I know the Contra Costa article has been posted here several times, but it's rather long (five parts), plus the Contra Costa links don't hold up, so I thought I'd summarize it and in additon provie a link that appears to hold up better. It's on a different site, but I believe it's the same article.

Anywho, the article details more things that make Jule Caylor more suspicious. I don't believe any of these were mentioned in the UM segment, at least I don't recall that they were.

-The article goes into greater detail about Dottie's plans to leave Jule. It is learned that since Jule was transfering to Utah, and Dottie planned to stay where she was, that she planned to buy Jule's half of the house, thus owning her own house for their first time in her life. In addition to her own bank account, it is learned that Dottie inherited $5000 around this time. (a substantial amount, even moreso in those days.) That check for $5000 expired sometime in 1985 (Dottie went missing on 6/12/85), and was never cashed. (highly unlikely somebody would just throw away 5k). Also, it is learned that Dottie was meeting singles at the church she started attending. I don't recall if the segment mentioned that Dottie officially filed for divorce, but the article states that she did. Dottie would disappear on Jule's last day working at their California residence. Dottie almost escaped Jule's wrath, but unfortunately just missed it. (really tragic, as she had everything lined up perfectly to leave him.)

-The article also goes into greater detail about their marriage. It is learned that Jule (who often went on work-related trips - he worked for the Forest Service) cheated on Dottie, many times. Dottie had acquired lots of evidence of this. It is also learned that she checked herself into a battered women's shelter after the typing stand incident in 1981, that left a gaping wound above her left eye. It is also learned that in addition to being physically and mentally abusive to Dottie, Jule was also threating her, and Dottie was feared for her life.

-The article also talks about Jule's suspicious behavior immediately following Dottie's disappearance. Among the items that were left in Dottie's car were her driver's license and her medical card. The woman that Jule was having an affair with at the time of Dottie's disappearance said that around that time her and Jule planned on getting together, but Jule cancelled, stating that he had to clean up a huge mess that Dottie and Jule's renters had made at their rental property - only they didn't have a rental property. Around this time, Jule was also seen pouring a concrete patio, which neighbors found unusual as Jule never did househould projects. Another peculiar instance involving neighbors occured when Jule popped his head over a neighbors fence as they were about to remove some ivy. Jule said that if they did that, the fence would come crashing down. The neighbors didn't remove the ivy at that time, but did 10 years later and found a meat cleaver with the end heavily taped (I believe this has been mentioned on the boards.)

The above might hint that Dottie was buried in her own backyard, however someone else speculated that since Jule worked for the Forest service, that he might have buried her in a remote section of a forest in an attempt to prevent the body from ever being found.

A couple of interesting side notes: Jule (had the nerve) to run for the Utah House of Representatives (I don't think he won.) Also, the article talks about Jule being thrown out of a Wendy's for making a mess at their salad bar (remember when Wendy's had salad bars?), and Jule wrote an 8 page letter to the manager talking about his ability to construct a salad, and included a picture of a well put together salad.

I apologize if this is old news, but most of it was news to me.

http://www.crimeandjustice.us/forums/lofiversion/index.php?t637.html

Jules Caylor, the guy with strabismus, another Joe Owens(the concrete patio), go figure. Thanks for the article wiseguy. In the UM segment it is mentioned that Dottie suffered from agoraphobia(fear of leaving your "comfort zone",your home) or is it acrophobia(fear of heights)?

Jules Caylor, the guy with strabismus, another Joe Owens(the concrete patio), go figure. Thanks for the article wiseguy. In the UM segment it is mentioned that Dottie suffered from agoraphobia(fear of leaving your "comfort zone",your home) or is it acrophobia(fear of heights)?

Dottie was afraid to go out in public places. So she suffered from agoraphobia.

I know the Contra Costa article has been posted here several times, but it's rather long (five parts), plus the Contra Costa links don't hold up, so I thought I'd summarize it and in additon provie a link that appears to hold up better. It's on a different site, but I believe it's the same article.

Anywho, the article details more things that make Jule Caylor more suspicious. I don't believe any of these were mentioned in the UM segment, at least I don't recall that they were.

-The article goes into greater detail about Dottie's plans to leave Jule. It is learned that since Jule was transfering to Utah, and Dottie planned to stay where she was, that she planned to buy Jule's half of the house, thus owning her own house for their first time in her life. In addition to her own bank account, it is learned that Dottie inherited $5000 around this time. (a substantial amount, even moreso in those days.) That check for $5000 expired sometime in 1985 (Dottie went missing on 6/12/85), and was never cashed. (highly unlikely somebody would just throw away 5k). Also, it is learned that Dottie was meeting singles at the church she started attending. I don't recall if the segment mentioned that Dottie officially filed for divorce, but the article states that she did. Dottie would disappear on Jule's last day working at their California residence. Dottie almost escaped Jule's wrath, but unfortunately just missed it. (really tragic, as she had everything lined up perfectly to leave him.)

-The article also goes into greater detail about their marriage. It is learned that Jule (who often went on work-related trips - he worked for the Forest Service) cheated on Dottie, many times. Dottie had acquired lots of evidence of this. It is also learned that she checked herself into a battered women's shelter after the typing stand incident in 1981, that left a gaping wound above her left eye. It is also learned that in addition to being physically and mentally abusive to Dottie, Jule was also threating her, and Dottie was feared for her life.

-The article also talks about Jule's suspicious behavior immediately following Dottie's disappearance. Among the items that were left in Dottie's car were her driver's license and her medical card. The woman that Jule was having an affair with at the time of Dottie's disappearance said that around that time her and Jule planned on getting together, but Jule cancelled, stating that he had to clean up a huge mess that Dottie and Jule's renters had made at their rental property - only they didn't have a rental property. Around this time, Jule was also seen pouring a concrete patio, which neighbors found unusual as Jule never did househould projects. Another peculiar instance involving neighbors occured when Jule popped his head over a neighbors fence as they were about to remove some ivy. Jule said that if they did that, the fence would come crashing down. The neighbors didn't remove the ivy at that time, but did 10 years later and found a meat cleaver with the end heavily taped (I believe this has been mentioned on the boards.)

The above might hint that Dottie was buried in her own backyard, however someone else speculated that since Jule worked for the Forest service, that he might have buried her in a remote section of a forest in an attempt to prevent the body from ever being found.

A couple of interesting side notes: Jule (had the nerve) to run for the Utah House of Representatives (I don't think he won.) Also, the article talks about Jule being thrown out of a Wendy's for making a mess at their salad bar (remember when Wendy's had salad bars?), and Jule wrote an 8 page letter to the manager talking about his ability to construct a salad, and included a picture of a well put together salad.

I apologize if this is old news, but most of it was news to me.

http://www.crimeandjustice.us/forums/lofiversion/index.php?t637.html

I had read that article before but I appreciate you detailing it wiseguy as I think the link to the article was no longer valid. I assume that they have tore up that patio and looked underneath, right? I mean that is just common sense. I think I had forgotten about the meat cleaver though. Since it was taped up and therefore somewhat protected from the elements I wonder if there's any chance they could find Dottie's dna on it. That would probably be enough to arrest him.

