ITN - 1 hour 18 minutes ago

Mariah Carey has denied rumours that she and fellow diva Jennifer Lopez are feuding.

The 37-year-old singer has denied reports that she refused to do a duet with J-Lo.

Carey said the remarks were "sad" and a "complete untruth".

She told People magazine: "This is just some internet gossip and it's pathetic that people actually entertain the thought that this could be real.

"This is another sad example of two strong women being pitted against each other."

http://uk.news.yahoo.com/itn/20080109/ten-carey-denies-j-lo-feud-reports-ea4616c_1.html

A duet with J-lo :brent

A duet with J-lo :brent

i very doubt that mariah would do so, i mean, mariah carey and j-lo? the gap between the two is huge and mariah is by far the better singer, unlike the other obviously

There's no fued simply because Mariah doesn't care anymore. Considering Grave urr I meant Brave has sold less than 150,000 copies, it's hardly like she's competition anymore the way it was in 2001-2002 when Lopez was seriously giving Mariah a run for her money.

i very doubt that mariah would do so, i mean, mariah carey and j-lo? the gap between the two is huge and mariah is by far the better singer, unlike the other obviously
well, I know Dupri has been pushing for a Mariah/Janet duet, and I think there is just as huge of a gap, especially since Janet is known to whisper and mumble

a duet.. no way... :rolleyes:

One can sing, the other can't. Simple. I don't have to tell you which one sings, do I?

If a celebrity has a feud with another celebrity and nobody knows about it, are we allowed to comment on it?

;)

One can sing, the other can't. Simple. I don't have to tell you which one sings, do I?
Hey, Mariah happens to be a very good singer, IrenelovesJLo :lol:

j/k (about the J. Lo part, not Mariah singing, haha)

Hey, Mariah happens to be a very good singer, IrenelovesJLo :lol:

j/k (about the J. Lo part, not Mariah singing, haha)
:rofl:

does anyone remember awhile back on TRL when J. Lo and Mariah were releasing new albums at the same time, and hardcore fans between the two were arguing over who the better singer was? It was so funny to hear "J. Lo has a stronger range than Mariah can ever dream of having"..... on what planet?

does anyone remember awhile back on TRL when J. Lo and Mariah were releasing new albums at the same time, and hardcore fans between the two were arguing over who the better singer was? It was so funny to hear "J. Lo has a stronger range than Mariah can ever dream of having"..... on what planet?
I never seen that. I don't watch TRL though. :lol: Is there a youtube clip?

There's no fued simply because Mariah doesn't care anymore. Considering Grave urr I meant Brave has sold less than 150,000 copies, it's hardly like she's competition anymore the way it was in 2001-2002 when Lopez was seriously giving Mariah a run for her money.
My husband loves Janet Jackson. That girl can really belt out a song when she wants to, and she was quite the performer. Some of her slow songs are very pretty too. She's talented.

does anyone remember awhile back on TRL when J. Lo and Mariah were releasing new albums at the same time, and hardcore fans between the two were arguing over who the better singer was? It was so funny to hear "J. Lo has a stronger range than Mariah can ever dream of having"..... on what planet?
What's TRL? Hardcore fans are going to defend their own. That's the way it usually goes. Even so, that is a silly thing to say. Mariah is known for her range.

As for this non-story, Mariah denied it, so what's to discuss? A rumor that's been proven false? But I'll play along. I can see Mariah doing a duet with Jennifer. Mariah is the better singer, but Jennifer has her fans and success in the field of music. Unless Wikipedia isn't accurate here, and I checked a few stats, I'd say J-Lo has done okay for herself. Mariah and Jennifer would certainly look great performing together.

Jennifer Lopez is gorgeous and multi-talented. She has millions of fans, just as Mariah does. I don't get the hate. Irrational hate for person for no reason can only mean one thing, jealousy. I don't care for many performers, but to HATE a person who never did a thing to hurt me, no way.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/J-Lo#Music_career

What's TRL? Hardcore fans are going to defend their own. That's the way it usually goes. Even so, that is a silly thing to say. Mariah is known for her range.

Total Request Live a show on MTV. Carson Daly used to host it have no idea who hosts it now since i don't watch MTV very much anymore

I agree with Janice. In some people's opinion we know Mariah has the stronger voice out of the two but Jennifer has more talent as an actress I think. I haven't seen all of her movies i know she has been in some not so good ones that Gigli movie or whatever i heard wasn't great but she was really good in Selena I really enjoyed that movie. It was sad but her performance in it was good but that's just my opinion.

