I say that it's a continuation since the Main Character, is still on the show in the same house. It's just that the title of the show was changed and the situation was a little diferent. I still say Continuation kind of like Three's a Crowd


What do you think?

Yes it's a Spinoff of All in the Family, the show had a different cast, theme song, it didn't seem like a family style show. If it's wasn't a spinoff then they would have left the show as "All in the Family," and they wouldn't have changed it.

No comment. :lol:

No comment. :lol:


I guess you will vote "NOT SURE"-lol

I say it is a spinoff.

I say it is a spinoff.


Brian, I think you're my soul brother :lol: We see eye to eye.

Brian, I think you're my soul brother :lol: We see eye to eye.


Right on sister! ;)

I say it's a continuation and most every source I've ever read has said the same thing. Here are some links that may or may not prove anything but at least they side with Solomon and myself. :)

http://archiebunkersplace.netfirms.com/

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Archie_Bunker's_Place

http://www.tv.com/archie-bunker-s-place/show/728/summary.html

To be fair, There's at least one person on IMDb that agrees with the rest of you.:)

http://imdb.com/title/tt0078562/plotsummary

I say it's a continuation and most every source I've ever read has said the same thing. Here are some links that may or may not prove anything but at least they side with Solomon and myself. :)

http://archiebunkersplace.netfirms.com/

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Archie_Bunker's_Place

http://www.tv.com/archie-bunker-s-place/show/728/summary.html

To be fair, There's at least one person on IMDb that agrees with the rest of you.:)

http://imdb.com/title/tt0078562/plotsummary



Thank You-lol

That IMDB link says in the first sentence IT IS A SPIN-OFF. Why would that link help support a show as being a CONTINUATION?

That IMDB link says in the first sentence IT IS A SPIN-OFF. Why would that link help support a show as being a CONTINUATION?

I didn't say it did, I said there's at least one person on IMDb that agrees with the others. :)

Thank You-lol


Solomon, please don't tell me you agree with those internet articles, because when it came time to have the Good Times debate, you debunked them.

Solomon, please don't tell me you agree with those internet articles, because when it came time to have the Good Times debate, you debunked them.


The Thank you was toward the poster for seeing that it's a continuation

it is a spinoff.
answer this: if it was a contiutation then why dose tv land not show the other 4 seasons?
i see another is Good times a spinoff of maude thing starting up again.

The Thank you was toward the poster for seeing that it's a continuation


Where's Janice to dig up another Norman Lear interview?!? :lol:

it is a spinoff.
answer this: if it was a contiutation then why dose tv land not show the other 4 seasons?
i see another is Good times a spinoff of maude thing starting up again.


I have no interest in debating anything with you because I'm on a different level

Where's Janice to dig up another Norman Lear interview?!? :lol:
I am sure she is doing that right now! :lol:

I am sure she is doing that right now! :lol:


I have already contacted Janice and she will not get involved in this debate

I think Archie Bunkers Place is a continuation. I've never seen the show before, but I know all the main characters from the last season of AITF stayed on the show when it became ABP, so IMO it's a continuation.

And I have the Complete Directory to Prime Time Network TV Shows book and theres a section that lists all the spinoffs and Archie Bunker's Place isn't listed. In fact, they even mention All in the Family in the spinoff section "The all-time spinoff champion is All in the Family, which has spawned no fewer than 5 other series, three of them highly successful and two of them spin-offs from spin-offs (Gloria, Maude, The Jeffersons, Good Times, and Checking In)" They don't say anything about ABP.

I have already contacted Janice and she will not get involved in this debate
OMG :rofl: You crack me up.

I have already contacted Janice and she will not get involved in this debate


CHEATER!!!

Does Janice know abt this? :lol:

Here's an excerpt from a 1981 Norman Lear interview conducted by Bill Moyers in which Mr. Lear refers to Archie Bunker's Place as an extension.

NL: I was pleased to see it conclude, because we had all exercised our abilities those nine or ten years - and Carroll wanted to do something different with the extension, called "Archie Bunker's Place." But had we all wished to continue, we could have gone another ten years...

The entire interview can be found here:

http://www.normanlear.com/backstory_interviews_6.html

Here's an excerpt from a 1981 Norman Lear interview conducted by Bill Moyers in which Mr. Lear refers to Archie Bunker's Place as an extension.

NL: I was pleased to see it conclude, because we had all exercised our abilities those nine or ten years - and Carroll wanted to do something different with the extension, called "Archie Bunker's Place." But had we all wished to continue, we could have gone another ten years...

