This case caught my eye early on. Just prior to writing this I sent an e-mail to one of the evening papers in Omaha to see if anything had come of the story. Josh Butler, the man who was tracing Curly's heirs, had listed the case as "closed" in a 1988 article prior to the airing of the UM episode.

What gets me most is that we have all the usual details needed for the start of a good "family tree" type search...provided that the facts are accurate. Given all that WE know...and that "they" must know even more...I am puzzled as to why this case has not been solved with so many clues and a plain track to follow.

1. Curly said he was born in Kendall Montana, Fergus County, just prior to 1900...I checked Kendall and it was a busy mining town at that time so that fits well.

2. Curly said he came to Nebraska from Denver, this was around 1914 or so and he was 16 at the time.

NOTE: WALTER Green should appear on both the 1900 and 1910 census records in either location at SOME point...and then in Omaha in 1920 and 1930.

3. Curly stated in writing that his birth Parents were Harry Albert Green of Englans and Ann Mauren of Latvia. Census records from the time should list their country of origin...they should even be included in the records from 1920 and 1930 as the people were asked where their parents were from. Curly may not have answered these questions...but I don't know, and the 1920 and 1930 census records had not been released in 1988.

4. Curly said that he had a Step-father in Denver in 1915 and that was his reason for leaving.

5. Curly served in ww1...though all Army service records since 1912 were destroyed by fire in 1973. Since he gave his parent's names and birth places on the 1938 birth certificate he may also have listed them on his enlistment papers.

I have traced ancestors and relatives with FAR less info than this, so, unless Curly was lying to EVERYONE, there must be a record somewhere.

Perhaps one of you out there with access to Ancestry.com or one of the other genealogy sites might check these names, dates, and places with their records...and then send the info along to Josh Butler in Ohio.

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This case caught my eye early on. Just prior to writing this I sent an e-mail to one of the evening papers in Omaha to see if anything had come of the story. Josh Butler, the man who was tracing Curly's heirs, had listed the case as "closed" in a 1988 article prior to the airing of the UM episode.

What gets me most is that we have all the usual details needed for the start of a good "family tree" type search...provided that the facts are accurate. Given all that WE know...and that "they" must know even more...I am puzzled as to why this case has not been solved with so many clues and a plain track to follow.

1. Curly said he was born in Kendall Montana, Fergus County, just prior to 1900...I checked Kendall and it was a busy mining town at that time so that fits well.

2. Curly said he came to Nebraska from Denver, this was around 1914 or so and he was 16 at the time.

NOTE: WALTER Green should appear on both the 1900 and 1910 census records in either location at SOME point...and then in Omaha in 1920 and 1930.

3. Curly stated in writing that his birth Parents were Harry Albert Green of Englans and Ann Mauren of Latvia. Census records from the time should list their country of origin...they should even be included in the records from 1920 and 1930 as the people were asked where their parents were from. Curly may not have answered these questions...but I don't know, and the 1920 and 1930 census records had not been released in 1988.

4. Curly said that he had a Step-father in Denver in 1915 and that was his reason for leaving.

5. Curly served in ww1...though all Army service records since 1912 were destroyed by fire in 1973. Since he gave his parent's names and birth places on the 1938 birth certificate he may also have listed them on his enlistment papers.

I have traced ancestors and relatives with FAR less info than this, so, unless Curly was lying to EVERYONE, there must be a record somewhere.

Perhaps one of you out there with access to Ancestry.com or one of the other genealogy sites might check these names, dates, and places with their records...and then send the info along to Josh Butler in Ohio.
did you ever find more info on Walter Green... I know i'm like super late but i was on the site that reported no family found etc bogus!

did you ever find more info on Walter Green... I know i'm like super late but i was on the site that reported no family found etc bogus!

I've tried to follow those leads listed in earlier post. I can come up with nothing definitive.