There's no fued simply because Mariah doesn't care anymore. Considering Grave urr I meant Brave has sold less than 150,000 copies, it's hardly like she's competition anymore the way it was in 2001-2002 when Lopez was seriously giving Mariah a run for her money.
:lol: :lol: :lol: Grave...:lol:

Yeah, but in 2001 Mariah was having a bad year. Wasn't her CD released on 9/11?

Every artist can't sell millions of their LP's (yes, I said it...LP's :lol:) every mega star out there has had their bad moments; you can't expect gold or platinum sellers each time.

What feud? Mariah's vocal chords and J.Lo's ass?

I agree with Janice. In some people's opinion we know Mariah has the stronger voice out of the two but Jennifer has more talent as an actress I think. I haven't seen all of her movies i know she has been in some not so good ones that Gigli movie or whatever i heard wasn't great but she was really good in Selena I really enjoyed that movie. It was sad but her performance in it was good but that's just my opinion.
Jennifer Lopez is enormously talented. Because a few haters bash her doesn't change that fact. Most of her movies have done well. Not everyone can hit a homerun with every movie or album. For every Gigli, there's a Glitter or a Swept Away.

J-Lo has sold 50 million records worldwide. She ranks 9th on Forbes, '20 Richest Women in Entertainment'. She's one of the highest-paid actresses in the world, and is the highest-paid Latin actress, ever. She won the 2007 American Music Award for Favorite Latin Artist. She's done very well in music, movies, and businesses such as her fashion and jewelry lines. She's an activist for human and animal rights. The Latin community is very proud of Jennifer, and she won an award from Amnesty International for her work with Hispanics. J-Lo brought herself up from nothing, and became an International star.

J-Lo is an actress, songwriter, singer, record producer, dancer, fashion designer, television producer and humanitarian. She's been nominated or has won awards in just about every area of entertainment. She managed to make herself wildy rich in the process, with a net worth estimated at close to 300 million. She's drop dead gorgeous to boot. Yeah, she's a real loser, lol.


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Jennifer Lopez is enormously talented. Because a few haters bash her doesn't change that fact. Most of her movies have done well. Not everyone can hit a homerun with every movie or album. For every Gigli, there's a Glitter or a Swept Away.

J-Lo has sold 50 million records worldwide. She ranks 9th on Forbes, '20 Richest Women in Entertainment'. She's one of the highest-paid actresses in the world, and is the highest-paid Latin actress, ever. She won the 2007 American Music Award for Favorite Latin Artist. She's done very well in music, movies, and businesses such as her fashion and jewelry lines. She's an activist for human and animal rights. The Latin community is very proud of Jennifer, and she won an award from Amnesty International for her work with Hispanics. J-Lo brought herself up from nothing, and became an International star.

J-Lo is an actress, songwriter, singer, record producer, dancer, fashion designer, television producer and humanitarian. She's been nominated or has won awards in just about every area of entertainment. She managed to make herself wildy rich in the process, with a net worth estimated at close to 300 million. She's drop dead gorgeous to boot. Yeah, she's a real loser, lol.


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We know your TRUE feelings

We know your TRUE feelings
LOL. Just speaking the truth.

I agree with you about that while some people hate her for whatever reason i do think she is talented. I think she's a pretty good singer i mean she sold a lot of records but i really like her as an actress i know some other people don't think all her movies are that great but I agree with you Janice about that. I've seen some of them and I think they are good. I don't know what people expect from her.

LOL. Just speaking the truth.
LOL

J-lo and animal rights is an oxymoron. From what has been stated in reputable magazines is that she has more fur coats than animals themselves. She has been pictured wearing many different furs. Not fakes either. She is not high on the list of supporting animals or their rights. Maybe wearing animals is more like it. Then again, she may have changed her stance because of the fact she was frowned upon for wearing animal skins. I detest furs and the skinning of animals and the torture of animals. One reason I dislike her. I love animals much much more. She may not be a Vick and actually kill animals, but the fact she wears furs makes me disgusted.

