This episode raises a lot of questions. Like why Cliff and Claire make such a big deal out of Theo living with Justine, and why they even throw him out in the rain. But I also think it's just too weird, that Justine's parents take Theo into their house, and not their own daughter. Couldn't Theo have gotten the apartment instead? That would have made more sense.

This episode raises a lot of questions. Like why Cliff and Claire make such a big deal out of Theo living with Justine, and why they even throw him out in the rain. But I also think it's just too weird, that Justine's parents take Theo into their house, and not their own daughter. Couldn't Theo have gotten the apartment instead? That would have made more sense.

The reason Cliff and Claire made a big deal about it was because, they were paying Theo's rent for an apartment that he was supposed to be sharing with some friends. And instead of paying his rent with the money that Cliff and Claire were giving him, he was pocketing the money and he opened up a bank account. Also he rented out his room to some other guy and he was charging that guy rent as well, so he was getting double rent money. Yet he was still during his laundry and eating at his parents house and making them think that he was living in his own apartment when he wasn't, he was living with Justine. So that's why Cliff and Claire was upset. And I don't blame them at all.

The reason Cliff and Claire made a big deal about it was because, they were paying Theo's rent for an apartment that he was supposed to be sharing with some friends. And instead of paying his rent with the money that Cliff and Claire were giving him, he was pocketing the money and he opened up a bank account. Also he rented out his room to some other guy and he was charging that guy rent as well, so he was getting double rent money. Yet he was still during his laundry and eating at his parents house and making them think that he was living in his own apartment when he wasn't, he was living with Justine. So that's why Cliff and Claire was upset. And I don't blame them at all.


sneaky a$$ theo-lol That was clever though

He wasn't getting double rent money. He still had to pay half the rent for Justine's apartment. He just got a little more money left, and he opened a bank account, when most people would have just spent that money. And he was nineteen years old. He had the right to live with whoever he wanted. Maybe he couldn't expect his parents to pay his rent either then, but they still blew it out of proportion. And furthermore, am I the only one, who found it very weird, that Justine's parents took Theo into their house, and not their own daughter?

He wasn't getting double rent money. He still had to pay half the rent for Justine's apartment. He just got a little more money left, and he opened a bank account, when most people would have just spent that money. And he was nineteen years old. He had the right to live with whoever he wanted. Maybe he couldn't expect his parents to pay his rent either then, but they still blew it out of proportion. And furthermore, am I the only one, who found it very weird, that Justine's parents took Theo into their house, and not their own daughter?


I believe Justines parents were paying her rent, so Theo wasn't paying any rent anywhere. And if I'm paying my 19 yrold's rent they have to live where I tell them to live. All Theo had to do was go to school and make good grades. So NO Theo shouldn't have pocketed the money, it wasn't his to pocket.

sneaky a$$ theo-lol That was clever though
:rofl: Wasn't it sneaky? Damn Theo.

What i couldnt figure out was why didnt Theo just say that Justine spent some nights over his apartment instead of trying to justify his scheme.

As old fashioned as they were (asking their daughter's husband if she was a virgin on her wedding night!?) they were probably upset that they were living together and *gasp* werent married...

That was sure part of it. But it's really weird of them to see their children have these girlfriends and boyfriends, but still expect them to wait until they're married.

That was sure part of it. But it's really weird of them to see their children have these girlfriends and boyfriends, but still expect them to wait until they're married.

They never said anything about their kids waiting on the show. I think that they hoped that their children would wait just like every other parent hopes that their child will wait until marriage.

But I doubt that they thought that Theo was still a virgin, there was an episode where Cliff dreamt that men could get pregnant and Theo was pregnant in the dream. They even made a remark about Theo being the single pregnant man.

It was never really made clear, that Theo and Justine had sex while sharing their apartment. They could have done like a couple did on "Seventh Heaven", even though they were engaged (?), share an apartment, and still not have sex. But one can wonder...

