russell & Bob Dozier that I saw, there is no mention of the Canadian couple that alleges they were swindled by Suzanne Russell.

This segment is one of my all time favorites, and I didn't realize there was such an update until I watched a version of it on the video channel which shall not be named a few years ago.

In the Judith Himes segment, the entire part of the radio host who allegedly called the Coral Gables PD is completely cut out of the Lifetime reruns. This adds an additional heir of mystery to the segment (in addition to the "Judith Himes is alive and in Omaha" phone call), and I have no idea why it was left out. The fact that at least three people (if you count the guy posing as the radio host, the woman calling saying Judith was alive, and the man who claimed to be an FBI informant) who called the Coral Gables department 25 years after Judith's disappearance, makes the case much, much more intriguing to me. Tack on the fact that 2/3 phone calls originated in Nebraska shortly after the Coral Gables officer gave a lecture in Omaha, and I think you've got a very good chance that either: Judith was alive at some point in Omaha, and these callers knew it, or these callers knew more information with regards to the disappearance of Judith.

This adds an additional heir of mystery to the segment (in addition to the "Judith Himes is alive and in Omaha" phone call), and I have no idea why it was left out.

Perhaps this should have been a "Lost Heirs" segment! :)

I remember seeing the original airing of this one and was also wondering what happened to the rest of it once viewing it again online 20 years later.

In the original Countess of Cleveland segment, RS mentions that Barbara Helga King was spotted at the Trump Plaza casino in Atlantic City on April 19, 1991 (just a few weeks before the segment) attending the George Foreman/Evander Holyfield fight. The witness recognized her, but she left before police could apprehend her.

Yes, and there was some additional footage here and there throughout the segment as well, IIRC. I seem to remember a scene in which "the Countess" is rounding a street corner in her very expensive car and the camera sort of pans out so that the viewer can see she's driving by a very rustbelt-looking section of Cleveland. I guess it was an attempt to juxtapose King's lifestyle and demeanor with the blue-collar-and-industry flavor of the city. That particular scene was truncated in the Lifetime version; I'm sure others were as well.

The Micki Jo West segment is another "edited" segment that comes to mind. In the original NBC version, portions of an interview with Micki's father were aired. In the Lifetime version, all of these scenes are cut out completely.

The Micki Jo West segment is another "edited" segment that comes to mind. In the original NBC version, portions of an interview with Micki's father were aired. In the Lifetime version, all of these scenes are cut out completely.
That's one of my favorite segments. I'm disappointed to hear that I've yet to actually see the full version! I never knew her father was interviewed.

I have both versions of Phillip fraser on my dvd collection (from VHS). at first I only saw the edited version. then when I got another copy it showed what you said - much more. the girl at the diner/gas station talked more and they showed the basement where the killer stayed during the night. And the man who let him stay at his house said there were guns in the basement right near where the killer slept but he never stole them.

And it was a shame that they edited out Canada taking away Phillips 2 guns! Perhaps he could still be alive if he had a gun because he could have shot the killer in self defense. Sometimes good rules hurt us.

Then again maybe the killer snuck up from behind him and choked him to death. Did they say if he died from gun shots? I know his car was burned.

I have both versions of Phillip fraser on my dvd collection

Then again maybe the killer snuck up from behind him and choked him to death. Did they say if he died from gun shots? I know his car was burned.

Haven't seen the original since it first aired but the Lifetime version never said what Phillip died from. It's the only UM segment involving a murder (that I can recall) never stated how a victim was killed.

Haven't seen the original since it first aired but the Lifetime version never said what Phillip died from. It's the only UM segment involving a murder (that I can recall) never stated how a victim was killed.
The only other one I can think of is the case of Diane Shawcraft and Jennifer Leuth. LE intentionally declined to state it.

I have both versions of Phillip fraser on my dvd collection (from VHS). at first I only saw the edited version. then when I got another copy it showed what you said - much more. the girl at the diner/gas station talked more and they showed the basement where the killer stayed during the night. And the man who let him stay at his house said there were guns in the basement right near where the killer slept but he never stole them.