That's all I can say on that matter. Anyone can like or dislike whoever or whatever for whatever reasons. No one here is demeaning anyone or name calling, merely discussing a supposed rumor that Mariah may or may not be telling the truth abt. Does anyone really think Mariah will come right out and say, "Of course it is true. I don't have no intentions of recording with her or anyone else." I don't expect Ms. Carey to say that, can you imagine how that would make her look? :lol:

There are plenty of celebs who have fueds with each other, the list is endless. I could care less who Mariah records with or fights with or whatever, this is not a debate of any sort. Merely those of us who gave an opinion on the lack of singing ability of one and the obvious talent of another. No one mentioned the acting talents of one and the lack of acting talent of the other. It didn't even go there. We all know who we like and dislike, I don't want to see this go into a petty squabble. It is just chit/chat.

^ Is this your new reason to hate Jennifer Lopez, Irene? When I asked you why you had such a passionate hate for her a while back, you told me it was because of the men in her life, or something along those lines. I wouldn't wear fur if someone gave me 100 fur coats. Get ready to hate a few more celebs though because PETA puts out lists all the time. Here's the latest.

http://www.ecorazzi.com/2006/11/28/slammed-richie-ricci-olsen-and-langoria-named-worst-dressed-by-peta/

That's what I'm doing too, is chit chatting. I'm not looking for a squabble either. I just get a little tired of a hard working woman being called ragged on or called a HO while it's "Ms. Carey". Ms. Lopez is a human being too. You're dead set on hating her. It's hate in your heart, not mine. I just don't understand it, especially coming from you, with your heritage. There were jokes about J-Lo's album sales and a laughfest over even daring to compare Mariah and J-Lo, so yes, it did go there. I'm simply posting my opinion too. The lady has talent, and she's worked hard to get where she is today.

My husband loves Janet Jackson. That girl can really belt out a song when she wants to, and she was quite the performer. Some of her slow songs are very pretty too. She's talented.
I'm really hoping Janet rebounds with this album. It does sound like she's trying again. She was one of the best performers in the 80's and 90's, but it seems like ever since she got divorced from Rene Elizondo, she's really been lacking in her material, and she essentially stopped singing and starting mumbling in her past few albums (and it didn't help that she went from sexy to borderline pornographic in her songs. She said stuff on the Damita Jo and All For You albums that would make Prince circa 1982 blush). But I think with the upcoming album, it looks like she's ready to reclaim her place, and it's about time. The last three albums were well beneath what she's capable of

I am mixed on J. Lo as a recording artist. I think she can be pretty good when she tries, but when she doesn't put any effort, it's horrid. It's a bit of a shame that Brave didn't get a fair chance from the public because of how weak the Rebirth and This Is Me... Then albums were. Jennifer did work really hard to promote Brave, she did a tour and Dancing With The Stars but she just couldn't get people to buy the album because so many people were fed up of mediocre albums from her.

Brave was definately her best album since the J. Lo album from 2001 and had several songs on it that easily could've been smash hits (Hold It Don't Drop It has hit written all over it) if people were ready to give Jennifer a chance again musically.

I'm really hoping Janet rebounds with this album. It does sound like she's trying again. She was one of the best performers in the 80's and 90's, but it seems like ever since she got divorced from Rene Elizondo, she's really been lacking in her material, and she essentially stopped singing and starting mumbling in her past few albums (and it didn't help that she went from sexy to borderline pornographic in her songs. She said stuff on the Damita Jo and All For You albums that would make Prince circa 1982 blush). But I think with the upcoming album, it looks like she's ready to reclaim her place, and it's about time. The last three albums were well beneath what she's capable of
I don't know much about Janet's career now, but she had it going on for years back in the 90s. That's The Way Love Goes, Miss You Much, Love Will Never Do (Without You), Escapade, Rhythm Nation, so many fantastic songs. My husband and I hit a very rough patch around the time her album, Janet, came out. He bought me the CD and asked that I listen to, Where Are You Now? He would play it on my answering machine, lol.

I have a hard time listening to it now, because it reminds me of that awful time when he wanted me back so bad, but I was too stupid to listen. We lost time together, too much time. Come Back To Me, is another one, but Where Are You Now? simply wipes me out. Janet sings some very exquisite, beautiful slow songs. Now, I put on one of her CDs, and my housework gets done in a hurry. lol

She's quite a performer, and had some incredible costumes. She reminded me a lot of her brother, Michael, in that marching step she employed a lot. She was just so gorgeous, and sexy. She seems like a nice gal also. Sort of shy and humble, unless that's an act and she's a shrewish diva, lol. I saw a recent picture of her and she lost all that weight, and looks incredible. If she's on the comeback trail, I'm in her corner. We're Janet Jackson fans in this house. I watch her on Good Times, and think to myself of what's on the horizon for her.

