I have to say that I have mixed feelings on the Alex P Keaton character. Not to get all political here, but when I watched a few scenes where Steve and Elyse Keaton reminence about their hippie days - I find myself wishing that those are Alex's views.

On the other hand, though, you do have to admire how close-knit and loving the family are - even if they may strongly disagree on politics. Also, you have to admire how Alex comes through for his parents and can respectfully disagree with them.

All in all, Alex P Keaton is a very loveable character that I happen to disagree with a lot of the time. Also, he's a perfect example of how not all conservatives are hatemongers, like Rush Limbaugh. He may clash with his parents a lot, but they love each other deeply.

The Keaton family definitely have a healthier relationship with each other, than the McFly family did in the original timeline of BTTF.

Hey, sorry if I seemed to stir up any political controversy. That wasn't my intention. I do still think Alex P Keaton is a loveable character. :)

I finally finished watching all four discs. I have to admit that the episode where he gives dating tips to Mallory's French tutor does bother me a bit, as he did seem pretty sexist. I guess he does get carried away at times. I admire the way he finally learned that he should let Ming be himself, instead of trying to mold him into an APK clone. It's nice that he decided to be Ming's Big Brother again. While he and Mallory may fight quite a bit, they really do love each other, and they do have a soft spot for Jennifer, as well.

All in all, while Alex may be a bit annoying at times - it's hard to not love him! He is also proof that not all conservatives are hatemongers, like a certain Rush Limbaugh. I can hardly wait for the next seasons to come out. I'm there's a lot of character development for him in the following seasons - as he becomes a little more mature.

I can hardly wait to see more of him with Skippy. Alex's relationship with Skippy reminds me a bit about Marty's relationship with Doc and young George. Well, Skippy obviously has a lot more in common with young George McFly - than he does with Doc Brown. They are all misfits in a way, though.

Sorry about rambling a bit, but I am real excited! :)

I just re-watched the first two discs with my mother, and we kinda talked a little bit about Alex's strong points and weak points.

His most obvious weak point is that he maybe cares about money a little too much. Much like Brantley Foster of The Secret of My Success (Great movie, by the way!), Alex is a little obsessive with becoming a top executive and making lots of money. In spite of the claim he may have once made about how people who have money don't need people, we know he doesn't really feel that way. This was especially evident in Death of a Grocer, when one of the major complaints he had about Shop-A-Lot was that nobody really talks to anyone. So he went back to working at Adler's Grocery Store, where he was really fond of his boss there.

His other weak point is that he sometimes does come off as seeming sexist, but I think it might be a result of reading too much into the movies he likes to watch. Also, I think being cheated on by Stephanie may have also caused him to question the real attitudes of woman. It maybe did seem to him like many of the teenage girls go for the "bad guys", while the "nice guys finish last". He really did show a lot of tenderness towards Stephanie, and it must have been real heartbreaking for him to find out he was being cheated on.

In spite of his faults, though, he is a very kind and caring person with a winning personality - and he has a great sense of humour. It's just that he sometimes gets a little carried away.

I just think that Alex had to be a Conservative to make the show work. His parents were liberal and one of the things I liked about the show was that even though they didn't agree with each other politically their was a lot of love in that family.

I would say that Alex is overall a very friendly person - and he's certainly a lot nicer than many Republicans today can be, like a certain Rush Limbaugh. What does tend to bug me about Alex, though, is that he can sometimes seem a bit sexist - but I think he really does have a big heart, though, when it comes to women. I understand how he felt when he discovered that Stephanie was cheating on him - and, even though he gave Jeff bad advice, I don't think he really does act that way when he's with girls. He just wasn't dating anyone at the time.

I like that Alex was conservative, but at times he went a little overboard with it. I mean I didn't like that Steven and Elyse were liberal because I don't really like the 60s that much and don't agree with them on alot of things. I'm more for what Alex believes.

Actually, I like a lot of the psychedelic garage rock from the 1960s - and I also like lava lamps, incense, and rainbow colours. I'm not too big on the drugs and free love aspect of that era, though.

I have come to respect the conservative side view, upon becoming a fan of Alex P Keaton - and Michael J Fox, for that matter. Even though I may lean liberal in many areas, I like how Alex and his parents still love each other - even if they might disagree on many issues. I try to stear clear away from political message boards, as I don't like political views bashing on either side.

As a girl, do some of Alex's views on gender roles bother you a bit- or do you basically agree with his views on them? I guess what bothers me the most, is his belief that the male should order for the female, without even asking her what she wants. After all, it's her taste buds - and she should be able to decide what she eats.

Yeah some of his views about females bother me. I like the music in the 60s, but I don't like the drugs and free love aspect either.