There are very few "Green" families in either Fergus County, or nearby Meagher County, MT. One Green family lives N.E. of Lewistown in Giltedge, MT in 1900, has a Robert W. Green that is b. in 1895, followed him out and he stayed in MT most of his life, his mother died first, so no stepdad.... Giltedge is a ghost town now.

Kendall was North of Lewistown, MT, near Hilger. Can't find what it is listed as on 1900 census. There is a large category of "misc. towns". Find only one other green family in Meagher county, Castle Mountain, S.W. of Lewistown on a Mountain. Names and ages don't match.

No Walter Green born in MT listed on WWI Draft Registrations on Ancestry.com.

Closest match was a Walter C. Green in Omaha, NE in 1920, age 20 born in NE, single, lodger, parents both listed as born in Indiana. Can't decipher occupation "helper ??? in ??? store". Can't for sure match him up with anyone on 1910 or 1930 census.

Usually I can take this much info. (if factual) and find something definitive, so I think the old geezer wasn't giving anyone the straight scoop.

You have found largely what I was able to find from online searching...IE...very little other than the 1920 census listing. There do seem to be FAR too many dead-end leads with regards to Mr. Green's past. Josh Butler and I have both now arrived at basically the same conclusion, that "Curly" was an orphan from Colorado who came east and then visited Montana later in life. We both feel that following WWI Curly seems to have made himself a "new" identity in Kendall Montana, possibly drawing on the legend of Al Green and the famous shootout from 1920.

Unfortunately, Mr. Green failed to realize that there was no Kendall, Montana in 1895 when he says he was born. the town was not formed until 1898. The birth Certificate shown on UM was likely Curly's way of applying for an SS number.

All signs now point to Curly being a man with a slate that was wiped clean from the begining, that of an orphan who never knew his family.

Unfortunately no, my leads in Denver proved to be more dead-ends, or at least ones that could neither be confirmed nor denied.

Nothing seems to jive in this case at all when the normal methods of research are applied, thus indicating an individual who likely never knew his own true family and was more than likely an orphan from the day he/she was born.

Both Josh Butler and I have arrived at this same conclusion. It sounds rather sad, but all signs point to Curly being a man who never knew his family what-so-ever and later on "invented" or "adopted" a past life of his own. It seems that Curly "adopted" the small town of Kendall, Montana as his birth place sometime after WWI. However, Curly apparently did not realize that Kendall did not even exist until 1898...3 years after the year he listed as his birth year on the 1938 Delayed Birth Cert. More than likely, Curly either invented or borrowed the data listed on the certificate so that he could obtain a Social Security number.

Why Kendall? Possibly the legend that grew out of the 1920 shootout with the man named Al Green. Turns out that this incident is more famous than the UM piece would lead you to believe.

None of the names listed on the 1938 delayed birth certificate appeared anywhere on either the 1880, 1900 or 1910 Census...no imigration listings or anything...and Curly himself does not even appear until 1920 in Omaha...and even then he was unable to give any data about his parents. So...if he did not know who they were in 1920...how was he to have any idea who they were 18 years later? Sadly, it appears likely that he DID NOT.

Now, you ask..."can this case still be solved"? Yes...but it will take something just shy of a miracle, something along the lines of an obscure newspaper article or a long-lost diary entry or perhaps a set of records from a Colorado orphanage that just happen to have survived for 114 years and have remained hidden.

Unfortunately no, my leads in Denver proved to be more dead-ends, or at least ones that could neither be confirmed nor denied.

Nothing seems to jive in this case at all when the normal methods of research are applied, thus indicating an individual who likely never knew his own true family and was more than likely an orphan from the day he/she was born.

Both Josh Butler and I have arrived at this same conclusion. It sounds rather sad, but all signs point to Curly being a man who never knew his family what-so-ever and later on "invented" or "adopted" a past life of his own. It seems that Curly "adopted" the small town of Kendall, Montana as his birth place sometime after WWI. However, Curly apparently did not realize that Kendall did not even exist until 1898...3 years after the year he listed as his birth year on the 1938 Delayed Birth Cert. More than likely, Curly either invented or borrowed the data listed on the certificate so that he could obtain a Social Security number.

