............does anyone think they are the same person ?

UM did an entire segment on this, as you probably know. Some things are certain:

Based on the composites of Zodiac, Ted K. and the Zodiac were both around the same age. Both of them were in the same town in California at the time when the murders happened (I think Ted was there because he was teaching at Berkeley). The Zodiac used ciphers in his letters and Ted K was known to be a brilliant mathematician (I think he had a PhD from Harvard and was highly regarded by his colleagues. I think he even had a specialty in cryptology, which is very interesting). Also, one of the undecoded ciphers is now known to have contained the exact number of letters in Ted's name. However, this is much like the "Bible code", with enough digging, anyone can make mathematical connections with anything. I think it was Michael Shermer of Skeptic magazine who proved that he can code any novel or book to make cryptic predictions. So I don't put much stock into the cipher coincidence.

As for the facts against it: Ted has never admitted to it, and this hurts the notion because he has nothing to lose by admitting it now. The methods of murder were different. Also, I am sure that a handwriting and grammar analyst can probably show many differences in Ted's writings and the Zodiac's (Ted did write a book). Ted also seemed motivated by political reasons -- he killed only his colleagues, mostly professors, who he disagreed with, and in some cases, had a personal history with. The Zodiac seemed fixated on killing young lovers randomly in parks.

Much is made of the fact that the murder styles were different, and this is the main fact the skeptics use. However, I say once a psycho always a psycho. The skeptics like to say that the Zodiac was an "up close" killer and Ted was a "shy" killer. However, I disagree. Wearing a mask or hood and killing someone with a GUN, is not that up close. For example, it isn't like Bundy or Ramirez, where they often raped and killed their victims slowly. Using a gun is not that "courageous" or daring.

I think the coincidences are intriguing, but the liklihood is not that great. What are the chances? Sheer probability is against the idea.

After Ted K. was convicted, his psychological study was published online by the shrinks who examined him after his capture. I read it all, and it was very interesting. He had a fetish for wanting a sex change. The guy was definitely troubled and it would not surprise me if he was the Zodiac.

Now I have a question for anyone who cares to answer. The only witness who got a close look at the Zodiac, the cop in the car, claimed that he saw the Zodiac walk up into the yard and towards the house of a very prominent person. He said he cannot release this guy's name for fear of a lawsuit. This guy has denied being the Zodiac, but I was wondering if anyone knew who this guy was? It sounds interesting.

Now I have a question for anyone who cares to answer. The only witness who got a close look at the Zodiac, the cop in the car, claimed that he saw the Zodiac walk up into the yard and towards the house of a very prominent person. He said he cannot release this guy's name for fear of a lawsuit. This guy has denied being the Zodiac, but I was wondering if anyone knew who this guy was? It sounds interesting.

I've seen the name on the web before but it was removed from the source and I can't remember it. The guy is very prominent in San Francisco, now in his 80s, and has threatened lawsuits if he's listed as a Zodiac suspect. He's now typically listed as Mr. X.

Actually I don't think it was the cop who initiated that guy as a Zodiac suspect. A Zodiac researcher named Mike Rodelli had a very interesting theory, that since Zodiac liked to communicate with the press he might have sent a letter to the editor under his own name. He was on the East Coast but someone who believed in that theory pursued Rodelli's idea and came up with one letter to the editor with similarities to Zodiac's style and themes. It was written by the prominent San Franciscan.

Rodelli pursued the angle and came up with many other aspects that he believed tied the guy to Zodiac. He still hasn't given up. If you do a Google search for Mike Rodelli you'll find his website and many of the theories. He eventually went to authorities and believe it or not that eventually led to a face-to-face meeting with his suspect. He thinks the guy killed cabbie Paul Stine, went back to his home, changed quickly then went back outside under the ruse of walking his dog. Very interesting but it seems like a stretch to me. The timeline doesn't appear to allow it. But the prominent businessman was supposedly identified by a police officer as the man walking his dog that night. He claims he doesn't remember that night and may have been out of the country.

Thanks for the clarification, Awsi. I knew I may have had the details a bit wrong, but I remember seeing this issue discussed on one of the Zodiac specials I saw on TV once.

