FM had so many Fun episodes to watch from start to finish. You saw the kids at other places instead of just inside the house. You saw them at school, the Mall, and theme parks. The Grandparent was more of a minor character and not used heavily. There was never a episode that revolved around RICHIE like how the Cosby Show had eps revolved around RUDY and OLIVA

How many times did we see the Huxtable Kids at the mall? At school? I can only count 1 for each and for the most part everything was at the home. The huxtable family also never had any christmas eps.



So who else agrees that Family Matters was much better than the Cosby show?

I definitely agree!

FM also isn't bowed down to as this incredible, life-changing experience that saved people from suicide, ended holy wars, prevented teenage pregnancy, caused the divorce rate to decrease, and made crime virtually non-existent for 30 minutes every Thursday night.

I never heard of the Cosby Show as being this holier than thou show or saving people from suicide, ended any wars, etc. :lol:

Comparing the Cosby Show and Family Matters is funny. They were two different shows. The only thing they had in common was the fact the familes happened to be black.

But if you feel the need to compare, then I couldn't decide which is better or funnier. They each had their moments and their weak characters that we could have done without.

I think as a whole FM was a funnier show. TCS got into preachiness a lot during the later seasons. FM just made me laugh. :lol:

TCS is a lot more rewatchable to me these days than FM.

I never heard of the Cosby Show as being this holier than thou show or saving people from suicide, ended any wars, etc. :lol:

Comparing the Cosby Show and Family Matters is funny. They were two different shows. The only thing they had in common was the fact the familes happened to be black.

But if you feel the need to compare, then I couldn't decide which is better or funnier. They each had their moments and their weak characters that we could have done without.


FM was just more out of the house. Not just in the house all the time. You never saw any of the huxtables kids on the subway like you did the winslows. FM was just a all around fun show to watch.

TCS is a lot more rewatchable to me these days than FM.


Why?

Why?
I just can't get a lot of into FM anymore, many of the episodes are too bizarre for my tastes now, though IMO the beginning of the run was pretty good before Urkel took over. It's one of those shows I loved as a kid but don't care for as an adult.

I will say one thing though, I prefer Harriette Winslow over Clair Huxtable

I just can't get a lot of into FM anymore, many of the episodes are too bizarre for my tastes now, though IMO the beginning of the run was pretty good before Urkel took over. It's one of those shows I loved as a kid but don't care for as an adult.

I will say one thing though, I prefer Harriette Winslow over Clair Huxtable
I agree with all the above. FM was best before it became The Urkel Show. It was Happy Days all over again

Well I know the cosby show didn't have any buffoons like waldo and urkel but the other regulars on family matters balanced out their wackiness like Laura, and eddie.

True, but Urkel basically took over Family Matters tho it seemed. Hell, a lot of people generally referred to the show as "Urkel" back in the 90's.

I thought he was amusing the first two or three seasons, and then the show became Urkel Urkel Urkel and started getting over the top.

Both shows were equally funny. I think Irene said it best in her post - it's one of those things you just can't make a decision on.

Although, if anything, I'd probably say The Cosby Show was funnier. It didn't rely on "stupid" humor, which Family Matters often did a lot.

I just can't get a lot of into FM anymore, many of the episodes are too bizarre for my tastes now, though IMO the beginning of the run was pretty good before Urkel took over. It's one of those shows I loved as a kid but don't care for as an adult.

I will say one thing though, I prefer Harriette Winslow over Clair Huxtable
I can relate to that. I loved FM during its first run, but I just can't get into it in syndication. I have seen it here and there, but not actually watch the whole thing all the way through. It had its moment back then for me, but not now. Same thing with Fresh Prince. It just doesn't have the quality of watching it over and over again. I can watch Good Times, The Jeffersons, I Love Lucy and Roseanne over and over, it never gets old for me. FP and FM are two shows that I can't get into anymore. It was great ONCE, but more than that is too much. Urkel ruined it for me.

I like FM better, but only until season 5 where it became the Urel show. You know FM kids were suppose to be loosly based on TSC, Eddie was based on Theo. Laura on Vanessa. And Judy on Rudy.

Both shows were equally funny. I think Irene said it best in her post - it's one of those things you just can't make a decision on.

Although, if anything, I'd probably say The Cosby Show was funnier. It didn't rely on "stupid" humor, which Family Matters often did a lot.



I just wish the Huxtable kids were used like the Winslows kids, seeing them at the Movies, The Mall, Schoolyard, Friends house, and Sporting events. 90% of the time when we saw the huxtable kids they were in that house or in the backyard-lol

I like FM better, but only until season 5 where it became the Urel show. You know FM kids were suppose to be loosly based on TSC, Eddie was based on Theo. Laura on Vanessa. And Judy on Rudy.