The entire interview can be found here:

http://www.normanlear.com/backstory_interviews_6.html



Zoneboy is my NEW BUDDY!!!!!!!!!!!!-LOL

It's a different show, that had 4 seasons. Anyway you put it, it was a spinoff of All in the family. It was a show about the happenings of Archie and his bar.

It's a different show, that had 4 seasons. Anyway you put it, it was a spinoff of All in the family. It was a show about the happenings of Archie and his bar.



You calling Norman Lear a LIAR?-lol-LOL

It's a different show, that had 4 seasons. Anyway you put it, it was a spinoff of All in the family. It was a show about the happenings of Archie and his bar.


Exactly

I think Archie Bunkers Place is a continuation. I've never seen the show before, but I know all the main characters from the last season of AITF stayed on the show when it became ABP, so IMO it's a continuation.

And I have the Complete Directory to Prime Time Network TV Shows book and theres a section that lists all the spinoffs and Archie Bunker's Place isn't listed. In fact, they even mention All in the Family in the spinoff section "The all-time spinoff champion is All in the Family, which has spawned no fewer than 5 other series, three of them highly successful and two of them spin-offs from spin-offs (Gloria, Maude, The Jeffersons, Good Times, and Checking In)" They don't say anything about ABP.

Well Solomon doesn't believe that Good Times was a spinoff.

Exactly


Are you also calling Lear a LIAR??-lol

You calling Norman Lear a LIAR?-lol-LOL

You called him a liar about Good Times. So what's the difference

I have the Complete Directory to Prime Time Network TV Shows book and theres a section that lists all the spinoffs and Archie Bunker's Place isn't listed. In fact, they even mention All in the Family in the spinoff section "The all-time spinoff champion is All in the Family, which has spawned no fewer than 5 other series, three of them highly successful and two of them spin-offs from spin-offs (Gloria, Maude, The Jeffersons, Good Times, and Checking In)" They don't say anything about ABP.

Correct! I have that same book and nowhere does it mention anything about ABP being a spinoff.

it is a spinoff

Correct! I have that same book and nowhere does it mention anything about ABP being a spinoff.
Solomon said he doesn't go by that book. Am I correct Solomon?

Solomon said he doesn't go by that book. Am I correct Solomon?

I'm not concerned about whether or not he goes by that book, Just making a point is all.

it is a spinoff

If Archie Bunker's Place is a spinoff then so are Mayberry RFD and Three's A Crowd and they weren't, It isn't and Norman Lear's word is good enough for me.

Solomon said he doesn't go by that book. Am I correct Solomon?

And he doesn't go by what Norman Lear says either. :lol: Thursday afternoon I'm going to listen to Norman interview that Janice provided and I'm going to see if ABP is talked about.

I'm not concerned about whether or not he goes by that book, Just making a point is all.
Well, if you know the debates we have here abt this very topic, you will know that Solomon has stated which sources he goes by and which ones he doesn't. I have not given my opinion one way or the other on this debate, but I am merely pointing out that I believe that book is on Solomon's list of sources he doesn't go by or believe.

That book states Good Times is a spin-off and Solomon says GT's is NOT a spin-off. I don't think it is either, but only because of one source, the man who wrote GTs script.

Well, if you know the debates we have here abt this very topic, you will know that Solomon has stated which sources he goes by and which ones he doesn't. I have not given my opinion one way or the other on this debate, but I am merely pointing out that I believe that book is on Solomon's list of sources he doesn't go by or believe.

Sorry, If he has stated which sources he doesn't go by then I obviously missed that thread but thanks for letting me know just the same. :)

Sorry, If he has stated which sources he doesn't go by then I obviously missed that thread but thanks for letting me know just the same. :)
No problem. I was just wanting to make it clear. Solomon stated he doesn't go by that book because he doesn't believe it. So, it wouldn't make sense for him to go by it now, simply because it suits him on one point.

It may be considered a Spin-Off, that's why it's not syndicated with All in the Family, but in my mind it's definately a Continuation.

Here's how I see it. After eight seasons, Mike and Gloria left "All in the Family." The following season, they brought in Stephanie. The next season, the title was changed to "Archie Bunker's Place" but it still had Edith and Stephanie and the house setting and the bar setting, which was called Archie Bunker's Place in the previous season, I believe. So it was just a title change. They paid more attention to the bar, obviously, but it was still the same show. I mean it definately changed from the original format, so they changed the title, but I don't see it as a whole seperate series. It's just "The Later Years" to All in the Family.

And I also consider Mayberry R.F.D. to be a Continuation of Andy Griffith. Because I believe that if the show was originally titled "The Mayberry Show" back in 1960, when Griffith left in 1968, it would have continued as "The Mayberry Show" and been syndicated with the other eight seasons. It's just because the title had Griffith's name in it that they had to change the name of the show and get a new leading actor.

