View Full Version : Was Dark shadows copying Twilight Zone with actor Mitch Ryan?
Best Man 02-25-2008, 10:06 PM Admit it. Ryan (Burke Devlin #1) does look like TZ creator Rod Serling an awful lot--no? Yes! I wonder if Serling saw early DS and was scared by the resemblance. Did Serling even attempt to take Dan Curtis to court over this?
Zoneboy 02-25-2008, 10:12 PM Admit it. Ryan (Burke Devlin #1) does look like TZ creator Rod Serling an awful lot--no? Yes! I wonder if Serling show early DS and was scared by the resemblance. Did Serling even attempt to take Dan Curtis to court over this!
You can't be serious, I like both shows but Rod Serling wouldn't have a leg to stand on if he tried to take Dan Curtis to court over Mitchell Ryan/Burke Devlin bearing any kind of resemblance to him. Apparently you've never noticed the fine print during the credits of many shows that states:
Any resemblance to any persons living or dead is purely coincidental. I'm not sure if this is the correct wording but I'm reasonably close if not.
http://images3.wikia.nocookie.net/darkshadows/images/thumb/1/1e/BurkeDevlin.jpg/180px-BurkeDevlin.jpghttp://members.aol.com/%20radiodrama/serlingtwo.jpg
Mr. Television 02-25-2008, 11:10 PM :lol:
Ireneparalegal 02-25-2008, 11:55 PM :rofl: Take him to court over looking like him? OMG :brent
Zoneboy 02-26-2008, 12:30 AM :rofl: Take him to court over looking like him? OMG :brent
I agree, Serling was a genius who wouldn't have wasted his time with such crap.
Zoneboy 02-26-2008, 12:34 AM I wonder if Serling saw early DS and was scared by the resemblance.
I wish Rod were still alive so he could read this. From what I've heard about him, He always enjoyed a good joke. :lol:
Ireneparalegal 02-26-2008, 12:50 AM :lol: I am with you on that Charles.
Ireneparalegal 02-29-2008, 09:46 PM I agree, Serling was a genius who wouldn't have wasted his time with such crap.
Not to mention he would have been laughed out of court over something so stupid. :lol:
"But your honor, the resemblance is uncanny. DO SOMETHING ABOUT IT!! It should be outlawed to have been born and to resemble someone else." :lol:
Best Man 03-01-2008, 05:10 PM Zone boy I am not even reading anything you have to say! I put my hand so all I saw was who posted right under mine and I see it was by you! You are now my enemy!
For anyone eplse I once saw an ad that had a model who looked like Jackie Kennedy Onassis and the real Jackie O took them to court over it! Resemblances are dangerous (especially since TZ and Dark Shadows were both hoirror shows) and lawsuits can be attempted!
Best Man 03-01-2008, 05:11 PM TJ, please ask these trolls of Irene paralegal and Zoneboy to please stop following me!
Ireneparalegal 03-01-2008, 05:16 PM Zone boy I am not even reading anything you have to say! I put my hand so all I saw was who posted right under mine and I see it was by you! You are now my enemy!
For anyone eplse I once saw an ad that had a model who looked like Jackie Kennedy Onassis and the real Jackie O took them to court over it! Resemblances are dangerous (especially since TZ and Dark Shadows were both hoirror shows) and lawsuits can be attempted!
Can you provide a link for this supposed lawsuit of Jackie Kennedy suing? Or can you provide a court citation (example: Jacquelyn Kennedy Onassis v. _________ Civil action case number#_______) I would really be interested in seeing what legal action was used to sue another for copying her likeness. Can you provide that information, as I am having trouble finding any such case in the legal forums.
I simply ask because there are examples where one can sue another for copyright infringement of a likeness, for example the estate of Marilyn Monroe has the rights to say where and when the likeness of Marilyn can be used.
What you are saying in this thread is that one man resembles another man and the simple fact they both happen to be on t.v. gives one man the right to sue the other simply for looking like him? Not at all legally possible. There is no infringement whatsoever or any civil statute that would allow him to do that. That would be like the actor who played SPIDERMAN suing Adam West for playing BATMAN because Adam is playing a superhero and wearing a costume and climbing walls.
You are making a claim that doesn't exist. Just merely trying to enlighten you on that.
Zoneboy 03-01-2008, 06:28 PM TZ and Dark Shadows were both hoirror shows
I hate to burst your bubble but The Twilight Zone wasn't a horror series, It was classified as an anthology. It did have some elements of fright I suppose but nothing that I would consider horror unless of course you're petrified of gremlins on wings or 9ft tall aliens who need their own show on the Food Network. :lol:
there goes this so called "bestman" using the word "scare" or "afraid" in reference to a DS character/actor compared to anyone else.
please tell me what your problem is.
"Troll"....dang boy, first dog to bark is usually the guilty one. you must tbe the troll here. Zone and Irene are not trolls.