Didn't a cop see a man who he thinks was the Zodiac? It seems like he stopped the man right after the shooting and the man said "He went that way." The cop now thinks the guy was purposely misleading him. It seems they have never had any luck in finding this witness, so it has led them to think it was definitely the Zodiac himself. Am I on track here? Is this the same person who was walking the dog? I need to do some more research on this, I have forgotten a lot.

Later.

You've got it right, Thiussat. Cops arrived within minutes and it's believed a patrol car came upon Zodiac. He walked away slowly and couldn't have gotten far. There's dispute whether they talked to him, or merely looked at him and dismissed him because the initial suspect description somehow was wrong and indicated a black assailant.

There was a segment on ABC PrimeTime Live in maybe 2002 that found the cop and he went back to the site where he believes he encountered Zodiac. I've got to split so I don't have time to look up the officer's name, but I think it was something like Paul Foulke. You could go to Zodiackiller.com for the specifics, especially the old archived message board, the first of the three. The second officer in that car died very young, within months of the Zodiac incident, but I've never learned the details of his death.

Ok, I don't want to start a whole new thread on the Zodiac, but I am going to change the subject here a little, but keep it on him.

I assume many of you have read his letters. I just got finished reading a few on zodiackiller.com and I find it curious. What I mean is that he obviously is a fairly intelligent individual, but he did misspell quite a few words in one letter I saw. He also made other grammatical mistakes, like leaving out apostrophes and commas.

Was this done on purpose? Was he simply in a hurry? Was he simply mathematically inclined, yet not grammatically inclined? Interesting.

Allen misspelled words the same way as Zodiac

Does anyone here know the real name of Mr. X? The guy Mike Rodelli thinks is guilty? Rodelli refuses to release his name publicly, but it seems hard for anyone to take him seriously unless they know WHO in the world he is talking about.

I came across one website that revealed his name, but after further research, I think this website has it wrong. I don't think the guy they listed is Rodelli's Mr. X.

If anyone knows, please send it to me privately (if you don't want to post it here).

Thanks

I saw the name several years ago on the web when that zodiackiller.com message board first became well known. The name you probably found is definitely wrong. About a week ago when I read Rodelli's new stuff I tried to find the name and the one listed on some websites, normally in the comment section, is not the name I saw years ago.

Mike Rodelli posts on the zodiackiller.com message board. His user name is fairly obvious, mike r, or something like that. I doubt he would give the name to someone he doesn't know, but it might be worth a shot if you convinced him you merely wanted it for your own curiosity.

Can't answer your question, but I recently finished a great book titled "The Cases That Haunt Us" by John Douglas and Mark Olshaker, two retired FBI profilers. It has a chapter devoted to creating a psychological profile of the Zodiac and is a VERY interesting read. Dare I say there is NO WAY Zodiac and the Unabomber were one in the same.

I just find it odd that Rodelli wont release the name. Like someone on the Zodiac message board told him, "If you were to post a benign article or a wesbite with Mr. X's name in it, no one could prove you were implicating Mr. X."

There are many ways he could release the name without "releasing it."

He claims he is worried about lawsuits, but what about the other 500 people that researchers have implicated? I don't see them suing.

I wonder if Darlene Ferrin would've had some important info. Poor girl :( If Mike Mageau wasn't such a sissy (he screamed out after the first round of bullets so Zodiac came back to shoot them some more) she may have lived.

After Ted K. was convicted, his psychological study was published online by the shrinks who examined him after his capture. I read it all, and it was very interesting. He had a fetish for wanting a sex change. The guy was definitely troubled and it would not surprise me if he was the Zodiac.

Whaaaaat? Knowing that the Unabomber made BIG news over here in Montana, I'm stunned that I never heard that little tidbit of information. Very interesting.

While I don't think that the Unabomber and Zodiac are one and the same, I DO think the correlations are interesting. I never looked at it from the "Bible Code" perspective that Thiussat pointed out, and that was actually my main argument for debunking the "Bible Code" in my own mind. I'm surprised that I didn't think to apply this logic to the Unabomber/Zodiac connection earlier...

I still DO think it's interesting that the Zodiac named "Deer Lodge, Montana." I've mentioned this before, but have any of you ever BEEN to Deer Lodge? There's nothing there.... except the prison. And a historical ranch. Granted, it's not exactly a secret, but it's not the most conspicious town in Montana, either.

