Mr. Space, Either you are very smart or very stupid. Which is it? Justify yourself, become informed, then speak. More than one person finds you controversial. Perhaps you enjoy it. If you have nothing to say than to be rude I suggest you take a quieter approach and say nothing. If you have a second agenda go for it. You are loosing your self respect; actually you have none, otherwise you would be productive. Or??? I guess You are finally silenced. This was no dream.

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Originally Posted by justins5256
I doubt you'll find much. Most of them were censored/removed.

Ok I'll take the bait re Mary Morris. I'll tell you something more and then I'm not posting to this thread further. From the last thread I started in the fall of 2005 I started conversing with someone else in private that had been posting to the Mary Morris threads on this forum. We Emailed, phoned, and Instant Messaged. She was working all over the world and invited me to join her. When she was in Newfoundland, Canada I flew up at her invitation. I was supposed to stay for a week. She had wanted me to have rough sex (my words) with her and leave her with bruises to certain parts of her body and scratched up, bleeding nipples. She picked me up at 4 AM at the airport and was already quite drunk.

Although I am against drinking and driving, that is not the purpose of this post. We spent a few hours together and then she passed out. When I woke up she asked me to leave saying I had too many issues with my wife, whom I was separating from. I won't go into details of the weekend but I am glad that I didn't do what she had wanted me to (leave the bruises etc.)

When I got home I spent several days of intense research. She had lied to me about many things - who she worked for and who her boss was. It turned out that this woman's supervisor was Laurie Gemmell, the last person to see Mary Morris alive and the blonde who appeared live on the UM show. They both worked for IBM as IT computer trainers. They had both been staying in the same apartment until a few days before I arrived. Then this woman moved downstairs and Laurie Gemmell left for the weekend just before I showed up.

Of course I was highly suspicious of all this and she would not give me any explanations when I confronted her with my findings. Remember the death threat that was left on my desk, and I don't think the show even mentioned it, but there were supposed to have been a bunch of writing left in computers about my coworkers to make it look like I wrote it. So I figured this was just one more setup. The police from Florida told me that the woman had told them I had "just showed up out of the blue" (in Newfounland). I figured that because Mary Morris had been beaten up they were trying to conspire to make it appear that I was that type of person and could show the police bruises etc.

I was asked not to say anything at the time but afer a year and a half later I don't think it makes much difference to the case. I would not set myself up for libel either and I have something like 200 pages of instant messaging to prove everything I have said. I am not giving these out, although 48 Hours Mysteries has a copy.

I may be wrong about Gemmell's motives here. I do know that she either lied about me on the show and others or was greatly misinformed. I put it down to Gemmell, alone or Mike Morris and Gemmell in a conspiracy. They both had access to the clinic via Mary and her keys and both would have known about the family gun. If Mary had been afraid of me, which she was not, do you think she would call me and tell me she has a gun in her car? There's more to it but apparently I annoy some of you so I better not offend anyone.

It's been almost seven years since this happened and still no charges filed. Say what you will but I won't respond back.

For those that have no clue what I am talking about read the other threads.


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Sure man, sure....then your alarm clock woke you up

Well, hello, Mr. Coworker!

Interesting. Very interesting, indeed.

Here is IBM's directory. Type in Gemmell and you will come up with Lauren and Laurie. Email her for the details. The last time I tried she called a lawyer who contacted me. She is not covered under any restraining order as she quit Union Carbide more than a month before Mary was murdered. She has put people through hell and back with no explanation other than "You make me sick" on this forum. Time for answers??? What she will do is not respond and then look again in a few days and she will have vanished from the directoree. She should have been fired. Here is the URL. If she is innocent so be it. The last person(s) standing will have to answer sometime.

http://www.ibm.com/contact/employees/us/

Get the name right hey.
My comment was actually only for the first paragraph where you mention you had wild sex...with aliens or something?? Man I don't come here to read about sorta thing thanks.

Speak for yourself, Space Invaderz! :)

Seriously, though. I'm with you on that comment. I didn't understnad WHO Koala is talking about... frankly, I still don't. It doesn't make any sense to me. Who's the kinky lady he was gonna knock boots with? Was it Mary Morris? Was it another co-worker?

*sigh* It's another unsolved mystery.... ;)

Speak for yourself, Space Invaderz! :)

Whoa now, you're gonna get Dislimb all sexcited :p

Uh...am I missing something here? Please enlighten the "slow" UM poster here.