Three's a Crowd could go either way. It was a continuation because it followed the star of Three's Company, Jack Tripper after the girls moved on and he moved in with his girlfriend.

Oh and that Complete Directory book doesn't list it as a spin-off because in the section about "All in the Family" it combines both shows as one. It says the show started in 1971 and ended in 1983, listing all the cast changes and mentioning the name change, but considering it to be the same show. And I agree with it.

A TV Guide book I have lists it as two different shows, but describes it this way:

Under "All in the Family" it says, "The series premiered on CBS on Jan. 12, 1971, changed it's title to 'Archie Bunker's Place' in 1979 and ran on the network until 1983.

Under "Archie Bunker's Place" it says, "'All in the Family' evolved into this series in 1979, with Archie now a widower and the proprietor of his own neighborhood bar."

No problem. I was just wanting to make it clear. Solomon stated he doesn't go by that book because he doesn't believe it. So, it wouldn't make sense for him to go by it now, simply because it suits him on one point.

Does anyone know why Solomon doesn't go by that book? I used to supply radio stations around here with trivia and that was among my sources, I never had any reason to doubt it.

Does anyone know why Solomon doesn't go by that book? I used to supply radio stations around here with trivia and that was among my sources, I never had any reason to doubt it.


Because it doesn't agree with his beliefs :lol: :lol: he believe in anything that will back up his story at that point in time. Like once he said that wikipedia wasn't reliable, and then all of a sudden when something on that site backs him up, he believes in it again.

ABP was a spinoff! THE END :lol:

Because it doesn't agree with his beliefs :lol: :lol: he believe in anything that will back up his story at that point in time. Like once he said that wikipedia wasn't reliable, and then all of a sudden when something on that site backs him up, he believes in it again.
It's called SELECTIVISION. ;)

It's called SELECTIVISION. ;)


Exactly

Four pages, I have to catch up and read this sucker before I post my opinion. :lol:

Four pages, I have to catch up and read this sucker before I post my opinion. :lol:



Please don't dig up anything

I have always wonder that Question

Correct! I have that same book and nowhere does it mention anything about ABP being a spinoff.
It is a great book but their are some mistakes in it. For example it does state that The Lucy Show ran 12 years. It counts The Lucy Show and Here's Lucy as one series which it clearly is not.

As for ABP I consider it a spin-off mainly because it's syndicated as a different package. Back when the show originally aired though I thought of it as a continuation. I don't remember a lot of hype saying it was a brand new show.

It is a great book but their are some mistakes in it. For example it does state that The Lucy Show ran 12 years. It counts The Lucy Show and Here's Lucy as one series which it clearly is not.

As for ABP I consider it a spin-off mainly because it's syndicated as a different package. Back when the show originally aired though I thought of it as a continuation. I don't remember a lot of hype saying it was a brand new show.


See that's what I never understood, why is it not connected in syndication if it's the same show that carried on after the 1978-79 season. You would think that ABP would start right up in syndication and show Archie being in a different situation

See that's what I never understood, why is it not connected in syndication if it's the same show that carried on after the 1978-79 season. You would think that ABP would start right up in syndication and show Archie being in a different situation
I remember them saying the series was shifting focus to the bar and the name of the show was getting changed but that's about it. Me and my family watched AITF every week and we didn't consider it a different show then. And I always considered TAC and Mayberry R.F.D. as spin-offs. Spin-offs are very tricky sometimes. LOL

See that's what I never understood, why is it not connected in syndication if it's the same show that carried on after the 1978-79 season. You would think that ABP would start right up in syndication and show Archie being in a different situation


Because ABP is a spin-off, it's a whole other show.

Please don't dig up anything
:lol: I won't. I don't feel like reading this thread right now. Has Norman Lear ever stated what it was? I'll apply the same standard to ABP as I did to GT. Whatever he says, goes, in my book.

:lol: I won't. I don't feel like reading this thread right now. Has Norman Lear ever stated what it was? I'll apply the same standard to ABP as I did to GT. Whatever he says, goes, in my book.


Norman Lear called it an extension during a 1981 interview with Bill Moyers, I posted an excerpt from it earlier in the thread.

Norman Lear called it an extension during a 1981 interview with Bill Moyers, I posted an excerpt from it earlier in the thread.
Thank you. Has Lear stated that it's not a spin-off? I'll find your article. Sorry.

Thank you. Has Lear stated that it's not a spin-off? I'll find your article. Sorry.

I haven't found anything in which he has stated that it's not a spin-off but to me, Calling it an extension is just as good as saying that it's not.

