Any Hillman episode.

Any scenes where characters did Shakespeare or MacBeth or anything remotely like that.

Pam

Olivia

Anybody that came on board in the later seasons.

Vanessa's hairstyles. It all started with that wedge haircut or as I call it the "gumby look"...that was made famous by R&B singer Bobby Brown. :rolleyes:

Denise's wardrobe and some of her hideous hairstyles too.

Elvin and his whimpy persona.

Sondra being controlling. It seems she had to end up with Elvin. What other man would tolerate that kind of attitude?

Theo getting so mad at Cockroach for being on DanceMania.

The puppet/muppet episode.

Pinochle scenes.

The scene of Cliff and other gentlemen playing basketball against those young girls.

Sondra being controlling. It seems she had to end up with Elvin. What other man would tolerate that kind of attitude?
Will We Know Who She Got It From.

Sondra being controlling. It seems she had to end up with Elvin. What other man would tolerate that kind of attitude?
Will We Know Who She Got It From.
For damn sure. :lol:

We could have done without
-Cliff's sweater collection
-Cliff's "funny faces"
-The "Grandparents" shows
-Hillman & any MENTION of it
-Sondra ( Why bring the oldest daughter home from college, when there was already too big a cast?)
-All the shows after the Hillman ep..........I never watched them anyway! :D

Theo teaching at the community center, Now those were some boring scenes.

Mikey and Brie, I so agree with your posts.
I did like the grandparents when the family was singing (lip-synching) to those songs. Those scenes are hilarious. I also liked when the grandparents were over for the barbecue and Theo brought up in that episode abt giving Martin a belated bachelor party. Seeing Grandma Huxtable getting upset after all those years made me :rofl:

Theo at the community center was indeed boring.

I always liked the scenes with Theo at the community center, especially the one where Theo's student's mother asks Theo on a date at the parent-teacher conference. I thought it was funny.

But, I could have done without a lot of things, like Sondra. They added her to the cast, but she was only around half the episodes each season. And, the episodes she was in, it was pointless for her being there. I completely could have doen without her and Elvin. I definitel could have done without Hillman altogether, like most of us could. There's also Theo's overreacting about every little thing that bothered me. It seemed like whenever someone did something he didn't like, he had to whine and complain about it. That always bothered me.

I always liked the scenes with Theo at the community center, especially the one where Theo's student's mother asks Theo on a date at the parent-teacher conference. I thought it was funny.

But, I could have done without a lot of things, like Sondra. They added her to the cast, but she was only around half the episodes each season. And, the episodes she was in, it was pointless for her being there. I completely could have doen without her and Elvin. I definitel could have done without Hillman altogether, like most of us could. There's also Theo's overreacting about every little thing that bothered me. It seemed like whenever someone did something he didn't like, he had to whine and complain about it. That always bothered me.
And what was funny abt Theo getting mad is that he didn't seem to know how to be mad. He would get mad at the dumbest things, and when he did get mad was that he did come off as a complainer/whiner. Like the DanceMania episode when he threw the phone out in the street. :lol: That was funny, but the overdramatics he showed was not believable at all.

I guess Im the only one who liked Pam lol. Anyway, I couldve done without Sandra, her character seemed pointess and boring.

I guess Im the only one who liked Pam lol. Anyway, I couldve done without Sandra, her character seemed pointess and boring.
Well, i think the point of Sondra was...........oh yeah, youre right, she was pointless and boring! :lol:

Platinumblondlife, I like Pam too. I don't know why people complain so much at her. Olivia was a much worse and pointless addition. Rudy was still on the show and didn't have to be replaced by a new "little kid", while Vanessa went off to college in Philadelphia, and there WAS room for a new teenage girl.

About Sondra and Elvin, well, I must say I really laughed, when Cliff and Claire first visited their first apartment. But maybe they weren't funny otherwise. But then, I don't watch this show to get a laugh anyway. I think they belong on the show just as much as anyone else does, even though how they brought Sondra into the show was a little bit weird. I think poor Elvin was treated badly in the beginning. He was a sweet guy, but just because he didn't jump right on Claire's train of feminism, he was labeled "a bad guy". But he would never really hurt Sondra. He even tried to adjust himself to the views, which Claire had planted into Sondra. I think Kenny and his brother was more to worry about than Elvin. And yet, Cliff had to call Kenny "Elvin" in a bad way once.

I think the actress who played Pam should have played Sondra instead. However, rather than have the character of Sondra be played out the way we we saw her, rather, have the Sondra character be more like the Pam character. Still have the character be a student at Princeton, but be more funnier like the Pam character, be more grounded. Sondra seemed to "uppity" for my taste and was just a clone of Claire.