Yikes! Enlighten me as well. I'm very confused!

:confused: :confused:

Speak for yourself, Space Invaderz! :)

Seriously, though. I'm with you on that comment. I didn't understnad WHO Koala is talking about... frankly, I still don't. It doesn't make any sense to me. Who's the kinky lady he was gonna knock boots with? Was it Mary Morris? Was it another co-worker?

*sigh* It's another unsolved mystery.... ;)

The person's alias on this UM forum was "freakmagnet". She was an active respondent on both the thread that was pulled and the locked thread that was posted in late fall of 2005.

The point I am trying to make is not about sex per se. It is about the requests to leave her with bruises etc. Not telling me the truth about who she worked for, not telling me about her connection with Laurie Gemmell, the blonde woman on the UM Mary Morris Murders segment who seems to always in my face, not wanting to tell me specifics of Gemmell's knowledge of our meeting or properly explaining anything when I found out. Freakmagnet did not have any involvement in a murder. She worked under Gemmell (indirectly). I wondered why all the deceipt once I found out that Gemmell and her worked and lived together when working.
Gemmell had worked for Union Carbide as an IT tech for the computer systems. Mary and I worked at Union Carbide (the Information technology side =IT)
Mary and Laurie Gemmell became close friends. They spent a lot of time together. She was at the home of Mike and Mary Morris often enough, my impression based on conversation with Mary, and that she was there for a birthday party at the same time I was. It was obvious that Gemmell and Mike Morris knew each other well. Things in the Morris household have been described as tense. I witnessed a bit of this myself.

Someone (allegedly) attempted to set me up for murder by leaving a death threat at my computer and putting notes in the computer or computers (I'm not sure about that - but in the last week of work Mary's computer had been used by someone else - the computer had been raised and the hard drive was removed by IT security people. Mary never told me her concern or the specifics and I never asked because it was the last time I saw her.

She apparently was very concerned because after the fact (she was dead) my coworker who worked at the other site nearby that Mary was shot had told me that Mary had told her (or them) that someone was trying to kill her.

She also told me about these notes that I was supposed to have written and left on a computer. I don't know if it was mine or Mary's but anyway all the drives were linked together from both sites. Incidentally, my RN coworker, Lana, was a bit late in telling me about these notes and when asked for details said she couldn't read it well because it was shredded. That is another puzzle but getting back to Gemmell-

Gemmell was not truthful to the media and I noticed from the beginning that there were inconsitencies in her stories and timelines. This may not have been her as the media people that interviewed her and then reported on some of the things may simply have been inaccurate. She did lie on UM, to the press and other reporters about me banging on windows and generally acting like a lunatic. She reported to the press that I had called the Houston Chronicle to say that I had called between the 2 Mary Morris Murders to tell them that the wrong Mary Morris had been killed.

When I found out about the connection between Gemmell and freakmagnet, of course I was suspicious. Not many people would go to all the trouble she did just to get laid. There are 2 options - she was involved with Gemmell (call it sucking up to the boss) to set me up once again so as to make the Mary Morris murder more credible that I did it and after we spent some time together she realized that I was a decent guy and didn't want to continue with anymore conspiracy ideas or the second one is she is just really selfish, just wanted to have sex and asked me to leave because Gemmell would be returning and see us together. If that is the case she went through a whole lot of trouble to get there and helped wreck my marriage. Incidentally, I was puzzled when she asked me to leave because her reason stated was you have "issues with your wife" and I asked her if I was bad in bed or something she replied "You're kidding, right?"

We did converse for awhile afterward and she wanted to meet with me again in another part of the world. When Freakmagnet would not cooperate with my questions about Gemmell I made her homelife a bit of hell by notifying her husband about all this and providing a few excerpts from our instant messageing. Apparently, freakmagnet was also deceitful to her husband.

I called Gemmell to ask her about all this and she hung up immediately and would not answer my email about what was going on with all this.

So I let things go for a year and a half decided that people like Gemmell need to be accountable for their actions and lies. I know full well that the right people will be asking her some more questions and she may just continue on her slippery slope of deceit. I don't feel too bad about saying what I say here as it is the truth. She had plenty of time to find out facts about me if she had wanted to but chose to go on with interview after interview with BS.

Gemmell refused an explanation of her involvement with freakmagnet when she could just as easily have said I knew nothing about it.