Why Kendall? Possibly the legend that grew out of the 1920 shootout with the man named Al Green. Turns out that this incident is more famous than the UM piece would lead you to believe.

None of the names listed on the 1938 delayed birth certificate appeared anywhere on either the 1880, 1900 or 1910 Census...no imigration listings or anything...and Curly himself does not even appear until 1920 in Omaha...and even then he was unable to give any data about his parents. So...if he did not know who they were in 1920...how was he to have any idea who they were 18 years later? Sadly, it appears likely that he DID NOT.

Now, you ask..."can this case still be solved"? Yes...but it will take something just shy of a miracle, something along the lines of an obscure newspaper article or a long-lost diary entry or perhaps a set of records from a Colorado orphanage that just happen to have survived for 114 years and have remained hidden.

Thanks for you replies!

I agree with your theory that he was either an orphan since birth or shortly thereafter. OR he did come from some family, but didn't want to share that with anyone. He could have been say "John Klickenfritz" from Denver and be on the census with his family up to a point (gave false information all along after that. ), but for some reason doesn't want anyone to know his real identity. Why? I don't know. In that case the mystery may have an even smaller chance of being solved.

Is there a copy of the Delayed Birth Certificate available? Can someone send me a copy by email? They showed it on Unsolved Mysteries, so why is it not posted there or any other site? And the postcard from someone in Brooklyn, has anyone seen it? Does it have a name or return address? So many unanswered questions. By the way, did anyone ever locate the brother or information to validate that he was killed in a shootout as Curly Green stated? Additionally, does anyone have a photocopy of his handwritten signature that is available to be emailed? His last reported address? Thanks for your input.

The reason it isn't posted is it is an old case, and let's face it, most people don't give a damn, especially if it doesn't affect them in some way.

But here are the screenshots from the video.

http://c4.ac-images.myspacecdn.com/images02/117/l_0d62cfe9ceee4894a4abd6e4d3652c83.jpg


http://c1.ac-images.myspacecdn.com/images02/149/l_cb0981856d2144f0b61a2788a3dcefd0.jpg

IMHO, the easiet way for someone to find out information on Curley Green would have been to seek out his military records.
Unless they were destroyed in the 1973 National Archives fire, they would be the best source of information on Mr. Green's family and his place of origin.This segment has always been one of saddest to me. It's unfortunate that Mr. Green was unable to find a another companion and decided to live out his life alone.

When I saw this one again on Lifetime yesterday, I notice they deleted the friend that stopped by Green's house and asked him about the photos on his mantle. Sad story all the way around.

I finally saw this case for the first time today and have a quick possible update:

A wreath of flowers was sent to Curly's funeral with a card bearing the name "Mrs. Joseph Greener, Denver, Colorado".

That begs the obvious question: Perhaps Curly's surname was actually "Greener".

Anyhow, a quick search shows a Joseph Greener dying in Woodside, NY in March of 1969. Woodside is in Queens county. Brooklyn is in neighboring Kings county, where somebody used to send him postcards from. Joseph Greener was born 1/22/1887, just eight years before Curly.

Curly mentioned Denver as part of his past. I'm guessing that Joseph Greener's widow moved back to Denver from Brooklyn following the death of her husband.

Things we need to find:

-Obit/death certificate for Joesph Wheeler. These would (hopefully) list next of kin.

-Anyone with an ancestry.com membership should run checks on a Walter Greener in the World War One draft card scans (using the info we have from the birth certificate). These cards can provide us with an extra clue or two.

-Searches should also be run for Walter Green/Greener on that site, as well as Joseph.

Another interesting piece of info located:

A Josephine Greener died in Aurora, Colorado in 1982. She was born in 1901. There are only two women with the surname Greener listed as ever having died in Colorado. The eerie part is that Josephine's Social Security card was issued by Nebraska!:crazy:

Edit:The year 1930 finds Josephine Greener living in Omaha with husband Charlie and daughter Marine (B. 1924), so I suppose that the Brooklyn connection to Josephine doesn't fit.