I haven't found anything in which he has stated that it's not a spin-off but to me, Calling it an extension is just as good as saying that it's not.
I agree, and I'm sorry to hound you, but do you know if Lear has ever stated that it is a spin-off?

I always considered TAC and Mayberry R.F.D. as spin-offs. Spin-offs are very tricky sometimes. LOL

I can't say much for Three's a Crowd because it's been years since I've seen it but Mayberry R.F.D. is a continuation. The only thing that changed was that Andy and Helen left and Sam Jones who was introduced on The Andy Griffith Show took over as the new lead. Most of the remaining cast of TAGS stayed on for Mayberry R.F.D.

I agree, and I'm sorry to hound you, but do you know if Lear has ever stated that it is a spin-off?

You're not hounding me at all, If Lear has ever called it a spin-off, I'm unaware of it.

See that's what I never understood, why is it not connected in syndication if it's the same show that carried on after the 1978-79 season. You would think that ABP would start right up in syndication and show Archie being in a different situation

Before I had ever seen the show (All in the Family) and I heard it was coming to TV Land, I was excited to see the episode where Edith died. I was so ticked off when after the ninth season, they went back to the beginning. That's when I learned it was syndicated as two different shows (released on DVD as two different shows, also). But in my mind, it's all the same series, just a change in format. And once I get all of the series on DVD, I'll watch it from the beginning, in order for all thirteen seasons, treating it as one show.

Norman Lear called it an extension during a 1981 interview with Bill Moyers, I posted an excerpt from it earlier in the thread.
I think at the time it was considered an extension but today most people consider it a spin-off. I usually consider a show a spin-off if it is syndicated as such. lol

I think at the time it was considered an extension but today most people consider it a spin-off. I usually consider a show a spin-off if it is syndicated as such. lol

I guess you could look at it from that perspective but I go by the original airing of the show not the syndication of it so in that respect it is a continuation.

It is a great book but their are some mistakes in it. For example it does state that The Lucy Show ran 12 years. It counts The Lucy Show and Here's Lucy as one series which it clearly is not.


I have a copy of the Brooks & March book, first edition, and concerning The Lucy Show, it also started the falsehood that The Lucy Show moved to San Francisco instead of Los Angeles w/ season 4. Otherwise, it's been mostly a great compendium of the history of prime time network (and now other) tv shows.

It is a great book but their are some mistakes in it. For example it does state that The Lucy Show ran 12 years. It counts The Lucy Show and Here's Lucy as one series which it clearly is not.

As for ABP I consider it a spin-off mainly because it's syndicated as a different package. Back when the show originally aired though I thought of it as a continuation. I don't remember a lot of hype saying it was a brand new show.
Here is what Sol said abt that book:
Post #135
http://www.sitcomsonline.com/boards/showthread.php?t=173324&page=9&highlight=book

Too many mistakes, therefore, not a book he refers to.

I have a copy of the Brooks & March book, first edition, and concerning The Lucy Show, it also started the falsehood that The Lucy Show moved to San Francisco instead of Los Angeles w/ season 4. Otherwise, it's been mostly a great compendium of the history of prime time network (and now other) tv shows.
I've gotten every edition since it first came out and it is the best book on TV out there but yea their are some errors in it. I wish they would correct some.

Here is what Sol said abt that book:
Post #135
http://www.sitcomsonline.com/boards/showthread.php?t=173324&page=9&highlight=book

Too many mistakes, therefore, not a book he refers to.
lol I guess when you research so many shows, mistakes are going to be made. You'd think some of them would be corrected by the 8th edition though. Still all in all I don't think another book goes into as much details of each show as this one does.

And as far as all the links posted here for this debate, let me refresh what was said abt websites and links:
Post #129

http://www.sitcomsonline.com/boards/showthread.php?t=173324&page=9&highlight=book

I've never heard anyone say that Archie Bunkers Place WAS a spin-off. No web pages, no sources, nothing. Solomon might not go by books and websites when people say that Good Times is a spin-off of Maude, but he actually had a reliable source about Good Times not being a spinoff of Maude, so it's understandable. I'm not saying I agree or disagree with him, that's a different topic for a different time and from what I understand, a worn out topic too. :lol:

Until theres facts which state that ABP WAS a spin-off of All in the Family, I'll always believe ABP is a continuation of AITF.

I didn't even know that there was a term "continuation" for tv shows. What other shows are continuations, and what's the criteria for a show being a continuation as opposed to a spin-off?

