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TV DVD Fan

02-01-2008, 11:34 PM

Well it's possible that the fifth disc is the 200th Anniversary episode

I doubt it. Seems unlikely that just one two-part episode would be included on a whole disc. The way I look at it, there are 25 episodes in the ninth season, not including the 200th (technically, it's a special, not an episode--- "Grease" is the 200th episode of the series itself). PHE has been hesistant recently to put more than 6 episodes on a disc for any release. I'm not really confident that 5 discs means extras---- it should, but come on people, we're talking Paramount here. I'm thinking that 5 episodes will be included on each disc, and maybe they'll throw in the 200th Episode Anniversary Special, but that's purely speculation on my part.

Extras would be great, though. Who knows, maybe they want to work up this release and "Becker" as much as they possibly can because of Ted's newfound success in "Damages."

gotsmart

02-02-2008, 11:38 PM

I think they would have no problem fitting 25 episodes on 4 discs (they did it recently w/ Sabrina season 2 which had 26 episodes). Also, doesn't an extra disc cost more money? Why make an extra disc when it isn't necessary? Watch, I keep wondering about the 5th disc and it will probably turn out to be an error. :lol:

zypherix

03-22-2008, 08:27 PM

Rear box art CLEARLY shows "200th episode celebration" to be included!

gotsmart

03-23-2008, 01:23 PM

http://www.tvshowsondvd.com/news/Cheers-Season-9-Rear-Cover-Art/9219

Yup, it's on disc 2! Can't wait!

SpunkiiMonkii7078

03-24-2008, 01:57 AM

I'm really happy the 200th episode celebration is on the DVD. I hope the rest of the DVD releases have some extras on them. :)

chipsaugratin

03-24-2008, 08:34 AM

JMFabiano524

03-24-2008, 09:38 AM

The box says "Some episodes may be edited..." Why? What is the point of buying DVDs of edited episodes? Why don't I just tape or TIVO syndicated broadcasts or the TVLand version? Can someone explain this to me? Is Paramount/CBS so lazy that they won't go find the original braodcast versions from the archives or the vaults or wherever they are kept? Have those originals disappeared? As the fans who have kept "Cheers" in business for 26 years, are we not entitled to an explanation? Am I the only one who's the least bit interested in getting what we are supposed to be getting - the original broadcast versions?

Either that or it's just carny for saying that there's things CBS can't/won't use on the DVD copies...especially with music rights issues. (This even applies to characters reciting song lyrics!) Also, a nitpick, but don't expect to see whatever original Paramount logo came at the end of these episodes. (not that they ever did on Cheers, apparently...as supposedly they all had the 1994 Mountain w/Viacom byline on DVD, right?)

All I know is that this seems to have gotten worse since the formation of CBS/Paramount for some reason. Regular Paramount on the other hand were coming out with some sets with the music, original logos, etc.

Well...at least CBS is honest about it, I guess. But better if you don't have to resort to that AT ALL. I dunno, I thought I could rally people against music clearance problems and all. But maybe it's just a sad fact of DVD life?

I guess you can all hope that the warning refers to subtle changes this time around? Not being a big Cheers fan it probably won't make a difference to me (plus due to their practices I don't trust CBS/Paramount enough to even buy shows I liked). But I suppose so long as the essence of the humor and what you watched the show for are still there...

gotsmart

03-25-2008, 07:47 PM

Pretty much ALL Paramount/CBS DVD releases have the 'Some episodes may be editded...Some music may be changed." warning on their back covers. As the case with the other CBS DVDs, I highly doubt that the warning means there will be syndicated episodes. While there may be 1 or 2 episodes missing around 30 seconds of footage do to licensing problems, it's unlikely that there will be edits on every episode. Yes, minor edits are annoying but they make DVD releases possible if there are licensing problems. I would rather have a few seconds cut out rather than the studio not release the set at all. It's just something us TV DVD fans have to accept.

zypherix

03-26-2008, 06:48 AM

Couldnt be as bad as the ALF dvds anyway - syndicated prints of almost every episode... every bit of music and music reference removed.. some episodes running shorter than 18 minutes..

rc.uk

03-31-2008, 01:43 PM

I really don't care whether any or all episodes are edited or not. In the UK, Cheers hasn't been on TV for well over a year so I welcome its release on DVD in any form. It's either that, or nothing at all. I know which I prefer...

tiff7

03-31-2008, 04:56 PM

hey Peter May, luv your avatar, lol. I really hope seasons 10 & 11 come out this yr! If not, I'll be sending some hate mail to Paramount, I really mean it this time. :)

zypherix

04-16-2008, 06:23 AM

I got my season nine DVD today and decided to check the episode runtimes to see if there are any obvious edits, results:

Love is a Really, Really, Perfectly Okay Thing 23:56
Cheers Fouls Out 23:53
Rebecca Redux 23:07
Where Nobody Knows Your Name 23:58
Ma Always Liked You Best 22:43
Grease 22:55
Breaking in is Hard to Do 23:56
Cheers 200th Anniversary Special (1 hr Episode) 43:25
Bad Neighbor Sam 23:27
Veggie-Boyd 22:12
Norm and Cliff's Excellent Adventure 23:41
Woody Interruptus 23:56
Honor Thy Mother 23:46
Achilles Hill 23:56
The Days of Wine and Neuroses (1) 23:58
Wedding Bell Blues (2) 22:39
I'm Getting My Act Together and Sticking it in Your Face 23:57
Sam Time Next Year 23:16
Crash of the Titans 23:12
It's a Wonderful Wife 23:02
Cheers Has Chili 23:32
Carla Loves Clavin 23:53
Pitch It Again, Sam 23:47
Rat Girl 23:12
Home Malone 23:11
Uncle Sam Wants You 23:25

Im a bit suspicious with the "Veggie Boyd" episode as it only runs 22:12, note that there have been episodes originally running shorter. Other than that they seem mostly unedited. I got no copies to compare these to, so I cant check whether anything is missing or not.