That was another good thing about FM, the small kids had SMALL ROLES!!!!!!!-lol

I just wish the Huxtable kids were used like the Winslows kids, seeing them at the Movies, The Mall, Schoolyard, Friends house, and Sporting events. 90% of the time when we saw the huxtable kids they were in that house or in the backyard-lol

I agree about that. I did like how the kids, especially Laura, Steve, and Maxine, were used more often than the parents in a lot of the episodes. I always enjoyed the school scenes. On The Cosby Show, you could tell is was Bill's show, which is why the kids were barely seen at all in many episodes.

I agree about that. I did like how the kids, especially Laura, Steve, and Maxine, were used more often than the parents in a lot of the episodes. I always enjoyed the school scenes. On The Cosby Show, you could tell is was Bill's show, which is why the kids were barely seen at all in many episodes.


Damm I'm so mad I have to wait until June to watch FM-lol The person on FM who decided to get rid of Judy was a GENIUS!!!!-lol

Damm I'm so mad I have to wait until June to watch FM-lol The person on FM who decided to get rid of Judy was a GENIUS!!!!-lol

Judy could go down as televison's most boring character by far. Did she ever speak in the show at all? It seems everytime we saw her, she was sitting in the background, and that was it.

I don't understand why wait til June when they get the show in March. Makes no sense to me at all.

Judy could go down as televison's most boring character by far. Did she ever speak in the show at all? It seems everytime we saw her, she was sitting in the background, and that was it.

I don't understand why wait til June when they get the show in March. Makes no sense to me at all.


I guess they realized she waasn't being used and was nothing more than a stage prop with Hair-LOL-LOL

And Judy on Rudy.
Who's Judy? :rotflmao:

I like Family Matters much better than The Cosby Show. I liked all the characters better. Carl and Harriet are among my favorite all time favorite sitcom couples (not my #1 though). Family Matters did become the Urkel show after a few years, but I still enjoyed that way better than the last 2 or so seasons of The Cosby Show...when it became the Pam and Olivia series (though FM wasn't always wise with their later casting choices either - Harriet #2 and 3J anyone?).

Family Matters was a huge part of my life growing up, so I guess it will always be a little special to me, no matter how corny and cheesy the show was/is.

FM also isn't bowed down to as this incredible, life-changing experience that saved people from suicide, ended holy wars, prevented teenage pregnancy, caused the divorce rate to decrease, and made crime virtually non-existent for 30 minutes every Thursday night.

while I prefer TCS to FM, I agree with that. I think it's funny that people act like Cosby was this life-changing experience. It was a good family program and had a great cast, but if the family wasn't African-American, I doubt it would be lauded as this groundbreaking show. I mean, I think Family Ties hit a lot of touchier subjects during it's run and made the audience think more. Hell, Roseanne was made by the same people and I'd also say there's no doubt that Roseanne was more groundbreaking and broke more rules than Cosby ever did.

I watched Cosby since it premiered when I was five, but I do think sometimes people overrate it's presence. It was a "right show at the right time" case and was lightning striking and stars aligning at the right time. I thought there were better 1980's shows back then, and I still do now. Cosby was just the right show at the right time.

Judy could go down as televison's most boring character by far. Did she ever speak in the show at all? It seems everytime we saw her, she was sitting in the background, and that was it.

Woah, woah! Do not diss Judy! It wasn't her fault that the producers were jerks! They refused to give her a bigger role, when her mom asked if Judy would get a bigger role they told her "When pigs fly"! Then her family ran out of money! They really were heart-less, Judy had so much potential. She was a big character in season 1 & 2! She had lines, and was part of the plot for most season one episodes, and she had a few plots of her own in season two.

Who's Judy? :rotflmao:
You're kidding right?!

Woah, woah! Do not diss Judy! It wasn't her fault that the producers were jerks! They refused to give her a bigger role, when her mom asked if Judy would get a bigger role they told her "When pigs fly"! Then her family ran out of money! They really were heart-less, Judy had so much potential. She was a big character in season 1 & 2! She had lines, and was part of the plot for most season one episodes, and she had a few plots of her own in season two.


You're kidding right?!



Judy was too young and needed to GO!

Judy should've returned in the last episode as a newlywed who just got married to a much older white man... Chuck Cunningham

Judy could go down as televison's most boring character by far. Did she ever speak in the show at all? It seems everytime we saw her, she was sitting in the background, and that was it.

I don't understand why wait til June when they get the show in March. Makes no sense to me at all.


It must have rubbed off on her as an adult because when I tune in to see her on that celebrity drug rehab show she hardly says anything at all.

You're kidding right?!
I was being sarcastic....I meant "Who's Judy?" as in "I don't recall that character...Ohhh wait, her!" LOL

It must have rubbed off on her as an adult because when I tune in to see her on that celebrity drug rehab show she hardly says anything at all.
:lol: I never thought of that while watching that show.