And it was a shame that they edited out Canada taking away Phillips 2 guns! Perhaps he could still be alive if he had a gun because he could have shot the killer in self defense. Sometimes good rules hurt us.

Then again maybe the killer snuck up from behind him and choked him to death. Did they say if he died from gun shots? I know his car was burned.

I've seen both the NBC version and the Lifetime version (with Stack) and neither indicated the cause of death.

I do know that if you search the forum though, you'll find a lengthy thread about Frasier's case. In one of the threads, a "one post wonder" type responds and says that they knew or had some connection to Frasier's family. They said in the post that he died of a gunshot wound. I remembered it simply because that was the first time I had ever read a precise cause of death, because, as I said, it was omitted from the segment for some reason.

Of course, the usual caveat applies, anyone can say anything on the Internet.

I do wonder though if possibly LE asked UM to not release the cause of death for some reason. Possibly having to do with ongoing investigation, or as a possible way of determining the accuracy of leads.

Doesn't the Lifetime version of Phillip Fraser omit the part about his guns being seized by the Canadian government? There were also some comments made by the two women from the diner that were edited out, IIRC.

Doesn't the Lifetime version of Phillip Fraser omit the part about his guns being seized by the Canadian government? There were also some comments made by the two women from the diner that were edited out, IIRC.

Yes. You can tell it was kind of a rough cut as well, as the music abruptly changes from the cut portion to the next scene. That segment seemed to have a few of those.

Some of the details about the suspect staying overnight at the Olsens, i.e., being in a room with firearms all night, are also omitted in the Lifetime version.

Just noticed there are cuts made in the Lifetime version of the Pat Robertson/Lakewood Church bomber segment. There was some information about how one of the boxes used in the bomb delivery had the word "Burgundy" written on the side and markings that indicated the box once held candles from Home Interiors. This was omitted in the Lifetime version, along with some extraneous interview comments.

Just noticed there are cuts made in the Lifetime version of the Pat Robertson/Lakewood Church bomber segment. There was some information about how one of the boxes used in the bomb delivery had the word "Burgundy" written on the side and markings that indicated the box once held candles from Home Interiors. This was omitted in the Lifetime version, along with some extraneous interview comments.


I know Lifetime has to do their "thing" and make cuts so everything runs within the time constraints, but it burns me when they omit what could amount to potential identifiers/clues. Omissions such as the fact that the Boston Shopping Mall Rapist always wore Obsession cologne, or that the author of the Nyleen Kay Marshall letter claimed his entire family had died in a terrible car accident of which he was the sole survivor could help lead to the identity of the perpetrators in these cases.

I recently found the unedited segment of the UHAUL case in my collection, which I had never seen before. Apparently two of the brothers attacked a third at a meeting because he was recording the conversation. There's also a sad clip of L.S. saying that if he could turn back time he wouldn't give his children any money until they were 35 or in general, just an education. :(

I can see why Sam Shoen was so certain UHAUL was related, but I think it's pretty much accepted now that they weren't and the perp acted alone.

I know Lifetime has to do their "thing" and make cuts so everything runs within the time constraints

I noticed as the years wore on, they would often do quickie updates at the beginning of the episode, sometimes even replacing the theme music with it, and then give the standard "we'll bring you more details on a future broadcast."

While it is annoying Lifetime would cut things that could be crucial to identifying the perps, I can sort of understand why they would edit some things. Back in the pre-internet days, there would be no way for most viewers to figure out if a case had been solved, and I think Lifetime didn't want things ending on a "cliffhanger" so to speak.

Old thread but I just discovered a new one. In the reruns of the Rae Ann Mossor case, they edit out a part involving Rae Ann's mother going before a grand jury to try and get her case reopened.