My negative feelings towards Pam were simply that she wasn't needed on the show. Olivia and her were just two too many characters. I like how Pam was, we just didn't need that by that point in the show. Why couldn't the character of Sondra be more like the Pam character, with the actress who played her?

Well, poor Erika Alexander did look older than what she probably was. But I don't think she could how looked like a twenty-year-old in 1984. I'm looking it up... Well, she was born in 1969... So she was over twenty, when she played a teenager... But she probably couldn't have done a twenty-year-old in 1984. I can understand, that it felt weird to suddenly have her on the show, but really, Vanessa wasn't around, so there was room for a teenage girl on the show. In my opinion, it looked like there were many people on the show in the opening credits, but by that time, all these people were needed to make an entire season. I also have to agree, that Sondra very much seems like a Claire clone. Far more so than any other of her daughters, except maybe Rudy.

I guess Im the only one who liked Pam lol. Anyway, I couldve done without Sandra, her character seemed pointess and boring.


I TOTALLY AGREE!!! I loved the Pam character, she was funny and she fit in well. I don't think that Sandra really blended well with the others, she was like the odd ball of the bunch. Also in the beginning Elvin got on my nerves, his way of thinking was sooooooooooooo old fashion. I don't see where he got it from because he parts didn't see to be that closed minded

He he, poor Elvin... He didn't want his wife to be a career woman like his mother. Unfortuneately, he fell in love with Sondra, whose mother was among the worst bitches in sitcom history, and she wanted her daughters to her clones, that is successful career women, who controled their husbands. Actually, nothing Elvin said ever got on my nerves. The people complaining at him did. He was a sweet guy, who just wasn't as "feministic" as Claire was and had made Cliff be. He didn't deserve that treatment.

Kudos to you for liking Pam though. It seems like there are three of us now.

He he, poor Elvin... He didn't want his wife to be a career woman like his mother. Unfortuneately, he fell in love with Sondra, whose mother was among the worst bitches in sitcom history, and she wanted her daughters to her clones, that is successful career women, who controled their husbands. Actually, nothing Elvin said ever got on my nerves. The people complaining at him did. He was a sweet guy, who just wasn't as "feministic" as Claire was and had made Cliff be. He didn't deserve that treatment.

Kudos to you for liking Pam though. It seems like there are three of us now.


I wouldn't say poor Elvin, Claire didn't do a thing to the man. His way of thinking is what got him put in his place. As time went on he became rational and came to his senses.

Well, well... Yeah, when you mention it, Claire didn't say anything, except when they were pulling a joke on Cliff, which is weird... But it feels like if Sondra had had a different kind of mother, she might not have had started those stupid batte of the sexes arguements with Elvin. Now, I might be more conservative than the average modern woman, but I don't think he said anything too bad. I actually think Kenny was worse, but he was also much younger than Elvin and influenced by his brother.

The only episodes with Sondra/Elvin I liked were the ones where Cliff and Claire visited their first apartment, and the one where Sondra was going crazy cause she though Clair and Elvin's mother were kidnapping her babies. Completely foolish and unbelievable, but I laugh really hard at points-LOL

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I TOTALLY AGREE!!! I loved the Pam character, she was funny and she fit in well. I don't think that Sandra really blended well with the others, she was like the odd ball of the bunch. Also in the beginning Elvin got on my nerves, his way of thinking was sooooooooooooo old fashion. I don't see where he got it from because he parts didn't see to be that closed minded
You got that right. I don't get that. And yes, what you say abt his parents is true. The first time they introduced his parents, I was expecting a very old-fashioned mother and a father who felt women only belonged in the kitchen. Far from it, so we are supposed to believe that Elvin was just born this way? :rolleyes:

Maybe he didn't like his parents?

Or he spent too much time with his grandparents who had those views? It sure would have been nice to know where those views came from. It sure didn't make sense. Just something to throw in Sondra's face so she could have a reason to argue.

Or he spent too much time with his grandparents who had those views? It sure would have been nice to know where those views came from. It sure didn't make sense. Just something to throw in Sondra's face so she could have a reason to argue.

In my opinion, the only reason Elvin czame along in the first place was to keep the character of Sondra in the show. Without Elvin, I'm sure Sondra would have been written out later in the series.

Or he spent too much time with his grandparents who had those views? It sure would have been nice to know where those views came from. It sure didn't make sense. Just something to throw in Sondra's face so she could have a reason to argue.
Yes, Irene, I think you're right! For the first two years, Sondra and Elvin did nothing but argue about male and female and who should do what and who shouldn't do what. And even after they got married, there were silly arguements now and then.

Furienna & Roseanne 89-87 I think we hit it on the head. Elvin was created as a character for Sondra to "have issues" with. It sure didn't make sense for Sondra to be with a man with such views abt women when she herself was so strong-willed, career-minded and not willing to deal with such male chauvinistic views. And for Elvin to fall for a girl who was almost everything he didn't want to see in a woman.