Shocking about the numerous affairs. I can't believe that troll could find one woman to give him a chance let alone several. puke:

I don't know if they checked the patio, they should have. Although, Jule might have moved it before they checked.

Jule currently has a female companion. Wonder what she thinks of all this, or if she even knows about it.

Yes, Caylor, I dont know, I just think the guy is probably guilty. I am actually going to write a letter to the Contra Costa County, California district attorney to see what they are doing with the case. I will keep everyone here posted as to what if anything they say.

There is little doubt in my mind that Jule Caylor is responsible for the disapperance or lets face it murder of his wife Dottie.

The question that has always troubled me in this case for some reason is whether Jule's intentions to kill Dottie were pre-meditated or whether it was a "crime of passion". I can honestly see it going either way:

Dottie was getting to the point in her life where she no longer needed Jule around, he was apparently having affairs at that time and she was becoming more independant of Jule. So they were likely headed for some type of seperation as they had both been tried by their marriage to each other and had grown apart.

In my opinion, Jule Caylor doesn't come off in the segment as the type of guy who would've begged Dottie to stay with him or be upset if she left him at least by that point in his life. I think he had moved on too obviously but I think what might have proved a motive for Jule in this case was that maybe he didn't want Dottie to profit in any way from their divorce. She was supposed to retain their home after Jule moved away to Utah right? - Maybe Jule didn't want to part with that property or have Dottie profit from their divorce.

I think its more likely though that what caused Dottie's disappearance/death was probably some domestic violence or just a fight that got out of control. Dottie was becoming independant of Jule and obviously more assertive than she had been so maybe she just pushed his buttons the wrong way (or vice versa) and the two got into a physical altercation that got out of control and Dottie ending up dying as a result of that.

There are so many scenerios that could've happened if you buy into the theory that what happened to Dottie was the result of a crime of passion. From what the UM segment said, the Caylors were well known for a history of physical altercations with each other so more than likely this could be a case of where Jule Caylor in a physical altercation with Dottie caused her death.

I dunno what do you think, I think when it comes to Jule Caylor almost anything is possible given what I've read about him in news articles and heard from the man himself on UM. Certainly a complex individual who you aren't going to really understand at first glance thats for sure.

Well, I do think if Jule were ever charged, I do think a first degree murder conviction would probably be hard to get. I think it would be easier to get a 2nd degree murder conviction which carries a 15 years to life sentence in California. OF course since over twenty years has passed since the case, they maybe would even be willing to offer Jule a plea bargain where he would be allowed to plead guilty to voluntary manslaughter which in California usually gets you anywhere from 5 to 10 years.

There is little doubt in my mind that Jule Caylor is responsible for the disapperance or lets face it murder of his wife Dottie.

The question that has always troubled me in this case for some reason is whether Jule's intentions to kill Dottie were pre-meditated or whether it was a "crime of passion". I can honestly see it going either way:

Dottie was getting to the point in her life where she no longer needed Jule around, he was apparently having affairs at that time and she was becoming more independant of Jule. So they were likely headed for some type of seperation as they had both been tried by their marriage to each other and had grown apart.

In my opinion, Jule Caylor doesn't come off in the segment as the type of guy who would've begged Dottie to stay with him or be upset if she left him at least by that point in his life. I think he had moved on too obviously but I think what might have proved a motive for Jule in this case was that maybe he didn't want Dottie to profit in any way from their divorce. She was supposed to retain their home after Jule moved away to Utah right? - Maybe Jule didn't want to part with that property or have Dottie profit from their divorce.

I think its more likely though that what caused Dottie's disappearance/death was probably some domestic violence or just a fight that got out of control. Dottie was becoming independant of Jule and obviously more assertive than she had been so maybe she just pushed his buttons the wrong way (or vice versa) and the two got into a physical altercation that got out of control and Dottie ending up dying as a result of that.

There are so many scenerios that could've happened if you buy into the theory that what happened to Dottie was the result of a crime of passion. From what the UM segment said, the Caylors were well known for a history of physical altercations with each other so more than likely this could be a case of where Jule Caylor in a physical altercation with Dottie caused her death.

I dunno what do you think, I think when it comes to Jule Caylor almost anything is possible given what I've read about him in news articles and heard from the man himself on UM. Certainly a complex individual who you aren't going to really understand at first glance thats for sure.

I tend to agree with your "crime of passion" theory Dante. As I was reading wiseguy's post I kept thinking to myself "what was Jule's motive?" He seemed to be happy she was leaving and apparently she wasn't going to be getting a huge divorce settlement or anything, on the contrary as Dottie was actually paying Jule money for the house. There seems to be little motive for a planned out murder. They had had physical fights before and there is no doubt in my mind that Jule murdered her, no doubt it was a fight like many before but this time Jule ended up killing her.

Jules Caylor, the guy with strabismus,

Not to nitpick, but did he really have it? I couldn't tell from the segment. I'm just curious because I had this disorder as a child, but it was corrected surgically.

Not to nitpick, but did he really have it? I couldn't tell from the segment. I'm just curious because I had this disorder as a child, but it was corrected surgically.

I really don´t know. From the segment, I noticed that his eyes were not properly aligned with each other, and since strabismus involves a lack of coordination between the extraocular muscles (superior rectus, inferior rectus, lateral rectus, medial rectus, superior oblique, inferior oblique) that prevents bringing the gaze of each eye to the same point in space, I thought that he possibly had or has strabismus, but I really don´t know.

Dottie Caylor's case appeared in the episode that also featured the case of Shannon Davis, which has also been discussed recently (Do you prefer Jules Caylor or Dave Davis?). This episode (an appropriate title could be: Potential Wives, beware of the Bridegroom) is Special #4, the first hosted by Robert Stack, originally aired on November 29, 1987. It also included another eerie case: Aileen Conway. I think Mrs. Conway's case will never be solved.


Nice avatar Crystaldawn. Is the girl Anthonette Cayedito?

^ Yep that is Anthonette Cayedito. Special #4 is pretty strong I agree but out of all 7 special this one boasts the stupidest segment about the Grand Canyon skeleton or whatever the hell its called. Three great segments and one hidiously stupid one.

I think Jule Caylor is likely responsible, and, though I have not read the article referred to here (which appears to contradict my theory), my guess is that a fight might have broken out over one of his wife's girlfriends. I got the distinct impression from the segment that Dottie Caylor might have been intending to leave Jule for a woman, specifically the one who appeared on the segment (who was a "friend") who was clearly shattered by the whole experience. I could definitely see a guy like Jule not being able to take the blow to his ego that his wife leaving him for a woman would deal.