My coworkers said that Mary treated Laurie "like a dog". I didn't notice anything like that myself but I was only around them once or twice. She was the last person with Mary and her timelines didn't add up on the media accounts. Maybe that is not her fault. Maybe she has nothing to do with murder. All I know is she appears to have gone through a lot of effort to implicate me at every opportunity and media event - far more than just been misinformed by things Mary had apparently told her. If Mary had suspected me of anything she would have called my contracting company. She apparently knew that someone was out to do her in according to my coworkers.

I gotta watch this seggie again. But from what my small mind is able to gather, is that possibly Mary's boss (the blonde chick from the segment) and Mary's husband may have been in cahoots to kill Mary?????



Fascinating.....

Laurie Gemmell was not Mary Morris' boss. Mary Morris was the Occupational health nursing supervisor for Union Carbide's Information technologies division. Mary was my supervisor and the supervisor of others. Laurie Gemmel worked in IT as an IT (computer steups, servers, you name it) at the site where Mary mostly worked. Laurie Gemmell is the blonde woman who appeared as herself on the Mary Morris Murders UM episode. Mary and Gemmell became close friends and spent much time together. Gemmell quit union carbide about a month or so before Mary was shot in the head to work somewhere else. She had met Mary at the clinic (even though she no longer worked there) for what the media reported as a flu shot. Actually, it was an anti allergy injection. This was 2 or 3 hours before Mary was shot. They were supposed to meet again later. Media reports were conflicting saying that Gemmell had called police to say that Mary had not shown up. Other reports suggest Mike Morris called in to say his wife was missing. If you study the phone bill neither one seems credible as there should be more calls by both on the bill. If Mary's phone didn't get picked up it went automatiacally to voice mail. Look for yourselves. there should be more calls made and indicated on a bill even if it went to voice mail. Anyone concerned enough to report persons missing would make more attempts to call. It appears a poorly planned slip up in a murder conspiracy. I called Mary plenty and it always went to voice mail if she was on the phone or unavailable. It never rang for 4 minutes. If it did I don't think it would register as an incoming call but I don't know that for certain.

Laurie Gemmell supervised freakmagnet at times with IBM, although I found out at the time of all this research in January and February of 2006 that freakmagnet officially reported to another person also. In effect, Laurie Gemmell was freakmagnet's senior or supervisor.

And yes, I am saying that Laurie Gemmell (alone) or Mike Morris and Laurie Gemmell together in a conspiracy may have beem responsible for Mary Morris' death. Either that, or neither of them are guilty of anything and were just helping the police by following a script on all of the TV shows and media events. I don't believe the latter very much based on all events that I know of.

I only know what I know and I believe it to be the tip of the iceberg. I am on a need to know basis only and most of what I have observed or found out has been through research and talking to people. I couldn't do much because a restraining order was brought forth very early on after Mary's death. that I could not speak with anyone working for Union Carbide or later Dow Chemical company for life. Although the reasons sited for the restraing order were that I had killed and would kill again I beleived the real reason was that the police did not want me interfering with their investigations and jeopardizing things for them so I signed.

If anyone is confused about details just do a search on this UM forum with the words Mary Morris Or Google it. There is more under Mary Mcginnis Morris, Mary Morris Murders (there were 2 at around the same time (3 days apart) that lead to a hit man getting the wrong Mary Morris theories, 2 Mary Murders etc.

Koala, just to clarify things, what was your relationship to the Mary Morris case? The first post confused me because you seemed to be quoting Mr. Space (perhaps SpaceInvaderz or Space Cadet, a member?) and/or Justins5256 perhaps? Just briefly clear this up for me. Thanks!

I am the coworker sited on the Unsolved mysteries show featuring the 2 Mary Morris murders. And no - there were not problems from the start. I was described as her Golden Boy from what my coworkers told me. and Yes, I did have complaints about her behavior toward my coworkers and myself which I spoke to the Human Resources manager about, 2 or 3 weeks before she was killed. Mary had some personality issues but overall she was a very fine person who went out of her way to care for others needs.