I will admit the times Sondra got upset at Elvin for "opening doors" for her, lifting heavy items such has her suitcase, that was just petty. I love men who know how to be a gentleman and treat a woman with such respect.

But like you said Furienna, I am sure Elvin was created specifically to fight with the character of Sondra for laughs and as Roseanne88-97 stated, he was brought in merely to be with Sondra or else there would be no reason to have her. How funny would her strong-willed views be if she had no one to argue with?

About Pam, it seemed to me like Pam was the most normal and together of the Huxtable girls. Vanessa, Denise and Sondra all became very whiny and irresponsible in later seasons. The Huxtable girls all seemed pretty irresponsible as time went on. Sondra wanting to start a wilderness store and then depending on her parents to provide for her and her husband by wanting to move in (and making them feel guilty if they didnt), depending on them and no one else to take care of their children if something happened to them, as well as Vanessa feeling the need to sneak out and later get married in order to prove how "adult" she was. And of course Denise became totally dependent on her parents after high school. I was surprised by how COMPLETELY irresponsible Denise became post-high school...but I found it was funny lol.

I think I will reply to you both in one post...

Ireneparalegal: I like to think, that Sondra and Elvin had something in common. If nothing else, they were both intelligent enough to graduate from Princeton. But it seems like you're right. Sondra argued with Elvin all the time, because it must have been considered funny. I don't think it's funny, but then, I actually don't watch this show to laugh. I just think it's interesting to watch.

Platinumblondlife: Pam had probably had to take care of herself more. I don't understand how Cliff and Claire, even between the two of them, managed to both have successful busy career jobs and still raise five children and keep a tidy house, but they did. But Pam came from a poorer background, living with only her mother (Where was her father anyway?) in an apartment, which was small enough to fit into the Huxtable living room. She just wasn't as spoiled as the Huxtable kids were. And she wasn't as dependant on other people as they were. The Huxtable kids were spoiled, maybe Cliff and Claire just gave them a lot of money, and then threw them out of the house, so they could do other things than look at them on their free time. But then, they didn't really learn to take care of themselves either, and they "came back". But the only one actually thrown out of the house was Theo.

I think I will reply to you both in one post...

Ireneparalegal: I like to think, that Sondra and Elvin had something in common. If nothing else, they were both intelligent enough to graduate from Princeton. But it seems like you're right. Sondra argued with Elvin all the time, because it must have been considered funny. I don't think it's funny, but then, I actually don't watch this show to laugh. I just think it's interesting to watch.

Platinumblondlife: Pam had probably had to take care of herself more. I don't understand how Cliff and Claire, even between the two of them, managed to both have successful busy career jobs and still raise five children and keep a tidy house, but they did. But Pam came from a poorer background, living with only her mother (Where was her father anyway?) in an apartment, which was small enough to fit into the Huxtable living room. She just wasn't as spoiled as the Huxtable kids were. And she wasn't as dependant on other people as they were. The Huxtable kids were spoiled, maybe Cliff and Claire just gave them a lot of money, and then threw them out of the house, so they could do other things than look at them on their free time. But then, they didn't really learn to take care of themselves either, and they "came back". But the only one actually thrown out of the house was Theo.
For two people who graduated from Princeton, that seemed like the only thing they had in common. Oops. Let me reiterate. They both didn't seem to have any common sense. The marry right out of college. They both want these careers that will take years of education. They decide "let's open a camping store". :rolleyes: They then have TWINS! They live in a shabby one-room apartment that is hazardous. I don't get what these two supposedly intelligient people were thinking? THAT is what they had in common: THEY DIDN'T THINK. :crazy:

Did anyone else find it corny that Sondra and Elvin named their kids Winnie and Nelson? :rolleyes:

Did anyone else find it corny that Sondra and Elvin named their kids Winnie and Nelson? :rolleyes:


Well he did that as a dedication.

For two people who graduated from Princeton, that seemed like the only thing they had in common. Oops. Let me reiterate. They both didn't seem to have any common sense. The marry right out of college. They both want these careers that will take years of education. They decide "let's open a camping store". :rolleyes: They then have TWINS! They live in a shabby one-room apartment that is hazardous. I don't get what these two supposedly intelligient people were thinking? THAT is what they had in common: THEY DIDN'T THINK. :crazy:
Cliff and Claire weren't excactly happy with what they did either. And still, they don't seem to have been rich in the beginning of their marriage either.

Did anyone else find it corny that Sondra and Elvin named their kids Winnie and Nelson? :rolleyes:
They could just as well have named them Winnie Mandela Tidibeux and Nelson Mandela Tidibeux! :lol: Well, I think the Mandelas were heros for black people all over the world at the time. But still!

poor kids...no one would get Mandela references. Especially kids their own age lol.

poor kids...no one would get Mandela references. Especially kids their own age lol.