BeatleMoe

04-16-2008, 07:39 AM

zypherix

04-16-2008, 07:50 AM

The 200th episode doesnt run a lot longer than 23 minutes each when seperated into two parts, and the second part has a FOUR MINUTE recap of what happend in the first as well as part one has one minute of end credits tagged on.. so I think its okay.

Episode 5 "Ma Always Liked You Best" IS edited. Roughly ten seconds is missing when Carla, Frasier and Sam are trying to help Norm, who got stuck in the poolroom window. Sam is trying to pull Norm out when Carla returns with a beer, the ten seconds showing Carla returning is not present on the DVD.

Episode 10 "Veggie Boyd" IS unedited, even though it only runs at 22:12. Compared and verified it to a non-syndicated tv airing.

Episode 16 "Wedding Bell Blues" is missing the recap from the previous episode but no other footage.

basementartie

04-19-2008, 01:32 AM

How did you already get the DVD before its official release? Why isn't everyone else here going nuts asking the same thing? :P

zypherix

04-19-2008, 06:40 AM

Preordered it from a webshop :)

chipsaugratin

04-19-2008, 10:01 AM

I'd be concerned with the 43:25 runtime for the one hour special. Most hour episodes of sitcoms ran around 46 minutes in that period. Of course, CBS/Paramount warned us that episodes had been edited from their network versions.

Yes, they warned us and music changes don't bother me much. But it still stinks, and it bothers me very much when content - i.e., story and jokes - are edited from the show for DVD. I will give you 2 examples:

(A) Cliff's very funny dissertation on the plot of "Failsafe" during "Bar Wars III: The Return of Tecumseh" from season 8;

(B) In season 7, "Please Mr. Postman"' we discover that Rebecca's "butter knees" song is "You've Lost That Lovin Feeling," but Sam turns on his cassette player and "Unchained Melody"' is playing; yet, during the Season 8 premier, "The Improbable Dream, Part 1" on DVD, Sam turns on a radio and we can hear "You've Lost That Lovin Feeling." Does anybody understand that inconsistency?

I guess my major problem is how this is just such a betrayal of the implicit promise of TV series on DVD - buying the orginal unedited episodes, not edited-for-syndicated versions. That disclaimer protects CBS/Paramount from legal liability but it doesn't release their moral responsability to the fans and to the creators, Jim Burrows and the Charles brothers.

Maybe I am alone in the wilderness on this issue, and others will think I overreact. But I can't change my mind.

zypherix

04-19-2008, 10:12 AM

It might be a fee for every TIME a song is used, sad that they have to change it.. but its better than footage missing I guess.
Unfortunatly I've noticed at least one episode (yet) of season 9 that has footage missing, only ten seconds but still.. My guess is that Carla sings the "Winnie the Pooh" theme, in spoof of Norm being stuck in the window.

The 200th episode is not edited, even though it runs at only 43 minutes.

drcrane

04-20-2008, 07:26 PM

zypherix

04-20-2008, 08:16 PM

I am not buying season 9 of Cheers. After almost 2 years of waiting for it's release, it's very disappointing how the greedy CBS/Paramount corporations decided to let down it's fans. It's amazing how many episodes/segments are butchered from this classic sitcom. The 200th was originally 46 1/2 minutes, not 43 1/2. "Wedding Bell Blues" has the scenes from the last episode missing. And many more episodes have edits.
I encourage all fans not to buy this dvd set. But I do encourage fans to write to the CBS/Paramount Corporation letting them know that they will buy season 9 if they come out with a new dvd set that is COMPLETE.

Um.. you actually have some proof of other episodes being edited? Ive only noticed two so far.. (Wedding Bell Blues & Ma Always Liked you Best) and.. its only a recap, no other footage is missing.

I have the 200th episode split into two parts on tape (And this is not from a american syndicated airing, but rather unedited australian one..), and the version on DVD is actually LONGER. Remember that when split into two parts the first part need to have end credits added, thats about 50 seconds or so. The second part needs a recap and intro added as well, which adds FOUR minutes.

When cut into two episodes, the first part ends with the clip of Diane leaving the show, second part begins with the Frasier clips. Inbetween these there is the clip of an old Sam and Diane dancing, which is cut out when the episode is cut into two parts, in fact the second part has several clips removed when split into two parts.

To sum up.. even though it runs short, the 200th episode is indeed unedited.

drcrane

04-20-2008, 09:16 PM

Um.. you actually have some proof of other episodes being edited? Ive only noticed two so far.. (Wedding Bell Blues & Ma Always Liked you Best) and.. its only a recap, no other footage is missing.

I have the 200th episode split into two parts on tape (And this is not from a american syndicated airing, but rather unedited australian one..), and the version on DVD is actually LONGER. Remember that when split into two parts the first part need to have end credits added, thats about 50 seconds or so. The second part needs a recap and intro added as well, which adds FOUR minutes.