Does anyone know if they at least ran the meat cleaver for signs of blood? If they did and human blood was found on it, I would think that plus the eyewitness testimony about the porch would be enough to get a warrant to dig up the porch, though I suppose this is made a little more difficult now considering the house is owned by a third and presumably uninvolved party.

After all this time, though, I have to assume they found no blood on the cleaver, and thus have no probable cause for a search, which means this case will likely remain unsolved.

I dunno. I have a hard time believing Jule killed Dottie simply because she was leaving him. He seemed like the type who wouldn't have cared less if Dottie left him for man or woman. I think Dottie had some juicy info on Jule and may have with her leaving him, exposed some of that information.

Shocking about the numerous affairs. I can't believe that troll could find one woman to give him a chance let alone several. puke:

My thoughts exactly! :lol:

I dunno. I have a hard time believing Jule killed Dottie simply because she was leaving him. He seemed like the type who wouldn't have cared less if Dottie left him for man or woman. I think Dottie had some juicy info on Jule and may have with her leaving him, exposed some of that information.

I don't know; apparently the man can't even stand to have his salad-making abilities criticised. If his wife were to implicitly criticise his more manly abilities, I think it perfectly likely that that creep would decide she no longer needed to live.

I don't know; apparently the man can't even stand to have his salad-making abilities criticised.

I wonder if that picture with Jule and his spectacular salad is still around. That would make an awesome avatar pic:lol:

There is little doubt in my mind that Jule Caylor is responsible for the disapperance or lets face it murder of his wife Dottie.

The question that has always troubled me in this case for some reason is whether Jule's intentions to kill Dottie were pre-meditated or whether it was a "crime of passion". I can honestly see it going either way:

Dottie was getting to the point in her life where she no longer needed Jule around, he was apparently having affairs at that time and she was becoming more independant of Jule. So they were likely headed for some type of seperation as they had both been tried by their marriage to each other and had grown apart.

In my opinion, Jule Caylor doesn't come off in the segment as the type of guy who would've begged Dottie to stay with him or be upset if she left him at least by that point in his life. I think he had moved on too obviously but I think what might have proved a motive for Jule in this case was that maybe he didn't want Dottie to profit in any way from their divorce. She was supposed to retain their home after Jule moved away to Utah right? - Maybe Jule didn't want to part with that property or have Dottie profit from their divorce.

I think its more likely though that what caused Dottie's disappearance/death was probably some domestic violence or just a fight that got out of control. Dottie was becoming independant of Jule and obviously more assertive than she had been so maybe she just pushed his buttons the wrong way (or vice versa) and the two got into a physical altercation that got out of control and Dottie ending up dying as a result of that.

There are so many scenerios that could've happened if you buy into the theory that what happened to Dottie was the result of a crime of passion. From what the UM segment said, the Caylors were well known for a history of physical altercations with each other so more than likely this could be a case of where Jule Caylor in a physical altercation with Dottie caused her death.

I dunno what do you think, I think when it comes to Jule Caylor almost anything is possible given what I've read about him in news articles and heard from the man himself on UM. Certainly a complex individual who you aren't going to really understand at first glance thats for sure.

Since Dottie disappeared (and was probably murdered on) the last day Jule worked in San Fran, I get the impression that it was pre-mediated somewhat, and wasn't a crime of passion.

Jule states in the segment that he had absolutely no idea about Dottie's other life, which I can believe that much of what he says, as he was out of town more than half of the time. I think that Jule thought that Dottie couldn't get along with him, and Dottie figured she might as well tell Jule what was going on since he was leaving for Utah anyways. I think she wanted to tell him that she had everything lined up to get along just fine without him, and he wasn't able to accept that and offed her as a result. I think it's just too much to be a coincidence that Dottie disappeared so close to when Jule left the area.

:confused: Okay, I'm lost. Someone refresh my memory about this one.

:confused: Okay, I'm lost. Someone refresh my memory about this one.

I posted a link on the first post in this thread. It goes into great detail, much greater detail than the UM segment.

I'd say Caylor along with Pollis were the two biggest jerks on UM. I'll never forget Caylor saying that it was hell living with his wife, it was hell living without her, and things were purty good after she 'disappeared'. What a callous small *****!

Well Caylor was pretty cocky in the segment. It made me think one of two things, either this guy is so confident that they cannot tie him to his wife's disapperance and presumed murder and he will be walking the streets free for the rest of his life. Or this is a guy that if he really did it there is no way he would be this cocky on a national TV show which at that time was very highly rated.

I will be sending a letter to the Contra Costa County, California District Attorney tomorrow to see what if anything they can tell about charges possibly being filed against Jule Caylor.

Well Caylor was pretty cocky in the segment. It made me think one of two things, either this guy is so confident that they cannot tie him to his wife's disapperance and presumed murder and he will be walking the streets free for the rest of his life. Or this is a guy that if he really did it there is no way he would be this cocky on a national TV show which at that time was very highly rated.

I will be sending a letter to the Contra Costa County, California District Attorney tomorrow to see what if anything they can tell about charges possibly being filed against Jule Caylor.

Somewhere on my hard drive, I have a copy of the probable cause affidavit that was filed recently in an attempt to procure a search warrant for Caylor's old property. It included copies of the odd anonymous letter that was sent to the Concord police detailing how Jule killed Dottie, along with a diagram showing where her body was buried(!) I would be interested to know if they ever got the warrant.

Yes, I sent the letter today, so I will see what if any response I get from the Contra Costa county DA's office. I might also write to the Concord police. I dont know how much they will be allowed to tell since it is an open investigation but I hope I get some kind of response from them and I will keep everyone here posted of what if any response I get.

Jule has since retracted his story and said that he never drove Dottie to the BART station and that she must have drove herself, he also now claims that he totally forgot about Dottie and her disapperance. :rolleyes:

http://www.charleyproject.org/cases/c/caylor_dorothy.html

Well with Jule, in my opinion, the guy is so arrogant, I think he thinks he can do this flip flopping on his story and never be arrested or charged because Dottie's body hasnt been found. Sadly he is probably right, I would be shocked if Jule were actually charged.

Heck, Jule could probably tell them he did it and they still wouldnt charge him without the body. I wrote the Contra Costa County District Attorney, asking him to look into charging Jule because of all these developments but I never heard back.

Well with Jule, in my opinion, the guy is so arrogant, I think he thinks he can do this flip flopping on his story and never be arrested or charged because Dottie's body hasnt been found. Sadly he is probably right, I would be shocked if Jule were actually charged.

Heck, Jule could probably tell them he did it and they still wouldnt charge him without the body. I wrote the Contra Costa County District Attorney, asking him to look into charging Jule because of all these developments but I never heard back.


Honestly, it wouldn't surprise me if Jule forgot about Dottie's disappearance. He didn't look like he was all there to me..... :crazy:

lol...sure wasn't winning any beauty contests either

Jule has since retracted his story and said that he never drove Dottie to the BART station and that she must have drove herself, he also now claims that he totally forgot about Dottie and her disapperance. :rolleyes:

http://www.charleyproject.org/cases/c/caylor_dorothy.html

That would make a Hell of a lot more sense.