Well some of these celebs now a days are naming their kids Apple, Coco and Story. So Winnie and Nelson are normal compared to those.

But Winnie and Nelson weren't celebrity kids. :lol:

But Winnie and Nelson weren't celebrity kids. :lol:


Yet they are kids none the less. So what's the difference?

The male bashing - I am surprised that Cosby allowed the show to degenerate to men looking like bumbling idiots while the women have it all together. I can't stand the episodes when the women go off to the kitchen and complain about what the men are not doing. Then there's little Rudy man bashing Kenny. Some of the dogging they did was unnecessary and it put out a bad message about how to treat a man.

Olivia - Let's don't go there with that one. Her adult like dialogue was so force and unnatural it got on my nerves. Rudy was a much better child actor than Olivia and her dialogue was child appropriate.

I don't even like The Cosby Show like I used to. I remember planning my life around Thursdays at 8pm for Mr. Cosby and Mrs. Rashad and their tv children.

One thing about Family Ties I like is the way Steven and Elyse Keaton was written was a deep love they have for each other and respect. No controlling issues. Elyse was well written as well as Steven. The downside of that was Michael J. Fox overpowering presence on the show shoved Meredith Baxter Birney and Michael Gross aside and there could had been some good storylines about their relationship.

I agree with you about what you said about the male bashing and Olivia, but hey, Michael J Fox probably had a overpowering presence because he was the star of the show?

I agree with you about what you said about the male bashing and Olivia, but hey, Michael J Fox probably had a overpowering presence because he was the star of the show?
Family Ties was a vehicle for Meredith Baxter Birney and Michael Gross but midway through the second season and definitely the third the show became more about Alex.

Meredith Baxter Birney grew unhappy with her role on the show getting smaller in the sixth season and voiced it to the powers to be. In the 7th and final season we saw more of Steven and Elyse. I liked them as characters but they way were written made them boring.

Family Ties was a vehicle for Meredith Baxter Birney and Michael Gross but midway through the second season and definitely the third the show became more about Alex.

Meredith Baxter Birney grew unhappy with her role on the show getting smaller in the sixth season and voiced it to the powers to be. In the 7th and final season we saw more of Steven and Elyse. I liked them as characters but they way they written made them look boring.
Kinda like the J.J. Show aka Good Times. ;)

or the way Fonzie ruined Happy Days when his character highjacked it.

Ruined and ruined... Some characters are just gold for their shows, and if that happens, other characters have to step back. For example, I think "Happy days" would have been very boring without Fonzie.

Ruined and ruined... Some characters are just gold for their shows, and if that happens, other characters have to step back. For example, I think "Happy days" would have been very boring without Fonzie.
Schneider, Pat Harrington's character on One Day At A Time, stole the show but still Bonnie Franklin did not take a backseat. She was still the featured character as a divorced woman learning to take care of herself out in the world while raising two teenage daughters. Matter of fact none of Norman Lear's comedies, with the exception of Good Times but that show had so many behind the scenes issues, had any supporting characters taking the lead on the show. The same as in the MTM sitcoms of the 70s. For instance, Valerie Harper is a much funnier actress than Mary Tyler Moore and Rhoda was hilarious but they did not make her the feature character.

The male bashing - I am surprised that Cosby allowed the show to degenerate to men looking like bumbling idiots while the women have it all together. I can't stand the episodes when the women go off to the kitchen and complain about what the men are not doing. Then there's little Rudy man bashing Kenny. Some of the dogging they did was unnecessary and it put out a bad message about how to treat a man.

Olivia - Let's don't go there with that one. Her adult like dialogue was so force and unnatural it got on my nerves. Rudy was a much better child actor than Olivia and her dialogue was child appropriate.

I don't even like The Cosby Show like I used to. I remember planning my life around Thursdays at 8pm for Mr. Cosby and Mrs. Rashad and their tv children.

One thing about Family Ties I like is the way Steven and Elyse Keaton was written was a deep love they have for each other and respect. No controlling issues. Elyse was well written as well as Steven. The downside of that was Michael J. Fox overpowering presence on the show shoved Meredith Baxter Birney and Michael Gross aside and there could had been some good storylines about their relationship.

The man-bashing is rather overdone and obvious, although I suppose one could argue that they were equal opportunity in poking fun at characters- Denise being indecisive about college, Vanessa did some goofy things too. But the one female character that was never made fun of was Claire- they sort of took a hands off approach with that character- i don't recall any episode of the top of my head that made her look silly like they were trying to not piss off black careerwomen or something.