1930 finds Joseph Greener living in Brooklyn. Although there is no mention of a Josephine, there is a "Betty" with the same year of birth (1901) living with Joseph. A Robert Greener (B. 1899) is also listed as living with them. Betty was born 1/1/1901 and died in June 1972. No further information on Robert can be found.

The search for Josephine might prove more beneficial than starting with Joseph.

Curly's grave:

http://www.findagrave.com/cgi-bin/fg.cgi?page=gr&GSln=green&GSfn=walter&GSbyrel=in&GSdyrel=in&GSst=31&GScntry=4&GSob=n&GRid=20494541&df=all&

No gravesite listings for Joseph or Josephine Greener could be found.

As the birth certificate shown was issued much later in life, I wonder how many of the dates/facts might be erroneous. For example, I did find a listing for the grave of an Albert H. Green in Denver, but he is shown as being born in 1848 as opposed to the 1855 listed on the birth certificate. He died in 1904, eight years before Curly showed up in Nebraska (and also giving enough time for Curly's mother to remarry). Finding Curly's mother might prove more difficult, as we don't have her married name.

I still would like to find out whether anyone ever located the brother in any documentation, or information to validate that he was killed in a shootout, as Curly Green stated? Thanks.

I still would like to find out whether anyone ever located the brother in any documentation, or information to validate that he was killed in a shootout, as Curly Green stated? Thanks.

None of us have, and Unsolved Mysteries couldn't either, so.

Looking at various records, even if a trickle of the information is accurate, it appears there is human error in spelling of names and accuracy in the remembrance of dates of occurrence. For example, I looked at the original video with Robert Stack of Unsolved Mysteries and listened to Catheryn Rominger. That would be the freshest facts provided, albeit decades later. She stated she was 9 years old and he was 16 at the time she met Walter Green. That year would then be 1913, based on census records. Remember that date.
Census records of 1910 show Catheryn Rominger's dob 1904, adding 9 years later, she and Curly met in 1913 when he was 16. If Walter Curly Brown was born 16 years earlier, that would make his dob 1897. (1920 Census records reflect Catherine (alternative spelling) Rominger as 16 years old and dob of 1904 which validates her dob). Curly states on his delayed birth certificate he was born Mar 22, 1895 which does not match with Catheryn's version that he was 16 when she was 9. Walter Curly Green does not show up as a resident in the Rominger household in 1920.
Catheryn Rominger states Curly enlisted in the Army "in 1917, when the United States entered the First World War" (the war lasted from August 4, 1914..some say July.. and ended on November 11, 1918). So did he enter earlier, in 1914?--that would match up better to the data provided. The video shows him returning to Schuyler, Nebraska looking for Jessamyn (a/k/a Jessie/Jestine based on census records). That year would probably have been early 1919, by my estimates.

But, then again, was Curly really 16 years old when Catheryn met him or was Walter Green really his name?

I wish I had a copy of Josh Butler's complete file. There has to be more data to ferret out because it is closest to Curly Green's death.

--->I always say, "Trust but Verify"!

I wonder if UM ever pursued or tried to find Mrs. Joseph Greener in Denver. RS did not mention the name until the end of the segment.