Old thread but I just discovered a new one. In the reruns of the Rae Ann Mossor case, they edit out a part involving Rae Ann's mother going before a grand jury to try and get her case reopened.

That part contains another one of those UM lines that gets stuck in my head from time to time: "When I come out of the grand jury, I was emotionally a-drained." Being from East TN, the Appalachian dialect jumps out at me.

There's also a part with Rae Ann's father saying something to the effect of the police "getting off their duffs" or something similar I've only seen a few times. It's not on the Lifetime version in my collection, although the grand jury stuff is. The commentary from Mr. Mossor believing the death was a murder "and I really don't care what anyone thinks" is also on my version.

Just watched the original NBC airing of the 10/14/92 episode which featured the segment on Georgia Ann Boyd, who went by "Gerri". There were several scenes that Lifetime cut out:

* Lifetime cut abruptly from Dereld watching Gerri dance onstage at the club to him meeting the woman she called her grandmother. There was actually a scene in between where Gerri comes down after her number and sits with Dereld and Dereld explaining that he felt special that she would do this because the club's rules stated that the girls were supposed to mingle from table to table to help them sell more drinks.

* Dereld explaining how he trusted Gerri when she said that the men in suits and ties who were talking her at work were "nobody". I'm almost positive that was cut out in syndication.

* Dereld talks about his decision to take Gerri off life support and having to go home and tell her daughters about their mother's death. He also talks about tracking down the man Gerri said was her father, but that the man said he had no daughters and had never heard of Georgia Boyd. There was also no record of Gerri in the Cherokee Nation, of which she said she had partial heritage.

* Obviously, since the case was solved, Lifetime cut out some of Georgia's stats. She was supposedly born on January 20, 1956 and mentioned family ties to Jacksonville, FL and Atlanta, GA. The photo seen on the broadcast was said to be the only known picture of her face.

* RS stated that her oldest daughter Sally had just given birth to a baby girl. The child had a medical problem that doctor's couldn't diagnose. They were hoping that in finding Georgia's family they would be able to ascertain family medical history that would help.

Just watched the original NBC airing of the 10/14/92 episode which featured the segment on Georgia Ann Boyd, who went by "Gerri". There were several scenes that Lifetime cut out:

* Lifetime cut abruptly from Dereld watching Gerri dance onstage at the club to him meeting the woman she called her grandmother. There was actually a scene in between where Gerri comes down after her number and sits with Dereld and Dereld explaining that he felt special that she would do this because the club's rules stated that the girls were supposed to mingle from table to table to help them sell more drinks.

* Dereld explaining how he trusted Gerri when she said that the men in suits and ties who were talking her at work were "nobody". I'm almost positive that was cut out in syndication.

* Dereld talks about his decision to take Gerri off life support and having to go home and tell her daughters about their mother's death. He also talks about tracking down the man Gerri said was her father, but that the man said he had no daughters and had never heard of Georgia Boyd. There was also no record of Gerri in the Cherokee Nation, of which she said she had partial heritage.

* Obviously, since the case was solved, Lifetime cut out some of Georgia's stats. She was supposedly born on January 20, 1956 and mentioned family ties to Jacksonville, FL and Atlanta, GA. The photo seen on the broadcast was said to be the only known picture of her face.

* RS stated that her oldest daughter Sally had just given birth to a baby girl. The child had a medical problem that doctor's couldn't diagnose. They were hoping that in finding Georgia's family they would be able to ascertain family medical history that would help.

Wow. That's a lot of cuts.

But regardless of the cuts, that segment still annoys me over how Unsolved Mysteries handled the "update." Even as a kid, there were so many things I wanted to know. Like who were those men chasing her in the car and WHY were they chasing her? Why did they stalk her at night? And why did the entire town tell Derald to forget about his wife and leave town when he asked for information more about her? Even the TV station gave him that reply when he wanted to post her picture to be featured on the local news. What the hell?