I am not convinced that Zodiac and Ted K. are one in the same. I read an article earlier on one of the Zodiac sites discussing how there is a lot of misinformation and fallacies about this case floating around. One of the fallacies listed was the fact that the Zodiac told his victims he was from Deer Lodge, MT. This author actually quoted the police report, that was done after the witness interview, and the witness "wasn't sure" if it was Montana or Colorado. Deer Lodge also seems to have been planted in the brain of the witness by the cop who interviewed him.

As for Ted K and the sex change, yes I have read this in several locations. I remember when he was first arrested, and the psycholgical report was released to the public. It is very thorough -- it talks about his problems in college of alienation, how he had fantasies of being a woman, how he had an extremely hard time meeting a girlfriend etc.. It also gave specifics of the psycholgical tests they administered him. His IQ was 136 on the Weschler scale. This is lower than I expected, but considering he had just been arrested, it is no surprise he performed lower than expected. 136 on the Weschler is still above the top 1%. They also administered a battery of personality tests etc... Then they wrote a conclusion of his psychological state and how it tied into the murders. It was some good stuff.

I think Gareth Penn is onto something with his "radian theory." I am amazed that the police totally ignored one of Zodiac's comments in one of his letters when he said that radians were important. However, I do not buy Penn's suspect. I have yet to see any proof he has given that shows that Michael O'Hare's name can be divulged from any of the cryptograms or binary/morse code interpretations of the letters.

Hi everyone:

Im sort of a Zodiac freak so maybe I can help a little.

There is actually only one person who definitely saw Zodiac and lived. His name is Mike Mageau and in 1992 he identified Arthur Leigh Allen from a photo line up as the man who shot him.

The two cops you mentioned who spoke to a suspect on the night of the Paul Stine murder, may or may not have met the Zodiac. I think they did but no one saw this person at the crime scene and the police unfortunately did not ask the man for ID or search him for weapons.

Bryan Hartnell is another survivor of a Zodiac attack but unlike Mike Mageau, he did not see his face. The Zodiac was wearing an executioners costume which included a hood.

As for the Zodiac/Unabomber connection, in my humble opinion, its not that strong. The Zodiac loved taunting the police and the newspapers with his crimes, the Unabomber on the other hand believed technology was destroying society. The tone of the letters is just not the same. Well I could go on for ever on the Zodiac but I wont bore you.

PS As a big fan of Unsolved Mysteries, I think most members of this board would like the new Zodiac movie. I sure did.

Christopher

I personally have not come to a personal conclusion about whether I think Zodiac was Ted K. or not. There is one thing that has always troubled me though. When they talked about psychological aspects of the case and how they didn't fit Unabomber's MO, they review all of that information from the aspect of a typical case. Now, I know this is how Forensic Psychologists approach cases, BUT Ted K. is an extraordinarily gifted mind. When he earned his PhD, he solved a problem within a year that his professors had been unable to solve. He was one of the most brilliant mathematical minds the world has ever known. To say that his ideas and his psychological profile would fit that of the typical person is drastically underestimating him. Maybe he is the Zodiac, unless he confesses we'll probably never know.

I also really am intrigued by the Mr. X theory which I read about some time ago. I know that Mr. Rodelli cannot release the name for fear of recrimination as he has no evidence.

Yeah, the Zodiac is probably one of the most interesting cases ever (for me). It sounds morbid to be fascinated by a murder case, but the scenario of this case is like no other (except for Jack the Ripper). Zodiac really is the American Jack the Ripper.

The main argument people use against Ted K. being Zodiac is the fact that their MO's are different. The profilers tell us that serial killers never change MO's. This may be true in the vast majority of cases, however, I find a little flaw in their logic. The Zodiac, himself, changed his MO! He did shootings, and he killed by knife. He wore a mask and he didn't wear a mask. He killed young lovers and he killed lone cab drivers. He also wrote in his Halloween letter that he had four methods of killing. He only used two of them, but it is speculated that he stopped killing before he planned on stopping. He was all over the place.

Also, you must take into consideration that Zodiac said in one of his letters that he planned on planting bombs (he claimed he actually did plant one, but it was never found). The bomb link to Ted K. is interesting too.