And here we go again with the whole it was the producers fault that Judy wasn't used more. Why was Jaimee owed ANYTHING MORE THAN ANYONE ELSE ON THAT SHOW? She was mistakenly brought on as a character, they did nothing with her and just like many actors/actresses, she was let go. It happens in Hollywood. The producers didn't owe her a damn thing just because she was a child and they most certainly didn't owe her more work because her family screwed up themselves financially. That is not the producers problem, that is HER FAMILY'S PROBLEM if they can't handle their financial affairs. :rolleyes:

I'm sorry what happened to Jaimee Foxworth but Judy was one of the most boring characters in sitcom history. She makes Stephan look like he has a personality by comparrison. :lol:

:lol: I never thought of that while watching that show.

And here we go again with the whole it was the producers fault that Judy wasn't used more. Why was Jaimee owed ANYTHING MORE THAN ANYONE ELSE ON THAT SHOW? She was mistakenly brought on as a character, they did nothing with her and just like many actors/actresses, she was let go. It happens in Hollywood. The producers didn't owe her a damn thing just because she was a child and they most certainly didn't owe her more work because her family screwed up themselves financially. That is not the producers problem, that is HER FAMILY'S PROBLEM if they can't handle their financial affairs. :rolleyes:


I agree Irene, that's the nature of the business

Judy should've returned in the last episode as a newlywed who just got married to a much older white man... Chuck Cunningham
:rofl:

I agree Irene, that's the nature of the business
It certainly is. Jaimee didn't do well after that job loss and who can blame her when her own family used her earnings to get them out of a hole financially.

It must have rubbed off on her as an adult because when I tune in to see her on that celebrity drug rehab show she hardly says anything at all.

:lol:

rebafan, you've gotta be kidding me. I don't remember one episode with her in the main plot. I don't even remember her being in an entire scene, let alone say more than 1 line, if that, in an episode.

No wonder the producers didn't want her to get a bigger role - SHE WAS BORING for crying out loud!

And, her family didn't run out of money. From what I remember, her mom spent all her money and ended up bankrupt. Then we all know what happened to Jaimee after that.

FM had so many Fun episodes to watch from start to finish. You saw the kids at other places instead of just inside the house. You saw them at school, the Mall, and theme parks. The Grandparent was more of a minor character and not used heavily. There was never a episode that revolved around RICHIE like how the Cosby Show had eps revolved around RUDY and OLIVA

How many times did we see the Huxtable Kids at the mall? At school? I can only count 1 for each and for the most part everything was at the home. The huxtable family also never had any christmas eps.



So who else agrees that Family Matters was much better than the Cosby show?

I so gree with you! Family Matters is bette rbecause wee saw the at themeparks, at school, camps, the mall etc... And Steve, is so the best nerd Ive ever seen on TV/film. And great actors. Jaleel WHite is the most talented actor I've ever seen. He made everything look so real!! Actually, he made it real ;)

And there were scenes with many dates during the scenes. And during the seasons we saw the Steve, Laura and Eddie, plus their friends grew up from kisa, to teenagers, and to adults. How they changed, and everything. And their grandma was like a teenager. Well, it's hard to explain why its better than The Cosby show.

rebafan, you've gotta be kidding me. I don't remember one episode with her in the main plot. I don't even remember her being in an entire scene, let alone say more than 1 line, if that, in an episode.

No wonder the producers didn't want her to get a bigger role - SHE WAS BORING for crying out loud!

And, her family didn't run out of money. From what I remember, her mom spent all her money and ended up bankrupt. Then we all know what happened to Jaimee after that.
There is a discussion of this on a thread I made regarding Jaimee being on Celebrity Rehab.

It seems some people feel Jaimee was owed something from the show. I don't know why Jaimee is any different than any other actor, but this happens in the business as Solomon stated. As for her parents, they are the ones who OWED JAIMEE security, not some producer of a show.

well, I do feel sorry for Jaimee a bit. After all, the show was called FAMILY MATTERS yet Judy was fired to make room for more Urkel. I mean, while each Huxtable kid had their friends, you never saw them fire Tempestt Bledsoe so there could be more screentime for Kenny.

Exactly, Jaimee wasn't owed anything, but come on! She finally got her big break, and they decide to treat her like dirt! It ruined the shows continuity too, I mean that sort of made me like the show a LOT less. I can't really watch season 5-9, they weren't as good and not just because Judy left! And I'm not kidding that she had a plot! In Ice Station Winslow, she was upset that her mom was paying more attention to Richie then her. She had many lines in that episode. She's had plenty of lines, here are a few:
(From Two-Income Family)
Judy: Laura what's seven times nine?
Laura: Sixty-three.
Judy: Thanks!
(long pause)
Judy: Laura what's eight times nine?
Laura: Seventy-two.
(long pause)
Judy: Laura what's....
Laura: EIGHTY-ONE!!!