I must admit I never understood his original story anyway. If he drove Dottie to the BART station, how did her car end up being parked next to his? I guess we're to assume that she somehow made it back home after he dropped her off, then took her car to the BART station and boarded another train. I'm not saying I believe that is what happened - but is that what he wanted the authorities to assume?

Well, Jule is smart in my opinion, but he is arrogant, and like most arrogant people he has a massive ego and so while I think he is smart, it is my opinion that he isnt as smart as he thinks he is. I never thought Jule's story about driving Dotty to the BART station and then later finding her car parked next to his made any sense, he wrote notes and put them on the car to establish an alabi of sorts, what is odd is the notes are completely out of character for Jule as he showed love, compassion and concern for Dotty in those notes, something that by all accounts including Jule's, he never did otherwise.

It is my guess that the authorities with the Concord, California police and the Contra Costa County District Attorney's office have forgot all about this case. It is to the point, I think they should charge Jule, even if they dont get a conviction, at least they could say they tried.

Since Jule has retracted his story about driving Dottie to the BART station, they could try to make a case, I would say, it would be hard to prove pre meditation here, so at best they would get a 2nd degree murder conviction on Jule I think, but Jule is 71, 72 years old now, so he is getting up there in years.

One thing I never understood was Jule was involved in several affairs while married to Dottie and wasnt Dottie actually his mistress when Jule was married prior to Dottie? I dont understand why women had this attraction to Jule.

That would make a Hell of a lot more sense.

I must admit I never understood his original story anyway. If he drove Dottie to the BART station, how did her car end up being parked next to his? I guess we're to assume that she somehow made it back home after he dropped her off, then took her car to the BART station and boarded another train. I'm not saying I believe that is what happened - but is that what he wanted the authorities to assume?

I agree, I never really understood what Jule was trying to pull off there.

My best guess was that he was going for a "if I put park her car at a bus station/train station/airport parking lot, they'll think she could be anywhere" angle (see Harrison, Susan, for example), but then why would he make up the part about driving her to the station? Perhaps he figured he'd better say that he drove her there because some might have a hard time believing that Dottie, with her fear of public places, could drive herself, and then changed his tune and decided he'd better park her car there, because that would make it seem more certain that she did make it to the station, whereas otherwise they're just taking her word for it.

I should mention it's bizarre that Jule didn't know where she was going. I wonder if authorities could verify that she arrived at the BART station (which I assume they couldn't).

found another article that mentions Dottie had been meeting men in a Christian singles organization in the months prior to her disappearance

article also mentions the following (this is dated 6/12/2005)

Jule declined to be interviewed for this story. Via e-mail, he said he had nothing more to say about Dottie's disappearance that he hadn't already said. He repeated his belief that Dottie is alive and in hiding.

"Assuming she has successfully concealed herself thus far, I think it unlikely she will choose to voluntarily disclose her whereabouts any time soon," Jule wrote. "She said she could disappear, and she did it. There is nothing more I can add that is not well documented."

Police have called Jule a "person of interest" in the case

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1421500/posts

i just found jule's e-mail address.

i just found jule's e-mail address.

Well first of all it's about time he was declared a person of interest. And also Wiseguy...are you gonna send him a note???

P.S. I found his amazon reviewer profile lol

Well first of all it's about time he was declared a person of interest. And also Wiseguy...are you gonna send him a note???

P.S. I found his amazon reviewer profile lol

:lol: That's crazy!!!! Wiseguy, are you going to write him? And he has an amazon reviewer profile? That's great, I'll have to go take a peek at what he recommends!
I found a Jule A Caylor, that writes...textbooks. Is that him?

E-mail him and ask if he can give you a ride to the BART station.

:lol:

E-mail him and ask if he can give you a ride to the BART station.

:lol:

no thanks, I don't wish to become an unsolved mystery. :lol:

To answer your question guys, no I wouldn't send Jule an e-mail in a million, billion, trillion years. Of course, I could think of plenty to ask him, but I'm sure he would just reply that there's nothing he can say that he hasn't already said. Yes, the amazon profile is where I found his e-mail address, he had written one review, some foresty book If I remember correctly, which would make sense since that's his area of expertise.

lol i was only kidding...it's not often you find a suspected killer's contact info i guess. Anyhow, I would never send him an email either for fear that i would be offered a ride to the station myself (UM theme playing in my head)

E-mail him and ask if he can give you a ride to the BART station.

:lol:

Bah. He'll just end up telling everyone that you've "either willfully disappeared and then was helped to permanently disappear or perhaps err... got in with the errr... the errr... wrong person at the start (sigh)." :rolleyes:

I think Jule murdered Dottie then dumped her body (buried it) in a National Park or National forest somewhere. His job as an entomologist for the Forestry service would give him the perfect cover to do that. He would know the layouts and which parts of the forests are seldom visited and the best times to go to each. If anyone were to question why he is there, he could always say it was to perform his job duties. Also, that would be an almost impossible area to do a thorough search for a buried body (which would also be dug up and destroyed by animals.

It still seems worthwhile to get a search warrant for the concrete patio, if it still exists. If the actual body isn't there, perhaps other evidence is. This was done in one case 20 or 30 years after a man buried his wife in the back yard and poured concrete for a swimming pool there, her fossilized remains were found and he was arrested for murder. I say, go for it!

As for the email, set up a dummy email address with all false information. The password could even be shared by several members here. Pose as an attractive woman with the hots for Jule, and see what he says! :devil:

He came across as a hateful jerk. :mad: As soon as he opened his mouth, I felt he was guilty. It's too bad he'll probably never be arrested. :(

I think he's a jerk and guilty, but he came across in a somewhat humorous fashion in the same way Bob Bean did. His arrogance is so over the top, it's funny.

Jules Caylor made almost no effort of covering up his guilt. Where are his emotions regarding his wife's "disappearance"? He didn't give a damn. To add insult to injury, he mentioned how great his life has been since her disappearance, and how she caused him pain. It must have been convenient for him to have her leave.

Caylor reminds me of other potential homicidal husbands like Leonard Rizzo, and Don Sherman. Almost no emotion to the point of being dead cold.

Hmm, I do not know about this. I think that Caylor is responsible for his wife's death. However it bothers me when people assume that someone is guilty because they do not show emotion. It almost makes me wonder though if Caylor would really be that cocky if he had actually killed his wife? Well, unless he 'knew' that her body would never be found and that without a body he would almost certainly never be charged because of his **** and bull story that she 'disappeared' and that while everyone knew it was crap there was no way to officially discount it without a body.