BTW..your topic is ridiculous. no wonder you post under a pseudonym. at least i use my initials. i'd be embarrassed if anyone knew i was making these ridiculous posts, too like you are.
Best Man 03-19-2008, 07:53 PM You can't be serious, I like both shows but Rod Serling wouldn't have a leg to stand on if he tried to take Dan Curtis to court over Mitchell Ryan/Burke Devlin bearing any kind of resemblance to him. Apparently you've never noticed the fine print during the credits of many shows that states:
Any resemblance to any persons living or dead is purely coincidental. I'm not sure if this is the correct wording but I'm reasonably close if not.
http://images3.wikia.nocookie.net/darkshadows/images/thumb/1/1e/BurkeDevlin.jpg/180px-BurkeDevlin.jpghttp://members.aol.com/%20radiodrama/serlingtwo.jpg
I made an exception and read the troll postings (Ryan can look more like Serling than those two photos suggest if Ryan narrows his eyes). If you go to google and type in this quote from an old 1984 Time magazine article you'll see what I mean the quote is: "model Barbara Reynolds, who looks an awful lot like Jacqueline Kennedy Onassis" and you'll see a link showing the trouble the admakers got into for putting in a Jacki O lookalike in their ad! The ad was a Christian Dior ad and the judge voted in Jackie O's favor!
Best Man 03-19-2008, 08:00 PM I hate to burst your bubble but The Twilight Zone wasn't a horror series, It was classified as an anthology. It did have some elements of fright I suppose but nothing that I would consider horror unless of course you're petrified of gremlins on wings or 9ft tall aliens who need their own show on the Food Network. :lol:
A horror series can be an anthology!
Zoneboy 03-19-2008, 08:02 PM I made an exception and read the troll postings.
http://enigma.dune.net/~eric/Do-not-feed-the-troll.PNG
Best Man 03-19-2008, 08:02 PM there goes this so called "bestman" using the word "scare" or "afraid" in reference to a DS character/actor compared to anyone else.
please tell me what your problem is.
"Troll"....dang boy, first dog to bark is usually the guilty one. you must tbe the troll here. Zone and Irene are not trolls.
BTW..your topic is ridiculous. no wonder you post under a pseudonym. at least i use my initials. i'd be embarrassed if anyone knew i was making these ridiculous posts, too like you are.
Bry they are following me. That is trollish behavior!
Best Man 03-19-2008, 08:18 PM I hate to burst your bubble but The Twilight Zone wasn't a horror series, It was classified as an anthology. It did have some elements of fright I suppose but nothing that I would consider horror unless of course you're petrified of gremlins on wings or 9ft tall aliens who need their own show on the Food Network. :lol:
TZ had creepier eps than those mentioned like The New Exhibit (about Jack the Ripper coming to life) and Elegy (about the planet of dead people). And quite a few more! And An Occurence at Owl creek bridge was pretty chilling too!
Zoneboy 03-19-2008, 08:20 PM TZ had creepier eps than those mentioned like The New Exhibit (about Jack the Ripper coming to life) and Elegy (about the planet of dead people). And quite a few more! And An Occurence at Owl creek bridge was pretty chilling too!
At last you and I agree on something especially with The New Exhibit.
Ireneparalegal 03-19-2008, 08:44 PM I made an exception and read the troll postings (Ryan can look more like Serling than those two photos suggest if Ryan narrows his eyes). If you go to google and type in this quote from an old 1984 Time magazine article you'll see what I mean the quote is: "model Barbara Reynolds, who looks an awful lot like Jacqueline Kennedy Onassis" and you'll see a link showing the trouble the admakers got into for putting in a Jacki O lookalike in their ad! The ad was a Christian Dior ad and the judge voted in Jackie O's favor!
The AD MAKERS were sued, not the model herself. :rolleyes: That is a HUGE DIFFERENCE legal-wise. You implied that one actor should sue another actor because he resembles another...something to that effect. However, the example you gave is a poor example. The model was not sued for resembling another famous human being. ANY COURT WOULD LAUGH AND THROW THAT CASE RIGHT OUT.
I knew I was right. You gave no legal cite to support your "argument" that one human being sued another for looking like them. :rolleyes: :crazy:
Also, your definition of TROLLS is not accurate either. ;)
Best Man 03-22-2008, 02:16 PM The AD MAKERS were sued, not the model herself. :rolleyes: That is a HUGE DIFFERENCE legal-wise. You implied that one actor should sue another actor because he resembles another...something to that effect. However, the example you gave is a poor example. The model was not sued for resembling another famous human being. ANY COURT WOULD LAUGH AND THROW THAT CASE RIGHT OUT.