I don't know much about Janet's career now, but she had it going on for years back in the 90s. That's The Way Love Goes, Miss You Much, Love Will Never Do (Without You), Escapade, Rhythm Nation, so many fantastic songs. My husband and I hit a very rough patch around the time her album, Janet, came out. He bought me the CD and asked that I listen to, Where Are You Now? He would play it on my answering machine, lol.

I have a hard time listening to it now, because it reminds me of that awful time when he wanted me back so bad, but I was too stupid to listen. We lost time together, too much time. Come Back To Me, is another one, but Where Are You Now? simply wipes me out. Janet sings some very exquisite, beautiful slow songs. Now, I put on one of her CDs, and my housework gets done in a hurry. lol

She's quite a performer, and had some incredible costumes. She reminded me a lot of her brother, Michael, in that marching step she employed a lot. She was just so gorgeous, and sexy. She seems like a nice gal also. Sort of shy and humble, unless that's an act and she's a shrewish diva, lol. I saw a recent picture of her and she lost all that weight, and looks incredible. If she's on the comeback trail, I'm in her corner. We're Janet Jackson fans in this house. I watch her on Good Times, and think to myself of what's on the horizon for her.

the string of albums from Control to Velvet Rope were ace, I want that Janet back. It looks like she is set to make a big comeback at least, "Feedback" is taking off strongly on radio and itunes, although Damita Jo and 20 Y.O. were both hitless. Janet's contract with Virgin wasn't renewed after 20 was such a disaster and this is the first album for a new label, so I think Janet knows this album she either needs to put up or shut up because the last two albums took a drastic fall in sales from what she used to sell and they didn't come near the quality of what her heyday had.

Sometimes an artist really needs to bottom out to truly come back tho, like Mariah and Glitter and Madonna and the Sex book. They both came back from their backlashes stronger than before and with some of their best music to date, I hope the same happens with Janet now since she hit a real rough patch after the Super Bowl and fans have been wanting her to come back with something great.

^ Is this your new reason to hate Jennifer Lopez, Irene? When I asked you why you had such a passionate hate for her a while back, you told me it was because of the men in her life, or something along those lines. I wouldn't wear fur if someone gave me 100 fur coats. Get ready to hate a few more celebs though because PETA puts out lists all the time. Here's the latest.

http://www.ecorazzi.com/2006/11/28/slammed-richie-ricci-olsen-and-langoria-named-worst-dressed-by-peta/

That's what I'm doing too, is chit chatting. I'm not looking for a squabble either. I just get a little tired of a hard working woman being called ragged on or called a HO while it's "Ms. Carey". Ms. Lopez is a human being too. You're dead set on hating her. It's hate in your heart, not mine. I just don't understand it, especially coming from you, with your heritage. There were jokes about J-Lo's album sales and a laughfest over even daring to compare Mariah and J-Lo, so yes, it did go there. I'm simply posting my opinion too. The lady has talent, and she's worked hard to get where she is today.
If you read my post correctly then you will see I stated wearing furs is ONE REASON I detest her so. I never referred to her as a HO in this thread. I have on other threads, but not on this one. I didn't make any "low blows" simply made comments that are my opinion as to her singing ability. It is well-known her ability is not all that. That is why when she records, she has a flurry of specialists to make her vocals sound good on her albums. I have never said anything abt her acting ability, if anything, if anyone has read my posts in full, they will see I have stated how I loved her work in SELENA. I never commented on something she is obviously talented at. As a matter of fact, I commented on Mariah's inability to act in this thread. I didn't make a negative comment of only one lady in this thread. If this thread also included Madonna, I too would have made my comments abt her lack of acting ability, although, like Jennifer, she has had her flops and her glories. I did state in this thread that all megastars have their bad moments. I won't like an artist simply because she is latina. I need more than that. I used to like the lady until I found out more and more of her love of furs, her clothing line including using animal fur, her failure to remain faithful to men and marriage vows and I really find her materialistic. I can go on and on Janice but I know you hate long posts, so I won't bother with any more words on this.