UM chose to ignore that laundry list of items and instead turned it into a Lost Love reunion. Granted, I actually liked the reunions on this show. But in this instance, I was like... :confused:

Wow. That's a lot of cuts.

But regardless of the cuts, that segment still annoys me over how Unsolved Mysteries handled the "update." Even as a kid, there were so many things I wanted to know. Like who were those men chasing her in the car and WHY were they chasing her? Why did they stalk her at night? And why did the entire town tell Derald to forget about his wife and leave town when he asked for information more about her? Even the TV station gave him that reply when he wanted to post her picture to be featured on the local news. What the hell?

UM chose to ignore that laundry list of items and instead turned it into a Lost Love reunion. Granted, I actually liked the reunions on this show. But in this instance, I was like... :confused:

I agree. Interestingly, in one of the threads about the case on here, I believe one of Georgia's (whose real name was Edith Geraldine Johns-Moore) now-adult granddaughters posted that the family were just as mystified as we were. She said that no one in the family knew why Edith took off and created a new identity or who was stalking her. Sadly, I think that had she nt gotten sick and died, Dereld and the children would have eventually learned the truth.

I was always shocked that although she died at 22, she had six children! I always kind of wondered if she was a runaway or something, which perhaps led to pregnancies at a very young age.

Just found this one - In the episode about the New York coin scam, there is an additional scene showing the victim taking the coins to a dealer in the hope that they are worth something. A coin dealer is briefly interviewed and he reiterates that the coins are worthless and says that the scam will probably continue to work because, as P.T. Barnum says, "a sucker is born every minute".

I know this is a older thread, but they did not show this scene on Amazon.

I know this is a older thread, but they did not show this scene on Amazon.

I have a recording of the original airing and it's not there either. I believe the scene in question was only ever used in network repeat versions of this segment. A rare scene indeed.

Found another one today that I had no idea about. The Dan Short segment, when reaired on Lifetime, cut out portions of his friend's interview. They also completely removed the trucker eyewitness who says he saw a caravan of 3 vehicles traveling down a road, being lead by what looked to be Dan Short's pickup truck. He also claimed to have seen the same truck and driver a week prior to Dan's murder, and there was also a part of the segment that says the same truck was seen near Dan Short's house. I'm assuming Lifetime cut this out for 2 reasons: time constraints, and the fact that police determined that the truck seen by the trucker had nothing to do with Dan's murder.

Found another one today that I had no idea about. The Dan Short segment, when reaired on Lifetime, cut out portions of his friend's interview. They also completely removed the trucker eyewitness who says he saw a caravan of 3 vehicles traveling down a road, being lead by what looked to be Dan Short's pickup truck. He also claimed to have seen the same truck and driver a week prior to Dan's murder, and there was also a part of the segment that says the same truck was seen near Dan Short's house. I'm assuming Lifetime cut this out for 2 reasons: time constraints, and the fact that police determined that the truck seen by the trucker had nothing to do with Dan's murder.

That's the first time I've seen the NBC version too. I was surprised to see the "new" material.

After watching some segments on Amazon Prime:

Charles Morgan - Lifetime cut out two parts that cover the passage from Ecclesiastes, given to Ruth over the phone from 'Green Eyes.' The first part has Stack narrate it in part. Later, Ruth is shown reading her bible. She reads it, she mentions how that passage haunts her and after the many times she's read it, she cannot figure out what it means in regards to Chuck. Also cut from Lifetime is a part where Stack mentions that Arizona became a hotbed for organized crimes, money laundering and drug trafficking in the 1970's because of the climate and distance to Mexico.

Joe Weldon Smith - Lifetime made an abrupt cut towards the end to segway into the update. Joe is seen driving out of Vegas in his car with the license plate 'SMITTY2' and then Stack mentions how police were completely baffled by the lack of motive in these murders. By all accounts, the Smith marriage was happy. And even though he was having financial strains, Joe knew that he was not in his wife's will and there was no life insurance attached to Judith or her two daughters.