When cut into two episodes, the first part ends with the clip of Diane leaving the show, second part begins with the Frasier clips. Inbetween these there is the clip of an old Sam and Diane dancing, which is cut out when the episode is cut into two parts, in fact the second part has several clips removed when split into two parts.

To sum up.. even though it runs short, the 200th episode is indeed unedited.

Do you have proof that the 200th is unedited? I do. I recorded the 200th when it was originally on NBC. It ran approximately 46 1/2 mins. "Bad Neighbor Sam" ran closer to 24 mins. On the dvd set it runs only 23 1/2 mins. On "Ma Always Liked You Best", I enjoyed the part with the Winnie the Pooh tune. There's no reason why it has to be cut on the dvd set. There are probably other episodes that are edited, other than the ones mentioned. It seems wrong that both fans and consumers of dvd sets can't get the original show. After all, we are consumers who are supporting these multi million dollar corporations. So why can't we get the complete show for the money?

TV DVD Fan

04-20-2008, 09:37 PM

Do you have proof that the 200th is unedited? I do. I recorded the 200th when it was originally on NBC. It ran approximately 46 1/2 mins. "Bad Neighbor Sam" ran closer to 24 mins. On the dvd set it runs only 23 1/2 mins. On "Ma Always Liked You Best", I enjoyed the part with the Winnie the Pooh tune. There's no reason why it has to be cut on the dvd set. There are probably other episodes that are edited, other than the ones mentioned. It seems wrong that both fans and consumers of dvd sets can't get the original show. After all, we are consumers who are supporting these multi million dollar corporations. So why can't we get the complete show for the money?

Not to be disrespectful, but you really don't know what you're talking about. Even if you "liked" the Winnie the Pooh part (which I don't even remember from that episode), the company can't show it because Paramount doesn't own the rights to Winnie the Pooh, and if they were to get them, it would cost money--- money which PHE simply is not willing to pay. They've been editing ALOT lately, which is unfortunate. However, that's the way DVD companies work sometimes. Sometimes it just sucks to be the fan. I see no reason to not purchase this season if only 10 seconds of footage is cut. If we followed that logic for every DVD release that had something missing on it from the originally aired episodes, we'd all have no TV-DVDs. And you're nitpicking over 30 seconds for "Bad Neighbor Sam," especially when you don't even have evidence that anything was cut. Every once in a while a show's running times from week-to-week vary due to commercials and what-have-you. Current episodes of MY NAME IS EARL on my DVD sets range from a little over 20 minutes to excess of 23 minutes per show.

And another thing: We all waited for season nine for two years to be released as many have previously acknowledged. BE THANKFUL WE'RE GETTING ANYTHING FROM PARAMOUNT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! And the 200th episode isn't really even an episode; just a special, which PHE really didn't have to include on the set. Pep up, people---- IT'S ALMOST HERE!

TV DVD Fan

04-20-2008, 09:38 PM

drcrane

04-21-2008, 12:45 AM

My only point is that people who want edited versions of shows can watch reruns on tv. If they want to pay for collectors dvd sets of classic shows like Cheers, they deserve the original. It is a valid gripe if portions are missing. Fans have a right to be upset. I do know what "I'm talking about." Wait till the reviews start coming in from fans complaining about edits. They will show up on sites such as this or on Amazon. I've read comments where fans were very upset about edits on Happy Days, Frasier or even The Odd Couple. They even vowed to boycott future dvd releases of "The Odd Couple" over missing music/songs because of edits. If you don't believe me, read the reviews when they come out on this dvd set of Cheers. This is why I want the original dvd set for seasons 9-11 so sales won't drop off.

zypherix

04-21-2008, 06:17 AM

I compared the vhs tape i have of the 200th episode to the dvd, and I dont notice any scenes missing on the DVD..

Edit: Ooh, found scenes missing actually:

In the second part during Frasier's clips, the entire clip of his mention of the radio song, and the lines "Everybody get down tonight, everybody wang chung tonight", is missing, roughly 28 seconds.

Second is during the song part of the clip show, where Cliff's rendition of "Misty" is missing, thats another 28 seconds.

Third is the gang singing the irish lullaby to Carla's baby over the phone, 15 seconds or so

Fourth is the gang humming the theme to.. something I dont remember, 35 seconds there.

Guess I was wrong then, sorry.
At least its only clips from previous episodes that is missing.

Now is it just me or have a lot of DVD companies lately been reeeally cheaping out on the DVDs?
Not as bad as the ALF dvds.. but still bad, at least Cheers used non-syndicated episodes and only remove music cause of licensing rights.

chipsaugratin

04-21-2008, 01:06 PM

It is good to know I am not alone on this, that others are equally passionate about the edited episodes issue.

zypherix

04-21-2008, 05:57 PM

Bad Neighbor Sam has some small but very odd edits, (compared this to a german aired episode), first its 10 seconds with Frasier discussing mr Hill, not sure what he's talking about, then its about 6-7 seconds of Frasier, Norm and Cliff looking at the wall (just before Sam comes down from Melvilles), next is roughly 10 seconds of Carla telling Sam to use dynamite to blow the wall up.

samanddiane4eva

04-21-2008, 09:56 PM

That edit does sound odd. Maybe they were they talking about Looney Tunes? Or something terrorist like?

