I was just curious, what everyone's opinion was on the following missing person cases. I put my opinions to the side. Do you think simply, dead or alive? Feel free to add any others...

1. Anthonette Cayedito (dead)
2. Gordon Page, JR. (more than likely dead)
3. Kristi Krebs (dead)
4. Angela Hammond (dead)
5. Michael Hughes (alive, maybe Floyd pawned him off on someone before he was incarcerated)
6. Tammy Lynn Leppert (dead)
7. Sneha Phillips (alive, I still think she snuck off)
8. Nyleen Kay Marshall (dead)
9. Patricia Meehan (dead)
10. Amber Swartz (dead)
11. George Owens (wandered off and died)
12. Amy Billig (dead, more than likely soon after she disappeared)
13. Adam Emery (alive, living the high life somewhere)


Hmm, that's all i can think of now...what do you think?

Interesting post, Kamy. I agree with most of them but I differ on #2 and 12.

I think Gordon Page Jr. is alive, but probably living in a homeless shelter or somewhere where they can't determine who he really is. That case breaks my heart for the poor family.

I think Amy Billig is dead, but was alive most of the time. There is so much evidence to say she was alive for a long time before succombing to the cult/gang.

And I will add one:

14. Adam Hecht (dead)

15. Tara Calico (dead).

15. Tara Calico (dead).


Ahh yes, I forgot her! I vote dead too.

5. Michael Hughes (alive, maybe Floyd pawned him off on someone before he was incarcerated)


Floyd stated that he had actually drowned Michael in the bathtuh, which he later denied.

There's no way Michael could still be alive :(

Floyd stated that he had actually drowned Michael in the bathtuh, which he later denied.

There's no way Michael could still be alive :(
Yeah, the more I read the more I'm convinced that he's dead. What a shame!!!!! he's the only one who knows the truth and he's not talking!

all of them dead. possible exception for Adam Emery, but that man boils my blood so much I can barely bring myself to talk about him, or his family.

sorry to sound so pessimistic, but I think too many years have gone by and too many mysterious circumstances surrrounding these disapperances for me to believe they're not dead. I hope I'm wrong though.

who is Amber Swarz? perhaps I should know that, but it's not ringing any bells right now.

I think the majority of them have died but I think there's at least a chance the following might still be alive:

Anthonette Cayedito
Kristi Krebs
Gordon Page Jr.
Patricia Meehan
Nyleen Kay Marshall

Just remember the case of Patricia Carlton. Had some mental issues and memory problems after her surgery and wandered off and most of us would have probably guessed she had died but thankfully was found alive and well 35 years later. :)

Another intruging one would be Mike Reimer? I bet that turd is still breathing out there somewhere.

I think the majority of them have died but I think there's at least a chance the following might still be alive:

Anthonette Cayedito
Kristi Krebs
Gordon Page Jr.
Patricia Meehan
Nyleen Kay Marshall


I basically agree with you on all of these, CD. But I do feel there's a strong possibility Anthonette was killed after she made that haunting phone call.

I basically agree with you on all of these, CD. But I do feel there's a strong possibility Anthonette was killed after she made that haunting phone call.

Good point. By a chance of her still being alive I was thinking of the seemingly credible sighting of her at that restaurant but yes its certainly possible her captors killed her after that call. Sad.

I think they're all dead, unfortunately. As much as I'd like to believe Patricia Meehan and Nyleen Kay Marshall (Montana girls--woo!) are still alive, I believe Nyleen was murdered shortly after she disappeared and that Patricia probably WAS seen wandering around, but died thereafter. I'm CONVINCED she's an unidentified Jane Doe somewhere (but obviously not Montana, as I'm pretty sure ANY unidentified woman would be matched against Meehan's statistics--people still talk about her on occasion.)

As for Adam Emery, I'm pretty sure he's dead, too. I used to say that I thought he was alive, but I think he would have popped up by now SOMEWHERE...unless his family sent him overseas. But that wouldn't explain why his wife turned up dead. Because she is dead, I believe that Adam jumped with her.

I have one, though:

16. Bobby and Kristi Baskin (alive)

Im pretty sure that michael hughes is dead. That wasnt the first child abducted by lloyd.

Well, in my opinion Mike Reimer is probably still alive or at least was alive for many years. I just do not buy the theory that an unknown third party was killing people yet would for some unknown reason hide Mike's body. The tubesock was a clear signal the killings were done by the same person. There was evidence that in my opinion showed that Reimer was a serial killer.

I guess it is possible Reimer could be dead, but I doubt it. Although there were a lot of serial killers on the lose in Washington State in 1985, Robert Yates, Gary Ridgeway, Charles Sinclair to name a few. I have always wondered whether or not the person that murdered Diana and that other couple also murdered Jay and Tanya and Michael and Rochelle.

As for Adam Emery, I am not sure if he is alive or not. I think there is a better chance he is dead, but his body has never been found so it certainly is possible that he is alive. I guess judging from the kind of person he seemed to be, it wouldnt surprise me if he made a suicide pact with his wife, she jumped and he didnt and just walked away, it wouldnt surprise me if he did that. I mean afterall, this was a guy who stabbed and killed a kid because he thought he ran into his car, except it turned out that it wasnt the car that had hit him and Emery refused to take responsibility for it.

However it is because of what people like Emery have done that bail is almost always revoked once a person is convicted of murder. Some states have made it law that you cant have bond once you have been convicted of murder, however in Emery's case, since he was convicted of murder 2 and not of murder 1 that is probably why he was allowed to remain free until sentencing, but I guess he knew since he was facing a sentence of 20 years to life he had a lot of motive to either go on the run or kill himself.

Interesting topic. I would imagine a lot (most?) of the "missing persons" featured on UM are dead.

I'm pretty sure Michaela Garrecht is dead.

The nature of the disappearance and the fact that so much time has passed without so much as a sighting of her makes it seem unlikely that she would still be alive all these years later.

How about Lisa Bishop? No sightings of her after she vanished, but tons of sightings of "Florian" in the years after Lisa disappeared.

Dottie Caylor and Christi Nichols - probably murdered by their husbands. I'm not aware of any sightings of them after their initial disappearances.

Cindy Anderson - again, I think too much time has passed for her to still be alive.

Judy Himes - probably dead even though some say she is alive and living in Omaha...

How about Charles Horvath? That's a case I could see going either way.

As much as I'd like to believe Patricia Meehan and Nyleen Kay Marshall (Montana girls--woo!) are still alive, I believe Nyleen was murdered shortly after she disappeared

Nyleen may still be alive...during the segment, RS mentioned that the police received a letter from the abductor. The abductor wrote that Nyleen travels all over the country with him, they've even been to England. I'm not sure WHEN the letter was received but it makes me to believe that the abductor has made Nyleen his own child.

Nyleen may still be alive...during the segment, RS mentioned that the police received a letter from the abductor. The abductor wrote that Nyleen travels all over the country with him, they've even been to England. I'm not sure WHEN the letter was received but it makes me to believe that the abductor has made Nyleen his own child.


I kind of see Nyleen's case going in the same direction as Sharon Marshall's. When Sharon was no longer needed Floyd got rid of her; I believe Nyleen eventually became more of a liability and was disposed of. Although I would like to think she's alive...

Thanks to everyone for posting; after I started the thread, I thought "What a stupid thread" but it sure beat me from searching for every case and seeing what everyone else thought. :D

Feel free to add any others...

A brief addendum...

Although I think he is now deceased, I think there is a good chance that Rogest Cain was alive for some time after he initially dropped out of site. I can see him relocating and getting a job someplace away from home, not even aware of his true identity. Or perhaps he was picked up by the police and admitted at a hospital somewhere as a "John Doe". I don't think there is much reason to suspect foul play in his disappearance, yet it doesn't seem like he disappeared willingly either. A medical condition, like a stroke, seems like a reasonable explanation, but also allows for the possibility of his continuing to live after he disappeared.

A brief addendum...

Although I think he is now deceased, I think there is a good chance that Rogest Cain was alive for some time after he initially dropped out of site. I can see him relocating and getting a job someplace away from home, not even aware of his true identity. Or perhaps he was picked up by the police and admitted at a hospital somewhere as a "John Doe". I don't think there is much reason to suspect foul play in his disappearance, yet it doesn't seem like he disappeared willingly either. A medical condition, like a stroke, seems like a reasonable explanation, but also allows for the possibility of his continuing to live after he disappeared.