(From Short Story)
Judy: (While the family's complaing about how Rachel's book made them look stupid) What about me? You said I whine! (Whineing) I DON'T WHINE!

(From Rachel's First Date)
Eddie: (Guessing Alan's card, trying to distract him, while Rachel's getting ready for their date) Is it the Two of Clubs?
Judy: It's the eight of diamonds!
Alan: THAT'S IT!

(From Straight A's)
Eddie: (After Carl said a big word) What does that mean?
Judy: LOOK IT UP!

(From Body Damage)
Trying to distract Carl from seeing his damaged car)
Laura: Dad wait! My tonsils hurt.
Judy: Mine too!
Carl: Judy, you got your tonsils out four years ago.
Judy: Oh, I mean my feet.

(From The Quilt)
Laura: JUDY, YOU CAN'T QUIT! YOU HAVE TO WAVE THE CARS TO OUR HOUSE! HOW ELSE ARE THEY GONNA KNOW WHERE THE TAG SALE IS?
Judy: Look, I'm wet, I'm cold, and I'm cranky!
Laura: BUT...
Judy: DON'T MESS WITH ME!

(From Man's Best Friend, Not really what Judy said, but it's about her)
Carl: Edward get down here!
Eddie: Coming dad! (Pause) NO! DON'T DRINK OUTTA THE TOILET!
Carl: (Doesn't know they're hiding a dog from him) What was that about?
Harriet: Uhhhh.... It's Judy! I don't know what's gotten into her lately. I think I'm braiding her hair too tight!

(From Sitting Pretty)
Laura: (About her baby sitting service) I guess we can have them drop all of their kids here. I know it's just you and me Judy, but it's only gonna be 20 or 30 kids!
Judy: WE? I'm outta here!

Eddie: I'm still hot, right mom? (Harriet stares at him) Judy?
Judy: Eddie, GET A LIFE!

(From The Candidate)
Judy: (Practicing Math) 5x2 is 10. 5x3 is 15. 5x4 is 20.
Laura: Can you do that silently?
Judy: (Starts doing problems in her head) NO!

(From Torn Between Two Lovers)
Harriette: Better add zucchini to that shopping list.
Judy: (writing) Z-U-K
Harriet: Nope.
Judy: Z-O-O-K
Harriet: Uh uh.
Judy: Let's get corn instead.

(From Dog Day Halloween)
Harriet: Did you kids have fun trick-or-treatinng?
Judy:Yeah, we got a lot of candy. Hey....how come my bag is practically empty, and yours is almost full?
Richie: Maybe because I'm cuter than you.

(From Fast Eddie Winslow)
Harriet: How's the book?
Judy: Boring. Look how big and thick it is!
Harriet: (reading) Swiss Family Robinson!
Judy: Who wants to read about cheese?

(From Ice Station Winslow)
Laura: Isn't Little Richie cute?!
Judy: NO!

(From Taking Credit)
Rachel: Oh boy I can't wait to try the cake you kids made! (Takes a bite and has a disgusted look on her face?)
Judy: Well...?
Rachel: It's good. And it clears the sinaces.
Judy: Horseraddish!

I think they should've kept her sisterly rlationsship with Laura. Once Urkel came in, that was rarely used. But IceStation Winslow used a good Laura/ Judy scene. And BTW Kellie and Jaimee were best friends on set. NOW LET'S NOT STRAY FROM TOPIC! IF YOU WANNA START A JUDY THREAD, GO TO FM'S BOARD AND MAKE ONE!

It certainly is. Jaimee didn't do well after that job loss and who can blame her when her own family used her earnings to get them out of a hole financially.


Well I think they had to use the money since she was only a child especially if they had some kind of financial crisis

I so gree with you! Family Matters is bette rbecause wee saw the at themeparks, at school, camps, the mall etc... And Steve, is so the best nerd Ive ever seen on TV/film. And great actors. Jaleel WHite is the most talented actor I've ever seen. He made everything look so real!! Actually, he made it real ;)

And there were scenes with many dates during the scenes. And during the seasons we saw the Steve, Laura and Eddie, plus their friends grew up from kisa, to teenagers, and to adults. How they changed, and everything. And their grandma was like a teenager. Well, it's hard to explain why its better than The Cosby show.


And that's another thing, you never saw any of the Huxtable kids go on a DATE-LOL

Exactly, Jaimee wasn't owed anything, but come on! She finally got her big break, and they decide to treat her like dirt! It ruined the shows continuity too, I mean that sort of made me like the show a LOT less. I can't really watch season 5-9, they weren't as good and not just because Judy left! And I'm not kidding that she had a plot! In Ice Station Winslow, she was upset that her mom was paying more attention to Richie then her. She had many lines in that episode. She's had plenty of lines, here are a few:
(From Two-Income Family)
Judy: Laura what's seven times nine?
Laura: Sixty-three.
Judy: Thanks!
(long pause)
Judy: Laura what's eight times nine?
Laura: Seventy-two.
(long pause)
Judy: Laura what's....
Laura: EIGHTY-ONE!!!