BensonFan

04-21-2008, 10:15 PM

While I agree it's a disappointment as a fan to not get the entire 9th season UNCUT/UNEDITED, I also agree with the person who said it's a good thing we're seeing it at all. I kept hearing rumors they were going to quit after Season 8 because S8 sales were not what they wanted. I truly hope at some point, we can get the edited portions in their entirety but for now I welcome S9 as is with open arms.

zypherix

04-22-2008, 06:08 AM

Either way the episodes are *mostly* unedited though.. I really doubt that the 23:55 episodes are edited ;) and.. since the "Veggie Boyd" episode originally ran short you can never be sure unless you compare any episode. Im just glad we got em on DVD.. now the wait for season ten begins :p

BeatleMoe

04-22-2008, 07:27 AM

I'm okay with minor edits to a set, I'm thankful we're getting season 9 period. And most episodes are in the 23+ minute timeframe. The only thing I'd have a problem with is paying the same price for an incomplete season as opposed to a complete season. Now, if there is a music bit in an episode that pertains to a gag or storyline, and it's been changed, then I'd have to question it. But still, I plan on getting this season.

chipsaugratin

04-22-2008, 08:55 AM

BensonFan

04-22-2008, 08:43 PM

If I wanted edited episodes, I would have taped them or TIVOed them from syndication.

Your point is well-taken, but I would add one thing here: when I tape episodes they usually end up being about 20 or 21 minutes (including intro & closing credits). So what I'm hearing is most of these episodes are 23, 24 minutes? If that's the case, they should be damn near complete. So I can see your point in a sense; if they went this far, why not just give us 100%?

But anyway, I'll take 23 or 24 minutes over 20 or 21. I'm sure that extra two minutes are parts you would NEVER see on TV Land.

Skywalker

04-22-2008, 10:17 PM

But anyway, I'll take 23 or 24 minutes over 20 or 21. I'm sure that extra two minutes are parts you would NEVER see on TV Land.

Me too. :) Yeah, it kinda sucks that 4 or 5 episodes are edited, but what about the 20 or so that are unedited? The cuts are rather minor too, IMO. Not really anything memorable, to me.

TV DVD Fan

04-22-2008, 11:43 PM

I can't agree with the attitude of being "thankful." CBS/Paramount is selling something to me, they want my money. They should be doing everything possible to satisfy the consumer, the fan. It is not my responsability to be grateful if they deign to release edited episodes. If I wanted edited episodes, I would have taped them or TIVOed them from syndication.

What's more, if I was a series creator - a James Burrows or a Charles brother - or a producer, or a writer of an episode, I would be furious at how they are butchering my work. (I realize that the money earned probably assuages the anger.)

Again, I am not necessarily talking about music edits. I am talking about edits to content - story and joke.

The company should be looking to please the customer, but the companies just DON'T CARE anymore. THAT is why I'm thrilled to even get CHEERS: SEASON NINE, especially considering that ALOT of my favorite shows appear to have been abandoned for future releases. I'm not talking sending them flowers or anything; I'm just GLAD that I can FINALLY own season nine of CHEERS on DVD. Way to take something out of context. And you obviously didn't understand what I was trying to say in my post regarding the edits (as well as drcrane): in an ideal world, I would LOVE to have every second of material as originally aired. But we just don't live in that world. Sometimes we just have to accept the facts; no matter how much we "boycott" these products, the less the companies are going to care. Nothing's going to be "fixed." (Alot of people abandoned ALF on DVD until the unedited episodes were released.... nothing) Just buy the damn things already if you like the show, so we can get ANYTHING else out of these damn studios pertaining to our favorite shows (such as Cheers)! I'm not jumping for joy over Shout! releasing OZZIE AND HARRIET with 5-9 minutes of footage missing from each episode; but I'm just facing facts, which is what all of you have to do: we're NEVER going to get these sets re-released in any way, shape or form. It's either this OR NOTHING! And all of you people complaining will be the first ones on here saying "Where's Season Ten?", as if you always just need something to whine about! Then that'll come out, you'll say 10 seconds is missing from some episode, and then you'll find something else to complain about.

A majority of the people here are HAPPY with this release coming out, as am I. So just stop crying and buy the set... or don't. It's a free country. Don't try to dissuade everyone else from buying the set just because some of you are perfectionists. We're never going to get perfection.

Oh, and by the way drcrane, there are no edited FRASIER episodes on at least seasons one through four and eleven. Just because there is a disclaimer doesn't mean anything is actually missing. (But for some reason it's like you just WANT TO find something missing---- that's the power of suggestion I guess)

drcrane

04-23-2008, 12:32 AM

The company should be looking to please the customer, but the companies just DON'T CARE anymore. THAT is why I'm thrilled to even get CHEERS: SEASON NINE, especially considering that ALOT of my favorite shows appear to have been abandoned for future releases. I'm not talking sending them flowers or anything; I'm just GLAD that I can FINALLY own season nine of CHEERS on DVD. Way to take something out of context. And you obviously didn't understand what I was trying to say in my post regarding the edits (as well as drcrane): in an ideal world, I would LOVE to have every second of material as originally aired. But we just don't live in that world. Sometimes we just have to accept the facts; no matter how much we "boycott" these products, the less the companies are going to care. Nothing's going to be "fixed." (Alot of people abandoned ALF on DVD until the unedited episodes were released.... nothing) Just buy the damn things already if you like the show, so we can get ANYTHING else out of these damn studios pertaining to our favorite shows (such as Cheers)! I'm not jumping for joy over Shout! releasing OZZIE AND HARRIET with 5-9 minutes of footage missing from each episode; but I'm just facing facts, which is what all of you have to do: we're NEVER going to get these sets re-released in any way, shape or form. It's either this OR NOTHING! And all of you people complaining will be the first ones on here saying "Where's Season Ten?", as if you always just need something to whine about! Then that'll come out, you'll say 10 seconds is missing from some episode, and then you'll find something else to complain about.