Hmm, I do not know about this. I think that Caylor is responsible for his wife's death. However it bothers me when people assume that someone is guilty because they do not show emotion. It almost makes me wonder though if Caylor would really be that cocky if he had actually killed his wife? Well, unless he 'knew' that her body would never be found and that without a body he would almost certainly never be charged because of his **** and bull story that she 'disappeared' and that while everyone knew it was crap there was no way to officially discount it without a body.I think of Caylor as being guilty for other reasons as well. But one cannot deny that his nonchalant attitude is rather suspicious. If one of my loved ones disappeared, and I discussed it on a show, I'd have a very difficult time controlling my emotions. Caylor acted way too indifferent, IMO. As for Caylor's arrogance, perhaps he's just an overconfident fool. Some people think they can get away with practically anything.

Well, to me, his indifference is not that surprising. That is because him and his wife had a very turbulent marriage and obviously did not love each other or even like each other. I still think Caylor is probably responsible for his wife's disappearance but without a body it is hard to prove a case. Jule worked for the forest service plus owned land of his own in rural areas so he could have buried the body just about anywhere knowing almost certainly that the body would never be found.

Well, to me, his indifference is not that surprising. That is because him and his wife had a very turbulent marriage and obviously did not love each other or even like each other. I still think Caylor is probably responsible for his wife's disappearance but without a body it is hard to prove a case. Jule worked for the forest service plus owned land of his own in rural areas so he could have buried the body just about anywhere knowing almost certainly that the body would never be found.I wasn't aware that Caylor worked for the forest service. Assuming he killed his wife, he could easily hide her body anywhere.

When RS mentioned that Jule had written a note expressing his love I nearly gagged. I don't think any suspect has ever looked more guilty. To come flat out and say that he was glad to be living without her (And expressing no worry about her being gone), etc. He probably was so snarky because he knew they couldn't pin the crime on him without evidence. His lack of emotion is not what causes me to think he is guilty, but rather his snarky attitude and blatant accusations against his wife's character and seeming relief at her absence.

You know this is one good point. In fact while I disagree with a lot of your point, the one thing I do agree with is the note. That is one thing that to me never made sense. I mean you have Jule, a man who basically flaunted the fact he did not love his wife, did not miss her, etc and that is fine, but then this same guy writes a note telling his wife how much he loves her and how much he wants her to come home? No. I think the notes were smoke screens he set up to try to make it seem like he did not know where she was and that he wanted her to come back. Basically he was lying to police about major points before the police had even had a chance to talk to him because he knew eventually the police would discover his wife was missing and come to talk to him so he was already setting up his alibi before the police had even been notified that Dottie Caylor was missing. Also remember that the police did not become aware until 5 days after she disappeared that Dottie was missing and Jule never called the police or expressed concern to anyone that matter (except in his notes) that she was missing which tells me he knew where she was, that she was not missing but dead. Plus he probably needed to clean up the crime scene as I believe Dottie was probably murdered inside their Concord home. I believe one of Dottie's friends contacted the BART (Bay Area Rapid Transit) Police and reported her missing and they in turn contacted the Concord, California police.

Jules Caylor made almost no effort of covering up his guilt. Where are his emotions regarding his wife's "disappearance"? He didn't give a damn. To add insult to injury, he mentioned how great his life has been since her disappearance, and how she caused him pain. It must have been convenient for him to have her leave.

Caylor reminds me of other potential homicidal husbands like Leonard Rizzo, and Don Sherman. Almost no emotion to the point of being dead cold.

I'm not sure if I'd go that far. Leonard Rizzo had his wife's bones in his backyard, that's pretty compelling right there.

Don Sherman? Well he re-married last I checked and there's no doubt in my mind he killed her as well, hence the no emotion.

Jule was different I thought. You'd think people would step forward with some nasty stuff about the guy but they didnt other than that "fight" him and his wife had where she had a pair of scissors over him. I guess I have always leaned on the side of Dottie leaving and never coming back. Maybe she meets with foul play but IMO she's living somewhere under a different name. We all know she had a rough relationship with Jule, but maybe she had a tough one with her family as well. Plus if she was an introvert like that I can't imagine her having any friends. Would it be that hard to pack up and leave a life that sucks?

I'm not sure if I'd go that far. Leonard Rizzo had his wife's bones in his backyard, that's pretty compelling right there.

Don Sherman? Well he re-married last I checked and there's no doubt in my mind he killed her as well, hence the no emotion.

Jule was different I thought. You'd think people would step forward with some nasty stuff about the guy but they didnt other than that "fight" him and his wife had where she had a pair of scissors over him. I guess I have always leaned on the side of Dottie leaving and never coming back. Maybe she meets with foul play but IMO she's living somewhere under a different name. We all know she had a rough relationship with Jule, but maybe she had a tough one with her family as well. Plus if she was an introvert like that I can't imagine her having any friends. Would it be that hard to pack up and leave a life that sucks?The similarities between the 3 suspects is their lack of emotions which comes off as suspicious. There's no doubt that there is more dirt on Rizzo than on Caylor. Still, they all acted similar on the show.

The whole idea of Dottie disappearing sounds highly questionable. What would she gain from it? She was already slowly breaking away from Jule. All she had to do was divorce him. Again, it doesn't make any sense. As for Dottie being an introvert, she seemed like she was becoming more social. It said on UM that she made friends in the woman's support group. It doesn't make sense that she would leave after all the progress she was making. I kind of wonder if Jule didn't like seeing Dottie assert her independence, so he murdered her. Maybe he was one of those power hungry types...

The similarities between the 3 suspects is their lack of emotions which comes off as suspicious. There's no doubt that there is more dirt on Rizzo than on Caylor. Still, they all acted similar on the show.

The whole idea of Dottie disappearing sounds highly questionable. What would she gain from it? She was already slowly breaking away from Jule. All she had to do was divorce him. Again, it doesn't make any sense. As for Dottie being an introvert, she seemed like she was becoming more social. It said on UM that she made friends in the woman's support group. It doesn't make sense that she would leave after all the progress she was making. I kind of wonder if Jule didn't like seeing Dottie assert her independence, so he murdered her. Maybe he was one of those power hungry types...

Meh, maybe. But wasnt there just one of the women's groups members talking about her on the segment. Maybe her sister too I can't remember. I'm not sure if I remember them interviewing her parents even. I just got the feeling that her life was crappy even outside of her marriage. Like I said before, maybe she had a rough relationship with everyone involved. Gail Delano left her whole life behind and all she had was two divorces that were shady in the past. She was depressed. Dottie was depressed. People leave a lot especially in that state of mind. When a person that has depression wakes up in the morning they arent happy. They think everyone is against them, even if it so painfully clear that everyone is trying to help them. You can't see it when you are depressed. It's you vs. the world. Which is why depression is a disease. It causes you not to care about anything or anyone

Wasn't Dottie Caylor's purse found inside her (locked?) car a few days after she supposedly had it with her when she boarded the train at the BART station?

If Jule was taking her to the train and she realized that she had forgotten her purse back home, wouldn't they have gone back to get it before she left on her trip?

The only logical explanation I can think of for her purse being inside the car while she's been gone for days is that she had her hands full of other travel baggage and didn't notice that she left her purse in the car.

