First I want to thank you for bringing to my attention that Bill was a coach in Cleveland because I never knew he was the oach of the browns, probably because I was 16 at the time and then was in college during his last two years in Cleveland. But after doing research this morning I found out


Owner Art Modell felt he was too shy, and withdrawn to be a headcoach and didn't reate well to his players

The Fans of Cleveland was pissed wen Bill benched Bernie Kosar and one fan ever buried his season tickets

Berne Kosar and Bill Belechick never got along

Bill felt Bernie Kosar was too slow and his arm was to gimpy to be a NFL QB

Fans of Cleveland hated Bill Belechick

Bernie Kosar would ignore the plays sent into him by Belechick and called his own plays



THINGS I NEVER KNEW-lol

I used to listen to a Cleveland radio sports station at night back then and the fans hated him with a passion. Replacing Bernie Kosar with Vinnie Testaverde was stupid. Of course Bernie went to Dallas as a backup to Troy Aikman and won a SB so it worked out well for him in the end.

I used to listen to a Cleveland radio sports station at night back then and the fans hated him with a passion. Replacing Bernie Kosar with Vinnie Testaverde was stupid. Of course Bernie went to Dallas as a backup to Troy Aikman and won a SB so it worked out well for him in the end.



I never really thought Bernie was qualified to be a NFL QB. He was very slow and always threw side arml-lol And don't even get me started on his mobility. I don't think it was nothing wrong with Bill Belechick doing what he felt was best for the team. Regardless of whether the fans liked him or not Bill was paid to coach not please the fans. Cleveland fans sound just as stupid as philly fans-lol

I never really thought Bernie was qualified to be a NFL QB. He was very slow and always threw side arml-lol And don't even get me started on his mobility. I don't think it was nothing wrong with Bill Belechick doing what he felt was best for the team. Regardless of whether the fans liked him or not Bill was paid to coach not please the fans. Cleveland fans sound just as stupid as philly fans-lol
Bernie did lead the Browns to 3 AFC Title games though and Vinnie especially back then was a real bad NFL QB. Every other pass he threw seemed to be an interception. This is before he turned his career around playing for the Jets. Vinnie wasn't very mobile either.

Bernie did lead the Browns to 3 AFC Title games though and Vinnie especially back then was a real bad NFL QB. Every other pass he threw seemed to be an interception. This is before he turned his career around playing for the Jets. Vinnie wasn't very mobile either.


Yeah he did but I think he was more suited for the back up role

Bernie Kosar did lead Cleveland to 3 AFC title games in 4 years. Cleveland also hasn't had a good quarterback since Kosar.

And for the record on the day Kosar was cut, Testaverde was hurt and they started Tood Philcox that week. Now tell me how that makes sense, that is not whats best for the team. Also after Bellichick cut Kosar, they pretty much played horribly. Kosar still holds the record for consecutive attempts without an interception. Testaverde never came close to that. Cleveland needs another player like Kosar. His popularity has been unmatched by any player to play for the Browns since him. Bill Bellichick is one of the reasons I stopped watching the Browns, and didn't until after they came back in 1999.

Fans of Cleveland hated Bill Bellichick because of how he treated Kosar, btw.
That and the fact his play calling was horrible. If Bernie was calling his own plays, it was simply because that "Metcalf up the middle" play didn't work.

Fans of Cleveland hated Bill Bellichick because of how he treated Kosar, btw.
That and the fact his play calling was horrible. If Bernie was calling his own plays, it was simply because that "Metcalf up the middle" play didn't work.


But you still have to respect your coach and run the plays he told you to run

I don't know that was the case. I'm just taking your word for it.

I don't know that was the case. I'm just taking your word for it.


That was the case, I stumbled across a sports illustrated article from 1993 and he ignored the plays sent in by Belechick

I remember so well that night in 1993 when Bill cut Bernie...I was in 8th grade. Everyone was up in arms, as mentioned before. That Christmas my Girl Scout leader's son and I always sang "Bill Belechick got run over by a reindeer". :lol: Of course, Bernie had the last laugh when he hooked up with Dallas and ended up with a Super Bowl ring.

Before the Browns left after the 1995 season, Bill's face showed up on the Jumbotron at Jacobs Field during an Indians game (it was an advertisement between innings for some new sports show). The fans in the ballpark immediately started booing!! :rofl:

Bernie still does commentary for the Browns on several local sports shows. In fact, I just saw him on TV a couple of days ago. He will always be one of Cleveland's most beloved sons.

Bernie still does commentary for the Browns on several local sports shows. In fact, I just saw him on TV a couple of days ago. He will always be one of Cleveland's most beloved sons.

Amen to that!

I remember so well that night in 1993 when Bill cut Bernie...I was in 8th grade. Everyone was up in arms, as mentioned before. That Christmas my Girl Scout leader's son and I always sang "Bill Belechick got run over by a reindeer". :lol: Of course, Bernie had the last laugh when he hooked up with Dallas and ended up with a Super Bowl ring.

Before the Browns left after the 1995 season, Bill's face showed up on the Jumbotron at Jacobs Field during an Indians game (it was an advertisement between innings for some new sports show). The fans in the ballpark immediately started booing!! :rofl:

Bernie still does commentary for the Browns on several local sports shows. In fact, I just saw him on TV a couple of days ago. He will always be one of Cleveland's most beloved sons.
I'll always be grateful to Bernie for coming to Dallas. He helped us win that NFC Chanpionship game against the 49ers after Aikman went out.

Yep and bernie got his ring.

Please don't make Bernie Kosar more than what he was, the cowboys had emmit snith and great receivers. They could have put anyone of us at QB and they still would have won. So don't give me that BERNIE help Dallas reach the SB-lol

Sorry Soloman, Bernie is a god in Cleveland.