A majority of the people here are HAPPY with this release coming out, as am I. So just stop crying and buy the set... or don't. It's a free country. Don't try to dissuade everyone else from buying the set just because some of you are perfectionists. We're never going to get perfection.

Oh, and by the way drcrane, there are no edited FRASIER episodes on at least seasons one through four and eleven. Just because there is a disclaimer doesn't mean anything is actually missing. (But for some reason it's like you just WANT TO find something missing---- that's the power of suggestion I guess)

Just to correct you, seasons 9 and 10 of Frasier are edited. Season 9 of Frasier is missing the clip show from the 200th episode. And Season 10 has many butchered episodes. If you don't believe it, check the reviews on Amazon. There are lots of angry fans.
And I have just as much right to persuade those to abandon the sets as you have to promote them. After all, it was me who pushed to get this season 9 of Cheers on dvd. I did convince people to buy season 8. But I'm disappointed in CBS/Paramounts choice to edit the shows. I did tell the fans to write to Paramount telling them that they will buy season 9 if they issue a set that is "complete". So please check the facts before distorting my positions in regard to the dvd sets of Cheers. I've been very consistent on where I stand on season 9.

TV DVD Fan

04-23-2008, 11:41 AM

Just to correct you, seasons 9 and 10 of Frasier are edited. Season 9 of Frasier is missing the clip show from the 200th episode. And Season 10 has many butchered episodes. If you don't beleive it, check the reviews on Amazon. There are lots of angry fans.
And I have just as much right to persuade those to abandon the sets as you have to promote them. After all, it was me who pushed to get this season 9 of Cheers on dvd. I did convince people to buy season 8. But I'm disappointed in CBS/Paramounts choice to edit the shows. I did tell the fans to write to Paramount telling them that they will buy season 9 if they issue a set that is "complete". So please check the facts before distorting my positions in regard to the dvd sets of Cheers. I've been very consistent on where I stand on season 9.

You're very inconsistent actually. And you're just going to prove my point even further now; you were mad that they weren't releasing season nine; now you're mad that they are! It's like you're saying you wish they didn't even make an effort, which is what they usually do. For once they're putting in some effort by releasing it! And I said I could only speak for seasons one through for and eleven with the FRASIER situation. Maybe you should read my posts more clearly before saying that you're so "consistent." Your views are anything but. And from your last post (which is kind of unclear in this regard), I infer that you thought season eight was edited as well--- which it wasn't. And like I said, it's a free country. Nobody's holding a gun to your head and saying buy it. Either buy it or don't... just stop complaining, because at least it's finally coming out!!! Complete or not! Wow, 10 seconds are missing--- forget it- the nerve! Fans of WKRP and HD actually had a right to bitch because those shows were heavily edited... but give me a break with this crap. The shows are all within the normal running times for the 1990-91 season. You'd be hard-pressed to find a set with less edits than CHEERS: SEASON NINE. Almost every show imaginable out there on DVD has at least one edit SOMEWHERE. Even I LOVE LUCY did, and those DVDs were the best TV-DVDs on the market (second possibly only to SEINFELD)!

And by the way, the Frasier SPECIAL!!! that aired in season nine was just that--- not an episode. It didn't have to be included on that set, although it would've been nice. They weren't obligated to include it though. Please let's just end this now, I'm not trying to make enemies, I'm just trying to promote a set that I truly believe in. But like we BOTH seem to agree on, it's a free country. You have just as much right to voice your opinion as I do. At the end of the day, neither one of us is going to agree with the other. So let's just agree to disagree.

I do ask you though to please start a complaint thread and leave this one for the fans. Please! And just one more point: like I said before, you're not going to get anything better than this from PHE. If you are a CHEERS fan, just buy it already. Holding out for a better release isn't going to get you one.

drcrane

04-23-2008, 12:15 PM

You're very inconsistent actually. And you're just going to prove my point even further now; you were mad that they weren't releasing season nine; now you're mad that they are! It's like you're saying you wish they didn't even make an effort, which is what they usually do. For once they're putting in some effort by releasing it! And I said I could only speak for seasons one through for and eleven with the FRASIER situation. Maybe you should read my posts more clearly before saying that you're so "consistent." Your views are anything but. And from your last post (which is kind of unclear in this regard), I infer that you thought season eight was edited as well--- which it wasn't. And like I said, it's a free country. Nobody's holding a gun to your head and saying buy it. Either buy it or don't... just stop complaining, because at least it's finally coming out!!! Complete or not! Wow, 10 seconds are missing--- forget it- the nerve! Fans of WKRP and HD actually had a right to bitch because those shows were heavily edited... but give me a break with this crap. The shows are all within the normal running times for the 1990-91 season. You'd be hard-pressed to find a set with less edits than CHEERS: SEASON NINE. Almost every show imaginable out there on DVD has at least one edit SOMEWHERE. Even I LOVE LUCY did, and those DVDs were the best TV-DVDs on the market (second possibly only to SEINFELD)!