But was that even the car they supposedly went to the station in? And after a few days, don't you think she would have already called Jule and asked him to have her purse forwarded to her?

Back then especially, women generally didn't leave the house without their purses, and Dottie would have needed her ID and would have probably wanted the other items that were inside the purse. And where was her cash, check book, and credit cards? Were those inside the purse left behind, or did she carry them separately?

If they were in her purse, how was she supposed to pay for food, travel, and anything else while she was away from home?

I just read through the entire thread.

Items found in Dottie's purse included her driver's license and medical card. I don't know what else was in it.

And Jule has since retracted his statement that he drove her to the BART station. He now says that he did NOT drive her there.

I know that I'm not the only one to notice that the truth never changes but cover up stories by the guilty change all the time.

Jule has always looked pretty guilty, but there's one nagging question that persists: what possible motive could there be? Both were apparently going their separate ways (based on the article I posted earlier in this thread, which UM doesn't cover) and both were apparently just fine with that, so what motive is there? The only thing I can think of is that Jule is one of those types that want women to need him and didn't like the concept of Dottie managing just fine without him. That's not a particularly great theory, but it's the best I can come up with. And, as others have noted, Jule just seemed ambivalent of what happened to Dottie after their separation, and while his lackadaiscal attitude makes him seem guilty because he doesn't have concern for her, on the flip side of the coin, I don't think he wished bad on her: he just didn't care.

My guess is that they had some kind of confrontation. Perhaps, just perhaps :), Dottie said she was leaving him and he snarked back at her, and then an argument ensued. It isn't a huge leap of faith to think that a controlling, pompous d-bag like Jule could snap and probably kill her. Just a thought.

I do agree, Wiseguy, that he probably had no motive to make a grand-scheme kidnapping/murder case. I fully believe that he did the deed, and my best guess is that it was probably more spontaneous and then he staged the disappearance after the fact.

Keep in mind that Dottie had a problem of leaving her home. It was so bad that she could no longer keep a job. She was slowly making progress & feeling comfortable with the women's group. That alone I do not see Dottie just up & leaving going to a strange city where she does not know anyone.

Also didn't it say in the UM segment that she never went anywhere without her purse & she felt secure going places as long as she had her purse? I could be wrong on this but I thought there was something she always made sure she had with her if she went somewhere.

Her driver's license and her medical card were among the items found in the purse that was left behind in her car.

I just can't help but think "foul play".

I've never gone anywhere without my driver's license (ID) and medical insurance card. Not even across town to visit my in-laws for the day.

My former boss kept all of that info in her purse, which she would leave at work during the workday. If she ran an errand, she had a necklace type thing that held her cash, credit card, and driver's license. She would leave the purse and take that with her on a quick trip out for lunch or to the office supply store.

So people have different habits concerning ID, cash, credit cards, and insurance cards, but I don't think they leave them behind on purpose for a very long period of time.

I'd like to see this one again. I know that Dottie had $5000 (in a check?) that she never collected. If she had collected that money, then I could venture a guess that she didn't need her ID, etc, in the old purse because she was starting life under a new identity, totally separated from Jule. But she even left all that money behind.

It's gotta be foul play.

Jule caylor was an entomologist (he studied insects, worms, and other small animals) for the National Park Service. He had access to areas of National parks that the general public would never see. All Jule had to do was kill Dottie, put her body in his vehicle (it would be easy to hide a body amidst work tools for a short period of time, especially if he had a work vehicle which would have been a 4WD SUV -type to allow navigation across rugged terrain and drive her to one of these locations). It would also be very easy for him to explain why he would be in a remote location of a park (for work). With his job, he would have little overhead or direct supervision which would again allow him plenty of time to dispose of a body. Jule would not even have to bury Dottie's body. A dead body left in the woods will last about 3 days tops before it is entirely consumed by animals. Jule is a smart man and disposing of Dottie's body in this manner would make it almost impossible to ever recover a body. Also to conduct a search of an entire National Park would be an impossible task. This has always been my theory on Dottie's disappearance.

Jule caylor was an entomologist (he studied insects, worms, and other small animals) for the National Park Service. He had access to areas of National parks that the general public would never see. All Jule had to do was kill Dottie, put her body in his vehicle (it would be easy to hide a body amidst work tools for a short period of time, especially if he had a work vehicle which would have been a 4WD SUV -type to allow navigation across rugged terrain and drive her to one of these locations). It would also be very easy for him to explain why he would be in a remote location of a park (for work). With his job, he would have little overhead or direct supervision which would again allow him plenty of time to dispose of a body. Jule would not even have to bury Dottie's body. A dead body left in the woods will last about 3 days tops before it is entirely consumed by animals. Jule is a smart man and disposing of Dottie's body in this manner would make it almost impossible to ever recover a body. Also to conduct a search of an entire National Park would be an impossible task. This has always been my theory on Dottie's disappearance.

OK.
Good work. ;)
Sounds plausible.

Though he could also just dump her in the bay like everyone else does in San Fran.

Like everyone else?!?!??! :-O

OK.
Good work. ;)
Sounds plausible.

Though he could also just dump her in the bay like everyone else does in San Fran.

I thought of that briefly but I think that would be too conventional for Jule Caylor. He seems to be a different character and would probably deem it as too unsophisticated to dump a body in the bay. Remember, this is the same clown thatfelt compelled enough to write a letter to a Wendy's restaurant describing the proper way to build a salad (he was accused of thrashing a Wedy's salad bar).

Like everyone else?!?!??! :-O

That seems to be what most murders do to bodies in the Bay Area. The bay is the West Coast equivalent to the East River in New York!!:lol:

I thought of that briefly but I think that would be too conventional for Jule Caylor. He seems to be a different character and would probably deem it as too unsophisticated to dump a body in the bay. Remember, this is the same clown thatfelt compelled enough to write a letter to a Wendy's restaurant describing the proper way to build a salad (he was accused of thrashing a Wedy's salad bar).

Good point.

Watched this case today, and decided to Google if Jule Caylor was still alive.

he is! and he's on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/people/Jule-Caylor/1251552645).

Maybe we should have a rule on this forum about not posting facebook pages of people who have appeared on UM. Others might feel differently but regardless of how you feel about these individuals personally they do have a right to privacy and probably shouldn't be subjected to a bunch of UM fans facebooking them about their cases.

I'll put it this way, in my opinion if Jule Caylor or anyone else who has been on the show chooses to come onto these forums and post as others have in the past then they have entered the public forum and are fair game. However if they choose to mantain their privacy, I think it's inappropriate for us to post their facebook or other types of personal websites/blogs online.

Just my opinion.

Well, I thought privacy was not making a Facebook with your own name on it, or making one at all.. He has a private profile, he can make his picture private too, if he wants, but he doesn't.

I agree they have some right to their privacy, I would never post his address or place of work or anything like that, but this is public thing often found on the internet. The whole point of it is so people can find you, so I didn't think it's a big deal.