Looking at various records, even if a trickle of the information is accurate, it appears there is human error in spelling of names and accuracy in the remembrance of dates of occurrence. For example, I looked at the original video with Robert Stack of Unsolved Mysteries and listened to Catheryn Rominger. That would be the freshest facts provided, albeit decades later. She stated she was 9 years old and he was 16 at the time she met Walter Green. That year would then be 1913, based on census records. Remember that date.
Census records of 1910 show Catheryn Rominger's dob 1904, adding 9 years later, she and Curly met in 1913 when he was 16. If Walter Curly Brown was born 16 years earlier, that would make his dob 1897. (1920 Census records reflect Catherine (alternative spelling) Rominger as 16 years old and dob of 1904 which validates her dob). Curly states on his delayed birth certificate he was born Mar 22, 1895 which does not match with Catheryn's version that he was 16 when she was 9. Walter Curly Green does not show up as a resident in the Rominger household in 1920.
Catheryn Rominger states Curly enlisted in the Army "in 1917, when the United States entered the First World War" (the war lasted from August 4, 1914..some say July.. and ended on November 11, 1918). So did he enter earlier, in 1914?--that would match up better to the data provided. The video shows him returning to Schuyler, Nebraska looking for Jessamyn (a/k/a Jessie/Jestine based on census records). That year would probably have been early 1919, by my estimates.

But, then again, was Curly really 16 years old when Catheryn met him or was Walter Green really his name?

I wish I had a copy of Josh Butler's complete file. There has to be more data to ferret out because it is closest to Curly Green's death.

--->I always say, "Trust but Verify"!

The "Military" angle has always seemed to me to be the best possible route for finding "period" data, however, as is mentioned in one of the other posts, the majority of WW1 service records in the US were destroyed in a 1973 fire. I did not see a Walter "Green" or "Greener" in the WW1 Draft Cards on Ancestry.com, and those are about the best source for US WW1 soldiers that I know of.

NOW, if he DID enter the war prior to the US then it is a least possible that he enlisted in the Canadian Military as many did later in 1939 and 1940. I do not know as much about Canadian service records but I at least know that they were not lost in a fire so it would be worth checking, if for no other reason than to say "checked it out, dead end".

I finally saw this case for the first time today and have a quick possible update:

A wreath of flowers was sent to Curly's funeral with a card bearing the name "Mrs. Joseph Greener, Denver, Colorado".

That begs the obvious question: Perhaps Curly's surname was actually "Greener".

Anyhow, a quick search shows a Joseph Greener dying in Woodside, NY in March of 1969. Woodside is in Queens county. Brooklyn is in neighboring Kings county, where somebody used to send him postcards from. Joseph Greener was born 1/22/1887, just eight years before Curly.

Curly mentioned Denver as part of his past. I'm guessing that Joseph Greener's widow moved back to Denver from Brooklyn following the death of her husband.

Things we need to find:

-Obit/death certificate for Joesph Wheeler. These would (hopefully) list next of kin.

-Anyone with an ancestry.com membership should run checks on a Walter Greener in the World War One draft card scans (using the info we have from the birth certificate). These cards can provide us with an extra clue or two.

-Searches should also be run for Walter Green/Greener on that site, as well as Joseph.

Another interesting piece of info located:

A Josephine Greener died in Aurora, Colorado in 1982. She was born in 1901. There are only two women with the surname Greener listed as ever having died in Colorado. The eerie part is that Josephine's Social Security card was issued by Nebraska!:crazy:

Edit:The year 1930 finds Josephine Greener living in Omaha with husband Charlie and daughter Marine (B. 1924), so I suppose that the Brooklyn connection to Josephine doesn't fit.

1930 finds Joseph Greener living in Brooklyn. Although there is no mention of a Josephine, there is a "Betty" with the same year of birth (1901) living with Joseph. A Robert Greener (B. 1899) is also listed as living with them. Betty was born 1/1/1901 and died in June 1972. No further information on Robert can be found.

The search for Josephine might prove more beneficial than starting with Joseph.

Checked both the WW1 and WW2 Draft Cards on Ancestry.com and nothing even close to a match for either Walter "Green" or "Greener".

Catheryn Rominger states Curly enlisted in the Army "in 1917, when the United States entered the First World War" (the war lasted from August 4, 1914..some say July.. and ended on November 11, 1918). So did he enter earlier, in 1914?--that would match up better to the data provided.