(From Short Story)
Judy: (While the family's complaing about how Rachel's book made them look stupid) What about me? You said I whine! (Whineing) I DON'T WHINE!

(From Rachel's First Date)
Eddie: (Guessing Alan's card, trying to distract him, while Rachel's getting ready for their date) Is it the Two of Clubs?
Judy: It's the eight of diamonds!
Alan: THAT'S IT!

(From Straight A's)
Eddie: (After Carl said a big word) What does that mean?
Judy: LOOK IT UP!

(From Body Damage)
Trying to distract Carl from seeing his damaged car)
Laura: Dad wait! My tonsils hurt.
Judy: Mine too!
Carl: Judy, you got your tonsils out four years ago.
Judy: Oh, I mean my feet.

(From The Quilt)
Laura: JUDY, YOU CAN'T QUIT! YOU HAVE TO WAVE THE CARS TO OUR HOUSE! HOW ELSE ARE THEY GONNA KNOW WHERE THE TAG SALE IS?
Judy: Look, I'm wet, I'm cold, and I'm cranky!
Laura: BUT...
Judy: DON'T MESS WITH ME!

(From Man's Best Friend, Not really what Judy said, but it's about her)
Carl: Edward get down here!
Eddie: Coming dad! (Pause) NO! DON'T DRINK OUTTA THE TOILET!
Carl: (Doesn't know they're hiding a dog from him) What was that about?
Harriet: Uhhhh.... It's Judy! I don't know what's gotten into her lately. I think I'm braiding her hair too tight!

(From Sitting Pretty)
Laura: (About her baby sitting service) I guess we can have them drop all of their kids here. I know it's just you and me Judy, but it's only gonna be 20 or 30 kids!
Judy: WE? I'm outta here!

Eddie: I'm still hot, right mom? (Harriet stares at him) Judy?
Judy: Eddie, GET A LIFE!

(From The Candidate)
Judy: (Practicing Math) 5x2 is 10. 5x3 is 15. 5x4 is 20.
Laura: Can you do that silently?
Judy: (Starts doing problems in her head) NO!

(From Torn Between Two Lovers)
Harriette: Better add zucchini to that shopping list.
Judy: (writing) Z-U-K
Harriet: Nope.
Judy: Z-O-O-K
Harriet: Uh uh.
Judy: Let's get corn instead.

(From Dog Day Halloween)
Harriet: Did you kids have fun trick-or-treatinng?
Judy:Yeah, we got a lot of candy. Hey....how come my bag is practically empty, and yours is almost full?
Richie: Maybe because I'm cuter than you.

(From Fast Eddie Winslow)
Harriet: How's the book?
Judy: Boring. Look how big and thick it is!
Harriet: (reading) Swiss Family Robinson!
Judy: Who wants to read about cheese?

(From Ice Station Winslow)
Laura: Isn't Little Richie cute?!
Judy: NO!

(From Taking Credit)
Rachel: Oh boy I can't wait to try the cake you kids made! (Takes a bite and has a disgusted look on her face?)
Judy: Well...?
Rachel: It's good. And it clears the sinaces.
Judy: Horseraddish!

I think they should've kept her sisterly rlationsship with Laura. Once Urkel came in, that was rarely used. But IceStation Winslow used a good Laura/ Judy scene. And BTW Kellie and Jaimee were best friends on set. NOW LET'S NOT STRAY FROM TOPIC! IF YOU WANNA START A JUDY THREAD, GO TO FM'S BOARD AND MAKE ONE!



Another actor who should have been cut was RICHIE-lol

I do prefer Family Matters over the Cosby Show. But Family Matters had it's flaws. It became the cartoon Urkel Show. You had one actor playing mutiple roles. Jo-Marie left the show late in it's run and was replaced by an actress that was terrible in that role.

I do prefer Family Matters over the Cosby Show. But Family Matters had it's flaws. It became the cartoon Urkel Show. You had one actor playing mutiple roles. Jo-Marie left the show late in it's run and was replaced by an actress that was terrible in that role.