However, Claire was a character, that many people started to dislike, and at least today, people discuss her negative sides. She was way too bossy with Cliff, always being the head of the family. She would seldom discuss things with him. Like when she wanted to give Sondra and Elvin their old soffa, but Cliff wanted to keep it, he didn't have anything to say about it. He did get to keep the soffa for one more episode, but that's all. Or the way she would always want to control what he ate. He was a grown man, she just have let him eat what he wanted! Okay, I know, I guess she did that out of love, because she didn't want him to get sick or even die, but it was still ridiculous. She could also be way too strict with the kids, when they didn't deserve it. But then, Cliff was strict with them too.

However, Claire was a character, that many people started to dislike, and at least today, people discuss her negative sides. She was way too bossy with Cliff, always being the head of the family. She would seldom discuss things with him. Like when she wanted to give Sondra and Elvin their old soffa, but Cliff wanted to keep it, he didn't have anything to say about it. He did get to keep the soffa for one more episode, but that's all. Or the way she would always want to control what he ate. He was a grown man, she just have let him eat what he wanted! Okay, I know, I guess she did that out of love, because she didn't want him to get sick or even die, but it was still ridiculous. She could also be way too strict with the kids, when they didn't deserve it. But then, Cliff was strict with them too.
Clair was a likable character in the first two seasons. She was more fun to watch but in third season the character changed to a point that she got overbearing especially when she got around men. It was a superiority attitude.

As for getting Cliff to eat right. If a person forced their way on me in the manner that Clair did on Cliff on that I would shut down and/or rebel. It's not the concern is the issue it is the way she approached him on it. She dealt with him like a child and no adult, if they love and respect themselves, don't want another adult parenting them. I am like this if a person's parents were not capable of raising the person then no one else can do the job.

Clair was a likable character in the first two seasons. She was more fun to watch but in third season the character changed to a point that she got overbearing especially when she got around men. It was a superiority attitude.

As for getting Cliff to eat right. If a person forced their way on me in the manner that Clair did on Cliff on that I would shut down and/or rebel. It's not the concern is the issue it is the way she approached him on it. She dealt with him like a child and no adult, if they love and respect themselves, don't want another adult parenting them. I am like this if a person's parents were not capable of raising the person then no one else can do the job.
You know, I have spoken with people abt their thoughts, memories of the Cosby Show and ALL OF THEM have stated they didn't care for the bossy, pushy, whatever you want to call it, Clair that was portrayed. I guess you can say it was done in jest, for laughs, to work off of the character of Cliff, but most people I know loved the show overall, they just could have done without that part of Claire that most of us here didn't like.

It was great when the scene called for it, but when she should have spoken up, been in control, she wasn't and vice versa.

I know Cliff was down to earth, patient, caring, etc. That was great. Which is why there was no need to "baby" him or make him feel like a child with the eating habits. Let him know you want him to take better care of himself and offer suggestions. No man wants to be talked in that manner. They already had a mother in life, they don't want one who happens to be his wife.

What we didnt see:

NEWS ITEM, NY CITY

HENPECKED HUSBAND KILLS OVERBEARING WIFE; LAWYER SAYS "WE WILL BE PLEADING TEMPORARY INSANITY"

Snarky NY

Police were called to the home of noted pediatrician Dr Cliff Huxtable and his wife of 37 years Clair Huxtable, a well-respected lawyer in the NY city court system, to find a scene of horrific brutality. "I've never seen anything like it in 32 years on the force." said Det Humphey J Puddlepooper after observing the scene of unspeakable carnage in the well-kept but modest suburban home....... Cont on page 4 "She wouldn't let me have any Pudding Pops, and i lost it" says Dr Death

Hey, Mikado! That was funny! :lol:

:) Glad you took that in the spirit it was written in ;)

You know, I have spoken with people abt their thoughts, memories of the Cosby Show and ALL OF THEM have stated they didn't care for the bossy, pushy, whatever you want to call it, Clair that was portrayed. I guess you can say it was done in jest, for laughs, to work off of the character of Cliff, but most people I know loved the show overall, they just could have done without that part of Claire that most of us here didn't like.

It was great when the scene called for it, but when she should have spoken up, been in control, she wasn't and vice versa.

I know Cliff was down to earth, patient, caring, etc. That was great. Which is why there was no need to "baby" him or make him feel like a child with the eating habits. Let him know you want him to take better care of himself and offer suggestions. No man wants to be talked in that manner. They already had a mother in life, they don't want one who happens to be his wife.
AAAAAAmen!!! I could not agreed with you more. I like you Ireneparalegal. We share the same point of view on many things. We had a great discussion on the Good Times thread on Carl's doctor violating patient's rights to privacy by sharing that info to Bookman. We were hitting the same note.

Back to this discussion. You are so right no adult do not want someone talking and/or treating them like a child if that adult love and respect themselves enough.