While WW1 did begin in 1914, the United States did not enter the war until April 6, 1917. Much like the early days of WW2, there was a large segment of the US population that did not want to get involved in the European conflict. Congress declared war nearly three years after the war began, and this was only after Germany's submarines had sunk several US merchant ships in early 1917, which added to the famous 1915 sinking of the Lusitania with 128 Americans aboard.

Prior to Congress declaring war, the US Army was a relatively token force of 100,000 men, and I'd say it was much more likely that Curly joined up right around the time the US entered the war, which matches up with Catheryn's account. I realize this is hardly concrete proof, but at least historical fact supports this claim.

Here is a link to Walter "Curly" Green from the 1940 Census...which is free to all. By 1940 it looks like Walter knew he was from Montana. He gives his age of 44, says he completed 1 year of high school and was working as a Superintendent at a Newspaper. That jives with the data from the UM segment about him working at the Omaha Bee.

I still can't find Walter in the 1930 Census.


http://interactive.ancestry.com/2442/m-t0627-02273-00148/58621804?backurl=http%3a%2f%2fsearch.ancestry.com%2fcgi-bin%2fsse.dll%3findiv%3d1%26db%3d1940usfedcen%26rank%3d1%26new%3d1%26MSAV%3d1%26msT%3d1%26gss%3dangs-d%26gsfn%3dWalter%26gsln%3dGreen%26msrpn__ftp%3dNebraska%26dbOnly%3d_83004006-n%257c_83004006-n_x%252c_83004005-n%257c_83004005-n_x%252c_F0006AB0%257c_F0006AB0_x%26uidh%3dh2c%26pcat%3d35%26fh%3d9%26h%3d58621804&ssrc=&backlabel=ReturnRecord

Whoops, never mind that last part...no soon had I written it then I FOUND Walter (Listed as Walker) Green in the same house in the 1930 census as in 1940. Living with a family named Elbert and working as an auto mechanic. The data here matches that of the delayed birth cert. Says his father was born in England and his mother born in Germany.

You have to have an ancestry subscription to view this image, but here is the link anyway.

http://search.ancestry.com/iexec?htx=View&r=an&dbid=6224&iid=4610709_00732&fn=Walker&ln=Greene&st=r&ssrc=&pid=106879470

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Yes yes. Fascinating. I love these stories. I would hope it could be solved.

Let's raise a collective can of pork n' beans to the kindly, thrifty spirit of Curly Green. The pilot light has never gone out!

Not sure whether anyone's checked FamilySearch.org, but that might be a worthy avenue worth exploring (if it doesn't turn up anything on "Curly", maybe it would be useful plugging in the names of one/both of his parents)? 

Plugging in Nebraska as the place of death, all I've found so far is an entry from the Social Security Death Index for a Walter Green born March 22, 1895.

The Nebraska State Treasurer still has an unclaimed property listing for "green walter c" of "over $500" in Douglas County (Omaha).

https://treasurer.nebraska.gov/up/

Let's raise a collective can of pork n' beans to the kindly, thrifty spirit of Curly Green. The pilot light has never gone out!

Speaking of food choices on these cases, I know UM said Howard Drummond bought three breakfast's at $1.99 each for his three meals a day, Curly Green would warm up a can on the pilot light, there was a guy named Charlie in Sacramento that left a lot of money and worked at I think a newspaper stand and UM said he went to McDonalds everyday but I forget the price and food choice Stack mentioned, anyone recall?

Eggs, bacon and rye toast. $1.99

Can anyone ascertain that Curly was basically a maintenance man at a newspaper? it never mentions what curly did for a living.

Eggs, bacon and rye toast. $1.99


That was Howard Drummond, I think RS said Charlie got lunch everyday at Mickey Ds and would share it with a lady at his apt building. Can't remember the order they said.

Can anyone ascertain that Curly was basically a maintenance man at a newspaper? it never mentions what curly did for a living.

I thought it was mentioned in the segment that aside from the auto mechanic job before he joined the Army, he was a mechanic at the Omaha Bee and a night watchman for Union Pacific. I seem to remember a picture was shown of him that looked like it was taken while he was working in that latter capacity.