My other coworker RN had told me that she went home crying often following discussions with Mary and not getting recognition. For example, I was given permission by Mary to dispense OTC meds to employees very early. The other RN, Lana, never was even though she started a year before me. I worked at one site 2 days a week with Mary. The other 2 employees worked with Mary 3 days a week at the North Houston site. Lana started to take every Wednesday off with the excuse that she had to do banking in Mcallen, TX which is a 5 hour drive away. She admitted to me that the real reason was she wanted to limit the time she had to be around Mary. I had some issues about passing the buck in our work relations and reported the evidence to the HR manager and told him about my coworkers' reports. Eveything else negative about me on that UM show or any other is a lie. When America's Most Wanted did a show on the Mary Morris Murder(s) I called their attorney and threatened legal action if it wasn't removed from their website. It came down immediately. I have never seen the show and if anyone has a copy I would like to see it. Friends reported it as portraying me a nut case running around and yelling and banging on windows looking for Mary.

So you are the co-worker that was supposedly one of the suspects and supposedly ransacked her office?

So you are the co-worker that was supposedly one of the suspects and supposedly ransacked her office?

Ransacked her office??? What show did you watch? I know nothing of a ransacked office by anyone.

The only thing I could offer is that I was told by my RN coworker that some of the office file drawers for patient documentation were opened (I'm not sure if she said they were open or not) and that it looked as if Mary was trying to address the problems that she had not been documenting many of her patient contacts. I also showed the HR manager this feature on my last day of work as it had caused some problems. One of the reasons Mary and I went for a tour on my last week at work was to immunize the children of a family that was going to the Phillipines to work for Union Carbide. The husband was going to work, not the kids. I was supposed to be doing it myself but told Mary that I wouldn't because she could not come up with the documentation for the previous immunizations and I considered it unsafe in case the child in question recived too much of whatever we were immunizing for. I think it was hepA/hepB but it was a long time ago. As non documentation was turning into a liabilty I reported it. It's what responsible nurses are supposed to do. Anyway, the coworker told me that it looked like Mary had been trying to (frantically) work on documentation that was outstanding because, according to the other RN, the files were going to be audited the next day.

This was at the other Little York site to the north. It was not described as ransacked to me and I did not get that impression from her- Just a bunch of files kind of pulled out and not put back in properly was the image I had in my mind. I don't know if the other RN - Lana is her name, saw this for herself or was told this by the Dr. who took over when Mary died. I would think it would have been the Dr. telling her this because I don't think Lana would have been able to be on scene. I beleive all work areas were cordoned off by police and only certain people would have been allowed in for investigation reasons. The murder scene was not the clinic but according to Lana the clinic was closed for police business for some time. That is my recollection of our conversations, anyway.

On UM, I believe it was said. Apparently she went in her office one evening and all her picture frames were overturned......something like that. Perhaps ransacked is too strong of a word, but it's been a while since I've seen the case. I'm just confused as to your identity and trying to clarify that.

According to my co workers and the show the pictures were turned to face the wrong way or something like that. If it was one picture a cleaning person could have done it. If it was more than one and I seem to recall that it was, then it may have had implications for Mary. Whatever was on that hard drive of hers must have bothered her and the fact that she thought someone was trying to kill her would scare anyone. A turned over picture or pictures turned to face the opposite way could be considered some kind of threat. There was no written death threat on my calendar that sat in front of my computer when I left that office. I had changed the sheet for a fresh one that day before I left on Oct. 6th. 2 HR people were in the clinic with me on the day I left and helped me carry my books and things to my car. They were in there for more than 10 minutes. I would think they would have noticed any death threat then. The person who wrote the death threat screwed up again, not knowing that was my last day of work and that HR people had been in the clinic.

What it gets back to is access to the clinic. Only a few people had access. I had turned in my access card as I was going to take a month off. Mary's access card was apparently missing or Mary couldn't find it. According to Lana, Mary borrowed Lana's access card sometime in the last week or 2 before her death. I would have to go through all my notes and saved stuff to ascertain the dates etc. This all seemed quite suspicious to me as I began to find out more about the case.

For clarification, Mary seemed quite concerned about the use of the computer our last day together she just didn't share with me if she had found anything on her computer then. I assumed that she just wanted to find out who had used her computer if anyone. I had been in the night before because I was dealing with an attorney in the same building so I wanted to have a look for our file keys that went missing. I told Mary that I had been in the evening (around 5 pm) before and had noticed her computer desk top was raised up. The missing keys to the files turned up in Mary's lab coat. I think she emailed me about it the next day, which I guess was the last day we had any correspondence.