If you read my post correctly then you will see I stated wearing furs is ONE REASON I detest her so. I never referred to her as a HO in this thread. I have on other threads, but not on this one. I didn't make any "low blows" simply made comments that are my opinion as to her singing ability. It is well-known her ability is not all that. That is why when she records, she has a flurry of specialists to make her vocals sound good on her albums. I have never said anything abt her acting ability, if anything, if anyone has read my posts in full, they will see I have stated how I loved her work in SELENA. I never commented on something she is obviously talented at. As a matter of fact, I commented on Mariah's inability to act in this thread. I didn't make a negative comment of only one lady in this thread. If this thread also included Madonna, I too would have made my comments abt her lack of acting ability, although, like Jennifer, she has had her flops and her glories. I did state in this thread that all megastars have their bad moments. I won't like an artist simply because she is latina. I need more than that. I used to like the lady until I found out more and more of her love of furs, her clothing line including using animal fur, her failure to remain faithful to men and marriage vows and I really find her materialistic. I can go on and on Janice but I know you hate long posts, so I won't bother with any more words on this.
I read all posts correctly. I never claimed you stated all of the above. I simply joined in a discussion where a couple of celebs who I happen to like were being criticized. You are known here for your hate for Jennifer Lopez, and calling her J-HO. That's your perogative, just as it's mine to defend her. Imagine how a huge fan of of Madonna would feel if a member constantly referred to her as HO-donna, or if someone continously called Mariah, HO-riah. Kinda schoolyard if you ask me, but whatever.

This fur controversy is relatively new. You hated her before that. Your past posts show that. As for your other reasons to hate her, you better better be prepared to hate most of Hollywood as they're known for playing play musical chairs in the love department, and with Jennifer's kind of money, who can blame her for being materialistic. I know I would be. She works very hard for her money, so she enjoys a rich lifestyle, as they all do. I think your hate is irrational, as many stars behave exactly as she does and you don't hate them. Do you hate Nicole Richie for wearing fur, as she's on PETA's hit list. J-Lo seems like a decent person to me, and as I said, you have every right to knock and hate her, as I have every right to defend her.

It appears that if someone wants to respectfully have a discussion on a person's talent, without the slams, the laughing smilies, and cracks on their names or album, then they're the bad guy or whatever. Sorry to ruin the party, but I think J-Lo is every bit as pretty and talented as most of the celebs mentioned here, and I backed it up in my previous post which listed her numerous achievements.

I didn't make the crack abt her album name. I "smilied" simply abt that name. John comes up with some funny stuff. But in the same post I did defend her and everyone else by stating everyone has a slump and can't be expected to sell mega albums. I realize you don't like when it gets ugly regarding making jokes or cracks abt a celebrity, it turns into an uglyfest, with no real opinions or facts. I agree. I only gave my opinions on this thread abt talent on both the females subjects. Up until you came into the discussion Janice, I had only made three posts and one of them was merely this: :rofl:... I can't say that was the case for everyone else, but I can at least say for myself I held back. :lol: And you know that is different than what I usually say Janice. ;)

I never have like Jlo either. I think she is a nice looking decent actress although I have only seen her in one movie, Selena. She can't sing in my opinion. The reason I really dont like her is I feel that she used the movie of Selena to rise to the top. Selena was an amazing person that noone really knew about until she died and i feel that Lopez used the success of the Selena movie to do that. That's just my opinion. Then later on I heard that she stole a beat that Mariah was using in one of her songs and released it before Mariah did. I also don't like the whole fur loving thing either.

I never have like Jlo either. I think she is a nice looking decent actress although I have only seen her in one movie, Selena. She can't sing in my opinion. The reason I really dont like her is I feel that she used the movie of Selena to rise to the top. Selena was an amazing person that noone really knew about until she died and i feel that Lopez used the success of the Selena movie to do that. That's just my opinion. Then later on I heard that she stole a beat that Mariah was using in one of her songs and released it before Mariah did. I also don't like the whole fur loving thing either.
I don't understand why having success in Selena is a bad thing. If anything, as you stated yourself here, the movie showed the world what an amazing person Selena was and how tragic it was that she died. To me, that's a good thing. Before that movie, I just knew that a pretty Latino singer had died. Plenty of actors make bio-pics.

As for stealing music, lol. Mariah is no stranger to plagiarism. She paid a million dollars to make one case go away, that little thief. :lol:

http://www.foxnews.com/printer_friendly_story/0,3566,128514,00.htm

I don't understand why having success in Selena is a bad thing. If anything, as you stated yourself here, the movie showed the world what an amazing person Selena was and how tragic it was that she died. To me, that's a good thing. Plenty of actors make bio-pics.