Was he the black man that disappeared and was thought to have been disorientated? If so, I find it odd that when his son got word of a sighting and followed it, he "missed" him; the man was living under an alias and had left again right before his son arrived. Sounds bizarre, like maybe he purposely was trying to disappear?

Interesting topic. I would imagine a lot (most?) of the "missing persons" featured on UM are dead.

I'm pretty sure Michaela Garrecht is dead.

The nature of the disappearance and the fact that so much time has passed without so much as a sighting of her makes it seem unlikely that she would still be alive all these years later.

How about Lisa Bishop? No sightings of her after she vanished, but tons of sightings of "Florian" in the years after Lisa disappeared.

Dottie Caylor and Christi Nichols - probably murdered by their husbands. I'm not aware of any sightings of them after their initial disappearances.

Cindy Anderson - again, I think too much time has passed for her to still be alive.

Judy Himes - probably dead even though some say she is alive and living in Omaha...

How about Charles Horvath? That's a case I could see going either way.

I think there were some unconfirmed sightings of Dottie Caylor in the midwest trying to start a new life, but it was probably someone provoked by Jule as an attempt to deflect some attention off of him and onto other possibilities.

Charles Horvath is a good mention for this topic, I personally believe he is dead. Same for Adam Hecht, which this case bores alot of similarities to.

Was he the black man that disappeared and was thought to have been disorientated? If so, I find it odd that when his son got word of a sighting and followed it, he "missed" him; the man was living under an alias and had left again right before his son arrived. Sounds bizarre, like maybe he purposely was trying to disappear?

yep, not to be confused with George Owens, which is a similar case.

Was he the black man that disappeared and was thought to have been disorientated? If so, I find it odd that when his son got word of a sighting and followed it, he "missed" him; the man was living under an alias and had left again right before his son arrived. Sounds bizarre, like maybe he purposely was trying to disappear?

Yeah, I remember that update, and yes, you pegged the right guy. Its hard to say if he left voluntarily. I thought he had just retired recently, and there didn't seem to be any indication that he would have a reason to leave his children and grandchildren. I'm not saying there wasn't a reason, as I'm sure there is much more to this story than what was shown, but if there was such a reason for him to want to leave, UM didn't disclose it.

I seem to remember that some pieces of paper were found in his car in which he had written down variations of his phone number, almost as if he was trying to remember what it was, but couldn't.

If he did go on to live on the streets as a transient, he could have moved around a lot and I think it's only in hindsight that one might think he was avoiding his family because he happened to drop out of site before they arrived to pick him up. I'm not saying you're wrong in your thinking, its just a different perspective.

He is still missing though... :(

http://www.doenetwork.org/cases/724dmca.html

Yeah, I remember that update, and yes, you pegged the right guy. Its hard to say if he left voluntarily. I thought he had just retired recently, and there didn't seem to be any indication that he would have a reason to leave his children and grandchildren. I'm not saying there wasn't a reason, as I'm sure there is much more to this story than what was shown, but if there was such a reason for him to want to leave, UM didn't disclose it.

I seem to remember that some pieces of paper were found in his car in which he had written down variations of his phone number, almost as if he was trying to remember what it was, but couldn't.

If he did go on to live on the streets as a transient, he could have moved around a lot and I think it's only in hindsight that one might think he was avoiding his family because he happened to drop out of site before they arrived to pick him up. I'm not saying you're wrong in your thinking, its just a different perspective.

He is still missing though... :(

http://www.doenetwork.org/cases/724dmca.html

The most plausible explanation in my opinion is that Rogest Cain had a stroke and became disoriented. That could be why he remembered a little bit like his sister's phone number, or at least the numbers if not in the right order. He probably lived for a few years as he was reported to have worked some jobs but with his age and the effects of a stroke (if he had one) probably didn't live much longer than that imo. I did come across a cemetary website with his name on it several months ago so I inquired at the doe network and they told me his family had him declared dead years ago.

Yes, I share the opinion that Kristi Nichols and Dottie Caylor are deceased. Marn Nichols and Jule Caylor and others profiled on the show like them such as Michael Haim, Mike Reimer, etc are typical batterers, it is all the women's fault if you ask them or if they do admit to something wrong, it was the women that provoked them to do it.

I believe that the missing crew members from the "Casie Nicole" are probably dead. I think Nathan Neesmith was very lucky in swimming away from the others. I used to think they were in another country like the segment suggested, but after the phone calls to the families, I think their "friend" tried to smuggle them out of the country and they were caught and as a result killed.

I would bet everything I own that says Dottie Caylor is dead. When Jule Caylor said, "It was hell living with Dottie, it's been hell with her missing..." Real first-class guy.

The fact that he showed ZERO concern for her pretty much says he knows where she is, and that is not among the living.

Not to be morbid, but do you ever wonder where the majority of the missing and presumed dead are? Buried? Chopped up? Burned? I'm not trying to be funny... It just seems so hard to think you could make a person vanish completely from the earth, yet so many people have.

I can't imagine what I would do if that happened to a loved one of mine. Ugh.

The most plausible explanation in my opinion is that Rogest Cain had a stroke and became disoriented. That could be why he remembered a little bit like his sister's phone number, or at least the numbers if not in the right order. He probably lived for a few years as he was reported to have worked some jobs but with his age and the effects of a stroke (if he had one) probably didn't live much longer than that imo. I did come across a cemetary website with his name on it several months ago so I inquired at the doe network and they told me his family had him declared dead years ago.


I completely agree with this perspective, it was just odd to me that he was just sighted days or a week before his son arrived and then picked up and left again (if indeed it was Rogest). Crappy luck or he's avoiding but my bets are the stroke theory as he was seeming to try to remember his sister's phone number and etc...

I think most are dead as well; especially the children. Seems like after all these years, most would be of a young adult age and would have the capacity to contact loved ones if they could.

It's possible for someone to drop off the face of the earth I guess and have their own life and a new identity, but most of these are average people that aren't the scheming type it seems--especially those like Kristi Krebs. If she were alive, I don't think she'd have the desire or mental capacity to create a new identity, start a new life, and just walk away.

Just remember the case of Patricia Carlton. Had some mental issues and memory problems after her surgery and wandered off and most of us would have probably guessed she had died but thankfully was found alive and well 35 years later. :)

Patricia Meehan case resembles the one of Patricia Carlton, they both had mental problems and one day they simply left (hey they even have the same name!). Maybe Patricia Meehan is alive and will be found someday just like Mrs. Carlton.

Okay, just seen this one for the first time and noticed it hadn't been discussed much on here: Elizabeth Campbell. True, several witnesses had thought they had seen her after her dissappearance, but it's been shown eyewitnesses can be wrong (Gayle Delano?) even though they feel 100% sure it is who they saw. My opinion: dead, probably killed shortly after she disappeared. Anyone else?

BTW, the update was creepy, even though it was just her purse!!! :eek:

Okay, just seen this one for the first time and noticed it hadn't been discussed much on here: Elizabeth Campbell. True, several witnesses had thought they had seen her after her dissappearance, but it's been shown eyewitnesses can be wrong (Gayle Delano?) even though they feel 100% sure it is who they saw. My opinion: dead, probably killed shortly after she disappeared. Anyone else?

BTW, the update was creepy, even though it was just her purse!!! :eek:

I don't know, they eyewitness accounts for this one seem to be pretty credible here because they're all the same: Asian man obviously holding her against his will. One thing that makes them seem a little less credible is that they were all from an area that wasn't too far from where she disappeared - strange that they wouldn't take her to a more faraway place, but maybe they did eventually.

i have a gut feeling Tammy Lynn Leppert is still alive despite all the odds but for the most part i am pretty sure almost all of the others are dead.