I would say that Alex is overall a very friendly person - and he's certainly a lot nicer than many Republicans today can be
He is also proof that not all conservatives are hatemongers, like a certain Rush Limbaugh.
Well, gee thanks for that. As a Conservative, I really appreciate being let off the hatemonger hook. Who said Conservatives were hatemongers anyway? Conservatives need a fictional character on a sitcom from 25 years ago to prove that they're not.....well, devil worshippers from the sounds of your posts.

I mean, EVERYONE knows that Liberalism is the party of peace and tolerance. For example, where should I begin.....

How about Dem. Senator Ken Salazar calling Conservative Supreme Court Justice Clarence Thomas an "abomination", or Liberal columnist Julianne Malveaux appearing on a PBS show discussing Clarence Thomas and saying, "The man is on the Court. You know, I hope his wife feeds him lots of eggs and butter and he dies early like many black men do, of heart disease. Well, that’s how I feel. He is an absolutely reprehensible person." Or Al Franken saying (on Matt Lauer's show, Letterman and The Daily Show) that Karl Rove and Scooter Libby will probably be executed for treason, or Airbag America radio host Randi Rhodes saying that Bush should be executed (while playing gunshots for sound effects), or Liberal activist Harry Belafonte saying such outrageous things that someone should drop a net over him, or Dem. Senator Harry Reid calling Bush a loser to high school students, or John Kerry saying on 'Meet The Press' that our troops are terrorizing Iraqi women and children or his "botched joke" insinuating that our troops are stoooopid, or Dem. Senator Dick Durbin comparing our troops to Nazi Stormtroopers, or Liberal nutjob Cindy Sheehan saying....forget it, that will take too long (well okay, just one....Sheehan saying that Bush is the world's biggest terrorist), or Howard Dean saying that he hates Republicans because they're evil, or Star Jones saying that we should work with Bin Laden or NY Comptroller Alan Spitzer saying at a college commencement ceremony, as he was introducing Dem. Senator Charles Schumer, that Bush needs a bullet between his eyes, or Bill Maher saying, after the recent assassination attempt on Cheney, that Cheney would be better off dead, or Maher saying that Laura Bush is like Hitler's dog or his remarks defending the terrorists after 9/11 and calling the U.S. cowardly, or Michael Moore calling the Iraqi insurgents "Freedom Fighters", or there's Liberal Moonbat Charlie Sheen and a few others saying that Bush planned and carried out 9/11 or Spike Lee saying that Bush busted the levees during Katrina, or Rosie O'Donnell...now there's a nice voice of Liberal INSANITY. I could go on all day....

No hate mongers there. :rolleyes: Not to get all political or anything. Any more "non political" points you'd like to discuss? I'm ready whenever you are.

It's just the websites like FreeRepublic and FreeConservative are filled with hatemongers who bash liberals and act like America is the number one country in the world. I guess I don't like it when conservatives bash liberals, and I also don't like it when liberals bash conservatives. One thing I appreciate about Michael J Fox is that he is a liberal who doesn't feel the need to bash conservatives. I'm also sick of all these America vs Canada and America vs Europe flame wars that seem to be so prominent over the internet. I'm sick of seeing Americans bashing Canadians and Europeans, and I'm also sick of seeing Canadians and Europeans bashing Americans! I just want all of us to get along, regardless of what your nationality or political persuasion is. Simply put, Americans are just like everyone else in the world. They are no better or no worse than the citizens of any other country in the world. I hate how politics tend to divide humanity.

Got a mental block when it comes to Liberal websites? How about one of the most hateful sites of all, democraticunderground. You want to see some real dirty hate mongering, wander on over there. Just be sure to shower when you're done. They take joy when Conservatives get sick. Case in point, when Conservative radio host and author Laura Ingraham came down with breast cancer about two years ago. The DUmmies were jumping for joy. I read it with my own eyes. In fact, Elizabeth Edwards used to post there, here and there, and stopped because of that thread. Don't tell me Liberals can't be nasty. At Free Republic, I read only prayers and well wishes for Elizabeth Edwards with recent her cancer recurrence.

I happen to think the United States is the greatest country in the world, and I offer no apologies to anyone for that. We help more than any country, have freed people for hundreds of years. I love my country, as everyone should love their country. I don't bash other countries, but yeah, I think mine is the BEST!!!!!!!! patriot:

It's just the websites like FreeRepublic and FreeConservative are filled with hatemongers who bash liberals and act like America is the number one country in the world.
Yeah, like there are no liberal websites filled with hatemongers who bash liberals. BTW, it's usually only those who disagree with Rush who call him a "hatemonger." Disagreeing with loony liberal policies is not "hate."
And, America IS the #1 country in the world. Get used to it!