And by the way, the Frasier SPECIAL!!! that aired in season nine was just that--- not an episode. It didn't have to be included on that set, although it would've been nice. They weren't obligated to include it though. Please let's just end this now, I'm not trying to make enemies, I'm just trying to promote a set that I truly believe in. But like we BOTH seem to agree on, it's a free country. You have just as much right to voice your opinion as I do. At the end of the day, neither one of us is going to agree with the other. So let's just agree to disagree.

I do ask you though to please start a complaint thread and leave this one for the fans. Please! And just one more point: like I said before, you're not going to get anything better than this from PHE. If you are a CHEERS fan, just buy it already. Holding out for a better release isn't going to get you one.

TV DVD Fan, lots of fans are outraged by the edits. There are lots of parts missing from the Cheers episodes, more than "10 seconds", from some episodes, documented by other posters. I feel that its important that fans know what they're buying before they purchase it. All the sites are deceptively listing it as "complete" when it isn't. Once the reviews start coming in, fans will be outraged by the edits and will threaten to boycott future DVD sets of Cheers. This is evident of the Odd Couple season 3.
And I am consistent. You are rather mendacious for implying I said season 8 of Cheers was cut. I never implied that. If anything, I wanted people to buy 8 so we can get 9. But I don't want the episodes to be cut. I will be writing to Paramount/CBS about this. Is there anything wrong with fans/consumers standing up for their rights? Anyone who pays for something has a right to complain about a less than perfect product, right? Is this not a democracy called America? Aren't all view points important?
Also, you're wrong on Frasier. Seasons 9 and 10 on Frasier are not"complete". And this is why they are not listed as"complete."
Did you ever notice that? Either way you spin season 9 of Frasier, the clip show is still missing which was originally part of the network airing on NBC.
TV DVD Fan, "If you Can't stand the heat, get out of the kitchen."

chipsaugratin

04-23-2008, 05:50 PM

Is this not a democracy called America? Aren't all view points important?."

Actually, I live in Canada!

basementartie

04-24-2008, 10:37 PM

I remember when Cheers used to be a happy place. Now it's all fighting over the Winny the Pooh theme and stuff :(

zypherix

04-25-2008, 04:53 PM

I remember when Cheers used to be a happy place. Now it's all fighting over the Winny the Pooh theme and stuff :(

Most people are happy that the 9th season is finally out though :)
At least its only SECONDS removed (except for the 200th episode, and those were still only clips from previous episodes), and not minutes like ALF and other DVDs. (ALF had 3-6 minutes from each episode cut out on DVD, making the eps run 18-21 minutes instead of 23-24.)

Some shows are released by different companies in other regions, and there is a chance that they may be unedited, as were the case with Roseanne, The Cosby Show and 3rd Rock From the Sun's first seasons on DVD, while syndicated in the US they were released unedited in Germany, Australia and UK respectivly. (the UK season one of Roseanne was syndicated although the German one wasnt, Australian one was 99% unedited)

gotsmart

04-25-2008, 05:13 PM

TV DVD Fan

04-26-2008, 09:26 PM

Boycotting the release because of a few minor edits is a BIG mistake. We need to support this release in order to get the final 2 seasons on DVD. Plus, like previously mentioned these episodes ARE NOT syndicated episodes. While I would love to have them completely unedited it is inevitable. If Paramount didn't edit these episodes a little bit than they would have never released it on DVD.

Exactly! That is my only point drcrane. And once again, read carefully before lambasting me--- I said I wasn't sure if you were saying that season eight was edited, because your wording was very ambiguous. Good, at least there's one thing cleared up. Gotsmart and the rest of you raise very good points. These are not major edits! Like I said, I'd love to have the COMPLETE episodes, but that just doesn't happen anymore... for any show! You'd be hardpressed to find a TV-DVD that didn't have at least ONE edit on it. If we all worked by your logic, none of us would have collections and we'd all be boycotters! I could see the logic for holding out on ALF with large chunks of each episode missing (and some plot points are missing as well!), but for small little edits, I could care less. But hey, we ARE all entitled to our own opinions---- as I've stated previously!

I think I stand for EVERYONE here when I say please start a complaint thread. Your points are valid, just not for this thread. This thread is supposed to be a happy one--- that the season's finally out on DVD! And like I said, I'm not trying to start fights here. So no, I'm not getting out of the kitchen, drcrane.

drcrane

04-27-2008, 12:37 PM

Exactly! That is my only point drcrane. And once again, read carefully before lambasting me--- I said I wasn't sure if you were saying that season eight was edited, because your wording was very ambiguous. Good, at least there's one thing cleared up. Gotsmart and the rest of you raise very good points. These are not major edits! Like I said, I'd love to have the COMPLETE episodes, but that just doesn't happen anymore... for any show! You'd be hardpressed to find a TV-DVD that didn't have at least ONE edit on it. If we all worked by your logic, none of us would have collections and we'd all be boycotters! I could see the logic for holding out on ALF with large chunks of each episode missing (and some plot points are missing as well!), but for small little edits, I could care less. But hey, we ARE all entitled to our own opinions---- as I've stated previously!

But hey, we ARE all entitled to our own opinions---- as I've stated previously!
This thread is supposed to be a happy one--- that the season's finally out on DVD! And like I said, I'm not trying to start fights here. So no, I'm not getting out of the kitchen, drcrane.