I am of the opinion that everyone mentioned in this thread is dead save for Gordon Page, Jr. and Patricia Meehan. I think both of them are lost somewhere in society because neither remembers who they are or are too mentally ill to seek help to reconnect themselves to their former lives. I base this on the fact that both disappeared from non-remote locations (Okay, Montana can be remote, but Patricia was sighted after disappearing in a busy locale, so she didn't wander off into the forest like I believe Kristi Krebs did). Gordon Jr. was intelligent enough to stay among people but at the same time blend into the background due to his autism. He would come across to most as a homeless man with a mental illness like schizophrenia. I like to think he has found his niche in some sort of shelter co-op.

Unfortunately, as much as I'd like to believe he's alive, I think Gordon must no longer be alive. I find it hard to believe in 18 years no one (at a shelter or someplace) has been curious enough to look up a 6'3 red headed guy who seems to have trouble communicating.

i have a gut feeling Tammy Lynn Leppert is still alive despite all the odds but for the most part i am pretty sure almost all of the others are dead.

Theres's a chance she could be alive for a couple of reasons. The fact that she seemed to want to convince her mother that she was well enough to leave the house unsupervised leans toward a type of plan to leave.

There is also the pregnancy issue, which could have convinced her to leave.

Also the fact that being in Florida, she's not that far from leaving US territory.

If she left to live somewhere in Latin America, she could stay out of sight indefinitely.

I am of the opinion that everyone mentioned in this thread is dead save for Gordon Page, Jr. and Patricia Meehan.

In regards to missing persons you can classify them in these categories
1. Runaways
2. Fugitives
3. Disorientated Individuals/Mentally Ill
4. Murders missing the bodies
5. Abductions

I think the key to most of these unsolved missing persons cases is determining which category to put the individual in.

Runaways are only trying to avoid being found by specific individuals (family, friends, etc...) they are not necessarily trying to avoid the law. They'll usually only do whats necessary within the law. They still use their social security number even the real name at times. Runaways usually make preperations for their departure(take money, sometimes say goodbye, quit jobs)

Fugitives are actively trying to avoid being found by the law. They are potentially constantly moving and using fake aliases.

Disorientated people are not trying to run away from anyone. If anything they are trying desparately to be found and find out who they are!! They are only traveling or acting out of basic survival. They are not trying to run to the border or hide. They usually will go directly to police, doctors, shelters and other authorities to find out their identity or get help. Those peoplealso are trying to help find that persons identity.

Murders without bodies are still murder cases. You have suspects, potential witnesses to the act, POIs, potential crime scenes. You just don;t have the body. People usually don't just disappear without prior motivation or history that would lead them to runaway.

Abductions involve another party that is trying to prevent the victim from leaving by any means necessary. The victim will only be kept alive as long as he/she has use to he abductor. Sexual abductions usually end in murder. Kidnappers will usually always contact in order to get their ransom demands. Child or amorous abductions(abductions with the intent to marry the victim) are cases were the victim will usually be kept alive for an indefinite time period.


Looking at some of the missing persons cases here
1. Patricia Meeham - I think there is a very good chance she is alive since she is a disorientated individual and was not a murder victim, abductee. But what makes her case a little different is that she may view herself as a fugitive so she may be actively trying to avoid a murder charge for the accident.

2. Gordon Page- I think is alive and just waitin to be found.

3. The problem with Tammy Lynn Leppert is that she could fit all 5 categories. It's very likely she may have runaway, been abducted, murdered, is disorientated or is running away from the law.

4. Charlotte Pollis, Dottie Caylor, Christie Nichols - There are suspects, potential crime scenes and motives for them to be murders.

5. Cindy Anderson- Most likely either a murder or an abduction. Unfortunately, unless the abductor is hinding her in his basement or living with her as his "wife", Cindy was most likely killed.

6. George Owens-obviously dead now due to extreeme age

7. DB Cooper- a fugitive or dead person. Money hasn;t been circulated which would point to him being dead. However, I find it hard to believe he would go through all this without some conviction that he would survive the jump and the wilderness.

Debra Poe - probably killed the night she disappeared.

Keith Reinhard - probably died from exposure or at the hands of an animal in the mountains.

I don't like to think of Gordon Page, Jr. not being with us anymore. That's a tough one to deal with because of his childlike vulnerablility. And whenever I see a picture of him smiling, it makes me smile right back at him.... very hard to look at the smiling face and think that he could be gone.

Good topic idea, kamy.

My votes:

1. Anthonette Cayedito - dead
2. Gordon Page, JR. - alive, or if dead, of natural causes somewhere
3. Kristi Krebs - dead
4. Angela Hammond - dead
5. Michael Hughes - dead
6. Tammy Lynn Leppert - dead
7. Sneha Phillips - dead, and I don't believe as part of 9/11, though certainly could be.
8. Nyleen Kay Marshall - dead
9. Patricia Meehan - dead
10. Amber Swartz - dead
11. George Owens - dead
12. Amy Billig - dead, within a week of disappearence, very likely that day
13. Adam Emery - alive
14. Tara Calico - dead

I think probably a lot of missing people are deceased. Lauria Bible and Ashley Freeman haven't been mentioned in this thread but I think they are probably deceased. My theory is that the killer or killers kidnapped them and murdered and desposed of their bodies.

I do hope that at least remains are found to give the families some closure. I do remember reading that Jodi Huiseuntruit was declared by her family a few years after her disapperance does anyone know if others have been declared dead.

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Good topic idea, kamy.

My votes:

1. Anthonette Cayedito - dead
2. Gordon Page, JR. - alive, or if dead, of natural causes somewhere
3. Kristi Krebs - dead
4. Angela Hammond - dead
5. Michael Hughes - dead
6. Tammy Lynn Leppert - dead
7. Sneha Phillips - dead, and I don't believe as part of 9/11, though certainly could be.
8. Nyleen Kay Marshall - dead
9. Patricia Meehan - dead
10. Amber Swartz - dead
11. George Owens - dead
12. Amy Billig - dead, within a week of disappearence, very likely that day
13. Adam Emery - alive
14. Tara Calico - dead

The ones I'll disagree on are Nyleen Kay Marshall and Tammy Leppert. Nyleen I believe was kidnapped by people that wanted a child.( judging by the composites). I think she might be living under a different name.

Tammy Leppert- There is a slim chance( very, very slim) that she ran away and is living in a different country.

Amy Billig- I would tend to agree with you, but the biker story has so much legs to it that I can't just dismiss it completely as a mistaken identity or a made up story.

I think probably a lot of missing people are deceased. Lauria Bible and Ashley Freeman haven't been mentioned in this thread but I think they are probably deceased. My theory is that the killer or killers kidnapped them and murdered and desposed of their bodies.

Yes, I am certain they are both dead, and have been since that night or very shortly thereafter.

I think probably a lot of missing people are deceased. Lauria Bible and Ashley Freeman haven't been mentioned in this thread but I think they are probably deceased. My theory is that the killer or killers kidnapped them and murdered and desposed of their bodies.

Probably, unless you buy the theory that they themselves committed the murderers and are fugitives.

The only thing that would make me consider that is why the killer bothered to take them in the first place rather than kill them on the spot with the rest. Unless it was to rape both girls.

I agree with death being the fate of almost all who have been mentioned this far--although I believe there is a possibility that Nyleen Kay Marshall is still alive (I have similar feelings on Patty Meehan, although these are far less strong).

I believe Donald Eugene Webb has probably been dead since December 1980, at the latest early 1981. I subscribe to the notion that he was shot in the scuffle with Greg Adams and died as a result of self-treatment, opting to avoid hospitals lest he be recognized.

Although in the segment RS cites "conclusive evidence to the contrary", I've seen publications produced as late as 1992 that speculate Ed Baker may still be living. Just out of curiousity, does anyone happen to agree that he was/is alive? I've always believed it was a hit and the body was Baker's, but again, just curious.

Speaking of businessmen in hard places, Philip Breen was never caught, was he?

Probably, unless you buy the theory that they themselves committed the murderers and are fugitives.

The only thing that would make me consider that is why the killer bothered to take them in the first place rather than kill them on the spot with the rest. Unless it was to rape both girls.

I agree rape could have been the motive to not murder them with the parents.

Oded Gordon- I'm going to say alive, only because he's in the same category as Gordon Page Jr. and had a chance to be OK. Although he did go missing in the country, not a populated area, so who knows.

Leonard Dirickson, almost certainly dead. Anyone remember that one from the later years? (I think it may have even been a final season segment.)