Okay, maybe you like America the best - but it is not objectively the best country in the world. Besides, it's that kind of attitude that gives the American bashers an excuse to bash Americans. Now I will tell you that I'm probably more bothered by the American bashers from Canada and Europe than I am by the people from America who perpetuate the "arrogant and ignorant" American stereotype - because they are often hypocrites who claim to be oh-so-tolerant. The fact is, both groups are radical extremists who happen to occupy opposite ends on the same coin. If any of the "America Sucks" people from Canada or Europe were born in America - they would probably be part of the "America Rules" crowd. Likewise, if any of the "America Rules" people from America were born in Canada or Europe - they would probably be part of the "America Sucks" crowd. I hate how nationalism divides humanity.

During that whole Stem Cell Controversy with Michael J Fox last year - there were some people (from both America and Canada) who felt this need to make such a big deal over MJF's nationality. I mean, who care if Michael J Fox is Canadian or American? He is a human being with feelings and desires - and that is true of everyone, regardless of what side of the border you happened to be born on. Anyway, people don't choose the country they're born in - so it's foolish to look down on people who are from other countries.

As far as Democratic Underground goes, I don't know too much about that website. I've only been there once, and it was admittedly a topic from a Liberal Christian complaining about the anti-Christian bias on that website - and I agree that it's wrong. These days, I try to stay clear away from political websites. Anyway, there are so many more cheerful topics to think about besides politics - like Michael J Fox and Back to the Future.

Okay, maybe you like America the best - but it is not objectively the best country in the world. Besides, it's that kind of attitude that gives the American bashers an excuse to bash Americans. Now I will tell you that I'm probably more bothered by the American bashers from Canada and Europe than I am by the people from America who perpetuate the "arrogant and ignorant" American stereotype - because they are often hypocrites who claim to be oh-so-tolerant. The fact is, both groups are radical extremists who happen to occupy opposite ends on the same coin. If any of the "America Sucks" people from Canada or Europe were born in America - they would probably be part of the "America Rules" crowd. Likewise, if any of the "America Rules" people from America were born in Canada or Europe - they would probably be part of the "America Sucks" crowd. I hate how nationalism divides humanity.

During that whole Stem Cell Controversy with Michael J Fox last year - there were some people (from both America and Canada) who felt this need to make such a big deal over MJF's nationality. I mean, who care if Michael J Fox is Canadian or American? He is a human being with feelings and desires - and that is true of everyone, regardless of what side of the border you happened to be born on. Anyway, people don't choose the country they're born in - so it's foolish to look down on people who are from other countries.

As far as Democratic Underground goes, I don't know too much about that website. I've only been there once, and it was admittedly a topic from a Liberal Christian complaining about the anti-Christian bias on that website - and I agree that it's wrong. These days, I try to stay clear away from political websites. Anyway, there are so many more cheerful topics to think about besides politics - like Michael J Fox and Back to the Future.

Interesting that now "there are so many more cheerful topics to think about" since you are the one that brought all of this up.:rolleyes: I guess when you get shown just how bad your liberal side of the political spectrum is it's just best to shut the hell up and move on......

I just want everyone to get along, regardless on whether you're liberal or conservative! Can't we all just get along? Can we please get back to talking about Family Ties? This is a Family Ties board, not a Let's Bash Liberals board! Now let's all just go back to discussing Family Ties, okay? I don't care if you're liberal or conservative! Let's just all agree to disagree and try to get along, okay?

BTW, are you people (Janice, Fleet, and Bobby F) even fans of Family Ties or Michael J Fox - or did you guys just post here to attack me? You guys are only proving my point by attacking me because I disagree with you. At least Classicshowsgirl15 was civil towards me, so I have no beef with her. She seems to be a very nice girl who I just simply happen to disagree with. I have nothing against people who hold conservative views. I do, however, have a problem with conservatives who feel the need to bash liberals.

BTW, the reason why I mentioned Rush Limbaugh as a hatemonger, is because he slammed sweet Michael J Fox last fall. Otherwise, I usually don't pay attention to stuff like that!

BTW, I never said that all (or even most) conservatives were hatemongers - just like it seems like many of them are. Yes, some liberals are hatemongers, too - like some of the American bashers from Canada and Europe. Those people probably disgust me even more.

You're right, this IS a Family Tie's board, yet you chose to bash Conservatives, post after post. A couple of people defend themselves, and you say we're attacking you. Usual crybaby liberal.

You might want to stick with discussing Family Ties instead of claiming that Conservatives are hatemongers and such. Did you really think a Conservative wouldn't pick up on that? This one did. I'll catch it again, if you decide to bash Conservatives again.