Zodiac is like no other serial killer I have heard about. I don't think he was a "compulsive" killer who had some weird fantasy he liked to live out (a la Bundy and Gasey). What I mean is that the victims didn't really matter to him. One victim was as good as another, it didn't matter if they were male, female, old or young. He used killing as a way for attention, imo, and his motive was more about playing chess with the police than it was about picking certain victims. I think he had a superiority complex and lived it out via murder. The murder wasn't the goal, it was a means to an end. The end was his fame. I am not saying he wanted to be caught, but I think he would like for his identity to be known, perhaps after his passing (if he is indeed still alive, if he isn't, it is likely we will never know his identity).

I am pretty certain Ted K and Zodiac are not one in the same. First off Ted K would never spell incorrectly certain words and Zodiac did. The descriptions of Zodiac and Ted K in my opinion are not as close as they seem and I just dont get the vibe that Zodiac is Ted K. I have never heard the theory that serial killer's dont change MO's. I have heard serial killers dont stop killing for a long period of time until they are caught, however I think serial killers can change MO's although it isnt often they do but they certainly can. Comparing Zodiac to Gacy or Bundy is like comparing apples to oranges. Gacy and Bundy seemed to me to be more about sex while Zodiac's crimes were not really all about that IMO.

I don't know how much stock I'd put in Mike Mageau's identification of Arthur Leigh Allen in 1992, more than 20 years after the fact. Eyewitness identification is notoriously unreliable, even if it's almost immediate. That was a dark night with Mageau thrashing around in the back seat with his legs in the air, trying to dodge bullets. It's not like he was the cab driver who picked up Zodiac and got a good look at him in normal lighting conditions.

Plus, Mageau hasn't been the most stable individual. Here's a recent summary from Robert Graysmith:

"Mike Mageau became a street person who fled from his hospital bed with pins in his legs, dyed his hair red, he's got green eyes, he's really a striking guy. He vanishes into the street people and for years I would get letters from nurses and health practitioners saying, 'Oh, Mike passed through here.' So when they did the film, David Fincher and his team, wanted to find him and that was one of the hardest things. Finally, Brad Fischer tracks him down in Las Vegas and he's in jail again."

I have never read Graysmith's book, but the folks at Zodiackiller.com say it is riddled with errors. Some of them may be honest mistakes since the avaliability of information in this case was not as easily accessible in the 80's as it is today.

Arthur Allen also has some very interesting circumstances around him (like his watch). The only hard evidence is the eyewtiness. However, as Awsi said, studies have proven recently that eyewitness accounts are terribly unreliable, so I think this account is probably a crock. Everything else against Allen is heresay. His cousin said that Allen wanted to kill people and call himself "Zodiac," but some case scholars have shown some inconsistencies in this man's testimony of events when collated with the actual events. Plus, all of the stuff this guy told police about Allen being Zodiac was already made public at the time he came forward. He knew no specific details of any case. Allen reminds me of that Stevens guy who was the main suspect in Green River killings. Stevens had dungeons behind false walls in his house, he had many weird porno videos, he had an arsenal of firearms, he had a fake police bike and a fake ambulance. He was one weird dude, but he was NOT the killer (DNA proved it). Allen is much the same, he is one weird dude with a lot of weird belongings (knives, bomb diagrams etc..), he was a child molestor, but I doubt he was the killer.

Gareth Penn's suspect seems to be of the mold of the Bible Code. That is, one can find mathematical codes in almost any text (see the War and Peace analysis the skeptics did to debunk the Bible Code). Penn's work, while noted for uncovering the radian idea and implementing it, was worthless for much else.

The other suspects I have seen seem unlikely. My bet is that the real killer has yet to be indentified by anyone. I have yet to examine Rodelli's suspect, so I will hold judgement on him until the file is made public.

Yeah your right, Mike Mageau has had a rough life and the night he was shot it was late and very dark outside, making ID difficult, but despite this I still think he is credible. He saw the Zodiac up close that evening and claims he remembers him. I dont think, and maybe Im wrong, a person forgets even after 20 years the face of a person who tries to kill them. In fact, I would think he still has occasional nightmares about the whole horrific incident. But as I said, I could be totally wrong.