Well it's 69% saying It's a Continuation BRIE!-lol

I didn't even know that there was a term "continuation" for tv shows. What other shows are continuations, and what's the criteria for a show being a continuation as opposed to a spin-off?



a Show is a Continuation if the MAIN character is still on the show. Example, Three's a Crowd with Jack Tripper and Archie Bunker Place with Archie Bunker Place. I guess AfterMash too

I still haven't voted. I am still "researching". :lol:

Continuation, the last season of All in the Family is about Archie and his bar, what is the difference? Plus Stephanie was on both shows. She is a completly different character than Meathead and Gloria, but she was already a regular when Bunkers place began. The series was also in the same time slot as All in the Family's last season. Same network, same time, same everything.

I think it's a continuation same character different situation with most episodes taking place at the bar.

I guess AfterMash too

I don't know about that one. To me, a Continuation can have both shows in syndication, airing together as one show. AfterMash, to me, doesn't go that easily together with M*A*S*H as one show.

I believe the main reason they split All in the Family and Archie Bunker's Place in syndication is because there's thirteen seasons. And they figure most people just want to watch the classic Rob Reiner and Sally Struthers seasons, so they figured the tenth season would be the place to cut it off since it had a new title and theme.

And while I'm trying to stay on topic, I'm surprised that What's Happening!! and What's Happening Now!! are considered two different shows in syndication. I've always thought of "Now" as just seasons 4, 5 and 6 but they happened to be made seven years later. If a cartoon does that, it goes with the first run in reruns (The Jetsons, Family Guy, soon Futurama).

Solomon, this doesn't look like it's going to big debate after all.

Definitely a continuation, for all the aforementioned reasons, i.e., same home, carryover of characters and so forth.

Solomon, this doesn't look like it's going to big debate after all.


Briennna is the MAIN one who thinks it's a spinoff-lol

Why is this thread in the SPIN-OFF section? Why isn't there a CONTINUATION section? Hmmmmm....

Why is this thread in the SPIN-OFF section? Why isn't there a CONTINUATION section? Hmmmmm....


I agree, I should have put it in the AITF fourm

Briennna is the MAIN one who thinks it's a spinoff-lol


You're the one who made a big deal out of it, I'm not. I still think that it's a spinoff. Same difference

You're the one who made a big deal out of it, I'm not. I still think that it's a spinoff. Same difference


The Debate is in my favor, look at the numbers-lol

The Debate is in my favor, look at the numbers-lol


What you fail to realize is that I could care less, it still will not change my feelings. I don't need others to validate anything for me. I'll believe what I believe.

Yes, it's a Spinoff of All in the Family, the show had a different cast, theme song, it didn't seem like a family style show. If it's wasn't a spinoff then they would have left the show as "All in the Family," and they wouldn't have changed it.

The theme song was the same as All In The Family, with the difference being that it was done as an instrumental instead of having lyrics sung by Archie and Edith.

The only change to the cast was the addition of Martin Balsam as Murray Klein. The core cast remained the same from the previous season, including recurring and supporting characters.

This show was a continuation, not a spinoff

No such thing as a continuation. It is either a spinoff or it is not. Therefore, it is. The ****ing end

No such thing as a continuation. It is either a spinoff or it is not. Therefore, it is. The ****ing end


65% Yes it's a Continuation, 30% Not a spinoff


LOL

65% Yes it's a Continuation, 30% Not a spinoff


LOL


100% Who gives a ****?

100% Who gives a ****?


You are wrong, deal with it

100% Who gives a ****?
:brent :rofl:

No such thing as a continuation. It is either a spinoff or it is not. Therefore, it is. The ****ing end



5% unsure

You are wrong, deal with it


Ouch! I am truly hurt.

100% Who gives a ****?


I'm going to believe you had a bad day because you know I don't allow anyone to talk to me like that. If you are going to act like thast then why join the ****ing discussion

I'm going to believe you had a bad day because you know I don't allow anyone to talk to me like that. If you are going to act like thast then why join the ****ing discussion

I bow down to you King Solomon

I bow down to you King Solomon


You should NEVER do that. You should bow to no one.

You should NEVER do that. You should bow to no one.


I was being sarcastic.

I was being sarcastic.

:lol:
I know

I was being sarcastic.
We know Brian. :lol: You would never bow TO ANYONE!;) Stick to your guns!

5% unsure

That was me. :lol:

If the character of Archie had been put into a new setting or locale, with new supporting characters, then I would say it's a spinoff.

It's a 100% continuation. The only differences were that Edith eventually was written off and there were more scenes at the bar. But he lived at the same house with Stephanie and had the same friends and barflies surrounding him.

It's a continuation - DEAL WITH IT!!:happyface :lol:

End of discussion!:mad:

I don't remember the name of the website, if someone here does, maybe they could post a link. But it lists shows that are spin-offs and shows that are continuations. They list Archie Bunker's Place as a continuation. Not that that makes it official, I just thought it was worth mentioning in this thread.