The last thing Mary wrote to me indicated that she wanted me to call her before I left. I didn't because I had received a phone call from Lana indicating that her and Teresa had "caught Mary redhanded" putting empty viles that were supposed to contain blood from a blood draw of some manager into her lab coat pocket. The vile was empty because she had apparently missed the vein and rather than look incompetent or something she elected to pretend that all was well then, according to Lana and Teresa she typed up a fake lab report. Everyone misses a vein and I sometimes wonder about my coworkers at Little York. I beleive I reported that as well to my HR person. I didn't respond to call Mary back because I was upset that someone would falsify medical records.

Sometimes I wonder if everything about the 4 minute phone call has something to do with Lana and Teresa, my 2 coworkers. Lana called me at 6:10 in the morning from her cell phone on my last day of work to tell me about this faked blood draw and faked lab reports. Sometimes I wonder if the story about the fake blood draw was all fabricated and that the police just want to get across the point to them that no one can make a 4 minute phone call and not have it turn up on phone records. Her call to me was probably about 4 minutes long. That's where I often wonder too much and over speculate. I keep coming back to Gemmell and Mike Morris more from the media reports and the untruths said about me by them. However, there is more circumstantial evidence that I know of to implicate the others. The weakness is there is little motive for them.

Gemmell and Morris had plenty of motive in the form of money and deteriorating relationships. The life insurance policy jumped from $500k in one media account to 700k in another. Was there even a life insurance policy?

I wonder too why Mike Morris would refuse to speak with police without an attorney present. Would the attorney also advise him not to do a show on Unsolved mysteries. Usually attorneys advise clients to say nothing. It is all puzzling. Maybe that is why Mike Morris remains silent through all these years after the UM show. He got away with it? They got away with it? Or he is innocent of everything? Does he care?

The case seems to have fizzled to nothing. If Mary committed suicide, which my coworker, Lana was adamant what happened, will someone please have the decency and courage to let me know. One day I might just hire a Thurman type guy to find out who killed her. Right now, I'm too cheap.

If obsessive thinking from time to time about the Mary Morris Murders is crazy, then, yes, I guess I must be. That is the only crazy part that I am guilty of.

I've got better things to do with my time before I head back to Algeria and the razor wire compound that I call home these days.

There are a few other things about Mike Morris which are: Before he left Houston for West Virginia I called him up, despite a restraining order, to find out what he would have to say. I identified myself to him and said that I am not supposed to call you so if you don't want to talk or you are going to report me (for calling) I will hang up now. He implied that it was ok. I asked him if he thought I killed his wife and he said "Well Duane, I sure hope not". I then went on to explain to him that details may have been missed or important things that police might need to know about and suggested to him that we go to the police together and talk to them. He said "well I've done every thing I can and told the police everything I know so I don't think it would help anymore (to go in) and then I think he felt threatened (not by me but from me suggesting we go in together) because he said then in a kind of louder aggeressive tone, "You threatened my wife(!). I said to him. "If you mean a death threat written on my calendar, anybody could have written that" I don't remember if I said it wasn't me or not but it was obviously the implication. He never said anything more. I think I said thanks for your time and ended the call. I really wished I had pressed him a bit more for detail but didn't want to because I wasn't supposed to call him in the first place and didn't have the foresight to ask questions that would help.

The point is he said that I had threatened his wife and then said nothing more or elaborated in anyway. He also implied on UM that I was a threat to Mary and described her concerns about me. Both Mike Morris and Laurie Gemmell lied about these threats and went way overboard on suggesting that I was a problem worker (right from the beginning). Mary would not have kept a problem worker on her staff and she would have reported concerns to my contracting company. I should have taped the phone call. The only people I ever came across that made these type of allegations were Mike Morris and Laurie Gemmell. I reported some things about Mary to the HR people. I believe that Gemmell and Mike Morris took advantage of this and decided it would fit nicely into a plan to make it look like I threatened her with physical violence or something like that. I don't think I've ever threatened anyone with an implication of violence since I was a child (children sometimes say things like - I'm gonna kill you, to their playmates or at least they used to when I was a kid.)

I will be assertive in work relations when called for but have never threatened anyone. Just to clarify something that may not be true, as details are quite important, I don't actually recall reporting Mary about the alleged fake blood draw to the HR people on my last day of work so I had best be very careful in what I say here. If I did they would recall it or I could look through some old notes to see if I did.