Urkel didn't both me because I focused on Eddie and Laura and Max. So whatever he was doing was overshadowed by the normal characters

Another actor who should have been cut was RICHIE-lol
and 3J. lol

and 3J. lol

And Waldo. I preferred Rodney over Waldo. At least Rodney and Eddie were more on the same page.

and 3J. lol


Oh Yeah, he is now on That's so Raven-lol

Well I think they had to use the money since she was only a child especially if they had some kind of financial crisis
But the money was put in a trust account for her benefit when she was an adult. The family made bad choices and depended on their child to support them? How awful is that? Imagine the burden they put on their child by needing HER MONEY. Parents owe their children to make decisions so they have a roof over their child's head, food is on the table, etc. From what I understand, her family made bad choices as far as how they spent their money, causing them to have to go to court to ask the court to release her money to them so they could get out of bankruptcy. I guess they figured their daughter was this tv star and they could go out and spend money like it was coming out of their butt.

I'm very angry too about how they treated Judy. Of course she became boring, but that's because they wouldn't give her a chance. They could have done so much with her, if they had only had used their brains. And she would soon become a teenager, who would start dating and all that. There was so much potential there, that never was used. The mistake wasn't having Judy on the show in the first place. The mistake was to not work a little on the Judy character instead of firing a thirteen-year-old, who sure hadn't ask to become so boring on the show, and having everyone pretend like her character on the show had never existed, even though she had been their daughter or sister. And as much as I always will admire Jaleel White's incredible ability to do multiple characters on the show, I would much rather have seen some episodes about Judy as a teenager instead of all those boring episodes about Stephan.

But returning to the real topic of the thread, I too like both shows equally. The first seasons of "The Cosby Show" was pretty much like the first seasons of "Family Matters". It was only, of course, that the Huxtables was a fancy doctor/lawyer family, while the Winslows were more working class and down to Earth.

The one thing, that I have against "The Cosby show", is the addition of Olivia (Raven Symone). She was such an unneeded character! And worst of all, it was like an insult to Rudy (Keshia Knight Pulliam). It was like they were telling poor Keshia/Rudy, that just because she was ten years old, she wasn't cute anymore, and they needed another "cute child" on the show. Come to think of it, I'm actually surprised now, that they didn't write Rudy off and fire Keshia, just like they did with Judy on FM. Also, while most kids that age on the sitcoms are precocious, Olivia was just too much.

However, I'm among the few people, who actually appreciated Pam (Erika Alexander). I don't find her as boring as most people say she is, even if she and her friends did seem to come out off nowhere. And most importantly, Vanessa (Tempesst Bledsoe) started college at the time and was hardly at home anymore, so there was this void to fill. I guess that was why they considered having another teenage girl on the show in the first place. However, there hadn't been any void to fill, when Olivia was introduced. Rudy hadn't been more than a mere ten years old, so there was no need for a new "cute child"!

And I have to two things agsinst "Family Matters":
1: The total disrespect they showed for Judy (Jaimee Foxworth).
2: The fact that they had Steve end up with that bitch Laura.

I'm very angry too about how they treated Judy. Of course she became boring, but that's because they wouldn't give her a chance. They could have done so much with her, if they had only had used their brains. And she would soon become a teenager, who would start dating and all that. There was so much potential there, that never was used. The mistake wasn't having Judy on the show in the first place. The mistake was to not work a little on the Judy character instead of firing a thirteen-year-old, who sure hadn't ask to become so boring on the show, and having everyone pretend like her character on the show had never existed, even though she had been their daughter or sister. And as much as I always will admire Jaleel White's incredible ability to do multiple characters on the show, I would much rather have seen some episodes about Judy as a teenager instead of all those boring episodes about Stephan.

But returning to the real topic of the thread, I too like both shows equally. The first seasons of "The Cosby Show" was pretty much like the first seasons of "Family Matters". It was only, of course, that the Huxtables was a fancy doctor/lawyer family, while the Winslows were more working class and down to Earth.

The one thing, that I have against "The Cosby show", is the addition of Olivia (Raven Symone). She was such an unneeded character! And worst of all, it was like an insult to Rudy (Keshia Knight Pulliam). It was like they were telling poor Keshia/Rudy, that just because she was ten years old, she wasn't cute anymore, and they needed another "cute child" on the show. Come to think of it, I'm actually surprised now, that they didn't write Rudy off and fire Keshia, just like they did with Judy on FM. Also, while most kids that age on the sitcoms are precocious, Olivia was just too much.

However, I'm among the few people, who actually appreciated Pam (Erika Alexander). I don't find her as boring as most people say she is, even if she and her friends did seem to come out off nowhere. And most importantly, Vanessa (Tempesst Bledsoe) started college at the time and was hardly at home anymore, so there was this void to fill. I guess that was why they considered having another teenage girl on the show in the first place. However, there hadn't been any void to fill, when Olivia was introduced. Rudy hadn't been more than a mere ten years old, so there was no need for a new "cute child"!

And I have to two things agsinst "Family Matters":
1: The total disrespect they showed for Judy (Jaimee Foxworth).
2: The fact that they had Steve end up with that bitch Laura.
Wow, it's like we're sharing the same brain! I agree with every last word you just said!