Some of the other evidence which points to Arhur Leigh Allen is also quite compelling. At the Lake Berryessa shootings, a size 10 and 1/2 Wing Walker shoe print was found. Arthur Leigh Allen owned a pair of size 10 and 1/2 Wing Walkers (shoe prints have been very useful in solving other cases, notably Richard Ramirez "The Night Stalker). And Allen's friend, Don Cheney, a very solid and reliable guy, said he had a conversation with Allen before the murders in which Allen stated he was going to start killing people and he would call himself the Zodiac. Thats pretty juicy stuff.

Well, anyway, Im hoping two Zodiac books, written by Mike Kelleher that I recently ordered, will provide more insight.

Thanks for the feedback everyone. Im always interested in different Zodiac theories.

Christopher

Hi Thiussat:

Yeah it is sort of strange how a supposedly highly intelligent person like Zodiac would misspell some common words. One theory is that he purposedly did this because, in his own strange way, he found it quite funny(I dont really see the humor but I guess sociopathic murders find humor in things most people don't).
Interestingly, the prime Zodiac suspect, Arthur Leigh Allen had a habit of misspelling words. For example, in one of the many food recipes he shared with friends, he spelled eggs, eggz. This was obviously not due to a lack of education. Allen had a degree in liberal arts and taught elementary school. He also majored in biology and minored in chemistry. He was an odd but very smart guy.

If you have any more Zodiac questions, thoughts, theories etc. feel free to share them. I've always been intrigued by this case.

Hope this helps,
Christopher

Hi Justins5256:

Thanks for the book recommendation. I had no idea John Douglas had reviewed the Zodiac case and published his findings. I respect his opinions and would like to here his thoughts on the subject, I guess its time for me to place another order at Amazon.

As for the Zodiac/Unabomber connection I agree with you. The possibility of them being the same person is highly unlikely from what Ive learned(of course I could be wrong). Zodiac killed for relatively simple and personal reason. He believed he was smarter than the authorities and proved it by taunting them with his crimes. The Unabomber on the other hand was a philosopher, who had an important social message to share, technology was destroying society.
I just have a hard time seeing the connection.

Thanks again for the recommendation,
Christopher

It looks like Mike Mageau has been discharged, if I'm reading this link correctly. Must not have been too serious. Apparently a property charge, which I'm guessing is some type of theft or damage.

http://www.doc.nv.gov/ncis/detail.php?idnum=73863

On edit: I found a link that identifies it as a vagrancy charge.

Other interesting stuff at that link:

http://www.wildaboutmovies.com/movies/ZodiacMovieTrailerPosterJakeGyllenhaalDavidFincher.php

Does anyone know why the FBI has ruled out Ted K. in this case? Obviously they know some pertinent info that I don't. Perhaps he had an alibi for one or more of the murders? I have heard he was in another part of the country during some of the Zodiac happenings. Is this true?

I am pretty certain Ted K and Zodiac are not one in the same. First off Ted K would never spell incorrectly certain words and Zodiac did. The descriptions of Zodiac and Ted K in my opinion are not as close as they seem and I just dont get the vibe that Zodiac is Ted K. I have never heard the theory that serial killer's dont change MO's. I have heard serial killers dont stop killing for a long period of time until they are caught, however I think serial killers can change MO's although it isnt often they do but they certainly can. Comparing Zodiac to Gacy or Bundy is like comparing apples to oranges. Gacy and Bundy seemed to me to be more about sex while Zodiac's crimes were not really all about that IMO.

I agree. For mainly three reasons. If Unabomber Ted K. was Zodiac, why didn't he just confess. He had nothing to loose by confessing. Saying he was, in fact, the Zodiac.

Secondly, why didn't they find anything linking him to Zodiac at his remote cabin. Apparently Ted Kaczynski kept everything. Wires, buttons, bomb parts, etc.

Lastly, the Unabomber was all about technology harming society......and he killed with bombs! I find it very hard to believe that a criminal, out for a certain 'cause', would change their MO like that. Yes, I've seen the Zodiac/Unabomber segment numerous times and from what I've read and watching that, I don't believe they're the same.