"Joey" is a spin-off. It took Joey Tribbianni from "Friends" and set him in a new locale, a new cast and made him the star.

"Rhoda" is a spin-off. It took Rhoda Morgenstern from "The Mary Tyler Moore Show", gave her a new setting, a new cast and made her the star.

"Frasier" is a spin-off. It took Frasier Crane from "Cheers" gave him a new locale, a new cast and made him the star.

"Archie Bunker's Place" is a continuation. It continued over from "All in the Family" with the same cast, just paid more attention to the bar.

"Mayberry, R.F.D." is a continuation. It continued with the town of Mayberry, just losing Andy, Opie and Helen and adding Sam Jones.

"Three's a Crowd" is confusing to me. The producers making it, considered a spin-off, I believe. They ended "Three's Company" when they did, just so they could make the new show. They were copying off of the British version of "Robin's Nest." It's a continuation of Jack's life, but since he's the ONLY character from "Three's Company" to do "Three's a Crowd" it makes me kind of consider it a spin-off. It's just funny the idea of giving the STAR of a show, their own show. They already had their own show, lol.

I don't remember the name of the website, if someone here does, maybe they could post a link. But it lists shows that are spin-offs and shows that are continuations. They list Archie Bunker's Place as a continuation. Not that that makes it official, I just thought it was worth mentioning in this thread.

"Joey" is a spin-off. It took Joey Tribbianni from "Friends" and set him in a new locale, a new cast and made him the star.

"Rhoda" is a spin-off. It took Rhoda Morgenstern from "The Mary Tyler Moore Show", gave her a new setting, a new cast and made her the star.

"Frasier" is a spin-off. It took Frasier Crane from "Cheers" gave him a new locale, a new cast and made him the star.

"Archie Bunker's Place" is a continuation. It continued over from "All in the Family" with the same cast, just paid more attention to the bar.

"Mayberry, R.F.D." is a continuation. It continued with the town of Mayberry, just losing Andy, Opie and Helen and adding Sam Jones.

"Three's a Crowd" is confusing to me. The producers making it, considered a spin-off, I believe. They ended "Three's Company" when they did, just so they could make the new show. They were copying off of the British version of "Robin's Nest." It's a continuation of Jack's life, but since he's the ONLY character from "Three's Company" to do "Three's a Crowd" it makes me kind of consider it a spin-off. It's just funny the idea of giving the STAR of a show, their own show. They already had their own show, lol.


You are talking about Tom Holbrook's crossover/spinoff Site. I usually find it by going to google and putting the Laverne and Shirley and Mork and Mindy Crossover

Consider this: a continuation is simply one type of spin-off and thus Archie Bunker's Place can be considered both a spin-off and a continuation. However, not every spin-off would be a continuation, but every continuation would be a spin-off.

Consider this: a continuation is simply one type of spin-off and thus Archie Bunker's Place can be considered both a spin-off and a continuation. However, not every spin-off would be a continuation, but every continuation would be a spin-off.



If the Main character is involved it's never a spinoff

If the Main character is involved it's never a spinoff


Says who?

If the Main character is involved it's never a spinoff


True, I can't think of any series in which the main character has been spun-off onto another show.

If the Main character is involved it's never a spinoff

Why not?

Says who?


How can a show be a spinoff and the MAIN CHARACTER is still involved? I thought it was something everyone knew

True, I can't think of any series in which the main character has been spun-off onto another show.


Here's one...Archie Bunker's Place

How can a show be a spinoff and the MAIN CHARACTER is still involved? I thought it was something everyone knew


Show me the rule where it says that.

Why not?


WHy not? It's the MAIN character living in the same House in the same city so why would that be a spinoff?

Here's one...Archie Bunker's Place

I had a feeling you'd say that. :lol:

How can a show be a spinoff and the MAIN CHARACTER is still involved? I thought it was something everyone knew

How do you explain The Adventures of Ozzie & Harriet and Ozzie's Girls, then? Or Baywatch and Baywatch Nights?

I think I posted this in another thread but in 1986 Too Close For Comfort was transformed into The Ted Knight Show. It was considered a spin-off even though Ted Knight was the star. The daughters were the only ones that left the show. Then Ted Knight died and the show ended. When TCFC went into syndication the TKS episodes were syndicated with it under the TCFC Banner. Now I can see that if ABP had been canceled after one season it could have been syndicated with AITF . It could have even had Archie and Edith still singing the song because nothing had changed in that season except they were at the bar most of the time.