Mary and I never even had an argument. We had a mild discussion or two of mild controversy but it wouldn't amount to anything that would frighten anyone or have a reason to be concerned. It seems that Mary had concerns about been killed and this has been ascertained. I'm not suggesting that she would not have considered me as "the threat" to her but it seems quite the opposite in everything I have ever known or found out. It seems more like she knew it wasn't me. I had told her that I was up at the clinic the night before she arrived at the clinic to discover her computer raised up. (Oct 5th, 2000) and she may have found notes or something in her computer. These notes were mentioned by Lana Walker and also were written about in the restraining order against me that stated I couldn't speak to the media or have any contact with Union Carbide employees. So I guess there may have been notes. No one else ever mentioned these notes that I can recall. It wasn't in the media anywhere was it?

The bottom line is Laurie Gemmell and Mike Morris lied, therefore, they must be guilty of conspiracy to commit murder and blame me for it in light of all available evidence.

I have even given them the benefit of the doubt in my mind on many occasions, considering every possible scenario and it keeps coming back to them. I do admit that I don't know everything though.

I was told by 48 hours Mystery that the other parties were refusing to cooperate with efforts to be invoved with the show they wanted to put together.

well Koala...I'm not sure about anyone else but I believe you. In fact, even when I watched the segment originally, I never thought it was the "co-worker" as UM suggested. To me, the whole co-worker thing was too obvious...almost like a red herring. My belief is still that Mike Morris had something to do with it. I don't know about this Laurie lady but as just my hunch, Mike Morris looked and still looks guilty as hell to me. I mean, eally...who is going to stay on the phone and let it just ring and ring four minutes??????

well Koala...I'm not sure about anyone else but I believe you. In fact, even when I watched the segment originally, I never thought it was the "co-worker" as UM suggested. To me, the whole co-worker thing was too obvious...almost like a red herring. My belief is still that Mike Morris had something to do with it. I don't know about this Laurie lady but as just my hunch, Mike Morris looked and still looks guilty as hell to me. I mean, eally...who is going to stay on the phone and let it just ring and ring four minutes??????

If I were to bet on this case, I'd bet just about everything I had that her husband did it. That story about the cell phone call is the worst story I've ever heard. Cell phone companies and computers don't make mistakes like that. He talked with somebody for 4 minutes after she died. Who was it?

I also researched the phone numbers on the phone bill from the UM segment a few years ago and they all seemed legitimate as in the segment was probably not a fake. I also had archived on my computer that later crashed, all of the local news stories about the case that aired in the first week following Mary's death. There were discrepancies as if Laurie Gemmell and Mike Morris may have been getting their timelines in order. Again, there is always room for media errors but in contacts with them (personally and very few) there is little room in my mind about who did it. An autopsy report would have made the difference for me to know what was true and what was orchestrated. One used to be able to get any autopsy report from Harris County. Once I was allowed to have access I didn't do it right away and then the laws changed so that not just anyone can get a report. I will reiterate that if the segment and other media events that followed were not a ruise of some kind to catch the real culprits then there is no doubt who killed Mary Morris and may have killed the other Mary Morris as well, like Robert Stack said, "as incredible as it may seem". I believe in coincidence but too many and so many excuses it gets pathetic. In the thread that was pulled Laurie Gemmell made thw excuse that Mary Morris had told her that I was banging and yelling on windows. Now, how could anyone keep coming up with the same stories, even 4 years after the Murder (site the AMW show) unless they were riding a tailwind of sheer ignorance and desperation that they thought everyone believed.. If they had researched the death in sincerity as a friend and husband who would want to know what happened to their loved one they would have known that things like this did not happen. When forced to be accountable Laurie Gemmell blamed Mary for the account. That is not acceptable to me after so many years. They are both desperate people trying to BS anyone involved with them. Having said that, you just never know for sure.