I feel like the Dennis Depue segment was whittled down from the original NBC version as well. It seems big chunks of interviews with friends and coworkers are cut. Additionally, there is a cut-away to RS reading portions of Dennis Depue's letter (including the infamous "an eye for an eye, a tooth for a tooth" line) that I assume didn't make it to re-airings since the case was solved within hours of the original broadcast and updated afterward with that quintessential Stack reading of the same portion of the letter. (Whereupon some show writer artfully added, At the time, Dennis Depue had no idea just how prophetic those words might be. As eerie as it is, this is probably one of my most favorite UM moments of all time.)

Several of the segments I had seen "uncut" before the Amazon streams and was pleased to see them there in their original forms, such as Harold and Thelma Swain, Son of Sam (both parts), Kevin Poulsen, John Branion, Louis Carlucci, Ann Sigmin, and Micki Jo West. Some I never realized until now had material missing, such as Joe Weldon Smith, Crystal Spencer, Angelo Desideri, and Dan Short (a LOT was cut from this one, which I kind of halfway suspected all these years but never really bothered to confirm). I love discovering this stuff, so I feel like each season is kind of like a birthday surprise on top of Christmas. :)

(Whereupon some show writer artfully added, At the time, Dennis Depue had no idea just how prophetic those words might be. As eerie as it is, this is probably one of my most favorite UM moments of all time.)



YES! I loved that line. That is how I will always remember that case. I loved the reenactment they included in the update, where 'Hank Queen' is hastily trying to scurry out of town with UM on the TV in the background.

YES! I loved that line. That is how I will always remember that case. I loved the reenactment they included in the update, where 'Hank Queen' is hastily trying to scurry out of town with UM on the TV in the background.

Something we've discussed in the past is how odd it was that the dialog on the television in the reenactment is clearly about the upcoming Depue segment, but the images are of Judy Himes!

I feel like the Dennis Depue segment was whittled down from the original NBC version as well. It seems big chunks of interviews with friends and coworkers are cut. Additionally, there is a cut-away to RS reading portions of Dennis Depue's letter (including the infamous "an eye for an eye, a tooth for a tooth" line) that I assume didn't make it to re-airings since the case was solved within hours of the original broadcast and updated afterward with that quintessential Stack reading of the same portion of the letter. (Whereupon some show writer artfully added, At the time, Dennis Depue had no idea just how prophetic those words might be. As eerie as it is, this is probably one of my most favorite UM moments of all time.)

For the most part, Lifetime didn't cut this one to shreds as badly as they did many others. I didn't notice any major differences other than what you mentioned plus some extra pictures of Dennis. (It seems in every picture, he either looks scary or half asleep.)

On a side note, I found both Marilyn and Dennis' obituaries online a few years ago. Coldwater is about a 90 minute drive from where I live but I was surprised to learn that Marilyn's funeral service took place in Dearborn, just several blocks from my own home! I've been to that same funeral home for many of my elderly relatives and friends over the years. :eek:

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On a side note, I found both Marilyn and Dennis' obituaries online a few years ago.

I just looked those up. They didn't mention that he was a killer, but they did mention that he enjoyed MSU sports.

Cold water isn't far from East Lansing.

There's also a big prison in Coldwater too

That's a really nice grave for someone who committed such a horrible act. It's obvious that someone cared about him greatly.

Also never realized the FBI agent interviewed in the Kevin Poulsen segment was also interviewed in the CW Roddy segment.

Detective Burau, who investigated Tim McClure, is definitely interviewed for another segment, though it was much later in the series based on the fact that he looked quite a bit older. It's driving me nuts because I can't remember which one. It would have to be a Nevada case obviously.

I just looked those up. They didn't mention that he was a killer, but they did mention that he enjoyed MSU sports.

I took a journalism writing course in college and I remember learning the proper way to write an obituary. The cause of death and any, um, unfortunate events in your life such as that are indeed, left out. It's basically a short write up of the good stuff, a shoutout to the relatives (both surviving and ones preceded in death) and details of where the funeral will be.