Sorry Soloman, Bernie is a god in Cleveland.


why? I don't recall any SB rings while he was there

Well, Solomon, Bernie came to the Browns straight out of college. He was born in the area, and has stayed loyal to the city by living here year round. He's always been involved with various charities in the area. Besides all that, he was never a showboat like so many current NFL stars are. He's always been a basically down to earth guys, treating the fans like good friends. Bernie's friendliness with the fans made him a favorite right from the start. Bernie still does commentary for the Browns on various local sports shows.

As for no Super Bowl rings during his reign, he never had a good enough defensive line. If we'd had a few stronger players (and a better coach) - who knows what could have been?

Well, Solomon, Bernie came to the Browns straight out of college. He was born in the area, and has stayed loyal to the city by living here year round. He's always been involved with various charities in the area. Besides all that, he was never a showboat like so many current NFL stars are. He's always been a basically down to earth guys, treating the fans like good friends. Bernie's friendliness with the fans made him a favorite right from the start. Bernie still does commentary for the Browns on various local sports shows.

As for no Super Bowl rings during his reign, he never had a good enough defensive line. If we'd had a few stronger players (and a better coach) - who knows what could have been?



I can understand that but the fans had no right to crticize Bill when his job was to do what HE felt was best for the team in order to have success.

So the fans have to right to criticize a coach? Give me a break, it happens all the time. It's a fact of life when you're team isn't playing well. They were doing it to Crenell for the last year also. For the record cleveland was 5-2 under Kosar when he was benched... Do you know what Cleveland's final record in 1993 was?

As for no Super Bowl rings during his reign, he never had a good enough defensive line. If we'd had a few stronger players (and a better coach) - who knows what could have been?

Kosar had a great defense and a great coach under Schottenheimer. They just couldn't get past John Elway. Marty got a little too greedy in 1988 and wanted too much control, so Modell let him go. There were a lot of great players during that run from 86-90. Those were the highlights of my childhood. Modell and Bellichick (definitely moreso Modell) ruined Cleveland football and I don't think it's been the same since. This city deserves a better team than the one they've put on the field the last 8 years, and I think it's definitely taking a turn for the better. I don't think Romeo is the answer, but Phil Savage is definitely building a nice team, and if Romeo don't get it done this year, I think it's his last, and Cleveland will have to start over yet again. Maybe next time with Cowher!?

It sure would be interesting to see what the Browns could be under someone like Bill Cowher! I'm not sure if Romeo is the answer, either, but I'll wait until we're more games in to judge.

I went all through school with a nephew of Bob Golic's. When I was in 5th grade, Bob Golic visited our school. I remember seeing him shake hands with one of the teachers. The guy was so huge!! So tall and muscular. Years later, when I was working at a movie theater, he came in to see a movie with some family members. They bought the tickets at my window. He didn't look quite so tall anymore, probably because since the fifth grade I've grown up to 5'8". :lol: In any case, he was pleasant and courteous to me, and I appreciated it. :D

So the fans have to right to criticize a coach? Give me a break, it happens all the time. It's a fact of life when you're team isn't playing well. They were doing it to Crenell for the last year also. For the record cleveland was 5-2 under Kosar when he was benched... Do you know what Cleveland's final record in 1993 was?


But what else is a coach supposed to do ii his QB is not respecting him? Kosat left him with no other option

are you talking about this article?? quarterbacks audible all the time. manning does it on almost every play.


The belief persists that Cleveland coach Bill Belichick and his erstwhile quarterback, Bernie Kosar, had an explosive relationship that led to Kosar's release (SI, Nov. 22). Not true. The two did not get along, but their differences never boiled over. Truth is, Belichick sincerely believed that Kosar was too slow and his arm too gimpy to flourish in any NFL offense.

Kosar also became too independent for Belichick's tastes, and that may be what finished him in Cleveland. In the Browns' 24-14 loss to Miami on Oct. 10, Kosar called an audible, and the result was a touchdown pass to wideout Michael Jackson. On Cleveland's next offensive play Kosar called another audible, and it produced a two-yard completion to Jackson. After Belichick called the next play, he shouted to Kosar, "Run the play we're sending in!"

He did not trust his quarterback to run the right plays, and the quarterback did not trust many of the plays being sent in. "I wasn't insubordinate," says Kosar. "I wasn't cancerous about it. When I audibled, I audibled to plays that I knew would work better. The [Cleveland] offense, as it exists now, cannot be consistently successful."

are you talking about this article?? quarterbacks audible all the time. manning does it on almost every play.


The belief persists that Cleveland coach Bill Belichick and his erstwhile quarterback, Bernie Kosar, had an explosive relationship that led to Kosar's release (SI, Nov. 22). Not true. The two did not get along, but their differences never boiled over. Truth is, Belichick sincerely believed that Kosar was too slow and his arm too gimpy to flourish in any NFL offense.

Kosar also became too independent for Belichick's tastes, and that may be what finished him in Cleveland. In the Browns' 24-14 loss to Miami on Oct. 10, Kosar called an audible, and the result was a touchdown pass to wideout Michael Jackson. On Cleveland's next offensive play Kosar called another audible, and it produced a two-yard completion to Jackson. After Belichick called the next play, he shouted to Kosar, "Run the play we're sending in!"

He did not trust his quarterback to run the right plays, and the quarterback did not trust many of the plays being sent in. "I wasn't insubordinate," says Kosar. "I wasn't cancerous about it. When I audibled, I audibled to plays that I knew would work better. The [Cleveland] offense, as it exists now, cannot be consistently successful."


Yes that's the one