I think they were angry at him not being married and living together, at least that's what I always thought was implied. Obviously they care a lot about that if they go around asking their children's spouses if they were virgins on their wedding night...:rolleyes:

I HIGHLY doubt that Theo's having sex has anything to do with this episode. I think that the fact that Theo was lying the whole time about his living arrangements and the fact that he was taking his parents money under false pretences, those were the reasons why Claire and Cliff were upset. Who wouldn't be upset?

But still, Theo was nineteen years old. If he was old enough to be thrown out of the house, he was also old enough to chose who he wanted to live with. And if his parents gave him money, he actually also had the right to do what he wanted with it, and that he opened a back account instead of spending the extra money showed great maturity from him. And why did Claire say "we didn't send you to college to live with your girlfriend", if the pre-marital cohabitation wasn't an issue to her?

But still, Theo was nineteen years old. If he was old enough to be thrown out of the house, he was also old enough to chose who he wanted to live with. And if his parents gave him money, he actually also had the right to do what he wanted with it, and that he opened a back account instead of spending the extra money showed great maturity from him. And why did Claire say "we didn't send you to college to live with your girlfriend", if the pre-marital cohabitation wasn't an issue to her?

They didn't give him money to do whatever he wanted to do with it. The money that they were giving him was specifically for his rent, it wasn't intended for him to do whatever he pleased. He was lucky that his parents would even pay his rent. If Theo wanted to open up a saving/checking account and if he wanted to have extra money in his pocket then he could have gotten a JOB and worked like other college students. He had it made with his parents paying his bills, he didn’t have to worry about thing but school. Then he blatantly lied to his parents month after month. Also Theo got himself thrown out of his parents house, he didn’t have the right to live there anyway, he had an apartment but with his greediness he screwed himself over.

Yeah but didnt Theo mention one of his friends moving in with his girlfriend and Claire said "Im not saying these people's lives will be ruined forever but we do have their own point of view on the subject" or something like that? To me, that would only make sense if they are talking about kids living together unmarried, not kids lying about money given to them. Why would they have a "point of view" on what his friend did with his parents money?

Yeah but didnt Theo mention one of his friends moving in with his girlfriend and Claire said "Im not saying these people's lives will be ruined forever but we do have their own point of view on the subject" or something like that? To me, that would only make sense if they are talking about kids living together unmarried, not kids lying about money given to them. Why would they have a "point of view" on what his friend did with his parents money?


I don't recall that part at all, I know Theo said that Justine's parents didn't know that they were living together. And I also remember that Theo said that he rented out his room to some other guy.

Clair: When are you gonna get it, Theo? This is not about living with Justine. This is about doing something behind our backs and then lying to us about what it is you're doing!

Theo: I'm sorry.

Cliff: The other day, you said your mother and I were controlling you with our money and that you and Justine were gonna go live your own lives. Now, did you ever stop to think what would happen if we said you couldn't come back here?

Theo: No.

Well I think I remember him saying that his friends moved in with their girlfriends and Claire saying something about "their lives may not be ruined, but we do have our own point of view on the subject." Basically implying that it was wrong. I dont think it would be hard to believe them not being married was a major reason they didnt like it. Considering Cliff asking Martin was Denise a virgin when she was married and asking Vanessa's boyfriend if they had sex while they were out (seriously, does he really want to know?) its not surprising they would think like that.