Leonard Dirickson, almost certainly dead. Anyone remember that one from the later years? (I think it may have even been a final season segment.)

Yes, I just watched that episode. If he was as good of a father as his family says he was, the only way he wouldn't be with his son right now is if he is dead.

Some of these were featured on UM, some not:


Cindy Song - (PSU student) Dead, but I don't believe the siting in Philly
Lisa Bishop - (Freedon crewmember) Likely dead.
Amy Bradley - Also likely dead, but alleged photo was intriguing
Sneha Philip - 50/50, quite possibly disappeared voluntarily in 9/11 chaos
Adam Hecht - Likely dead (if robbed, why hide body & not take the $?)
Ray Gricar - (PA DA) Alive (if suicide, how has body avoided discovery?)
Brian Shaffer - (OSU student) 50/50
Crew of Cassie Nicole - 50/50 that they were picked up by freighter
Crew of Joyita -Dead (likely by South Pacific pirates)
Charles Rutherford - (Michigan atty) Dead in likely murder/suicide
Natalee Halloway - Dead (virtually certain murdered by VDS &/or K brothers)
Madeleine McCann -50/50 (if dead, not by parents)
Jim Gray - (SF entrepeneur) 50/50

Cindy Anderson - I think she was murdered by the partner in the law office who allegedly was spearheading a drug ring.
The passengers on the Liebling - that boat is most likely on the bottom of the ocean. It's too bad they were not able to explore to find it so that woman could lay her three sons to rest.
Tara Calico - I don't believe the girl in the polaroid photo is her.

I also never believed that the girl in the photo was Tara. I think Tara is dead.

Yes, I just watched that episode. If he was as good of a father as his family says he was, the only way he wouldn't be with his son right now is if he is dead.

Is he the cowboy/rancher kind of guy with the handlebar stach? I'm changin my votes on Tami Lynn Leppert--I think she's still alive and hiding out. Charles Horvath is an interesting one....I'm torn on whether he is alive or dead.

Is he the cowboy/rancher kind of guy with the handlebar stach?

Yep.

Madeleine McCann -50/50 (if dead, not by parents)

Sadly I think she is probably dead.

Even if she was kidnapped to be someone's child, that blemish in her eye almost makes her so easy to identify. She would have been spotted by now.

I doubt anyone would risk having such a child as well known as she alive.

For the record, I don't think the parents killed her. I believe she was killed by a pedophile ring.

I think Brian Shaffer, the OSU med student, could have been a victim of the Smiley Face Killers. He fit the profile of their victims, although he was 27 years old, and it seems those who are suspected to be Smiley victims are a few years younger than that.

He was likely intoxicated, seen leaving a bar (the ugly tuna saloona) alone?, and had to go near the Olentangy River to get back to campus.

But to really feel that my suspicion could be valid, I need to know if Brian was on foot, taking taxis, or driving with friends that night (he and his friends were barhopping), and where, in relation to the bar, he would have had to go to get home.

I'm basing my "had to go past the Olentangy river to get home" theory on the fact that the Ugly Tuna Saloona is on the edge of campus, and if Brian was returning to campus, he had to go toward the river. If he was living elsewhere, not on campus, that could blow the whole idea.

You can map the bar's address, 1546 N High St, Columbus, OH‎, and see where it is located in relation to the school campus.

He's been missing for 3 years now. Here's his website: http://www.findbrianshaffer.com/

I believe Tara Calico is dead, but I would say I'm 60-40 on it being her in the Polaroid (the eyes are very similar, I think, and the build fits Tara's description). I never thought the boy looked anything like Michael Henley Jr, though (of course, as we all know, it wasn't).

He's been missing for 3 years now. Here's his website: http://www.findbrianshaffer.com/


Thanks for posting the link to his website. I just went on it and found some interesting links in the "Update" section.

In April 2009, the OSU student newspaper published an article entitled "Is Brian Shaffer alive?" The article indicates that an atty. representing one of his friends told investigators that he believes that Brian disappeared voluntarily and is still alive. The story suggests that Brian's best friend has refused to submit to a polygraph. There is a suggestion that this is perhaps the one person who Brian might contact if he were still alive. Also in the Update section is a TV interview with the head of the Ohio Crimestoppers organization, who states that it is his personal belief that Brian is still alive. Also, the Update contains a link to a story about an anonymous post to a website regarding Brian's father's death led investigators to the US Virgin Islands, suggesting that it might have been Brian who left the post. The Update section contains a comment to the effect that "While we believe that Brian is dead, as he would not leave w/o telling his family, here is an article regarding how might still be alive." For a website sponsored by Brian's family, it was an odd comment. To me it appeared to be a msg. intended for Brian saying, we think you may be alive and reading this website.

I also initially believed him to be dead, and when the story of the Smiley Face Killers broke, I thought there might be a connection. Here's why I think that's not the case:

1. The gang (if there is one) selects victims based on a type: college undergrad, active in sports and w/ a high GPA. Brian was a med student who was not an athlete (ie, wasn't on an OSU team), and I have no idea re his GPA. The gang also appeared to be active accross the country, but focuses on college towns. Columbus is a large city and not close to where the gang is suspected to operate. Finally, I believe most of the victims were found in the river. While I don't know enough about the river that passes through Columbus, I don't believe it's considered deep or remote enough that a body dumped there wouldn't surface.

2. The most baffling aspect of the case for me is that the main entrance was monitored by video camera, and Brian was seen entering but not leaving. There was a side or emergency entrance that was also monitored by video camera, but he was not seen on that one either. Apparently the bldg was under construction at the time of the disappearance, and it was possible to leave the Saloon walk to another part of the bldg. and squeeze through a door that would eventually lead outside through the construction area, but (I believe) someone would have to go out through the front of the bar and walk down the hall to that door. Given that he was not seen exiting, and that it would've been difficult to orchestrate an abduction w/o being caught on camera, I don't think it likely that the gang would have choosen that location. They are alleged to be very careful about not being noticed.

3. The strongest reason for me that it was not an abduction is that Brian is seen on the videocamera at the entrance to the bar well after he arrived. He arrived w/ friends (I believe) around 10 or 11 pm. He left his friends shortly therafter and mentioned he wanted to see the band. The friends never saw him again and believed him to have left. Yet, around 1:15 am he is seen exiting the bar standing briefly at the front entrance talking to 2 women and then re-entering the bar. If an abductor was targeting Brian, I don't think he/they would have allowed him to wander outside the main entrance. I think they would have made contact when they saw him leave his friends. Of course, we cannot be sure, but if someone wanted to do him harm, it is unlikely he would be wandering by himself 2 hrs. after he arrived. It is possible (although admittedly unlikely) that he walked outside the bar to see if anyone was there to check if he would be able to slip, unnoticed, to the door leading to the construction area. Seeing people milling about, he elected to head back into the bar to wait until no one was around.

Obviously this is all speculation on may part. However, I am intrigued that several who are close to the investigation (and may have information that has not been made public) are willing to go on record and say that he may be alive. A very intriguing case.

All in all, I think it's 50/50 that he may have disappeared voluntarily and is still alive.

Selena Edon. I think she's alive. Maybe she's contacted her family but they haven't called the missing person sites to tell the good news.

After all she seemed to dissapear willingly. UM broadcasted her case only because her family suspected her strange behavior was caused by a previous head wound.

I noticed you guys mentioning the 'Smiley face killers' but it's my understanding this is just a theory...I don't know alot about it, but the Wikipedia article seems to leave an impression of something far from certain -

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Smiley_face_murder_theory

A criminal profiler is quoted as saying "If you look in an area five miles square, I bet you could find a smiley face." The FBI also doesn't seem convinced.

New information I found out about the Tammy Lynn Leppert case has now convinced me there is at least a 50-50 chance that she is alive.

I believe there is a good possibility that she planned her departure the day she disappeared and that her pregnancy had a lot to do with it,

I'll tell more later.

I'll tell more later.


What!?!! How can you leave us hanging with such a tantalizing statement as you think "she planned her departure". :eek:

With that pregnancy info, you're not going into "she's alive and living in Omaha" territory are you?

What!?!! How can you leave us hanging with such a tantalizing statement as you think "she planned her departure". :eek:

With that pregnancy info, you're not going into "she's alive and living in Omaha" territory are you?