Maybe we should have a rule on this forum about not posting facebook pages of people who have appeared on UM. Others might feel differently but regardless of how you feel about these individuals personally they do have a right to privacy and probably shouldn't be subjected to a bunch of UM fans facebooking them about their cases.

I'll put it this way, in my opinion if Jule Caylor or anyone else who has been on the show chooses to come onto these forums and post as others have in the past then they have entered the public forum and are fair game. However if they choose to mantain their privacy, I think it's inappropriate for us to post their facebook or other types of personal websites/blogs online.

Just my opinion.

I hear ya. Although I will say one thing. I mentioned in another thread just last week about how I messaged Larry Gibson. Yes, by the way he IS the country singer everyone talks about and he seemingl has a pretty good following where he is now.

Anyways, I asked him if there were any new developments on Tommy. I also asked him how the relationship is with his daughters. He was surprisingly cordial. He responded within 12 hours. He stated he hoped Tommy was still alive and was either arrested or joined the Army so he could be fingerprinted and identified. He also said he now has a good relationship with his daughters since they have grown up despite his wife and him separating.

Bottom line is he didn't have to respond. He doesn't know who I am. I could have been a cop for all he knew. But the beauty of Facebook is that you can let people see what they want and respond/block who you choose. I am not saying anyone should harass Jule Caylor, but if you want to talk to him or anyone else (like I did with Larry) it is possible to have a civil conversation with them about the case even if you might suspect them

Oh ya, by the way, that is Jule Caylor for sure seemingly married again (how do these guys get married again?). 100%. The Internet is a mixed blessing in a way. I mean there is a MySpace page for Angela Hammond I believe created by her sister.

Yeah, and i should put the disclaimer that I am in no way suggesting that anyone should contact or harass him in any way. But truthfully, if someone wanted to, he's the one who made a Facebook page, it's not like he was hard to find. I just thought it was interesting to see a more recent picture and that he's married again.

I mean look how we all looked for information on Jon and Jennifer Bunting when that thing came out? Pictures were posted, etc... it's not like we were doing any of these things out of malice or anything. We are just curious about the people on this show, especially now that so much time has passed.

Unlike most of the people posting on this site I actually knew Jule. We went to school together from the 7th grade thru our Sophomore year of High School. Jule is a very bright person and when I knew him I would describe him as gentle. He was interested in "bugs" even in Jr. High and his nickname was "Grasshopper". I considered Jule a friend but we were never buddies, we both were good students and members of the scholarship society.

I instantly recognized Jule when I saw the episode of UM and I showed my daughter his picture in my year book.

My last contact with Jule was in 2005 when we both attended the 50th year reunion of our high school. He was there with his then significant other, Barbara. The only comment that I heard him make about Dottie/UM was: "That was a most unfortunate circumstance"

I will probably see Jule again in September of this year when we have our 55th reunion. Since I may see him again, I don't think it is appropriate for me to make comments about the other posts on this forum.

I have most of the articles that appeared in the Contra Costa Times. I have started scanning them into a Word Document. If anyone is interested I have the first part complete.

Guilty or not it must be a terrible thing to live with.

Unlike most of the people posting on this site I actually knew Jule. We went to school together from the 7th grade thru our Sophomore year of High School. Jule is a very bright person and when I knew him I would describe him as gentle. He was interested in "bugs" even in Jr. High and his nickname was "Grasshopper". I considered Jule a friend but we were never buddies, we both were good students and members of the scholarship society.

I instantly recognized Jule when I saw the episode of UM and I showed my daughter his picture in my year book.

My last contact with Jule was in 2005 when we both attended the 50th year reunion of our high school. He was there with his then significant other, Barbara. The only comment that I heard him make about Dottie/UM was: "That was a most unfortunate circumstance"

I will probably see Jule again in September of this year when we have our 55th reunion. Since I may see him again, I don't think it is appropriate for me to make comments about the other posts on this forum.

I have most of the articles that appeared in the Contra Costa Times. I have started scanning them into a Word Document. If anyone is interested I have the first part complete.

Guilty or not it must be a terrible thing to live with.


Thanks for posting, sawdust engineer. I think the majority of people on the board are interested to hear from someone who actually knew Jule Caylor, no matter what their feelings on him.

I think Jule Caylor is little more than simply candid and honest. I don't believe he had anything to do with his wife's disappearance, and you're right--it has to be a difficult thing to live with regardless.

Thanks for posting, sawdust engineer. I think the majority of people on the board are interested to hear from someone who actually knew Jule Caylor, no matter what their feelings on him.

I think Jule Caylor is little more than simply candid and honest. I don't believe he had anything to do with his wife's disappearance, and you're right--it has to be a difficult thing to live with regardless.


Jule's extramarital affairs are enough to discredit his character but I really can't come to grips with the idea that he killed Dottie. He is bright enough to have planned and committed such an act without leaving any traces but I can't really see him doing it.

There was a private investigator looking into the case shortly after the Contra Costa Times article. He was working pro-bono, trying to help Dottie's sister get some closure on the case. The PI believed that Jule took Dottie's body to the area where we lived as youths and disposed of it in some manner.

Dottie has been declared dead by a court. There was some contention over the settlement of the estate and I don't know how that was resolved.

In Jr. High Jule was sometimes my protector. I was small and immature for my age and was often picked on by other kids. Jule came to my rescue on several occasions for which I was grateful. I never saw Jule abuse or pick on anyone even though he was bigger and more mature than most of the students. Based on my experiences it is hard to believe that he would hurt/kill his wife but the human mind is not easily understood.

I just watched the case for the first time in awhile and something bothered me. It was mentioned in the segment that when Dottie was missing for the first five days, Jule didn't even bother to call the police. It's true that Dottie was getting more courage to go out in public but she still suffered from some fear of going out. One woud assume that Jule would immediately call the police. To add to that, Dottie's friend seemed more concerned about her well being than Jule did. The more I look into this case, the more I feel as though Jule did something to Dottie.

I just watched the case for the first time in awhile and something bothered me. It was mentioned in the segment that when Dottie was missing for the first five days, Jule didn't even bother to call the police. It's true that Dottie was getting more courage to go out in public but she still suffered from some fear of going out. One woud assume that Jule would immediately call the police. To add to that, Dottie's friend seemed more concerned about her well being than Jule did. The more I look into this case, the more I feel as though Jule did something to Dottie.

His story about seeing his wife's car in the train station parking lot and leaving affectionate notes on the windshield for her to contact him is the part that really doesn't hold up for me. I can believe that even if he had nothing to do with it, Jule would secretly be glad Dotte disappeared and was no longer a problem in his life, but leaving notes like that sounds just so out of character for him.

Here's the part I don't understand: if Jule really is guilty, why would he come up with the story of dropping off Dottie at the train station and finding her car there a few days later? Why not just leave her car there and give off the impression she drove there herself, which sounds much more plausible? I think I read somewhere that he's actually changed his story over the years and now does claim that she drove herself, so he may have realized that his original cover story wasn't the brightest.