As I shared with you my situation on the Good Times thread that was how my former employer treated me and I started rebelling against her. In the long run I hurt myself by playing with my health like that.

In 23 more days I celebrate a year in recovery.

AAAAAAmen!!! I could not agreed with you more. I like you Ireneparalegal. We share the same point of view on many things. We had a great discussion on the Good Times thread on Carl's doctor violating patient's rights to privacy by sharing that info to Bookman. We were hitting the same note.

Back to this discussion. You are so right no adult do not want someone talking and/or treating them like a child if that adult love and respect themselves enough.

As I shared with you my situation on the Good Times thread that was how my former employer treated me and I started rebelling against her. In the long run I hurt myself by playing with my health like that.

In 23 more days I celebrate a year in recovery.
:clap: :dance: Whoo hoo!!!!!!! Congrats!!! Glad to hear this.

I remember that thread and I am so glad for you and for your health. You did good!;)

I could have done without a lot of the celebs that were on the show.

So think about me! I'm Swedish, so I don't even know who most of those people are! :O

I could have done without a lot of the celebs that were on the show.
Amen to that sister!!!! I thought I would be the minority here.

I love B.B. King, don't get me wrong, the man is THE BOSS, but the only good thing abt his appearance on that one episode was when Kenny came into the house and he started singing "the blues". :rofl: That was funny!:lol:

Amen to that sister!!!! I thought I would be the minority here.

I love B.B. King, don't get me wrong, the man is THE BOSS, but the only good thing abt his appearance on that one episode was when Kenny came into the house and he started singing "the blues". :rofl: That was funny!:lol:


Well Stevie, Dizzy and B.B I didn't mind at all. Last night I was watching the one with Lena Horn, that episode just about bored me to tears. It's up there with Judy Cohen :lol:

Well Stevie, Dizzy and B.B I didn't mind at all. Last night I was watching the one with Lena Horn, that episode just about bored me to tears. It's up there with Judy Cohen :lol:
OMG, I was just thinking of that one. I seen it the other night and I was falling asleep. I kept thinking, "And the whole point of this episode is....." :crazy:

Judith Cohen...:brent

Well Stevie, Dizzy and B.B I didn't mind at all. Last night I was watching the one with Lena Horn, that episode just about bored me to tears. It's up there with Judy Cohen :lol:
The only thing I liked about Stevie was when he got Clair to sing with him. Phylicia Rashad can sing. I wish there were some more episodes of her singng instead of her male bashing and parenting Cliff.

:clap: :dance: Whoo hoo!!!!!!! Congrats!!! Glad to hear this.

I remember that thread and I am so glad for you and for your health. You did good!;)

Thank you for your words of encouragement. I am planning on a celebration at a restaurant with friends and they karaoke there as well.

Here is the link to my recent karaoke performance at this restaurant: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ouLBAyUzL6Q

Enjoy it.

The only thing I liked about Stevie was when he got Clair to sing with him. Phylicia Rashad can sing. I wish there were some more episodes of her singng instead of her male bashing and parenting Cliff.

I Love the ending of the one episode where Claire was singing “Wondrous Love” to Cliff to make him go to sleep, that was sweet.

I soooooooooooooooooo over the whole Claire controlling thing, I swear I'm two seconds from pulling my hair out.

Oh yeah, word! Actually, my mother realised what she was like already back in the 80s, when the show was first aired on Swedish television. Mum is a housewife, and though I'm not complaining at her for that, she feels a little bit "inferior" to others, who have a career. And she feels that if Claire hadn't been this oh so successful lawyer, she wouldn't have been that bossy with Cliff. But then, she could have been bossy with her husband, even if she had been a housewife. Hyacinth in "Keeping up appearances", anyone? It depends a lot on if the man lets himself be bossed around or not.

I Love the ending of the one episode where Claire was singing “Wondrous Love” to Cliff to make him go to sleep, that was sweet.

I soooooooooooooooooo over the whole Claire controlling thing, I swear I'm two seconds from pulling my hair out.
That was very good.

The song is What Wonderous Love Is This.

It is a spiritual.

We could have done without Grandpa Huxtable pushing Denise to choose Hillman College.

I would have liked to see more of Claire's parents, especially her mother.

We could have done without Denise being "dumb".

We could have done without Grandpa Huxtable pushing Denise to choose Hillman College.
I wonder why only Sondra and Denise were pressured into going to Hillman? Why didn't anyone to the same thing with Theo or Vanessa?


I would have liked to see more of Claire's parents, especially her mother.

That's true. It was almost like only Cliff's parents existed.