Funny yoy should says that. As crazy as it sounds it's not impossible that she suffered the same fate as Judith Himes. But that's one possibility.

I need to check out a few facts before posting more. With a certain nutcase's spewing garbage about Tammy on forums...I don;t want to give him more ammunition.

Funny yoy should says that. As crazy as it sounds it's not impossible that she suffered the same fate as Judith Himes. But that's one possibility.

I need to check out a few facts before posting more. With a certain nutcase's spewing garbage about Tammy on forums...I don;t want to give him more ammunition.
Ooooh, mastermind, do tell. I'm intrigued. I'm convinced that Tammy did orchestrate her own disappearance.

I think Gordon Page Jr. might be dead. Someone might have took terrible advantage of him or something to that effect.

Adam Hecht is DEFINITELY dead....more then likely by the roommate.

The Tammy Lynn Leppert pregnancy theory is a little absurd IMHO. I could see a tennage girl running away for awhile in fear of what their parents might do, but for 27 years? Highly unlikely. She wasn't a criminal why in the world would she stay away that long?

She didn't take any clothes with her or anything. That girl was abducted and probably murdered.

Michael Hughes-Alive, likely with a different name and guardian.

Dale Kersetter-May have died of age or is alive under an assumed name.

Gordon Page-Undecided.

Adam Emery-Likely dead.

Adam Hecht-I'm gonna go with the "turned up as a John Doe" theory on this one.

Patricia Meehan-Alive, but hitchhiking with amnesia.

Star Palumbo-Possibly took too many drugs and broke down.

Susan Walsh-50/50 murdered or hiding.

Dale Williams-Killed by posing hitchhiker.

AJ Breaux-Undecided.

James Kimball-May have wound up in a mental hospital.

John Cheek. Suffered a breakdown from too much work and has amnesia.

Michael Hughes-Alive, likely with a different name and guardian.

After finally reading Matt Birkbeck's book, and learning some of the details of Franklin Floyd's life (what can be verified) I believe him to be dead, unfortunately. I think Floyd killed him.

Adam Hecht is DEFINITELY dead....more then likely by the roommate.

I agree

I wish they could find his weird roommate friend again and question him for 3 days in a small room with out food or water

I wish they could find his weird roommate friend again and question him for 3 days in a small room with out food or water

Who Tony?

I get your sentiment, but would that be any different than how Tony lives day to day?

I would think being in a small room would be an improvement. At least it has a roof.

I would think being in a small room would be an improvement. At least it has a roof.

Very true, I did not think of that :lol:

How about Oliver Munson?

Im pretty sure that Dennis Watson kidnapped and killed Oliver Munson so Munson would not be alive to testify in court against him

Hey Alvin, which case is your Avatar from? :)

Hey Alvin, which case is your Avatar from? :)

I'm not Alvin, or Simon or Theodore, but that is from the Son of Sam case.

Yes, MissKitka I agree with you about Leah Roberts. I posted in the forum about her a year or so back. I too think she is now deceased. I think she may have been alive for awhile, and hit her head in the accident and someone took advantage of her head injury and killed her.

I'm not Alvin, or Simon or Theodore, but that is from the Son of Sam case.

That is correct

Its one scene that scared the living piss out of me when I was like 10, just the way the actor playing Berkowitz is staring at her as he walks past :eek:

That is correct

Its one scene that scared the living piss out of me when I was like 10, just the way the actor playing Berkowitz is staring at her as he walks past :eek:


hahahaha...the living piss got scared out of me when he turns to the cops, all crazy eyed and smiley, and goes "What took you guy sso long?". FREAKED me out that he was so bat**** looney.

Its one scene that scared the living piss out of me when I was like 10, just the way the actor playing Berkowitz is staring at her as he walks past :eek:

I love the scene where Cecelia Davis (the woman who saw Berkowitz remove the parking ticket from his car) gives the 'chubby behemoth' a dirty look when he beeps at her friend's car. Then he comes strolling by when she's with her dog...

hahahaha...the living piss got scared out of me when he turns to the cops, all crazy eyed and smiley, and goes "What took you guy sso long?". FREAKED me out that he was so bat**** looney.


So true, I love how the actor says the line alos, real slow and creepy :eek:

I have read alot of people thought the actor who played Berkowitz sucked

I thought he was perfect

I feel there's a chance that Tammy Leppart could still be alive. Perhaps she left for some other country such as Argentina, or England. Maybe she wanted to escape her modeling/acting life and start a new life.

About Michael Hughes, I'm almost completely convinced that he's dead. Franklin Floyd is one sick individual, so I wouldn't put it over him to do something to the poor kid in a fit of rage. It's also been said that Floyd confessed to his sister that he drowned Michael, and disposed of his body in a river. When the police searched Floyd's truck, supposedly police scent dogs started barking at the truck's end. This indicated that a body had been in the truck.

I feel there's a chance that Tammy Leppart could still be alive. Perhaps she left for some other country such as Argentina, or England. Maybe she wanted to escape her modeling/acting life and start a new life.

I agree, there is a possibility that Tammy Leppert left on her on will.

She may even be living a fairly comfortable life.

We tend to focus on Tammy running into the "wrong person"...but it's also possible she ran into the "right person".

I agree, there is a possibility that Tammy Leppert left on her on will.

She may even be living a fairly comfortable life.

We tend to focus on Tammy running into the "wrong person"...but it's also possible she ran into the "right person".


Didn't Tammy leave home barefoot? I've never heard of some one leaving on their own will and disappearing without even putting shoes on

1. Anthonette Cayedito (dead)
was alive, now i believe is dead. Too old and is no longer used for what she may have been used for.
2. Gordon Page, JR. (more than likely dead)
could be alive and living somewhere, but forgot who he is and who is was.
3. Kristi Krebs (dead)
either alive and forgot who she was or is afraid to come back or is dead from exposure or maybe suicide, but if i had to guess, alive.
4. Angela Hammond (dead)
dead and maybe raped and her body may be in another state from where she lived. The killer isnt from the town and he's done this before i feel.
5. Michael Hughes (alive, maybe Floyd pawned him off on someone before he was incarcerated)
maybe alive, too hard, he keeps changing his story, i say alive and with someone he knows.
6. Tammy Lynn Leppert (dead)
dead, possibly by a serial killer who killed models.
7. Sneha Phillips (alive, I still think she snuck off)
i say dead by 9/11
8. Nyleen Kay Marshall (dead)
This is a tough one, i think it's possible she's alive and she's forgotten who she is and who she was, but she also could be dead and the killer is just so evil, he liked to tourture the police like he did.
9. Patricia Meehan (dead)
either dead (from a suicide or exposure to the weather) or alive and forgot who she was after her wreck.
10. Amber Swartz (dead)
i say dead here too, dont know if it's by the guy whose claiming to kill her or not though.
11. George Owens (wandered off and died)
dead, he was an older man, so i think he's dead now.
12. Amy Billig (dead, more than likely soon after she disappeared)
dead, likely kidnapped and killed.
13. Adam Emery (alive, living the high life somewhere)
i think he could be alive, but i also believe he could be dead. if i had to guess, he's alive.

1. Anthonette Cayedito (dead)
was alive, now i believe is dead. Too old and is no longer used for what she may have been used for.

I assume your referring to prostitution and sex slavery?

I'm not sure that would necessarily mean her death.

Especially since she might be even more attractive now, having grown fro adolescence.

How old would Antoinette be know?

2. Gordon Page, JR. (more than likely dead)
could be alive and living somewhere, but forgot who he is and who is was.

I think there is a more of a chance he is alive.

Several homeless people with even worse mental problems have managed to live for quite a long time on the streets.

3. Kristi Krebs (dead)
either alive and forgot who she was or is afraid to come back or is dead from exposure or maybe suicide, but if i had to guess, alive.

50/50.

4. Angela Hammond (dead)
dead and maybe raped and her body may be in another state from where she lived. The killer isnt from the town and he's done this before i feel.


Agreed.

Unless she is locked up in someone's basement like Jamie Gumb did in Silence of the Lambs. :(

5. Michael Hughes (alive, maybe Floyd pawned him off on someone before he was incarcerated)
maybe alive, too hard, he keeps changing his story, i say alive and with someone he knows.