Tv Dvd Fan, how can where I stand on season 8 of Cheers be ambiguous when I was quoted as saying,"After all, it was me who pushed to get this season 9 of Cheers on dvd. I did convince people to buy season 8."
And with you saying,"But hey, we ARE all entitled to our own opinions---- as I've stated previously!", it seems rather inconsistent when you also state," I think I stand for EVERYONE here when I say please start a complaint thread. Your points are valid, just not for this thread." How can opinions be important if they can't be posted on this thread? I've always said,"Is there anything wrong with fans/consumers standing up for their rights? Anyone who pays for something has a right to complain about a less than perfect product, right? Is this not a democracy called America? Aren't all view points important?" The only one complaining on this site is you TV Dvd Fan. I appreciate all the passionate fans who have diverse opinions on this site. It's even educational when people point out the exact clips that are missing from the shows.
I'll rent sent 9 of Cheers. Then I encourage all fans to write to CBS/Paramount to see if they can release a complete version in the future.

drcrane

04-27-2008, 12:51 PM

Tv Dvd Fan, how can where I stand on season 8 of Cheers be ambiguous when I was quoted as saying,"After all, it was me who pushed to get this season 9 of Cheers on dvd. I did convince people to buy season 8."
And with you saying,"But hey, we ARE all entitled to our own opinions---- as I've stated previously!", it seems rather inconsistent when you also state," I think I stand for EVERYONE here when I say please start a complaint thread. Your points are valid, just not for this thread." How can opinions be important if they can't be posted on this thread? I've always said,"Is there anything wrong with fans/consumers standing up for their rights? Anyone who pays for something has a right to complain about a less than perfect product, right? Is this not a democracy called America? Aren't all view points important?" The only one complaining on this site is you TV Dvd Fan. I appreciate all the passionate fans who have diverse opinions on this site. It's even educational when people point out the exact clips that are missing from the shows.
I'll rent sent 9 of Cheers. Then I encourage all fans to write to CBS/Paramount to see if they can release a complete version in the future.

TV DVD Fan

04-27-2008, 11:01 PM

drcrane

04-28-2008, 12:48 AM

You really should learn how to write coherently. I doubt I was the only one shaking his head after reading your initial post. You said you were in support of the Cheers DVD sets, but you were going to not buy any more of them at the same time! Anyway, like I said, that was a mistake in translation. MY FAULT! SORRY! YOU'RE RIGHT!!! Now you can't lambaste me anymore for trying to apologize. I think I've made myself perfectly clear this time. One more time for emphasis... I'M SORRY!!!

But I'm still "in the kitchen," and I'm not backing down. You can't change my opinion, and I'm certainly not going to change yours. And you're saying I'm complaining? Was I the one who came on here bitching about 10-30 seconds from one or two episodes missing? No, I was one of the first people on here saying "Thank you God for Cheers: Season Nine finally coming out!" I thought I would never see it... that's why I'm so adamant about buying it... I've waited two years... I'm not going to be as flippant as you and say "No dice" just because of a few minor edits. I'm buying it... you're not. Case closed. Please stop criticizing me just because I want to buy this set. I never said you weren't entitled to your opinion, either. I would just really appreciate it if you started a complaint thread. Which is what EVERYBODY else does when they have a complaint. But if you don't want to, that's fine too! Keep raining on our parade here! I just refuse to keep this going anymore. We've been going back and forth for days now and neither of us are furthering our cause. CAN WE CALL A TRUCE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!?

Edit: I've taken the liberty of starting the complaint thread.

Hey TV DVD Fan, You really want to have a truce with such a truculent response as this,"And you're saying I'm complaining? Was I the one who came on here bitching about 10-30 seconds from one or two episodes missing? No, I was one of the first people on here saying "Thank you God for Cheers: Season Nine finally coming out!" I thought I would never see it... that's why I'm so adamant about buying it... I've waited two years... I'm not going to be as flippant as you and say "No dice" just because of a few minor edits. I'm buying it... you're not. Case closed. Please stop criticizing me just because I want to buy this set.
You'll be glad if you don't get removed from this site from using the b word. Isn't cursing not allowed on this site? If you would've ended it with the first paragraph you would've been fine. Your apology,"MY FAULT! SORRY! YOU'RE RIGHT!!! Now you can't lambaste me anymore for trying to apologize. I think I've made myself perfectly clear this time. One more time for emphasis... I'M SORRY!!!"

And how is not buying the dvd flippant? However, your temperament can be described that way. I would never stoop to that level that you took.

TV DVD Fan

04-29-2008, 08:15 AM

It was a sarcastic apology. I get very easily annoyed when I try to apologize a first time and all's you do is continue to lambaste me. I don't have time for this. I can't fight anymore. You win. If we could stop fighting and discuss the issue that'd be great. I'm sure everybody else is getting pretty tired of this... if they're even reading the thread anymore. I'm not going to say I'm sorry for standing up for something I believe in. But I will apologize for my tone... that was wrong. I'm just very passionate about something I believe in.

And I read the ninth season review... there is a couple of episodes that appear to be missing close to two minutes of footage. I spoke too soon. I can now definately see why you're mad, and I am too. But I'm still buying it... because let's go back in DVD time a bit, OK?

ALF fans held off for better season sets of that show... nothing.

OZZIE AND HARRIET fans were outraged over SHOUT!'s tremendous edits to that show... they held off... now they're releasing another edited set for THE BEST OF RICKY AND DAVE.