Zodiac apparently was a hands-on killer. A gun and knife yielding maniac.
True, he did draw up and threaten with bomb diagrams but Zodiac's main MO was face-to-face killing directly with shooting or stabbing. I also think that the sketch of Zodiac from 1969 compared to Ted Kaczynski's pic when he was in his late twenties is a little far-fetched. There are a million people who would have a cleft or look almost identical to Kaczynski or the Zodiac composite. That doesn't mean they're all a suspect, though IMO.

True, there are many different coincidences and similarities but I just can't believe they are the same.......

(I used the terms Unabomber, Ted K. and Ted Kaczynski interchangeably, please forgive me)

It looks like Mike Mageau has been discharged, if I'm reading this link correctly. Must not have been too serious. Apparently a property charge, which I'm guessing is some type of theft or damage.

http://www.doc.nv.gov/ncis/detail.php?idnum=73863

On edit: I found a link that identifies it as a vagrancy charge.

Other interesting stuff at that link:

http://www.wildaboutmovies.com/movies/ZodiacMovieTrailerPosterJakeGyllenhaalDavidFincher.php


WUSS

It might just me, but I wouldn't be surprised if the Zodiac was Ted K.

Secondly, why didn't they find anything linking him to Zodiac at his remote cabin. Apparently Ted Kaczynski kept everything. Wires, buttons, bomb parts, etc.

Exactly.

Where is ?
1. Paul Stine' driver's license, shirt, keys?
2. A copy of the code cipher or the code books.
3. The printing machine used for the codes.
4. Even one copy of a Zodiac letter.
5. A scrapbook of Zodiac's crimes.
6. Something related to the symbol..(like the Zodiac watch for example)

Other problems with Ted K.

1. I don;t see why Ted K in becoming the Unabomber wouldn't use a perfectly good alias in The Zodiac Killer. If the Zodiac killer were planting bombs around the country..Zodiac could have become the greatest villain in history. something that would have to be ego boosting.

2. Zodiac's as a writer was quick and vicious. He was a poison pen. Venom just dripped from his words. Zodiac thought of himself as a villain and enjoyed playing the part.

Ted K. was a guy who had an agenda he wanted to teach and bring to the world by all means necessary. His words were preachy and technology ladden. Ted K thought of himself as a hero, and enjoyed playing the part (even if other people didn;t understand).

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It looks like Mike Mageau has been discharged, if I'm reading this link correctly. Must not have been too serious. Apparently a property charge, which I'm guessing is some type of theft or damage.

http://www.doc.nv.gov/ncis/detail.php?idnum=73863

On edit: I found a link that identifies it as a vagrancy charge.

Other interesting stuff at that link:

http://www.wildaboutmovies.com/movie...vidFincher.php


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1. One of the reasons why Mageau did nothing was because they thought Z was a police officer. (a very curious fact in and of itself)

2. Mike Mageaus life was destroyed because his father threw him out.

Mike Mageaux was KILLED by Zodiac...it;s just taking a little longer for him to die. :(

i dont think ted is the zodiac. no major proof to put them together. ill have to watch the zodiac story again to brush up on the facts but from what i remember there wasnt much there to make me think it was ted.

i dont think ted is the zodiac. no major proof to put them together

You have to consider the genesis of the Unabomber/Zodiac Theory

It's very common for a serial killer to be connected to other serial killers.

Even the Ohio Prostitute Killer was considered a Z suspect.
People have wondered if EAR/ONS was Z.
There were some theories that Amerithrax was Z.
Ted Bundy was accused of being more than once.
The male members of the Manson family.

I know that this has been beaten to death but the more I watch this segment, the more I think that investigator that looks like a turtle poorly presented the theory and that was part of why people discredit him. I can get over some of the blatantly blah circumstantial stuff: the Zodiac and TJK owned the same car at the time and both Zodiac and TJK were math freaks (different kinds of math).


There are two pieces that always stuck out at me. First was the fact that the TJK started sending bombs and taunting police at such a late age. The investigator that wanted to discredit the connection said that serial killers RARELY change their MO that drastically. The question I have is how rare is it for a 39 year old to just start doing this out of nowhere. I think there is a greater likelihood that someone would change their MO than to just begin the life as a serial killer midlife, especially with how high profile the case was getting.