I knew I was right. You gave no legal cite to support your "argument" that one human being sued another for looking like them. :rolleyes: :crazy:
Also, your definition of TROLLS is not accurate either. ;)
Irene, if you go back to my original thread you'll see I mentioned Serling possibly taking producer Dan Curtis to court not him (Serling) taking Mitch Ryan himself to court!
Ireneparalegal 03-22-2008, 02:25 PM Admit it. Ryan (Burke Devlin #1) does look like TZ creator Rod Serling an awful lot--no? Yes! I wonder if Serling saw early DS and was scared by the resemblance. Did Serling even attempt to take Dan Curtis to court over this?
No, that is not what you said. Right above it says DID SERLING EVEN ATTEMPT TO TAKE DAN CURTIS TO COURT OVER THIS? So you are asking if an attempt was made. No, an attempt was not made because there was no legal reason to. It would be different if one show sued another show because they were too similar in many aspects (not just one) and it was infringing upon their show, but this was not the case.
Mr. Television 03-22-2008, 04:46 PM This thread is very entertaining. :rofl:
Ireneparalegal 03-22-2008, 05:00 PM This thread is very entertaining. :rofl:
It is isn't it? :lol: Charles' pic above had me :rofl:
Best Man 03-26-2008, 04:09 PM No, that is not what you said. Right above it says DID SERLING EVEN ATTEMPT TO TAKE DAN CURTIS TO COURT OVER THIS? So you are asking if an attempt was made. No, an attempt was not made because there was no legal reason to. It would be different if one show sued another show because they were too similar in many aspects (not just one) and it was infringing upon their show, but this was not the case. Irene! Did you see the ep about the robot servants starring comely Inger Stevens! It looked a lot like Dark Shadows (and not solely because it was shot on videotape). TZ was similar to DS in more than one way! And there is no way to know if Dan Curtis settled out of court with Serling over this or not! And you didn't acknowledge your error on this board in wrongly thinking I was suggesting Serling sue Mitch Ryan!
Ireneparalegal 03-26-2008, 04:15 PM Irene! Did you see the ep about the robot servants starring comely Inger Stevens! It looked a lot like Dark Shadows (and not solely because it was shot on videotape). TZ was similar to DS in more than one way! And there is no way to know if Dan Curtis settled out of court with Serling over this or not! And you didn't acknowledge your error on this board in wrongly thinking I was suggesting Serling sue Mitch Ryan!
Even if something were settled out of court, there would be some record of it EVER GOING TO COURT. All court records are public records. You are then stating this matter DID GO TO COURT? There was an actual lawsuit over the likeness or infringement of the show?
How can I acknowledge an error on my part when you have yet to state whether there was an actual court case on this matter? First you state he should have sued, now you are stating, he did sue and won an out of court settlement? Where is the legal citation for this case?
Ireneparalegal 03-26-2008, 04:24 PM Did Serling even attempt to take Dan Curtis to court over this?
The only thing that may be correct is that Mr. Ryan does resemble Mr. Serling a tad bit, but other than that, no.
And there is your comment right there where it asks, Did Serling ATTEMPT to take Dan Curtis to court over this?
You are asking a question and you have been told the answer: NO. It never happened because there is no legal cause to have done so. Besides, I don't think anyone cared really. TV shows copy each other all the time, that is the way tv is done when creative ideas run short.
Best Man 03-26-2008, 04:39 PM A TZ ep called Elegy featured Cecil Kellaway. My sister watched Elegy with me and asked me if the guy was W.C. Fields! I gues he did look like Fields to some degree but Kellaway played a different character in Elegy than Fields was known for. But how would it be if Fields had still been alive in 1960 when Elegy was on and Kellaway imitated him in the ep! lawsuit time!
Ireneparalegal 03-26-2008, 04:40 PM :rofl: I give up. Because someone imitates someone or looks like them you seriously think they should sue? Oy vey. The lawyers I have worked with would laugh at these statements by you.
people weren't "sue happy" in 1960 like they are now anyways.
NO. mitchell ryan DOES NOT look like rod serling to any degree. how many dark haired men do you think were around in the "50's and '60's? tons of them.
being as i have made up a bunch of stupid suggestions on these threads like the ones you have, does that mean you are going to sue me for making up crap that resembles your crap?
Ireneparalegal 03-29-2008, 03:41 PM You are correct on that bry, people were not all about suing one another, especially for things that are frivolous. And again, what possible reason (a legal reason mind you) would someone sue? Best Man makes it seem like someone can just walk into a courthouse and file papers to sue by stating on the documents: TV SHOW IS COPYING ANOTHER TV SHOW. :rofl: :rofl:
On what legal grounds would Serling use to sue Dan Curtis? Punitive damages? :rofl: Copyright Infringement? :rofl: No infringement whatsoever. NONE. There isn't any and I don't think it ever crossed Serling's mind to do so. Pure and simple. Although nothing is pure and simple to Best Man other than in his mind he thinks one can sue anyone for anything. :rolleyes:
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