Well I think I remember him saying that his friends moved in with their girlfriends and Claire saying something about "their lives may not be ruined, but we do have our own point of view on the subject." Basically implying that it was wrong. I dont think it would be hard to believe them not being married was a major reason they didnt like it. Considering Cliff asking Martin was Denise a virgin when she was married and asking Vanessa's boyfriend if they had sex while they were out (seriously, does he really want to know?) its not surprising they would think like that.
This coming from a man who couldn't figure out on the parents 50th wedding anniversary that the reason they didn't answer Cliff's phone call was because "they were busy"...:puke: What was Cosby's obsession with the sexual inuendoes on this show? A family show of all things. :crazy:

This coming from a man who couldn't figure out on the parents 50th wedding anniversary that the reason they didn't answer Cliff's phone call was because "they were busy"...:puke: What was Cosby's obsession with the sexual inuendoes on this show? A family show of all things. :crazy:


I don't see what's so shocking about that. On Who's the Boss they had Mona talking about sex or mentioning sex in just about every episode :lol:

Today I watched an episode where Mona had her sweater on backwards after she come home from a date :lol: And her grandson was the one who pointed it out.

As old fashioned as they were (asking their daughter's husband if she was a virgin on her wedding night!?) they were probably upset that they were living together and *gasp* werent married...

Yea, this always kind of pissed me off as well. There was no way Theo was living with Justine and not having sex. Besides, wasn't it always clear that Theo was seeing lots of different women at once? Especially when he got to NYU?

CBW

What i couldnt figure out was why didnt Theo just say that Justine spent some nights over his apartment instead of trying to justify his scheme.

Right. Surely they didn't think theo was still a virgin.

I also want to discuss the fact, that Justine's parents took Theo, and not their own daughter, into their house. Am I the only one, who thinks that's weird? :confused:

I also want to discuss the fact, that Justine's parents took Theo, and not their own daughter, into their house. Am I the only one, who thinks that's weird? :confused:

Justine still had her apartment, Theo had no apartment because he rented his room out. So he went to Justines parents house. And like Justine's father said, he knew where Theo was when he was at their house.

Right. Surely they didn't think theo was still a virgin.

It has nothing to do with sex, Claire and Cliff weren't stupid, they knew damn well that Theo wasn't a virgin. So that theory makes no sense to me

Justine still had her apartment, Theo had no apartment because he rented his room out. So he went to Justines parents house. And like Justine's father said, he knew where Theo was when he was at their house.
It would still have made more sense to let Theo have the apartment and Justine move back to her parents.

It has nothing to do with sex, Claire and Cliff weren't stupid, they knew damn well that Theo wasn't a virgin. So that theory makes no sense to me
But it has to part of it. Claire said something like "We're not paying you to live with your girlfriend." So even if they already had suspected, that Theo was sexually active, and why wouldn't he be, premarital cohabitation just made that more obvious, and they didn't want that.

It would still have made more sense to let Theo have the apartment and Justine move back to her parents.


But it has to part of it. Claire said something like "We're not paying you to live with your girlfriend." So even if they already had suspected, that Theo was sexually active, and why wouldn't he be, premarital cohabitation just made that more obvious, and they didn't want that.

First off, it was Justine’s apartment, so why in the world would she move out of her own apartment, where Justine’s parents where paying her rent??? There's no logic in that at all.

Second, Claire and Cliff were giving Theo money to pay his rent at his own apartment, and Theo was pocketing that money. So Claire was right when she said that they weren't giving Theo money to stay with his GF. Theo was suppose to pay his rent at his house. If he wanted to start a bank account he should have gotten a job like other College students.

If I'm giving my daughter money to pay her bills and she's doing everything else but paying bills with MY money. I would be truly pissed off

But it was also Justine's parents, parents which she had had much longer than what she had had the apartment. Why would they rather have their daughter's boyfriend in their house than their own daughter? How does that make sense?

And at least Theo didn't spend the money, but put them in a bank instead. The money was still there. Cliff and Claire could have demended it back, or say that he wouldn't get any more money until he had spent the money in the bank account. And Theo wasn't a strong student. He has dyslexia and needed a lot of help and a lot of time. He would never have been able to study and work at the same time. I can't understand how anyone can do that.

But it was also Justine's parents, parents which she had had much longer than what she had had the apartment. Why would they rather have their daughter's boyfriend in their house than their own daughter? How does that make sense?