Difficult to say. Most of it depends on your viewpoint and analysis of Floyd.

6. Tammy Lynn Leppert (dead)
dead, possibly by a serial killer who killed models.

I disagree there.

Given her actions that day, there is good chance she left on her own.

I also believe if she was murdered, a more likely suspect was the man who allegedly dropped her off.

7. Sneha Phillips (alive, I still think she snuck off)
i say dead by 9/11

Impossible to determine based on the evidence. All theories at this point are as valid.

8. Nyleen Kay Marshall (dead)
This is a tough one, i think it's possible she's alive and she's forgotten who she is and who she was, but she also could be dead and the killer is just so evil, he liked to tourture the police like he did.


Odds say that she was killed by her sexual predator.
God willing, her killer hopefully was arrested for another molestation and is serving time.

9. Patricia Meehan (dead)
either dead (from a suicide or exposure to the weather) or alive and forgot who she was after her wreck.

Depends on whether you believe the eyewitness reports that came out after the crash.

If you do believe the reports, Patricia Meehan falls in the same category as Kristi Krebbs and Gordon Page Jr. Mentally ill derelicts who's fates are unknown.

11. George Owens (wandered off and died)
dead, he was an older man, so i think he's dead now.


Obviously dead.

The question is was his death natural causes or foul play.

Don;t know how far an old man can "wander off" without his cane.

12. Amy Billig (dead, more than likely soon after she disappeared)
dead, likely kidnapped and killed.


Depends on how much stock is put in the biker kidnapping theory.

Didn't Tammy leave home barefoot? I've never heard of some one leaving on their own will and disappearing without even putting shoes o

The notion of her being barefoot apparently was false. Look around on the forum to get confirmation.

Tammy was also not left off in the middle of nowhere. She was dropped of near a bank.

According to man that dropped her off, Tammy wanted him to drive her to Fort Lauderdale.

I assume your referring to prostitution and sex slavery? I'm not sure that would necessarily mean her death. Especially since she might be even more attractive now, having grown fro adolescence. How old would Antoinette be know?
well, she's likely in her 30s now, i think she may have been killed by someone else.
I think there is a more of a chance he is alive. Several homeless people with even worse mental problems have managed to live for quite a long time on the streets.
me too, that's why i think he maybe alive. Maybe he's now homeless or is keeping a low profile because he forgot his name and changed it because he forgot it.
50/50.
yeah that's how i am too, i think it's VERY possible she's alive or dead. She may have killed herself or got killed while hitching rides or she's alive and forgotten herself.
Agreed. Unless she is locked up in someone's basement like Jamie Gumb did in Silence of the Lambs. :(
yeah, but i have to doubt that happened, i think the killer was an out of towner who raped and killed her and put her body in woods not in the place where she was kidnapped at.
Difficult to say. Most of it depends on your viewpoint and analysis of Floyd.
yeah agree, i think Floyd is lying about him being dead either that or is lying about where the body is.
I disagree there. Given her actions that day, there is good chance she left on her own. I also believe if she was murdered, a more likely suspect was the man who allegedly dropped her off.
true, it could be the man who dropped her off, but it could be the model killer.
Impossible to determine based on the evidence. All theories at this point are as valid.
yeah, this case is really odd
Odds say that she was killed by her sexual predator.
God willing, her killer hopefully was arrested for another molestation and is serving time.
true, i think the kidnapper is a sexual predator, but the question remains, is she alive and just forgot who she was?? or did he kill her and is taunting the people who believe she's alive.
Depends on whether you believe the eyewitness reports that came out after the crash. If you do believe the reports, Patricia Meehan falls in the same category as Kristi Krebbs and Gordon Page Jr. Mentally ill derelicts who's fates are unknown.
and i do believe them, which is why i think she also could be alive.
Obviously dead. The question is was his death natural causes or foul play.
Don;t know how far an old man can "wander off" without his cane.
yeah, we all know he's dead, i think it could be foul play though.
Depends on how much stock is put in the biker kidnapping theory.
this is another tough one, i say dead, but i think it wasnt by a biker kidnapping.

I think the same thing about Angela Hammond...she was probably killed that night.

I was just curious, what everyone's opinion was on the following missing person cases. I put my opinions to the side. Do you think simply, dead or alive? Feel free to add any others...

1. Anthonette Cayedito (dead)
2. Gordon Page, JR. (more than likely dead)
3. Kristi Krebs (dead)
4. Angela Hammond (dead)
5. Michael Hughes (alive, maybe Floyd pawned him off on someone before he was incarcerated)
6. Tammy Lynn Leppert (dead)
7. Sneha Phillips (alive, I still think she snuck off)
8. Nyleen Kay Marshall (dead)
9. Patricia Meehan (dead)
10. Amber Swartz (dead)
11. George Owens (wandered off and died)
12. Amy Billig (dead, more than likely soon after she disappeared)
13. Adam Emery (alive, living the high life somewhere)

Hmm, that's all i can think of now...what do you think?

1. Probably Dead
2. Maybe alive, living on the streets
3. Dead
4. Absolutely Dead
5. Absolutely Dead
6. Dead
7. Dead
8. Probably Dead, although a remote chance she's not
9. Dead
10. Dead
11. Dead
12. Dead
13. Dead

I generally don't believe abductors keep victims alive; of course, anything's possible.

1. Probably Dead
2. Maybe alive, living on the streets
3. Dead
4. Absolutely Dead
5. Absolutely Dead
6. Dead
7. Dead
8. Probably Dead, although a remote chance she's not
9. Dead
10. Dead
11. Dead
12. Dead
13. Dead

I generally don't believe abductors keep victims alive; of course, anything's possible.

I'm inclined to agree. Nine times out of ten, when missing persons have been gone for years, they are usually dead.

Because ordinary people typically do not let loved ones and family go on suffering for years wondering what happened to them. Even wanted fugitives sometimes write to their family or call from somewhere. Despite all the advanced technology in tracing phones its still relatively easy to make a phone call without someone knowing where you are.

Jacqueline Castenada (probably alive and has no idea she was kidnapped)
Tammy Lynn Leppert (dead--I believe the guy who was last with her knows more about her fate)
Amy Bradley (either fell overboard or was killed and disposed of on the ship)
Sneha Phillips (killed in 9/11, possibly after leaving her (girl)friend's home. She seems to have been hiding some elements of her life from her family.)
George Owens (dead, but the truck that followed his car is interesting)
Amy Billig (dead, but it's possible she with the bikers before being killed by them or overdosing)
Tara Calico (murdered/accidentally killed in the area where she went missing)
Lisa Bishop (either murdered or lost at sea)
Leonard Dirickson (murdered--possibly involved with drug dealing or other criminal enterprises, as his finances were bad. There's no good explanation for the guy showing up to his house.)
Star Palumbo (dead; possibly suicide as she seems to have had mental issues)
Paul Whipkey (dead due to medical condition or killed)
Justin Burgwinkel (possible suicide due to mental issues)

I'm inclined to agree. Nine times out of ten, when missing persons have been gone for years, they are usually dead.

Depends on the type of person missing.

There is a big difference when a 6 year old girls is missing from her house as a opposed to a 51 year old man who disappeared after his wife's body is found.

The type of person missing factors in heavily in a missing persons investigation.


Because ordinary people typically do not let loved ones and family go on suffering for years wondering what happened to them. Even wanted fugitives sometimes write to their family or call from somewhere


I have to disagree with that concept.

1. First of I don;t know how we can confirm whether or not fugitives have contacted. especially for the people that still remain fugitives.
2. One of the big reasons that people go on the lam is because of their family.
3. Many career criminals by nature tend to keep loose connections to begin with. There might not be much family to talk to.
4. Considering that your family is the easiest way to trace you. Criminals try to avoid contacting their family via phone and mail. Especially during the first year of being on the lam.
5. What rule is written that you can;t take your loved ones with you on the lam? Didn't Liz Carmichael have her/his(:p ) entire family with him when they found him/her?

Jacqueline Castenada (probably alive and has no idea she was kidnapped)

She may not care if she was either. Think about it. What if she was sold to a rich family and has this large trust fund she stands to inherit?