As for stealing music, lol. Mariah is no stranger to plagiarism. She paid a million dollars to make one case go away, that little thief. :lol:

http://www.foxnews.com/printer_friendly_story/0,3566,128514,00.htm

It says Page cannot be found Janice. :(

Ahhh another reason I don't care for J.Lo and Mariah, they resort to that music where you find the need to sample songs and can't come up with original music! How many hip-hop songs have to be remixed, sampled, re-remixed, re-re-remixed? :lol: :lol: I hate hearing the background of a song knowing it has be rehashed so many times. C'mon people, hear me roar!!!! :lol:

Link doesn't work. Plus I have no idea what your talking about. It doesn't matter what anyone says i will never like Jlo.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,128514,00.html

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www.sethsroom.com ("]Mariah: Songwriters Get Permission to Sue[/URL]

Mariah Carey's in trouble again regarding plagiarism.

A California appeals court has done the one thing Carey must fear most in life, aside from having to do business with Tommy Mottola again: It's reinstated a dismissed case and given two songwriters who claim Carey plagiarized them a chance to go ahead with their case.

The song in question is "Thank God I Found You," a No. 1 hit Mariah had in 1999 with the group Xscape singing back up and Jermaine Dupri credited as producer.

Songwriter Seth Swirsky — who's got 30 gold and platinum records and is married to the head of EMI Music Publishing — says that "Thank God" is in fact a re-doing of "Just One of Those Love Songs," a track he and Warryn Campbell wrote for Xscape.

A chain exists linking Dupri and Xscape (featuring regular Carey back-up singer Kandi Burruss) to Carey. But more interestingly, Swirsky — who is also well-known as a writer of baseball books — may have the smoking gun.

When he first discovered that he'd been ripped off, he called the studio where Carey recorded the song, and requested a copy of the work tape that was used when Carey was composing with producers Jimmy Jam Harris and Terry Lewis.

"You can hear Mariah saying to them, I have a tune stuck in my head," Swirsky told me yesterday. "They don't know, they're just writing down what she says."

Work tapes and notebooks of writing sessions have haunted Carey in other plagiarism cases, of which there have been plenty over the years.

One contentious, unresolved case — morally, if not legally — involved the song "Hero." Christopher Selletti, a limo driver, claimed that he wrote the lyrics as a poem, then handed them to his passenger, R&B legend Sly Stone, who in turn passed them to Carey.

Selletti was overpowered by Carey's lawyers at every turn through an arduous process, and the case was dismissed over and over by federal judge Denny Chin.

Nevertheless, questions linger, since Carey's defense was that she was commissioned to write the song as the theme for a Dustin Hoffman movie of the same name. But the movie "Hero" was released six weeks before Carey's workbook says she wrote the song.

Carey also got into trouble with a song she called "Can't Let Go." Writers Sharon Taber and Ron Gonzalez said it was their song, "Right Before My Eyes." Carey paid out $1 million to them in a settlement stipulating that no plagiarism ever took place.

On the work tape for that song, Carey tells collaborator Walter Afanasieff: "It's too much like our other song. ... What was the section from the George Michael thing?" At another point: "You know what doing it this, this way that I was thinking is more like a Janet Jackson thing where it's like ... not that I want to be like her. ..."

Before she spent the $1 million to make the Taber-Gonzalez case go away, Carey sent then-manager Randy Hoffman, partner of her then-husband Tommy Mottola, to see back-up singer Billy T. Scott, who had evidently played "Right Before My Eyes" for her.

Hoffman went in with a wire and recording device, hoping to get Scott to contradict himself. The tape transcript wound up in the public court record, and I got to hear it a few years ago.

"Your actions speak louder than words," Scott — who was also offered his own gospel album by Sony, according to sources — told an unsuccessful Hoffman at one point. "They always have."

Carey has several other blots on her record in the songwriting department, including lifting the music from Maurice White's famous hit by the Emotions, called "Best of My Love," and re-recording it without his permission or knowledge as "Emotions." White called his lawyers, who secured a hefty payment.

"Sampling is one thing," White said, "but she took the whole song."