Cheers then! :D I'm glad we agree!

Yeah well, you obviously knew how I felt about Judy from the FM boards.

Yeah well, you obviously knew how I felt about Judy from the FM boards.


Were you in the same age bracket s Judy during the Original run of the show?

Another actor who should have been cut was RICHIE-lol
ABSOLUTELY! He was okay for the first season (if that) when they aged the character, but he got more irritating every time he came on. He's one of the worst child stars of all time, IMO.

I don't know know why anyone would be that upset about Judy leaving when she didn't contribute anything to the show. The only problem I have is they should have explained her absence.

ABSOLUTELY! He was okay for the first season (if that) when they aged the character, but he got more irritating every time he came on. He's one of the worst child stars of all time, IMO.
Well, his mother almost left the show, so it would only make sense to write Richie off too. A cousin/nephew disappearing also makes more sense than a sister/daughter disappearing. I don't think Bryton McClure was a bad child star though.

I don't know know why anyone would be that upset about Judy leaving when she didn't contribute anything to the show. The only problem I have is they should have explained her absence.
Because she was Carl's and Harriette's daughter and Eddy's and Laura's sister, and they were suddenly supposed to pretend like a close family member never had existed. It's also irritating that they didn't work on this character instead of letting her become so boring.

Well, his mother almost left the show, so it would only make sense to write Richie off too. A cousin/nephew disappearing also makes more sense than a sister/daughter disappearing. I don't think Bryton McClure was a bad child star though.


Because she was Carl's and Harriette's daughter and Eddy's and Laura's sister, and they were suddenly supposed to pretend like a close family member never had existed. It's also irritating that they didn't work on this character instead of letting her become so boring.



Well Until I came to this board I would have never known that they got rid of Judy-lol It was only brought to my attention when I came to this board

What does that mean? Didn't you know she had existed?

What does that mean? Didn't you know she had existed?


The fact that she was so young with such a minor role, I didn't notice her being gone from the show. Now if it was Laura or Eddie of course I would have noticed but she wasn't used heavily to begin with

Were you in the same age bracket s Judy during the Original run of the show?
No, I just thought she should've been used more.

No, I just thought she should've been used more.


Well that sounds STRANGE, you wanted to see more of a child character that wasn't in your age bracket????????????????

Well, it was a family sitcom, so of course there were supposed to be child actors. Darius McGrary (Eddy) and Kelly Shaygnee Williams (Laura) were practically child actors too, even thought it was more like teen actors in their cases. And actually, the fact that Jaimee Foxworth was so young also makes it even crueler, that they treated her this way.

And don't you agree with us, that they should have used her more instead of having them pretend like their daughter or sister had never existed?

Your last paragraph can be said abt a lot of characters who never got their fair share on a hit show. I seem to remember Richie Cunningham (Happy Days) having an older brother named Chuck. One day he was there, very happy, he had some great screen moments...then one day he looked different...still, a funny guy...then one day POOF BE GONE. Bye Chuck. :(

A young girl named Rose on the hit show 227 had the same thing happened to her as was done to Judy:
Rose's daughter Tiffany (Kia Goodwin) disappears halfway through the series' third season, never to be mentioned again.

Where is the love????????????????????

Well, it was a family sitcom, so of course there were supposed to be child actors. Darius McGrary (Eddy) and Kelly Shaygnee Williams (Laura) were practically child actors too, even thought it was more like teen actors in their cases. And actually, the fact that Jaimee Foxworth was so young also makes it even crueler, that they treated her this way.

And don't you agree with us, that they should have used her more instead of having them pretend like their daughter or sister had never existed?


i didn't care because i was 7 years older than the character at the time

I didn't care because who even noticed her? I can see if she was a beloved character, one that was developed and had been seen regularly in the foreground (not as background decoration) but she wasn't any of those things.

If you feel bad for her, then you have to feel bad for every actor/actress who didn't get a "fair shake."

I didn't care because who even noticed her? I can see if she was a beloved character, one that was developed and had been seen regularly in the foreground (not as background decoration) but she wasn't any of those things.

If you feel bad for her, then you have to feel bad for every actor/actress who didn't get a "fair shake."


The same level of disapperance without anyone noticing on other shows would be characters like

Charlie the Bartender on Jeffersons

Monty on Good Times

Mike the Bartender on Three's Company



LOL

Mike the Bartender on Three's Company
Hell, Mike the bartender contributed more to Three's Company than Judy ever did to Family Matters - LOL.

:lol: Solomon...:lol:

Here is an example of when a mother with two kids suddenly became a SINGLE MOM with no explanation as the change of the character:

In The Doris Day Show, Day's character had originally been depicted as a widowed mother of two small children working as a secretary at a publishing firm. At the beginning of the show's fourth season the character abruptly became a "swinging single" journalist and all the supporting characters disappeared. The departures included her coworker, played by Rose Marie, her boss, played by McLean Stevenson, and her two small children. No effort was made to explain this change.