As I had predicted that Laurie Gemmell would shut down her IBM Email contact that can be viewed via this thread above I guess I was wrong. That indicates that I don't know everything for 100% nor can I accurately predict what others will do. I can give some evidence copied and pasted back here from freakmagnet that indicated to me in no uncertain terms that she was under extreme pressure from Laurie Gemmell regarding our well prearranged meeting in Newfoundland. At first she said that she wouldln't be he held hostage to my questions about Gemmell and a possible setup. As I don't give up easily and had already in stages, disseminated some of the quotes from our correspondence to her husband and then her church (which she rarely attended but was apparently kicked out of because of my correspondence and vivid quotations) was the the point when she started to say that in so many words, you don't understand the pressure I was under. That is when she did not want her children to know and came up with the statement, regarding Gemmell, of you do not understand the pressure I was under. I wanted to know what kind of presssure for obvious reasons. Gemmell refused to respond or elaborate and so did freakmagnet. (Looking back I don't find that UM name flattering to me - oh well) I just bthink that the type of people that are capable of conspiracy to commit a murder are also quite capable of manipulating a setup later on with me. Laurie Gemmell is crafty but hey so am I and others. Perhaps before I leave for work in Algeria on Saturday I will quote the exact text copied and pasted to this thread as it appears. Then maybe, for discretionary legal reasons I should not. You can check out freakmagnets website if you google dizzy rambler. It's always the first to come up. Look under "about Nancy" It will be blacked out if someone does not believe me. This was blacked out not long after this setup caper was made known. Please do not bother the family or contact the website as people do not need to suffer more than they already have. Freakmagnet no longer seems to work for IBM under their employee directory list or has just delisted herself as you can see is an option. Laurie Gemmell may have won out, again and passed the buck to freakmagnet (Nancy Chambers).

The other thing that surprised me in our correspondence following our meeting in Newfoundland was that she seemed surprized that I had not tried anything or become angry when freakmagnet asked me to leave despite the fact her excuse was lame and we had plans for the week. If she was surprized by this why would she even ask me to join her and then ask me to leave. It seems the reason maybe that she either failed in planning or was just manipulated by Gemmell to test me out. Either way, she would lie to police in Florida, as she did by saying I just turned up out of the blue, but, which is better to say I conspired with Gemmell to test me out, I conspired with Gemmell to set me up to bruise me and leave me bleeding or just say in so many words, which she did, I just had to have you right from the start and all I wanted was sex but once I met you, you became so very much more important to me and I was taken aback by emotion from being with you and just needed time to think and reflect. I believe the only softening that came out of her disposition was the known fact I could and would make her look very irresponsible to her family, her Church members, possibly her children (although I reassured her I would not) and jeopardize her carreer. So you can see how it all works that there are many scenarios that are possible. It's when you see and find Gemmell in the background at every step, manipulating, denying acccountability, outright lying and then when asked about key facts, calls a lawyer and won't respond. I hope no one cancels this thread because of flaming another. These are facts and may or may not have importance to this case. It is all about the UM segment on the Mary Morris Murders. Of course, someone else could have conspired to murder Mary Morris. They just aren't repeatedly trying to manipulate a suitable environment for themselves - or are they???

From early on the realtionship between freakmagnet and me was that the first encounter was to be I was the submissive and Nancy was to be the dominant. She explained that the submissive really has all the control. As she was the dominant and I was to be submissive I was to follow her demands but also be in control. I can't help but think this teaching was in line with something more sinister that could absolve the parties of guilt later on if need be. I was told what her desires were and that I needed to submit to those desires to role play. This would make me the guilty party if that theory of a planned sex/bite my nipples/leave bruises and bleeding were to amount to anything and to leave me feeling comfortable with it all. It is probably true that is the case in these roles and maybe I read into it more than is needed because of personal involvement with people suggesting that I threatened Mary and killed her. I am open to sexual ideas but when one studies everything is there not much room to consider. Or am I biased in some way? It baffles the mind, anyway.

I mean, eally...who is going to stay on the phone and let it just ring and ring four minutes??????


Not to start an argument or anything, but if I couldn't find my husband and his cell phone was the only way I could reach him... I'd stay on that phone for four minutes, for four hours, or four DAYS.

...with the advent of voice mail, though, I don't see how that phone could have rang for four minutes.

I really don't know what to think of the phone call. If Mike truly was talking to someone, I suppose we're to assume he was talking to the person who killed Mary. However, that seems like a pretty careless move, both for Mike to call at that time, and the hitman to answer and then get in to a four minute conversation with Mike knowing that Mary had already called 911, and that the phone company would have a record of all the activity.

I am locking this thread. The last threads concerning Mary Morris were gotten rid of and there weren't supposed to be any more started. Here is the quote from TJ (the administrator) on the previous thread several months ago that was locked. Especially notice the last two sentences:

"I was already asked by one of the detectives of this case to close the other thread as he said it was interferring with it. I'd kindly ask that no other threads be created on this as they will just get out of hand. Please take it to another forum."