Sneha Phillips (killed in 9/11, possibly after leaving her (girl)friend's home. She seems to have been hiding some elements of her life from her family.)

Can't say for sure. For all we know that women she was with might just be an old schoolmate she ran into.


Lisa Bishop (either murdered or lost at sea)

Or she died imprisoned somewhere.

Leonard Dirickson (murdered--possibly involved with drug dealing or other criminal enterprises, as his finances were bad. There's no good explanation for the guy showing up to his house.)

Agreed.


Star Palumbo (dead; possibly suicide as she seems to have had mental issues)

Could be still alive.

Might have changed her name (and her face) and is working as a prostitute, or a stripper somwhere.


Paul Whipkey (dead due to medical condition or killed)

The circumstances of which have been hidden due to a coverup.


Justin Burgwinkel (possible suicide due to mental issues)

Not ready to narrow it down that much.

I still think there is a strong possibility that Jason went AWOL on purpose and is on the lam.

Might have changed her name (and her face) and is working as a prostitute, or a stripper somewhere.

I still think there is a strong possibility that Justin went AWOL on purpose and is on the lam.

Palumbo was already allegedly involved in prostitution. It's possible she's alive, but if she's deceased, I could easily see suicide or overdose as the cause of it. I have no idea if her being arrested for prostitution/drugs under an assumed identity would have her actual name flag up or not (I suppose not, unless she had been arrested prior to vanishing?)

And I agree Burgwinkel deliberately went AWOL, but I'm curious, after so many years, why he hasn't even attempted to contact his family -- even with cryptic 'secret military organization' messages. Unlike Whipkey's case, I don't think the military had anything to do with his disappearance.

And I agree Burgwinkel deliberately went AWOL, but I'm curious, after so many years, why he hasn't even attempted to contact his family -- even with cryptic 'secret military organization' messages. Unlike Whipkey's case, I don't think the military had anything to do with his disappearance.

I thought of the Burgwinkel case when I heard about Robert Spurlock, a deserter from my boyfriend's post, Schofield Barracks. He's been missing for almost three decades:

http://www.charleyproject.org/cases/s/spurlock_robert.html

Unlike Burgwinkel, Spurlock didn't leave under the pretenses of any "special mission", but he was distressed just before his disappearance. Interestingly enough, authorities believe, if he's alive, he may still be on Oahu, or at least within the Hawaiian Islands. The Charley Project page states that if Spurlock were to report back today, the Army would not seriously reprimand him.

I'm wondering what the legal basis of that is--I'm not extensively well-versed in UCMJ statutes concerning AWOL and desertion over an extended period of time--but surely Burgwinkel would've found it "safe" to resurface after a decade or so by contacting someone he knew. Wouldn't one reason by now he would've taken advantage of the internet to research exactly what would happen if he were to turn himself in?

I tend to think Burgwinkel probably killed himself, or is suffering mental illness somewhere on the streets. The latter is certainly my feeling on Spurlock, who probably had little money to return to the continental United States, and disappeared into one of the homeless communities here on Oahu. Hell, he could be somewhere in Honolulu right now for all I know.

I thought of the Burgwinkel case when I heard about Robert Spurlock, a deserter from my boyfriend's post, Schofield Barracks. He's been missing for almost three decades:

http://www.charleyproject.org/cases/s/spurlock_robert.html



That's an interesting case; I wonder if there was ever any investigation into local Hare Krishna groups to determine if Spurlock ever lived with them. Twenty year old events would be difficult to recall, though.

Another strange military case (one I really regret was never profiled on UM) is Richard Colvin Cox, a West Point cadet who vanished in 1950. A lot of mystery about Cox's acquaintance 'George' who likely either facilitated Cox's disappearance or murdered him. A book was written about the case, Oblivion -- unfortunately I have yet to purchase it.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Richard_Colvin_Cox

That's an interesting case; I wonder if there was ever any investigation into local Hare Krishna groups to determine if Spurlock ever lived with them. Twenty year old events would be difficult to recall, though.

Another strange military case (one I really regret was never profiled on UM) is Richard Colvin Cox, a West Point cadet who vanished in 1950. A lot of mystery about Cox's acquaintance 'George' who likely either facilitated Cox's disappearance or murdered him. A book was written about the case, Oblivion -- unfortunately I have yet to purchase it.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Richard_Colvin_Cox

Also very interesting. I'd never heard of it before until you mentioned it. With all of these really puzzling, engaging military stories, I wonder why UM decided not to go with some more like them. I guess Mastermind was right on the money a few posts back though--the Burgwinkel case had a lot of "wild" elements in it that made for better drama, I suppose.

Not that his disappearance isn't important, of course--it certainly is. But to try to put that "military conspiracy" twist on it......argh. :rolleyes:

Depends on the type of person missing.

There is a big difference when a 6 year old girls is missing from her house as a opposed to a 51 year old man who disappeared after his wife's body is found.

The type of person missing factors in heavily in a missing persons investigation.




I have to disagree with that concept.

1. First of I don;t know how we can confirm whether or not fugitives have contacted. especially for the people that still remain fugitives.
2. One of the big reasons that people go on the lam is because of their family.
3. Many career criminals by nature tend to keep loose connections to begin with. There might not be much family to talk to.
4. Considering that your family is the easiest way to trace you. Criminals try to avoid contacting their family via phone and mail. Especially during the first year of being on the lam.
5. What rule is written that you can;t take your loved ones with you on the lam? Didn't Liz Carmichael have her/his(:p ) entire family with him when they found him/her?


Well obviously every case is different. And yes there certainly there are people who want away from their families. But law abiding citizens who are not wanted by the law have no reason to just dissapear suddenly without a trace. If they want away from their families and they are adults, they typically just say audious and hit the road. Just dissapearing without saying goodbye or anything is not in the norm. Not saying it doesn't happen or is unheard of, but generally when that happens the majority of the time there is some type of foul play involved.

But as you say, with criminals they have obvious reasons to stay hidden and not contact anyone. Law abiding citizens typically don't.

But then there is also underage runaways like Tammy Lynn Leppert may have been. She obviously did have possible reasons to run away I can agree with that. She was supposedly pregnant and given her liefstyle I could easily see her running away.

But I find it difficult to believe she would dissapear for twenty seven years without contacting anyone. I don't really know what the statistics on runaways are, but I am betting that most of them return after a time period.

My main point is, wanted fugitives have reasons to stay hidden forever if they can. Law abiding citizens do not. Even if they want nothing to do with their families they typically at least let someone know they are alive so people stop looking into their dissapearance.

And my personal opinion is when they have been gone a long time, typically they are usually deceased.

1. Anthonette Cayedito (even if I am to believe the sighting at the restaurant and the phone call, I think she is dead. She did not seem like a cooperative hostage and wouldn't have just developed the Stockholm Syndrome)
2. Gordon Page, JR. (more than likely dead)
3. Kristi Krebs (dead)
4. Angela Hammond (dead, stranger things have happened and she AND the baby could possibly be alive but more than likely not)
5. Michael Hughes (alive, maybe Floyd pawned him off on someone before he was incarcerated)
6. Tammy Lynn Leppert (dead, too many weird things)
7. Sneha Phillips (alive)
8. Nyleen Kay Marshall (alive. Yes I think so. I believe the letter. She'd be my age and I don't think she knows who she is)
9. Patricia Meehan (dead, met with some unsavoury people who probably took advantage of her probable amnesia)
10. Amber Swartz (dead)
11. George Owens (met with foul play. I don't know why else you couldn't find an 87 year old man)
12. Amy Billig (dead, but I do believe the biker story)
13. Adam Emery (dead, too many weird circumstances for him to be alive)

Other names:
Tommy Gibson - 90% chance he's dead either by his father or the underrated kidnapping story
Michaela Galbrecht - Alive. If Jaycee is alive why not her? I'm going out on a limb here
Michael Riemer - Dead, and not responsible for his wife's death
Charlotte Pollis - Dead. Probably by the Pollis family, but the more I look at it the more I wonder how one-sided that segment was
Cassie Nicole men - All dead. The sea or some pirates got them
Dottie Caylor - Alive. Or maybe dead. But I've always felt she left on her own will and wasn't murdered by Jules