I wondered abt that too. Why didn't we see Grandpa put pressure on Theo? He went to NYU. Thank God we didn't have to see that occur again, but the way the old man went abt pressuring Denise (Sondra went to Princeton) was just wrong. I think Denise trying to choose which college to go to was the beginning of the "dumb Denise". I say that because she wanted to go to University of North Dakota simply because "I am the only person I know who will be going there." DUHHHHHHHHHHHHHH...:smash: :doh:

I would have loved to hear Claire at that point say to her, "Excuse me? You are choosing that college simply for that reason? I am NOT PAYING GOOD MONEY FOR THAT!!!! You better find out what it is you want from college before I send your behind there!!!!!":mad:

:lol:

That episode when Denise thought she can become a special education teacher without going to college annoyed me to no end. Life experience credits!!!! :rolleyes: Although she did finally come to her senses at the end and enrolled in college, through the entire episode I just wanted to slap her. "3x3 is 3 dooo dooo" :rolleyes: Of course you have to go to college to teach especially children with special needs, how could she think otherwise?? :crazy:

That episode when Denise thought she can become a special education teacher without going to college annoyed me to no end. Life experience credits!!!! :rolleyes: Although she did finally come to her senses at the end and enrolled in college, through the entire episode I just wanted to slap her. "3x3 is 3 dooo dooo" :rolleyes: Of course you have to go to college to teach especially children with special needs, how could she think otherwise?? :crazy:

Just another episode that showed Denise was too immature . . . she had almost no working experience, she did not finish college, and she just got married. What was she thinking!!! :lol:

Just another episode that showed Denise was too immature . . . she had almost no working experience, she did not finish college, and she just got married. What was she thinking!!! :lol:
The way Denise was written after she went to college was bad. It was funny but she could had been written better. She was smart at first but an odd teenager who marched to the beat of her own drum.

Just another episode that showed Denise was too immature . . . she had almost no working experience, she did not finish college, and she just got married. What was she thinking!!! :lol:
She wasn't!!!!:lol: The old Denise would know, but this new Denise was just off her rocker. She had two examples right in front of her that showed how education should be taken seriously and how hard work pays off. Her parents! A doctor and a lawyer. Did she think they got to where they are at by simply having "life experience"?

I seriously want to know why Denise was changed so dramatically. It irked me, it was annoying and it BROUGHT US OLIVIA!!!!:eek: :mad:

But when Denise didn't want to go to college, even though she wanted to be a teacher, she had realised the hard way, that she didn't like college (at least not Hillman), and when she didn't even get passing grades for the two years she spent at Hillman, she thought that period in her life was just a waste of time and didn't want to repeat it. Even though she should have understood, that you have to go to college to become a teacher, I can understand how she at that point in her life was tired of college and wanted to try other ways.

She wasn't!!!!:lol: The old Denise would know, but this new Denise was just off her rocker. She had two examples right in front of her that showed how education should be taken seriously and how hard work pays off. Her parents! A doctor and a lawyer. Did she think they got to where they are at by simply having "life experience"?

I seriously want to know why Denise was changed so dramatically. It irked me, it was annoying and it BROUGHT US OLIVIA!!!!:eek: :mad:

When Denise dropped out of college, she started trying to take the short cut around everything. However that whole I don't have to go to college to teach students with special needs was extreme. She actually thought that you can use singing to teach everything. :crazy: There is so much more things like classroom management, learning the different behavior disorders etc. Besides that 3x3 is 3 blunder she also came up with some song about Christopher Columbus and the teacher told her she got the facts wrong. :rolleyes: This episode was the most annoying Denise moment for me, and there were a lot of annoying moments from her in the later seasons.

When Denise dropped out of college, she started trying to take the short cut around everything. However that whole I don't have to go to college to teach students with special needs was extreme. She actually thought that you can use singing to teach everything. :crazy: There is so much more things like classroom management, learning the different behavior disorders etc. Besides that 3x3 is 3 blunder she also came up with some song about Christopher Columbus and the teacher told her she got the facts wrong. :rolleyes: This episode was the most annoying Denise moment for me, and there were a lot of annoying moments from her in the later seasons.
I had long stopped watching the show by this time.......I see i didnt miss anything! :lol: :crazy:

When Denise dropped out of college, she started trying to take the short cut around everything. However that whole I don't have to go to college to teach students with special needs was extreme. She actually thought that you can use singing to teach everything. :crazy: There is so much more things like classroom management, learning the different behavior disorders etc. Besides that 3x3 is 3 blunder she also came up with some song about Christopher Columbus and the teacher told her she got the facts wrong. :rolleyes: This episode was the most annoying Denise moment for me, and there were a lot of annoying moments from her in the later seasons.

that's a good way to put it - taking the easy way out.