WHy not? It's the MAIN character living in the same House in the same city so why would that be a spinoff?


New setting, new characters...it is a spinoff.

New setting, new characters...it is a spinoff.


What New Setting? Archie still lived in Queens-LOL_LOL_LOL

What New Setting? Archie still lived in Queens-LOL_LOL_LOL


um....the bar...hellllooooooo

How do you explainThe Adventures of Ozzie & Harriet and Ozzie's Girls, then? Or Baywatch and Baywatch Nights?

Ozzie's Girls wasn't a spinoff. It debuted 10 years after The Adventures of Ozzie & Harriet left the air. Ozzie and Harriet once again used their real names but it had nothing to do with The Adventures of Ozzie & Harriet

As for Baywatch and Baywatch Nights: Solomon, I think we're in trouble here. :(

um....the bar...hellllooooooo


THE BAR???-LMAO_LOL


Archie was always in that bar-lol It was nothing NEW

Says who?


Says the world of Solomon :lol: . The same man who said that there wasn't any crossovers between A Different World and The Cosby show.

THE BAR???-LMAO_LOL


Archie was always in that bar-lol It was nothing NEW


It focused more on his bar life than his home life aka a spinoff. LOL LOL LOL LMAO

THE BAR???-LMAO_LOL


Archie was always in that bar-lol It was nothing NEW


On All in the Family the setting was at their house, Not always at the Bar. On ABP the setting was mainly in the bar or about the happenings with the bar.

Says the world of Solomon :lol: . The same man who said that there wasn't any crossovers between A Different World and The Cosby show.


It wasn't and I stand by too

Ozzie's Girls wasn't a spinoff. It debuted 10 years after The Adventures of Ozzie & Harriet left the air. Ozzie and Harriet once again used their real names but it had nothing to do with The Adventures of Ozzie & Harriet

It is my understanding that the characters Ozzie and Harriet Nelson played in Ozzie's Girls were supposed to be the same characters they had played in The Adventures of Ozzie & Harriet. Now that I think about it, though, if they were playing the same characters that would make Ozzie's Girls a continuation of The Adventures of Ozzie & Harriet, with Ozzie and Harriet taking in two coeds after their sons leave home. Hrm.

It wasn't and I stand by too


How can one man know so much yet know so little?

On All in the Family the setting was at their house, Not always at the Bar. On ABP the setting was mainly in the bar or about the happenings with the bar.


exactly!

On All in the Family the setting was at their house, Not always at the Bar. On ABP the setting was mainly in the bar or about the happenings with the bar.




That's bull and I'm going to tell you why, because Jack Bistro was seen all during three's company and after the girls moved out. So come at me with more STRONG

That's bull and I'm going to tell you why, because Jack Bistro was seen all during three's company and after the girls moved out. So come at me with more STRONG


Please don't tell me you think Three's A Crowd is a continuation??? LOL

It is my understanding that the characters Ozzie and Harriet Nelson played in Ozzie's Girls were supposed to be the same characters they had played in The Adventures of Ozzie & Harriet. Now that I think about it, though, if they were playing the same characters that would make Ozzie's Girls a continuation of The Adventures of Ozzie & Harriet, with Ozzie and Harriet taking in two coeds after their sons leave home. Hrm.

You're right, I did some more research on it and I think continuation might be more appropriate in this case.

Please don't tell me you think Three's A Crowd is a continuation??? LOL


What else is it? Same Main Character, same City, same restarunt, WHAT??????????

Also, if a main character from Series A is transplanted to Series B and according to Solomon, Series B cannot properly be called a spin-off because it focuses on a main character from Series A, how do we explain Friends and Joey? I am sure we can all agree that there was no main character in Friends, meaning all six characters were main characters, and Joey focused on the character of Joey from Friends. So would Joey be a spin-off of Friends or a continuation?

What else is it? Same Main Character, same City, same restarunt, WHAT??????????


LMAO LOL LOL LOL LOL

On All in the Family the setting was at their house, Not always at the Bar. On ABP the setting was mainly in the bar or about the happenings with the bar.
After Edith's death though , beginning in season 2 the house was seen more often. They even got a housekeeper. The entire supporting cast from the last season of AITF was the same except Martin Balsam joined as Archie's new partner.

After Edith's death though , beginning in season 2 the house was seen more often. They even got a housekeeper. The entire supporting cast from the last season of AITF was the same except Martin Balsam joined as Archie's new partner.

I never said that the entire show was set in the bar

I never said that the entire show was set in the bar


But you were trying to act like the HOUSE wasn't seen at ALL

But you were trying to act like the HOUSE wasn't seen at ALL

Did I say that? No, I said MAINLY, I didn't say IT WASN'T SEEN. Get it right.