I'm also curious if he ever provided a story for where exactly Dottie was supposed to be going on her train trip. It doesn't seem plausible that he would give a ride to an agoraphobic woman who barely ever left the house without asking the purpose of her trip. Maybe UM just left that information out.

Jule's story was that she was going to visit a friend in another part of California. The thing with this segment is that I feel probably sticks out to everyone watching is is how Jule Caylor really didn't do himself any favors by his demeanor on the program. It may have been "hell living with Dottie" but being that he was already considered a "person of interest" in her disappearance well some of his comments could be construed as a bit cold.

However beyond his demeanor on UM, there really is no evidence to directly tie Jule Caylor to Dottie's disappearance. I mean if we take Jule at his word and he did drop Dottie off at the train station a number of things could have happened to her especially given her issues with agoraphobia. The one scenario however, that has gotten less and less likely as the years have gone by is the one that proclaims that Dottie ran off to escape an unhappy marriage.

The Charley Project has a nice summation of the events of this case going beyond information presented in the UM segment. If you haven't read it, it's an interesting read:

http://www.charleyproject.org/cases/c/caylor_dorothy.html

I wonder who was this friend that Dottie was supposed to be visiting, how long was she expected to be gone, etc...

Regarding the notes Jule left on her car while it was parked at the train station, I think they started out as affectionate or showing concern, but they ended negatively and he even mentioned that it was her idea for him to date other women. How weird is that? Who writes any kind of note to leave on their spouse's car that discusses the problems with their sex life? In this case, shouldn't the notes just say something like, "I moved your car so it wouldn't get ticketed. Let me know when you get back." Why ramble on about dating other women?

I'm confused about the details of Jule's last day at work. Was this the day Dottie went missing? When was Jule leaving for Utah? Dottie had already packed up a lot of Jule's stuff and put it into storage. Was that because of a fight or because she expected him to be moving out very soon?

Okie dokie... I actually read that charley project page recently and missed some stuff:

Jule proposed marriage to a co-worker 6 months before Dottie went missing that they bought a set of wedding rings. :eek:

Dottie left on 6/12/85 for her trip. Jule worked in the city on 6/13/1985 and found Dottie's car at the BART station. He moved it and saw it there again in 6/14/1985. She was not due to return from her trip until 6/24/1985, but a neighbor convinced Jule to file a missing person's report on 6/17/1985.

I think that part is definitely weird. Wouldn't someone be able to contact the "friend" to see if Dottie was there or not? And why report a vacationing person as missing just because a neighbor tells you to? Jule expected Dottie to return on 6/24/1985. He moved to Utah less than two weeks after reporting her missing.

In my previous post, it seems I got goofed up on the notes. According to charlie project, Jule did not leave multiple notes on Dottie's car. There was just one.

Dottie left on 6/12/85 for her trip. Jule worked in the city on 6/13/1985 and found Dottie's car at the BART station. He moved it and saw it there again in 6/14/1985. She was not due to return from her trip until 6/24/1985, but a neighbor convinced Jule to file a missing person's report on 6/17/1985.

I think that part is definitely weird. Wouldn't someone be able to contact the "friend" to see if Dottie was there or not? And why report a vacationing person as missing just because a neighbor tells you to? Jule expected Dottie to return on 6/24/1985. He moved to Utah less than two weeks after reporting her missing.

I don't buy the idea that Dottie was supposed to return on June 24 since the UM segment and the Charley Project page specifically state she was carrying an overnight bag into the train station, which implied that she was supposed to be taking a short trip. I think Jule probably just made up the June 24 return date and used it as an excuse to justify him not going to the police.

The fact that no one ever tried to contact Dottie's "friend" is suspicious and makes one believe she never took the trip in the first place, but considering his demeanor on UM, I do give Jule the benefit of the doubt that he simply did not care about what his wife did anymore and didn't bother to find out any info about who she was planning to go see.

Jule's story was that she was going to visit a friend in another part of California. The thing with this segment is that I feel probably sticks out to everyone watching is is how Jule Caylor really didn't do himself any favors by his demeanor on the program. It may have been "hell living with Dottie" but being that he was already considered a "person of interest" in her disappearance well some of his comments could be construed as a bit cold.

However beyond his demeanor on UM, there really is no evidence to directly tie Jule Caylor to Dottie's disappearance. I mean if we take Jule at his word and he did drop Dottie off at the train station a number of things could have happened to her especially given her issues with agoraphobia. The one scenario however, that has gotten less and less likely as the years have gone by is the one that proclaims that Dottie ran off to escape an unhappy marriage.

Priceless avatar, BTW :lol: . Looking at his face makes me wonder how DID this guy find so many other women to cheat with or get married to?!

I always been close to 50/50 when it comes to Jule Caylor. Unlike many of the other "missing wife/guilty-looking husband" cases on UM, it is still plausible that Dottie could have left on her own or met foul play elsewhere. The notion that women like Charlotte Pollis, Christi Nichols or Wendy Camp would just abandon their children and family members to run off is absurd, but it's not beyond the realm of possibility for Dottie. As a reclusive agoraphobic, she really wouldn't have been leaving that much behind and even though she had a sister, there's no way of knowing how close they really were. However, her unclaimed money and cashier's check do make that scenario unlikely.

Jule is definitely one weird character though. If he really is innocent, I'd say that makes him an even weirder person to act that way on national TV and cast all the suspicion on yourself.

Wouldn't someone be able to contact the "friend" to see if Dottie was there or not? And why report a vacationing person as missing just because a neighbor tells you to? Jule expected Dottie to return on 6/24/1985. He moved to Utah less than two weeks after reporting her missing.

I agree, and the note he left on the car rather is at odds with his lack of inquiries to see if she arrived at her friends home, or to the police immediately when it was obvious that she hadn't contacted anyone. Maybe Jule simply wanted out of the marriage, but a good way to do that is to know where your wife is so you can file and get it done. Dottie apparently didn't take any significant funds or her ID -- why wouldn't she take that $5,000 that she had hid from Jule, if she was planning to secretly leave him?

Apparently there hasn't been any hits on her SS number since her disappearance. Someone who chose to flee and change their identity could still contact family members and even police without their new identity being made public. It's hard to believe that a woman with that severity of agoraphobia would suddenly be able to go off on her own without some kind of behind the scenes assistance. Even if that were the case, why, after so many years, would she feel the need to keep hiding from everyone, including her sister?

Here's the part I don't understand: if Jule really is guilty, why would he come up with the story of dropping off Dottie at the train station and finding her car there a few days later? Why not just leave her car there and give off the impression she drove there herself, which sounds much more plausible?

My guess is that he was worried about being spotted at the station, either dropping off the car or moving it. If he has changed the basic circumstances of Dottie's disappearance, it greatly undermines any credibility that this guy ever had, regardless of his demeanor on UM.