And at least Theo didn't spend the money, but put them in a bank instead. The money was still there. Cliff and Claire could have demended it back, or say that he wouldn't get any more money until he had spent the money in the bank account. And Theo wasn't a strong student. He has dyslexia and needed a lot of help and a lot of time. He would never have been able to study and work at the same time. I can't understand how anyone can do that.

PLEASE, Just because you have dyslexia doesn't mean that you can't work a part time job and go to school, It's done everyday. So Theo could have gotten a part time job and went to school at the same time. He did it in the later episodes, so what's the difference?

And what parent in their right mind, would tell their daughter to move out of her apartment so that her BF can live there?????? That even sounds stupid. And Theo wasn't going to live with Justine's parents, odds are he was just going to spend the night, and I highly doubt that Cliff and Claire let him stay the whole night at Justine's parents.

I don't what to call where Theo went in the last seasons in English. But it was a place, where kids went after school or something. Was he paid for going there? If he couldn't get there one day, would he lose money? Did he have a lot of pressure on him, when he went to this place? How many hours a day did he spend there? That's a lot of questions, I know, but I just wonder if I would call it a job. And anyhow, I don't get how full time students can cope with part time jobs as well. Or full time workers, who study part time, for that matter. And Theo even needed special help because of his dyslexia, even if he maybe learned to cope with his problems more and more by himself. But there was an episode, when Theo almost had to give up on that girl from Barbados (wasn't her name Sheryl?) because he had to study for an exam? Well, it seemed like the poor thing did nothing but study in that episode, but maybe he also worked? In that case, he did at least two things at the same time. But even though Theo matured, I have a hard time picturing him as both an A student in school and the employee of the month at a job at the same time.

Going to back to Theo living with Justine's parents, I hope that it was just one night. But it's still weird, and I wonder what the writers were thinking. Why didn't Theo go to one of his friends, or just spend one last night with Justine in her apartment? If I was Theo, I think I would rather have slept outside than go to Justine's parents, especially at that point.

Yeah but didnt Theo mention one of his friends moving in with his girlfriend and Claire said "Im not saying these people's lives will be ruined forever but we do have their own point of view on the subject" or something like that? To me, that would only make sense if they are talking about kids living together unmarried, not kids lying about money given to them. Why would they have a "point of view" on what his friend did with his parents money?

The exact lines were:

Theo told Cliff and Clair that a lot of people were moving in together and Clair said "What's that Got to do with us? I'm not saying that these people are making a wrong turn in life anod not going to amount to anything but we do have our own view of the subject if that's all right with you."

Also they told Theo that Justine's parents were not going to be thrilled eith this development and if Theo continues to do this, they will cut off his living expenses.

Clair: When are you gonna get it, Theo? This is not about living with Justine. This is about doing something behind our backs and then lying to us about what it is you're doing!

Theo: I'm sorry.

Cliff: The other day, you said your mother and I were controlling you with our money and that you and Justine were gonna go live your own lives. Now, did you ever stop to think what would happen if we said you couldn't come back here?

Theo: No.

Unfortunately, however, some people, like Furienna, simply just cannot see the forest for the trees, and only pay attention to the details that support their argument.

Unfortunately, however, some people, like Furienna, simply just cannot see the forest for the trees, and only pay attention to the details that support their argument.
Excuse me? What forest am I supposed to see here? Do you mean that I should "realize" that Cliff and Claire were right about this? Because I'm sorry, but you will never see that happen. They will come across as terrible parents too often for my taste.

And as for the whole situation in this epiode, it is alien to my Swedish view on life. Even back in 1989, nobody here in Sweden would bat an eyelid over two nineteen-year-olds co-habiting. Or to be more precise, nobody would be able to stop them. Neither would a nineteen-year-old College student be financially dependent on his parents. He would be able to apply for a loan from the government for his living expenses. So I get that Cliff and Claire act from an American point of view here, where it would be more acceptable and easier to control your adult son. But I just can't relate to it.