Carey and company paid roughly half a million dollars to Detroit songwriter Kevin McCord; a musicologist had testified that "Make It Happen," which was credited to Carey and C&C Music Factory, had heavily borrowed from McCord's song, "I Want to Thank You," which had been a minor hit for Alicia Myers some years earlier — albeit recorded in a different key.

But Mariah has quite possibly met her match in Seth Swirsky, who says, "I don't consider her a bona fide songwriter." Unlike the writers in these other cases, he has the resources and the resumé to keep fighting for his rights.

"I'm trying to defend one of my children," he says.

Again, unlike in the other cases, Swirsky's other "children" are famous, including "Tell It to My Heart" for Taylor Dayne, and "Love Is a Beautiful Thing" for Al Green — currently heard in an Almay commercial.

He's had songs recorded by Celine Dion, Rufus Wainwright, Smokey Robinson and Air Supply. His own new album, "Instant Pleasure," full of Beatlesque pop songs, can be heard at [URL="http://www.sethsroom.com/).

I love that song by Mariah, "Can't Let Go" that is when she was really making some awesome ORIGINAL music. ;) I had no idea that song was plagiarised! :eek:

I didn't make the crack abt her album name. I "smilied" simply abt that name. John comes up with some funny stuff. But in the same post I did defend her and everyone else by stating everyone has a slump and can't be expected to sell mega albums. I realize you don't like when it gets ugly regarding making jokes or cracks abt a celebrity, it turns into an uglyfest, with no real opinions or facts. I agree. I only gave my opinions on this thread abt talent on both the females subjects. Up until you came into the discussion Janice, I had only made three posts and one of them was merely this: :rofl:... I can't say that was the case for everyone else, but I can at least say for myself I held back. :lol: And you know that is different than what I usually say Janice. ;)
Irene, you were a very good girl on this thread. ;) Listen, I don't want anyone to misunderstand me. All I'm saying here is that if I want to defend someone, anyone, I will. That's all. If someone wants to slam celebs I like, such as J-Lo, Janet, then get ready because I can dig up dirt on their idols. The Internet is a researcher's dream. :lol: It works both ways. If you can't beat 'em, join 'em, I guess.

The article says it was dismissed over and over again. No one has ever won a case against Mariah for plagiarisim.

Irene, you were a very good girl on this thread. ;) Listen, I don't want anyone to misunderstand me. All I'm saying here is that if I want to defend someone, anyone, I will. That's all. If someone wants to slam celebs I like, such as J-Lo, Janet, then get ready because I can dig up dirt on their idols. The Internet is a researcher's dream. :lol: It works both ways. If you can't beat 'em, join 'em, I guess.
And I can easily say that no one is perfect. :lol: Albeit when it has come to some slamming of Lucy, Roseanne or even Madonna :eek: I am there to defend too. ;) I know what you mean and how you feel. That is why this time I took a different route and kept it on the down low on this thread, except Janet Jackson, since she was not even the topic here. :lol: Believe me though, I have taken potshots at my faves as well, they are not immune from my slamfest. ;) :lol:

The article says it was dismissed over and over again. No one has ever won a case against Mariah for plagiarisim.
Neither has Jo-Lo, but you were quick enough to accuse her of stealing a beat. Mariah settled for a million bucks on one case. Looks like she couldn't prove her innocence there.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,128514,00.html

By Roger Friedman
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www.sethsroom.com ("]Mariah: Songwriters Get Permission to Sue[/URL]

Mariah Carey's in trouble again regarding plagiarism.

A California appeals court has done the one thing Carey must fear most in life, aside from having to do business with Tommy Mottola again: It's reinstated a dismissed case and given two songwriters who claim Carey plagiarized them a chance to go ahead with their case.

The song in question is "Thank God I Found You," a No. 1 hit Mariah had in 1999 with the group Xscape singing back up and Jermaine Dupri credited as producer.

Songwriter Seth Swirsky — who's got 30 gold and platinum records and is married to the head of EMI Music Publishing — says that "Thank God" is in fact a re-doing of "Just One of Those Love Songs," a track he and Warryn Campbell wrote for Xscape.

A chain exists linking Dupri and Xscape (featuring regular Carey back-up singer Kandi Burruss) to Carey. But more interestingly, Swirsky — who is also well-known as a writer of baseball books — may have the smoking gun.

When he first discovered that he'd been ripped off, he called the studio where Carey recorded the song, and requested a copy of the work tape that was used when Carey was composing with producers Jimmy Jam Harris and Terry Lewis.