That whole pushing your ex down a flight of stairs, beating her in front of your children, shooting her in the back of the head and dumping her body to the side of the road remains the giant elephant in the room.

I took a journalism writing course in college and I remember learning the proper way to write an obituary. The cause of death and any, um, unfortunate events in your life such as that are indeed, left out. It's basically a short write up of the good stuff, a shoutout to the relatives (both surviving and ones preceded in death) and details of where the funeral will be.

One does not need to take a journalism writing class in college to know that obituaries do not contain what crimes the deceased may have committed while wreaking havoc while alive.

I took a journalism writing course in college and I remember learning the proper way to write an obituary. The cause of death and any, um, unfortunate events in your life such as that are indeed, left out. It's basically a short write up of the good stuff, a shoutout to the relatives (both surviving and ones preceded in death) and details of where the funeral will be.

That whole pushing your ex down a flight of stairs, beating her in front of your children, shooting her in the back of the head and dumping her body to the side of the road remains the giant elephant in the room.

Didn't he shoot at the cops as well? Maybe I misremembered that, as Roger Clemens would say.

I thought the cruelest thing he did, aside from the murder, was telling his kids he was taking her to the hospital before he shot her. So they lived with that false hope until they found out the truth.

One does not need to take a journalism writing class in college to know that obituaries do not contain what crimes the deceased may have committed while wreaking havoc while alive.

Yeah I realize that does not happen. It is not always easy to convey sarcasm on the internet

I took a journalism writing course in college and I remember learning the proper way to write an obituary. The cause of death and any, um, unfortunate events in your life such as that are indeed, left out. It's basically a short write up of the good stuff, a shoutout to the relatives (both surviving and ones preceded in death) and details of where the funeral will be.

That whole pushing your ex down a flight of stairs, beating her in front of your children, shooting her in the back of the head and dumping her body to the side of the road remains the giant elephant in the room.

Interesting, dynoguy. I guess I was unaware there is indeed a formal way to write obituaries. I assumed they were all sort of in the realm of Emily Post rather than professional journalism. Learn something new everyday.

One does not need to take a journalism writing class in college to know that obituaries do not contain what crimes the deceased may have committed while wreaking havoc while alive.

Well, us simpletons need to learn things too. We can't all be super geniuses at birth and constantly remind the rest of the world how dumb they are like you do.

It was one assignment in a course that turned out to be far more interesting than I originally expected. It's just a shame you weren't around to teach it so I could marvel at your knowledge and intelligence in person.

It's just a shame you weren't around to teach it so I could marvel at your knowledge and intelligence in person.

The 2 guys that work for ME at MY detective agency would probably echo what you said there. I enjoy bringing new people into the industry and teaching what I can to honest, hard working people. But make no mistake, it's my way or the highway. I don't tolerate attitude or dissent when it's my show and I'm running said show.

It was one assignment in a course that turned out to be far more interesting than I originally expected.

I think your one assignment in a journalism course years ago is far more interesting than at least one thing that's been mentioned in this thread.

Detective Burau, who investigated Tim McClure, is definitely interviewed for another segment, though it was much later in the series based on the fact that he looked quite a bit older. It's driving me nuts because I can't remember which one. It would have to be a Nevada case obviously.

That was Natasha Jennings. He might have been on the Star Palumbo segment too.

That was Natasha Jennings. He might have been on the Star Palumbo segment too.

Thank you! It's a shame he never could get a strong enough case against McClure to keep him in prison. It was clear how badly he wanted that.

I actually didn't know that little tidbit regarding etiquette in obituaries, either, Dynoguy.

Although I will say that I've seen a few obituaries that break with tradition and are very awkward roasts of the deceased, be it because they were terrible parents or alcoholics or whathaveyou. Entertaining to read, but awkward as all get out.