When Denise dropped out of college, she started trying to take the short cut around everything. However that whole I don't have to go to college to teach students with special needs was extreme. She actually thought that you can use singing to teach everything. :crazy: There is so much more things like classroom management, learning the different behavior disorders etc. Besides that 3x3 is 3 blunder she also came up with some song about Christopher Columbus and the teacher told her she got the facts wrong. :rolleyes: This episode was the most annoying Denise moment for me, and there were a lot of annoying moments from her in the later seasons.
Well Denise was being told in many ways as well as that "easy way out" term by that teacher friend of hers, her mother and anyone else who dealt with her. By that point, Denise was afraid of failing. She failed at Hillman and no doubt all that pushing by her grandfather didn't help matters any. She should have tried junior college so she could get a feel of what college was like not to mention, give her time to decide what route she wanted in life as far as what career she was interested in.

I have a feeling that Cosby "dumb-downed" the character so he can teach the viewing teen audience what can happen if you don't get an education.

Her character just rubbed me the wrong way.

Well Denise was being told in many ways as well as that "easy way out" term by that teacher friend of hers, her mother and anyone else who dealt with her. By that point, Denise was afraid of failing. She failed at Hillman and no doubt all that pushing by her grandfather didn't help matters any. She should have tried junior college so she could get a feel of what college was like not to mention, give her time to decide what route she wanted in life as far as what career she was interested in.

I have a feeling that Cosby "dumb-downed" the character so he can teach the viewing teen audience what can happen if you don't get an education.

Her character just rubbed me the wrong way.

I don't think Denise being "pushed" into Hillman had anything to do with it. I think that Denise was just pure lazy and wanted the easy way out, she half assed her way when she was in college and she was still failing. Denise just wanted things handed to her without doing the hard work. Just laziness

But I seem to remember, that when Cliff and Russell were pushing her into going to Hillman, she said she didn't want to go there because "you only go there, if you don't get into any better school". That's probably not the excact wording, but it's close enough.

I don't think Denise being "pushed" into Hillman had anything to do with it. I think that Denise was just pure lazy and wanted the easy way out, she half assed her way when she was in college and she was still failing. Denise just wanted things handed to her without doing the hard work. Just laziness


I agree, it was pure laziness. I can understand if she was just going after a job that did not require a college degree but she should have known that teaching students with special needs would require a college degree and hard work. She just wanted the shortcut without doing any of the work and Claire tried to tell her that but she simply did not listen.

I agree, it was pure laziness. I can understand if she was just going after a job that did not require a college degree but she should have known that teaching students with special needs would require a college degree and hard work. She just wanted the shortcut without doing any of the work and Claire tried to tell her that but she simply did not listen.

Finally, someone who agrees with me! :woohoo:

I'll be honest-I liked Charmaine more than I did Pam! Especially when
Lance was around. When she would say,"Oh Lance, you're so sensitive!"
it would crack me up.

I don't think Denise being "pushed" into Hillman had anything to do with it. I think that Denise was just pure lazy and wanted the easy way out, she half assed her way when she was in college and she was still failing. Denise just wanted things handed to her without doing the hard work. Just laziness
I think it did for the simple fact she wasn't "smart enough" or aware of how college works. Her mother had to tell her the reason her professors don't "go after her to do her homework" is because the college professors are treating the students as adults. Denise remarked how in high school her teachers would be reminding her and the other students of assignments, when they were due, etc. For that simple reason, Denise should have gone to JC (junior college) so she could get the feel of what she could expect in college. Many kids don't realize how different college is until they get there. Denise was lazy in college but at least if she had a taste of JC, she would know what she really wanted to do (go to college or not, go to Hillman or some other school).

Again, the simple fact that she wanted to attend University of North Dakota because "I am the only person I know who will be going there..." is assinine. You don't go to a specific university because you want to impress people, you don't go to a specific university because it is in Hawaii, those are stupid reasons for Denise to have even chosen those schools. Anyone here who has gone to college knows there are more mature reasons for choosing a college.

Great thread!
Things I could have done without are:

1) Pam..sorry I thought the whole "Cousin from the ghetto" thing was too elitist! In the beginning I liked how while the family was "comfortable" it wasn't shoved in anyone's face. In the last 2 seasons, Bill and his writers were just running out of ideas and he was probably feeling pressure that his tv family wasn't "keeping it real" so lets bring in some folks from the other side of the tracks. As a black woman, I was so angry when certain folks in the black community complained that the Huxtables were too white! I was like...huh? So are you saying there are no black professionals in real life?????? How bogus is THAT..and I grew up in the projects..our family was on welfare...no father in the home. It was the stereotypical existance, but we were taught that if you get an education you CAN make something of yourself..you can do whatever you want. My brother siste and I knew that there were black lawyers , doctors..business people...that the entire world isn't on East 122nd street and first avenue in Harlem! Ok...enough!

2)Olivia and the whole Kendall family

3) Vanessa fighting with Rudy