"You can hear Mariah saying to them, I have a tune stuck in my head," Swirsky told me yesterday. "They don't know, they're just writing down what she says."

Work tapes and notebooks of writing sessions have haunted Carey in other plagiarism cases, of which there have been plenty over the years.

One contentious, unresolved case — morally, if not legally — involved the song "Hero." Christopher Selletti, a limo driver, claimed that he wrote the lyrics as a poem, then handed them to his passenger, R&B legend Sly Stone, who in turn passed them to Carey.

Selletti was overpowered by Carey's lawyers at every turn through an arduous process, and the case was dismissed over and over by federal judge Denny Chin.

Nevertheless, questions linger, since Carey's defense was that she was commissioned to write the song as the theme for a Dustin Hoffman movie of the same name. But the movie "Hero" was released six weeks before Carey's workbook says she wrote the song.

Carey also got into trouble with a song she called "Can't Let Go." Writers Sharon Taber and Ron Gonzalez said it was their song, "Right Before My Eyes." Carey paid out $1 million to them in a settlement stipulating that no plagiarism ever took place.

On the work tape for that song, Carey tells collaborator Walter Afanasieff: "It's too much like our other song. ... What was the section from the George Michael thing?" At another point: "You know what doing it this, this way that I was thinking is more like a Janet Jackson thing where it's like ... not that I want to be like her. ..."

Before she spent the $1 million to make the Taber-Gonzalez case go away, Carey sent then-manager Randy Hoffman, partner of her then-husband Tommy Mottola, to see back-up singer Billy T. Scott, who had evidently played "Right Before My Eyes" for her.

Hoffman went in with a wire and recording device, hoping to get Scott to contradict himself. The tape transcript wound up in the public court record, and I got to hear it a few years ago.

"Your actions speak louder than words," Scott — who was also offered his own gospel album by Sony, according to sources — told an unsuccessful Hoffman at one point. "They always have."

Carey has several other blots on her record in the songwriting department, including lifting the music from Maurice White's famous hit by the Emotions, called "Best of My Love," and re-recording it without his permission or knowledge as "Emotions." White called his lawyers, who secured a hefty payment.

"Sampling is one thing," White said, "but she took the whole song."

Carey and company paid roughly half a million dollars to Detroit songwriter Kevin McCord; a musicologist had testified that "Make It Happen," which was credited to Carey and C&C Music Factory, had heavily borrowed from McCord's song, "I Want to Thank You," which had been a minor hit for Alicia Myers some years earlier — albeit recorded in a different key.

But Mariah has quite possibly met her match in Seth Swirsky, who says, "I don't consider her a bona fide songwriter." Unlike the writers in these other cases, he has the resources and the resumé to keep fighting for his rights.

"I'm trying to defend one of my children," he says.

Again, unlike in the other cases, Swirsky's other "children" are famous, including "Tell It to My Heart" for Taylor Dayne, and "Love Is a Beautiful Thing" for Al Green — currently heard in an Almay commercial.

He's had songs recorded by Celine Dion, Rufus Wainwright, Smokey Robinson and Air Supply. His own new album, "Instant Pleasure," full of Beatlesque pop songs, can be heard at [URL="http://www.sethsroom.com/).


rofl, now Roger Friedman is trashing Mariah? :lol: :lol: :lol:

I guess he had to save credibility after it was outted that Benny Medina (Mariah's manager) paid him to slam Madonna (and J. Lo too) and praise Mariah. Email exchanges between them were hacked and posted online where they were acting like kids, and since then, Roger and Benny were both sent tons of hate mail from Madonna fans over it.

rofl, now Roger Friedman is trashing Mariah? :lol: :lol: :lol:

I guess he had to save credibility after it was outted that Benny Medina (Mariah's manager) paid him to slam Madonna (and J. Lo too) and praise Mariah. Email exchanges between them were hacked and posted online where they were acting like kids, and since then, Roger and Benny were both sent tons of hate mail from Madonna fans over it.
Good Lord, another conspriracy theory. This was an actual case, that took place in court. If you like, I can post another source. It happened.

Good Lord, another conspriracy theory. This was an actual case, that took place in court. If you like, I can post another source. It happened.
oh, I believe you. I've heard about the plagerism. I was just shocked that the article is written by Roger Friedman, someone who was on Mariah's managers payroll and was paid to write scathing articles about Madonna and Lopez in favor of Mariah.