Did I say that? No, I said MAINLY, I didn't say IT WASN'T SEEN. Get it right.


We will continue this debate face to face the next time you make a business trip to Philly at a fancy restarunt-lol

To me, a continuation is if it continues from the season before it. "All in the Family" evolved into "Archie Bunker's Place." They are the same show, but the focus changed. "The Andy Griffith Show" evolved into "Mayberry R.F.D." They are the same show, but without Andy Griffith. It continued the lives of the citizens of Mayberry, even having Andy Taylor show up for a few early episodes.

There's obviously a very fine line between calling it a Continuation or a Spin-Off. In the case of All in the Family, I wouldn't feel like having the complete series on DVD unless I had all 13 seasons (AITF/ABP). The same goes for The Andy Griffith Show. I don't feel like it's complete without "Mayberry R.F.D." And to an extent, mostly because the finale of "Three's Company" made a big deal about the new season, I don't feel my TC collection is complete without "Three's a Crowd." Yet, I feel like I have the complete "Friends" collection without having "Joey" on DVD. To me, it's that. Whether I feel a show is complete without it's "Spin-Off" or "Continuation" series. And in the end, it doesn't matter what we call it. But I admit, this debate is fun.

Also, what about "Saved by the Bell" and "Saved by the Bell: The College Years". Spin-Off or Continuation? And what about "The New Class"? It's the very next season after Zack and the gang graduate. It follows Bayside high and Mr. Belding, so is it a spin-off or continuation?

To me, a continuation is if it continues from the season before it. "All in the Family" evolved into "Archie Bunker's Place." They are the same show, but the focus changed. "The Andy Griffith Show" evolved into "Mayberry R.F.D." They are the same show, but without Andy Griffith. It continued the lives of the citizens of Mayberry, even having Andy Taylor show up for a few early episodes.

There's obviously a very fine line between calling it a Continuation or a Spin-Off. In the case of All in the Family, I wouldn't feel like having the complete series on DVD unless I had all 13 seasons (AITF/ABP). The same goes for The Andy Griffith Show. I don't feel like it's complete without "Mayberry R.F.D." And to an extent, mostly because the finale of "Three's Company" made a big deal about the new season, I don't feel my TC collection is complete without "Three's a Crowd." Yet, I feel like I have the complete "Friends" collection without having "Joey" on DVD. To me, it's that. Whether I feel a show is complete without it's "Spin-Off" or "Continuation" series. And in the end, it doesn't matter what we call it. But I admit, this debate is fun.

Also, what about "Saved by the Bell" and "Saved by the Bell: The College Years". Spin-Off or Continuation? And what about "The New Class"? It's the very next season after Zack and the gang graduate. It follows Bayside high and Mr. Belding, so is it a spin-off or continuation?

Archie Bunkers Place 1st season is already on DVD.

We will continue this debate face to face the next time you make a business trip to Philly at a fancy restarunt-lol


I HIGHLY doubt that, this whole thread got on my nerves the first day.

To me, a continuation is if it continues from the season before it. "All in the Family" evolved into "Archie Bunker's Place." They are the same show, but the focus changed. "The Andy Griffith Show" evolved into "Mayberry R.F.D." They are the same show, but without Andy Griffith. It continued the lives of the citizens of Mayberry, even having Andy Taylor show up for a few early episodes.

There's obviously a very fine line between calling it a Continuation or a Spin-Off. In the case of All in the Family, I wouldn't feel like having the complete series on DVD unless I had all 13 seasons (AITF/ABP). The same goes for The Andy Griffith Show. I don't feel like it's complete without "Mayberry R.F.D." And to an extent, mostly because the finale of "Three's Company" made a big deal about the new season, I don't feel my TC collection is complete without "Three's a Crowd." Yet, I feel like I have the complete "Friends" collection without having "Joey" on DVD. To me, it's that. Whether I feel a show is complete without it's "Spin-Off" or "Continuation" series. And in the end, it doesn't matter what we call it. But I admit, this debate is fun.

Also, what about "Saved by the Bell" and "Saved by the Bell: The College Years". Spin-Off or Continuation? And what about "The New Class"? It's the very next season after Zack and the gang graduate. It follows Bayside high and Mr. Belding, so is it a spin-off or continuation?

Nice Post!

One series I count as a spinoff and not a continuation is the New Leave it to Beaver. It has the same characters, but follows a movie and was made 20 years after the series ended. Archies Bunkers Place was made after a summer hiatus. Just a new season of the show.

Another one because of time is Get Smart 95. It was made 25 years after the series ended. Again same charcters (Max and 99) but there was a huge break between the series.