The second is too ridiculously coincidental to be bypassed by naysayers. In Zodiac's last letter literally said he would start sending bombs and would change his MO. I know people will respond by saying "oh, well he said he would bomb school buses". Of course TJK never bombed a school bus, but for the Zodiac to say hey, I am changing my MO to bombing and for the Zodiac murders to stop and the bombing to begin about a month later is too fantastically coincidental for people to ignore.

I know a majority of people on this board probably think it was Arthur Leigh Allen or Richard Gaikowski, but I would like to know why TJK is so "obviously" not a suspect. The eyewitness sketch certainly doesn't count him out.


Another little piece of circumstantial evidence that I don't even focus on is TJK's sudden resignation from Berkeley, I suppose it could have been a stupid coincidence that he resigns and Zodiac murders begins weeks later.

Have they asked TJK about this? Is there interviews with TJK about this, surely they asked him.

Also, below is a link to someone that argues further that the last 18 letters actually spells TJK's name. Again in the segment, that dumb looking guy poorly presented this piece he said something like "well since there are 18 letters that weren't solved, PERHAPS it is TJK because his name has 18". This site below has a little umph behind the theory.

http://community.aetv.com/service/displayDiscussionThreads.kickAction?as=119137&w=267379&d=517873&ac=new

http://unazod.com/

that website basically has all the information you'll ever need to know about the comparison of The Zodiac and Unabomber. It was actually created by one of the guys that was interviewed for the UM segment.

Allen (http://www.zodiackiller.com/AllenFile.html) seems to be the most pleasing subject, although the DNA not matching really bothers me. I don't doubt than Allen was trouble himself and based on allegations, he could have been a murderer (I mean, he had bombs in his basement...), but that doesn't make him Zodiac (the same as if Dennis Rader had been a Zodiac suspect...a killer, but a different killer).

Richard Gaikowski (http://www.zodiackiller.com/SuspectGaikowski.html) is a very interesting suspect.

The Unabomber/Zodiac conspiracy is really fascinating but seems coincidental and highly unlikely.

I do think the Zodiac-Unabomber possible. Not probable, but possible.

Mostly because of people's arguments against it, I don't really agree. Among them:

1. Many say that serial killers don't change their MO. Perhaps they don't usually, but I think its naive to say they couldn't. The human brain is complex and can be many faceted. Mass murderers like anyone else can have several interests, or even dislikes, those pursue different types of victims. Just like some people pursue different legal and morally sound interests. Kacsynski was obviously an intelligent individual. Not sure why its impossible he could have both had a loathing for couples in the park and became anti technology.

2. Some say the Unabomber since he is in prison for life has nothing to lose by admitting if he was the Zodiac. This is poor reasoning in my view. Mass murderers are mass murderers for a reason. They do not typically think like other people. Its entirely possible Kascynski could get a thrill from leaving the Zodiac a mystery. Hell its even possible he doesn't even remember the Zodiac killings, although I admit this is unlikely.

His proximity to the Zodiac slayings at the time, the timing of the dissapearance of the Zodiac and subsequent appearance of the Unabomber, the unlikelihood that Kascynski suddenly decided to start killing at a late age, both of their seeming fascination with astrology and mathematics..........

I'm not saying Kascynski was the Zodiac, but in my opinion its very close minded not to be intrigued by the connections between the two. I honestly think they outweigh the arguments AGAINST him being the Zodiac, at least the ones I've heard.

Does anybody else remember the lawyer who swears the Zodiac came to him for a consultation? I remember reading about it on the Zodiac killer website and then the post and discussion were made private. The lawyer's last name was Tarbox or something like that.

As for the facts against it: Ted has never admitted to it, and this hurts the notion because he has nothing to lose by admitting it now.


Not wanting to end up on Death Row on a fast lane to the San Quentin needle bed seems a very good reason not wanting to admit he is the Zodiac killer.

Yeah, but the "fast lane" to a San Quentin needle bed would take about 75 years after appeals. Also, correct me if I'm wrong, but the Zodiac murders happened before the Supreme Court ruled the death penalty unconstitutional (for a brief time) in the early '70's.

I don't think Zodiac could even possibly face the death penalty.