How do you think those two kids felt being abandoned???? :eek: :eek: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

Not a source I like to use but here is a HUGE LIST of disappearing characters that didn't make sense:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chuck_Cunningham_Syndrome#Disappearing_characters


Now, I can understand Furienna how you feel abt Judy and the character and so forth, but you seem a bit miffed that the rest of us don't feel the same way you do. You will note that you are in the minority here regarding this topic. It is ok to disagree. No one is upset abt this character because the overall consensus is that she WAS NOT NEEDED and she added nothing to the show.

Another reason I like Family Matters better than The Cosby Show: The mother! Harriet was spunky and feisty. Claire was just a downright bitch at times - just ask Irene. :lol:

Hell, Mike the bartender contributed more to Three's Company than Judy ever did to Family Matters - LOL.


If he was Cut I still wouldn't have noticed-lol

Just go to a "Family Matters" forum, and you will see that YOU are the minority! Both here on Sitcoms Online and on IMDB, people keep asking about Judy and wondering why they didn't anything more to her, because they noticed her disappearance. Not because she contributed anything to the show, as she wasn't allowed to do so, but because she was a member of the Winslow family, more so than Rachel and Richie, who were still seen now and then during the rest of the show's run. I can say the same thing about Chuck Cunningham. How stupid are people some times? I assume he wasn't on the show for a full four seasons though, like poor Judy still was. Another example is Brendan Lambert on "Step by step". Where was he in the last season? He was one of Frank's three kids from his first marriage, and he suddenly was missing. It's not like we missed his him, because he also became boring, but it was still stupid, since you can't just write off a family member on a show based on a family!

Another reason I like Family Matters better than The Cosby Show: The mother! Harriet was spunky and feisty. Claire was just a downright bitch at times - just ask Irene. :lol:

Ha ha! You can ask me too! I've gotten used to Claire Huxtable by now though, even if she was more of a bitch than what Harriette Winslow ever was.

Just go to a "Family Matters" forum, and you will see that YOU are the minority! Both here on Sitcoms Online and on IMDB, people keep asking about Judy and wondering why they didn't anything more to her, because they noticed her disappearance. Not because she contributed anything to the show, as she wasn't allowed to do so, but because she was a member of the Winslow family, more so than Rachel and Richie, who were still seen now and then during the rest of the show's run. I can say the same thing about Chuck Cunningham. How stupid are people some times? I assume he wasn't on the show for a full four seasons though, like poor Judy still was. Another example is Brendan Lambert on "Step by step". Where was he in the last season? He was one of Frank's three kids from his first marriage, and he suddenly was missing. It's not like we missed his him, because he also became boring, but it was still stupid, since you can't just write off a family member on a show based on a family!



Ha ha! You can ask me too! I've gotten used to Claire Huxtable by now though, even if she was more of a bitch than what Harriette Winslow ever was.

I meant, you are the minority on THIS BOARD, not any other board.

Writers can do what they want to do. It may not be believable, but they do what they want to change the flow of the show. Writers killed off John Amos' character on Good Times. Writers brought back people from the dead (Dream season on DALLAS anyone?). You make it sound like these people are real families. :lol: Obviously you didn't read what I posted above and seen the MANY EXAMPLES of family characters who were written off without explanation. You act like Judy was the only one.

Judy is not the only one, but she's the most noticable one, and the one I feel most sorry for. But I also feel sorry for Brendan on "Step by step".

Hell, Mike the bartender contributed more to Three's Company than Judy ever did to Family Matters - LOL.
Yes but Judy was their daughter! Not somebody who worked at the gangs hang out. He wasn't even ever a regular! Anyway I feel more bad for Judy then others who dissapeared is because of what happened to Jaimee. I mean if she was off to better things then I probably wouldn't care as much, but it's awful what her situation became! I know you may not agree, and I respect your opinions, I just want you to know how I felt!

I too feel sorry for Jaimee because of what happened. You can say what you want, but I don't think all that mess would have happened, if she had been allowed to stay on the show. The way it was, the people saying she would only get plots when pigs flew, it made her lose all her self-esteem. Terrible...

Had her family not used up her trust fund to pay for their own mistakes, she would have had money to fall back on while maybe getting an education. Many child actors pursue an education and better themselves and prepare themselves for the times they are not working. The child actors from Cosby Show all pursued an college education (Lisa Bonet is the exception) because they are smart enough to know the business can be fickle and the business owes no one. Tempest Bledsoe received a degree in financing. Too bad Jaimee didn't follow that route.

I still think the producers or whoever was in charge of the show made a mistake though.