Didn't he shoot at the cops as well? Maybe I misremembered that, as Roger Clemens would say.

I thought the cruelest thing he did, aside from the murder, was telling his kids he was taking her to the hospital before he shot her. So they lived with that false hope until they found out the truth.

You're not misremembering. Two shots through his windshield and one out an open window before he turned the gun on himself. UM showed a close-up of the holes in his windshield as Stack was talking about it.

Jack Brown - Lifetime cut out the entire interview with the Vice President of the realty office. He mentioned there was nothing in Jack's background, that he knew of, that would make him a target for murder. He was standing several feet from the gunman when Jack was killed and relayed the exchange...

"You think you're smart, don't you?"

"Well...maybe."

As the gunmen were marching him and the secretaries down the hallway, he said he was sure the rest of them were now going to be killed because they were witnesses to a murder. But they were locked in the bathroom instead. It's also interesting to note that the Vice President portrayed himself in the reenactment. That had to be surreal to recreate a moment where you're certain you're about to be killed.

Lifetime also cut out a short part that mentioned the same day Jack was murdered, a major drug bust occurred in the area, triggered by an anonoymous informant. 'Could there have been a connection?' Stack asks.

They show a newspaper article but the camera doesn't zoom in close enough to make out what it says.

Dynoguy- Jack Brown's office is right on Michigan Ave, near EMU business school, correct? Sort of by Ypsilanti Pd?

Dynoguy- Jack Brown's office is right on Michigan Ave, near EMU business school, correct? Sort of by Ypsilanti Pd?

Yes. Just two blocks from EMU's main campus. I've driven past it several times.

I went to EMU business school for a while and drove by it everytime. Took me forever to remember why it was so familiar.

Ypsilanti PD is as useless as tits on a boar. The totally bungled my friend, Julia Niswender's homicide a few years ago

I actually didn't know that little tidbit regarding etiquette in obituaries, either, Dynoguy.

Although I will say that I've seen a few obituaries that break with tradition and are very awkward roasts of the deceased, be it because they were terrible parents or alcoholics or whathaveyou. Entertaining to read, but awkward as all get out.

There are multiple sources of obituaries. I have a print journalism degree. The type dynoguy is referring to are the formal ones, the traditional type written by someone associated with the newspaper or another media outlet. Those indeed are supposed to be brief and positive. They are printed in the standard obituary section.

However, if it is a prominent person and the description of life/death warrants more of a news story than simply an obituary, then those stories can include all of the major details, no matter how positive or negative or controversial. Those articles aren't technically the obituary but due to the fame of the individual they can swamp the more formal variety. Many obituaries for famous persons are written well ahead of time and kept on file, then updated with the late specifics. That is particularly true of elderly persons of fame.

Then there is the third type of obituary, which is probably what LooksLikeCRicci is referring to. They are the pay variety, written by the family (sometimes a friend) and almost anything goes. With newspapers losing revenue in this digital age more and more of them are offering and even encouraging the families to write obituaries and submit them, no matter the length. The pay scale is by the word and it is not cheap. My father wrote a fantastic obituary for my mother and it cost upwards of $2000 to print. Then I did a lengthy one when my father died and it was a similar amount. Most surviving newspapers nowadays have an online version. The print obituary is posted online but normally it will not remain there unless a subsequent fee is paid to keep it there for a specific period, or permanently if you pay a greater sum. Obviously this varies from paper to paper. Some smaller papers still allow families to submit obituaries for free, but that is increasingly rare.

Nyleen Kay Marshall - At the end of the segment RS mentions that in the letters from the person who possibly abducted her he mentions that his parents and sister were killed in an auto accident when the sister was 9.

I watched this last night on Amazon Prime. In addition to the letter writer saying his parents and sister were killed in an auto accident, RS mentions that the writer prefers to call Nyleen by her middle name, Kay.

There's also one more line of the letter that wasn't visible in the Lifetime segment. It mentions that pizza is one of her favorite meals.