There are many cases where fans hold out for justice... but it just simply isn't obtained. You gotta face the fact that if you don't buy it, you're never going to get a better version of it. Especially from PHE... fans (including myself) are glad to just get it released the first time before hell freezes over!

At least you said you're going to rent it... but I still say that if you're a true CHEERS fan (or I should say a true CHEERS collector) you should add this one to your collection. Do you own any edited DVD sets? I'll admit I'm biased... because I do buy many edited DVD sets. But like I've said countless times before, if I didn't suck it up and buy the edited sets, my collection would contain approximately 95 percent less of the titles I currently own. I was just steamed when I posted my last rant... now I could calmly share with you my true thoughts on the issue. I'm sorry.

chipsaugratin

04-29-2008, 01:49 PM

I will tell you exactly why we will always lose - because we fanatics are vastly outnumbered by the casual viewers and purchasers of the DVD sets. There are plenty of people out there who do not give a rat's behind (Season 3, Peterson Crusoe) about how much was edited from the original broadcasts of "Cheers" or any show, for that matter. They will buy the set because they enjoyed the show the first time or in syndication. When they watch an episode, they might get a vague feeling that it includes something extra from the syndicated versions they have seen for 15 years, but in no way will they ever remember what went missing from the originals. I know I probably wouldn't be able to remember what is missing from seasons 9, 10 and 11, and I am a fanatic. Bottom line: I believe CBS/Paramount won't go to the extra expense to sell the original, unedited episodes because the cost of doing so is far greater than the lost sales from the fanatics like me.(They even went to cheaper packaging, to keep costs down and increase profit margins.)

I thought that perhaps alerting the creators would be a possible solution. I tried to send a letter about the situation to James Burrows, via his agent, after the season 8 DVD. If he even received the letter, it produced no results, other than perhaps the disclaimer on the package.

drcrane

04-29-2008, 02:09 PM

I do accept your apology TvDVDFan. I don't believe in holding gripes against anyone. However, we are all a team on this site since we have something in common-We all love Cheers, despite our differences on how the dvd sets are packaged. We should keep this site as the theme goes,"Where everybody knows your name, And they're always glad you came."
Chipsaugratin does have a point about the edits. Some of them are not just music lyrics-they're also "jokes and story line." I don't understand why these parts are cut from some of these episodes. Also, how come some of the songs like the Irish Lullabuy on the 200th episode are cut but are not edited on the actual episode from the previous dvd set?
If anybody has an address to contact Paramount/CBS about this, please post it on this site. Thanks...

tiff7

04-29-2008, 02:47 PM

Most people are happy that the 9th season is finally out though :)
At least its only SECONDS removed (except for the 200th episode, and those were still only clips from previous episodes), and not minutes like ALF and other DVDs. (ALF had 3-6 minutes from each episode cut out on DVD, making the eps run 18-21 minutes instead of 23-24.)

Some shows are released by different companies in other regions, and there is a chance that they may be unedited, as were the case with Roseanne, The Cosby Show and 3rd Rock From the Sun's first seasons on DVD, while syndicated in the US they were released unedited in Germany, Australia and UK respectivly. (the UK season one of Roseanne was syndicated although the German one wasnt, Australian one was 99% unedited) that happened w/Joey, starring Matt LeBlanc, the lovely Friends spin-off (I enjoyed the show, & when they pulled the plug, I wasn't 2 happy)
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zypherix

04-29-2008, 03:19 PM

It doesnt necessarily have to be two minutes missing from the episodes that run short, the Veggie-Boyd episode is verified to be 100% complete, even if it runs at 22:12ish.

TV DVD Fan

04-29-2008, 11:21 PM

It doesnt necessarily have to be two minutes missing from the episodes that run short, the Veggie-Boyd episode is verified to be 100% complete, even if it runs at 22:12ish.

That seems awfully short for an episode from the 90-91 season. But if it is definately unedited... okay. Thanks for finally coming to a truce with me, drcrane. I hate these board fights. I think many things are lost in translation when fighting via a message board. In my Theory of Knowledge class today (it's like epistomology for anyone unfamiliar with it), we were discussing the pitfalls of stuff like texting and online communication... it's very easy to become "misunderstood"--- for something that you said to be misconstrued. I think we were both victims of this, as I misconstrued alot of what you said, and you I. There's really no inflection or personal touch to speaking like this, so it's easy to think that I was truly mad when we were having our little "heated debate", however I really wasn't. I was just speaking passionately one fan to another. I think we both made some good points and I have come to accept the fact that there indeed are some pretty heavy edits on the set. I still think Veggie Boyd is edited. I also find it quite puzzling that they aren't including certain things from the clip shows that were originally included on the other season sets. I'm probably going to order it tomorrow... maybe get it by Saturday or Monday. I'm hoping for the best.

And also, even though I am buying the set, that doesn't mean I'm not pissed. I think that's one of my points that I meant to get across but I never quite did. PHE is lazy--- they stopped with the extras at season three, they got a little dull with the cover arts for seasons six and seven, then with season eight the packaging got better. Then just as it seemed we were making improvement... they go FAMILY TIES on us, and give us the stupid Amaray-style packaging. I'm just buying it because I KNOW WE'RE NEVER GETTING ANYTHING ANY BETTER! I agree with your points chipsaugratin, the reason we're getting a sloppy presentation is because not enough interest is being shown in the show.