1. Anthonette Cayedito (even if I am to believe the sighting at the restaurant and the phone call, I think she is dead. She did not seem like a cooperative hostage and wouldn't have just developed the Stockholm Syndrome)
2. Gordon Page, JR. (more than likely dead)
3. Kristi Krebs (dead)
4. Angela Hammond (dead, stranger things have happened and she AND the baby could possibly be alive but more than likely not)
5. Michael Hughes (alive, maybe Floyd pawned him off on someone before he was incarcerated)
6. Tammy Lynn Leppert (dead, too many weird things)
7. Sneha Phillips (alive)
8. Nyleen Kay Marshall (alive. Yes I think so. I believe the letter. She'd be my age and I don't think she knows who she is)
9. Patricia Meehan (dead, met with some unsavoury people who probably took advantage of her probable amnesia)
10. Amber Swartz (dead)
11. George Owens (met with foul play. I don't know why else you couldn't find an 87 year old man)
12. Amy Billig (dead, but I do believe the biker story)
13. Adam Emery (dead, too many weird circumstances for him to be alive)

Other names:
Tommy Gibson - 90% chance he's dead either by his father or the underrated kidnapping story
Michaela Galbrecht - Alive. If Jaycee is alive why not her? I'm going out on a limb here
Michael Riemer - Dead, and not responsible for his wife's death
Charlotte Pollis - Dead. Probably by the Pollis family, but the more I look at it the more I wonder how one-sided that segment was
Cassie Nicole men - All dead. The sea or some pirates got them
Dottie Caylor - Alive. Or maybe dead. But I've always felt she left on her own will and wasn't murdered by Jules

Eh, I don't think anyone who went missing on 9/11 is going to just show up in 2011.

I thought of the Burgwinkel case when I heard about Robert Spurlock, a deserter from my boyfriend's post, Schofield Barracks. He's been missing for almost three decades:

http://www.charleyproject.org/cases/s/spurlock_robert.html

Unlike Burgwinkel, Spurlock didn't leave under the pretenses of any "special mission", but he was distressed just before his disappearance. Interestingly enough, authorities believe, if he's alive, he may still be on Oahu, or at least within the Hawaiian Islands. The Charley Project page states that if Spurlock were to report back today, the Army would not seriously reprimand him.

I'm wondering what the legal basis of that is--I'm not extensively well-versed in UCMJ statutes concerning AWOL and desertion over an extended period of time--but surely Burgwinkel would've found it "safe" to resurface after a decade or so by contacting someone he knew. Wouldn't one reason by now he would've taken advantage of the internet to research exactly what would happen if he were to turn himself in?

I tend to think Burgwinkel probably killed himself, or is suffering mental illness somewhere on the streets. The latter is certainly my feeling on Spurlock, who probably had little money to return to the continental United States, and disappeared into one of the homeless communities here on Oahu. Hell, he could be somewhere in Honolulu right now for all I know.

I'm not 100% on the UCMJ's stance on desertion, but I DO know that deserters from the Korean War and Vietnam War were usually given dishonorable or general discharges when they decided to return. I would have to imagine that if Spurlock were still alive that he would receive the same treatment.

I'm not 100% on the UCMJ's stance on desertion, but I DO know that deserters from the Korean War and Vietnam War were usually given dishonorable or general discharges when they decided to return. I would have to imagine that if Spurlock were still alive that he would receive the same treatment.

He would. Generally most desertion charges get dropped after such long periods, although they don't have to be.

Eh, I don't think anyone who went missing on 9/11 is going to just show up in 2011.

Who are you refering to?

Who are you refering to?

Shena Phillips

Shena Phillips

Sneha Phillips.
And I'm not sure that she is dead,although the state of New York seems to disagree.

So Mastermind never told what he knew about Tammy?? :(

Weird to see that Kadrmas accusing someone of being a serial killer on the first page, especially someone that turned out to be innocent. Wasn't he in the "nobody's ever guilty" crowd?

I'm also curious...

If she was pregnant, that last fight in the car makes a lot more sense. I had always just attributed that to one more crazy outburst, but this would change my impression significantly about the event, but sadly, not the outcome.

I've always hoped that she was alive (and still do), but I think its highly probable that she's not. Like MegtheEgg86 mentioned 5 years ago about Justin Burgwinkel, its hard for me to imagine these folks not using the internet at least occasionally to check up on their "former" selves. If Tammy really did want to escape her mother, wouldn't she contact her sister who is still searching for her and her mother has passed away? If she was really scared about the drug & money laundering ring, as a more rational adult, she could have come forward & sought protection. If she was pregnant & unmarried, like Judy Hymes' friend stated, the stigmas about such circumstances are long gone. (perhaps even longer (and goner ;) ) in the 25 years since the segment)

Weird to see that Kadrmas accusing someone of being a serial killer on the first page, especially someone that turned out to be innocent. Wasn't he in the "nobody's ever guilty" crowd?

Okay, that made me laugh.

Yeah, he was a wannabe defense lawyer (I'm almost certain he never became one).

1. Anthonette Cayedito (50/50) If taken to a foreign country, could be held somewhere or have started a new life.
2. Gordon Page, JR. (50/50. Could be alive if taken in by someone or among the homeless, but if left to his own devices, could be deceased by now.)
3. Kristi Krebs (deceased, or possibly living among the homeless or as a transient)
4. Angela Hammond (Almost positively deceased. This was a VERY sad case IMO)
5. Michael Hughes (50/50 on this one too)
6. Tammy Lynn Leppert (Possibly alive, if as mentally unbalanced as Wing and her mother led us to believe, could be a similar situation to Miss Krebs.)
7. Sneha Phillips (Don't remember this one.)
8. Nyleen Kay Marshall (deceased)
9. Patricia Meehan (Quite possibly alive)
10. Amber Swartz (Probably deceased, but after what happened with Jaycee Dugard, anything is possible.)
11. George Owens (Pretty much surely deceased by this point. Would be 110 if still living)
12. Amy Billig (Very likely deceased)
13. Adam Emery (alive)

I'll add a few more:

14. Lauria Bible and Ashley Freeman (Likely deceased, unless held somewhere for nefarious reasons or sold to a sex industry. This is another case that REALLY baffled me.)
15. Cynthia Anderson (Likely deceased by now)

16. Dottie Caylor (Deceased by now; probably murdered)

17. Star Polumbo (50/50 She was into drugs and I believe worked as a prostitute, so more like 25/75, really. Trying to be optimistic here.)

Okay, that made me laugh.


Me, too.

But I have to say that the killer of Mike Reimer was pretty smart to take the little girl to the shopping mall. I'm guessing he/she never imagined it would take nearly 30 years to find Mike's remains, but that it would buy time and cause people to question whether or not he did it or was a victim himself, as it would seem likely that the father would spare the child rather than a random killer. For years I thought Mike was probably guilty because of that factor and his known abuse of Diana. Such a sad case. I hope one day we learn who the killer was and some justice is served.

Based not just on UM's segment, but also on the episode of DISAPPEARED r.e her, I strongly believe that Suzanne Walsh was most likely murdered shortly after she vanished. Considering that her research about the Russian Mafia's sex trafficking went public with the book RED LIGHT, I'm sure there were a lot of people in that world that had it out for her.

Forgive me if I'm mistaken, but weren't the remains of Ashley Freeman and Lauria Bible found some years after they disappeared?

Forgive me if I'm mistaken, but weren't the remains of Ashley Freeman and Lauria Bible found some years after they disappeared?
Unfortunately not. Two separate serial killers have claimed to be responsible, one of them claiming to have put their bodies in mine shafts, but so far, nothing has been found.

Adam Emery was declared legally dead in 2004 however in 2010 the FBI put him back on their most wanted list.

Adam Emery should have been a con man. He's fooling people decades after his death.

The FBI has no credibility when it comes to cases involving basic probability. They are completely overmatched and clueless. Obviously there is very little training along those lines. Old timers within high positions of the department who clutch one viewpoint have quite a bit of influence and when they are approaching retirement they hand pick someone with similar perspective and bias to take over. I've read many articles and one book along those lines once I sensed the trend about 5 or 6 years ago. It's more widespread and startling than realized. That department really needs an injection of clarity and new thought.