Shane Stewart and Sally McNelley:

Watched this on AP and...yikes! This is yet another segment Lifetime cut to shreds. The stuff they left out:

1. When Shane and Sally first turned up missing and Shane's car was found abandonned, the police originally suspected the two had run off and gotten married. (A very stupid theory if you ask me. Why would they run off, elope but leave their car behind?). The parents never bought this theory.

2. Four months later, two sets of skeletons were found 17 miles away. Shane's father heard of the discovery of the bones on his police scanner and immediately drove out there where he was told by police that the remains were indeed Shane and Sally. When he looked at the remains, he said he could tell which skeleton was Shane because the clothes on it were the exact ones he was wearing the last time he saw him. He said he kneeled on the ground and tearfully said, "we've finally found you and we're taking you home."

3. After Sally's mother caught her sneaking back into the house one night, Sally wouldn't tell her where she had gone to. So her mother called the mother of one of Sally's friends and was told that the kids were mixed up in satantic worship. The friend's mother had mentioned that she saw the group of kids at her house and they claimed that they had caught a demon in a bottle.

4. During the four months the kids had been missing, Shane's father constantly searched the lakeside and questioned people he thought might have info on Shane's disappearance. On one occasion, he confronted one of the youth who was in the cult and noticed he had huge bruises on his face. Shane had mentioned to his father before that this boy and he were enemies, that they completely hated each other and if there was ever a confrontation between the two, there would be a HUGE fight. The boy said the bruises on his face were not from a fight and that he just cut himself. Shane's father didn't believe him.

5. Shane's father theorized that Shane and Sally were probably listening to music together after the fireworks when they were confronted by their former friends from the cult and there's a reenactment of the two being forced into a pickup truck at gunpoint.

6. A sheriff said the cult members will remain suspects until the murders are solved but they don't have enough information to present in front of a grand jury...despite the fact that Sally told a police officer and her friend Helen that she was afraid the cult members were going to kill her.

Shane Stewart and Sally McNelley:
3. After Sally's mother caught her sneaking back into the house one night, Sally wouldn't tell her where she had gone to. So her mother called the mother of one of Sally's friends and was told that the kids were mixed up in satantic worship. The friend's mother had mentioned that she saw the group of kids at her house and they claimed that they had caught a demon in a bottle.


The Lifetime cut has the scene where she sneaks back into the house and is confronted by her mother. Don't see anything about a demon in the bottle tho.

Harold and Thelma Swain - They cut the part out about the suspect being picked out of a lineup of people, if I recall correctly.

The Zelinskis I just noticed the part where Sharon is dancing with the doll before she gets sent back. They also mentioned her second child was killed by a relative.

Does anyone know where I can find the Todd McAfee episode since it hasn't been shown since NBC?

So lets talk season 5. Anything new?

So lets talk season 5. Anything new?

I'm only a few episodes in but so far, nothing has jumped out at me yet.

So lets talk season 5. Anything new?

So far, all I've seen are a few minor cuts in the Judi Davis/Beck Terry lost love case. Judi mentions that after they first met, Becky remained the only kid in the school who was nice to her for a long time. The rest of the kids continued to look at her like she was an alien from outer space. Lifetime cut that entire part out.

For some reason, they didn't include their face to face reunion or their telephone reunion which was live from the telecenter.

There's a lot of stuff I didn't remember in the Roger Roxas segment, like the backstory on his friend with the map. Also, the Chad Langford segment was much longer than I remember too.

looks like while most of the segments are uncut the NBC versions might have some more material in some cases

-in the Keith Reinhard segment, there is no part where it is mentioned Keith spoke to a lady before his disappearance
-in the Adam Hecht segment there is no line where it is said that Adam's brother asked Tony where Adam was and Tony said look in the streets and you will know what happened.

the Lisa Ziegert segment in Season 6 has some more interviews with some students that I never saw in the version I watched on Youtube