Looked him up on family search.com using just his name and place of death and found that his birthdate is listed as March 22 1895

https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:JLY2-FMD

So I was watching old UM reruns tonight and saw this story again. I did a quick Google search and there is one link to a Mrs Joe Greener and her husband returning home to Kansas City Mo after a vacation in Colorado. It's an old social page from a newspaper. I took a screenshot thinking maybe someone might be able to use the info as a lead. However, I'm new here and can't figure out how to attach a screenshot to my post. The website requires a subscription, but maybe someone else can access the paper itself? Can someone help me post the screenshot?

Here is an article that profiles the heir investigator that UM interviewed for this segment. He discusses Curly about halfway down, and brings up a Wisconsin angle that IIRC, was not mentioned on UM: http://www.vindy.com/news/2002/nov/17/when-no-heirs-are-apparent/?mobile

http://https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:K6DL-N5V

This is the only WWI draft card I could find for a Walter Green or Walter Greener

My last name is Greener. It is my maiden name. My step-grandfather was Grant Greener. He was from Utah and his entire family was Mormons. He left home at an early age. He had pictures of them from the 1800s. I tried to talk to him about them and he was closed mouth about them. He had some brothers that he was close to. One was named Dallas Greener. Grant was a really good man. He had been in the army. He drew maps for a living and taught high school. Everyone loved him. My point is maybe Curly's family was actually from Utah. The Mormons have excellent records for genealogy.

My last name is Greener. It is my maiden name. My step-grandfather was Grant Greener. He was from Utah and his entire family was Mormons. He left home at an early age. He had pictures of them from the 1800s. I tried to talk to him about them and he was closed mouth about them. He had some brothers that he was close to. One was named Dallas Greener. Grant was a really good man. He had been in the army. He drew maps for a living and taught high school. Everyone loved him. My point is maybe Curly's family was actually from Utah. The Mormons have excellent records for genealogy.

Welcome to the board, Lisa! :wave:

That's really interesting. I'd be curious to know if you find out anything else. That might explain a few things.

My last name is Greener. It is my maiden name. My step-grandfather was Grant Greener. He was from Utah and his entire family was Mormons. He left home at an early age. He had pictures of them from the 1800s. I tried to talk to him about them and he was closed mouth about them. He had some brothers that he was close to. One was named Dallas Greener. Grant was a really good man. He had been in the army. He drew maps for a living and taught high school. Everyone loved him. My point is maybe Curly's family was actually from Utah. The Mormons have excellent records for genealogy.

Welcome! :wave:

http://https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:K6DL-N5V

This is the only WWI draft card I could find for a Walter Green or Walter Greener

And welcome to you, too! :)

I’d just like to point out the fact that the production value in the Curley Greene segment is pretty solid.

I just rewatched this segment it's a pretty solid segment except for the final moment where Robert Stack reads the name of the person who put flowers on Curly's grave, that should have been left unsaid.

It's great that people are still trying to solve this one. :)

Someone found this article on Curly and his wife. https://twitter.com/UncoveringUm/status/1264261048003170306?s=20

Wish they would do family genealogy with his dna.

I am a longtime genealogist and will print your post and do some serious research.

Just found his WW2 draft Name: Walter Green
Gender: Male
Race: White
Birth Date: 22 Mar 1895
Birth Place: Kendall, Montana, USA
Residence Place: Omaha, Nebraska, USA
Military Draft Date: 1942
Relationship to Draftee: Head
Occupation: A Kenworthy Union Pacific
Height: 5 7
Eye Color: Brown
Hair Color: Red
Weight: 165
Complexion: Light
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Here's his delayed birth record

I also find he had brothers Joe and Albert. Why did these so called professionals not find what I found in 5 min. in all these years.

Just watched this one again. It seems like one that a familial DNA-type site would be able to help solve.

Interestingly enough, I checked out the UM Wiki entry on this case (link (https://unsolvedmysteries.fandom.com/wiki/Heirs_of_Walter_Green)) and down at the bottom, the researcher (Josh Butler) now thinks that Curly was from Wisconsin, had 7 siblings and grew up in an orphanage(?!). In all the Googling I've done, I've never run across anything that pointed in this direction.

(Also, despite what that wiki entry says, the state of Nebraska is still holding his money as unclaimed property - under 'GREEN WALTER C')

Wish they would do family genealogy with his dna.

At this point he would need to be exhumed to collect a sample, and that just isn't going to happen, nor should it.

Just found his WW2 draft Name: Walter Green
Gender: Male
Race: White
Birth Date: 22 Mar 1895
Birth Place: Kendall, Montana, USA
Residence Place: Omaha, Nebraska, USA
Military Draft Date: 1942
Relationship to Draftee: Head
Occupation: A Kenworthy Union Pacific
Height: 5 7
Eye Color: Brown
Hair Color: Red
Weight: 165
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Here's his delayed birth record

I also find he had brothers Joe and Albert. Why did these so called professionals not find what I found in 5 min. in all these years.

Everyone has already found the same things. What you are missing is that birthdate, location, and parents are believed to be FALSE. All this info isn't his "REAL" information. He was likely NOT born "Walter Green." He likely grew up in an orphanage, and when he struck out on his own, he had no known family. He made up a past and ended up eventually having to make up information in order to get a birth certificate.

At this point he would need to be exhumed to collect a sample, and that just isn't going to happen, nor should it.

Question: Why SHOULDN'T it?

Question: Why SHOULDN'T it?

Quite frankly it would be a waste of the diesel fuel required to power the excavator to dig him up to collect a sample of DNA so that some third cousin can claim what's left of his estate.

I’ll be visiting Omaha soon does anyone know what apartment building he owned? And if it’s still there?

I’ll be visiting Omaha soon does anyone know what apartment building he owned? And if it’s still there?

I’ll be visiting Omaha soon does anyone know what apartment building he owned? And if it’s still there?

I searched the Omaha World Herald Archives and found his obituary (link (https://omaha.newsbank.com/search?date_from=1978&date_to=1978&text=walter%20green&content_added=&pub%5B0%5D=1106B5BBD4B623A8&sort=old&page=23))

If you follow the above link and then focus on the image all the way on the right, in the second row down, you can make out his old address (3848 Cass St)

https://douglascone.wgxtreme.com/java/wgx_douglasne/ImageServlet?type=photo&accountid=R1940430000&econarea=14R2&bldgid=1

That's obviously not the same building as was featured in the segment. The one we saw is right next door (3852 Cass St)

https://douglascone.wgxtreme.com/java/wgx_douglasne/ImageServlet?type=photo&accountid=R1940440000&econarea=14R2&bldgid=1

I searched the Omaha World Herald Archives and found his obituary (link (https://omaha.newsbank.com/search?date_from=1978&date_to=1978&text=walter%20green&content_added=&pub%5B0%5D=1106B5BBD4B623A8&sort=old&page=23))

If you follow the above link and then focus on the image all the way on the right, in the second row down, you can make out his old address (3848 Cass St)

https://douglascone.wgxtreme.com/java/wgx_douglasne/ImageServlet?type=photo&accountid=R1940430000&econarea=14R2&bldgid=1

That's obviously not the same building as was featured in the segment. The one we saw is right next door (3852 Cass St)

https://douglascone.wgxtreme.com/java/wgx_douglasne/ImageServlet?type=photo&accountid=R1940440000&econarea=14R2&bldgid=1

Thank you so much

I just watched this segment for the first time. It was incredibly sad that he never pursued love again after Jessalyn. Also Jessalyn's sisters comments about him....sheesh. I don't think she meant it the way it sounded but man, she was pretty blunt about him not making enough money for her sister. Sign of the times, I guess.