Besides, per the rules, political discussion is supposed to take place only on the Politic's board. I can meet you there, if you'd like. My work here is done. :D

All in all, Alex P Keaton is a very loveable character that I happen to disagree with a lot of the time. Also, he's a perfect example of how not all conservatives are hatemongers, like Rush Limbaugh. He may clash with his parents a lot, but they love each other deeply.

The Keaton family definitely have a healthier relationship with each other, than the McFly family did in the original timeline of BTTF.

Yeah, I guess Alex was kinda cute, eh?

Usual crybaby liberal.

insult
–verb (used with object)
1. to treat or speak to insolently or with contemptuous rudeness; affront.
2. to affect as an affront; offend or demean.
3. Archaic. to attack; assault.
–verb (used without object)
4. Archaic. to behave with insolent triumph; exult contemptuously (usually fol. by on, upon, or over).
–noun
5. an insolent or contemptuously rude action or remark; affront.
6. something having the effect of an affront: That book is an insult to one's intelligence.

If I'm not mistaken, isn't that against the rules of this message board to personally insult someone! I don't want to discuss politics anymore.

2. Message Policy: No personal attacks - do not bring your instant messages, private e-mails or messages to the board. No derogatory comments against other posters, including slurs based on race, religion, gender, sexual preference, or political affiliation. No snide remakrs directed toward other users. No personal threats or harassment. No impersonation of other users. Do not act in a matter interpreted as condescending towards other users. They have just as much right to express their opinion as you. ANY Sitcoms Online user caught making racist and/or derogatory comments towards country, region, or group of people, OR ANY SITCOMS ONLINE MEMBER, will be suspended. Any future violations will result in either an extended suspension, or banning. Any user with moderation-level control of the site whom is suspended may lose moderator privileges.

BTW, I have a hunch that you asked the two other members, via private message, to come here and flame me. I searched their posts, and they have never posted in the Family Ties section before.

Now, just let me explain myself. I admit that it maybe was bad wording on my part. It's just, ever since the controversy surrounding Michael J Fox's stem cell ad last fall - it seems to me like a number of (not all) conservatives were picking on Michael J Fox, and Rush Limbaugh was among them. My mother holds conservative values, and we get along fine. Maybe it wasn't a fair thing for me to say. I know many liberals are capable of being hate-mongers, too. Anyway, I apologize for that statement. I guess what I meant to say is that Alex P Keaton is a lot nicer than Rush Limbaugh and a lot of other loudmouth conservatives. One can also say that Michael J Fox, as a liberal, is a lot nicer than Michael Moore, Carolyn Parrish, and other loudmouth liberals. Okay, I hope everything is balanced now.

insult
–verb (used with object)
1. to treat or speak to insolently or with contemptuous rudeness; affront.
2. to affect as an affront; offend or demean.
3. Archaic. to attack; assault.
–verb (used without object)
4. Archaic. to behave with insolent triumph; exult contemptuously (usually fol. by on, upon, or over).
–noun
5. an insolent or contemptuously rude action or remark; affront.
6. something having the effect of an affront: That book is an insult to one's intelligence.

If I'm not mistaken, isn't that against the rules of this message board to personally insult someone! I don't want to discuss politics anymore.

2. Message Policy: No personal attacks - do not bring your instant messages, private e-mails or messages to the board. No derogatory comments against other posters, including slurs based on race, religion, gender, sexual preference, or political affiliation. No snide remakrs directed toward other users. No personal threats or harassment. No impersonation of other users. Do not act in a matter interpreted as condescending towards other users. They have just as much right to express their opinion as you. ANY Sitcoms Online user caught making racist and/or derogatory comments towards country, region, or group of people, OR ANY SITCOMS ONLINE MEMBER, will be suspended. Any future violations will result in either an extended suspension, or banning. Any user with moderation-level control of the site whom is suspended may lose moderator privileges.

BTW, I have a hunch that you asked the two other members, via private message, to come here and flame me. I searched their posts, and they have never posted in the Family Ties section before.
Since you're so into the rules, don't miss Rule #12 which forbids political discussion on the sitcom boards. Looks like you broke two rules. Name calling (hatemonger...twice, and saying that Republicans aren't nice). That's three insults. You also initiated a political discussion on a sitcom board, so I guess we're even. Well, you're still two insults ahead of me, and you started the discussion, but I'm not going to split hairs. Maybe the moderators will let you slide.

Nobody flamed you...they just gave their opinion. You sound a little paranoid. See what happens when you insult an entire group of people (Conservatives), and discuss politics on a sitcom board when you're not supposed to. I hope you learned your lesson!

Okay, maybe we can call a truce. I never did mean to imply that most conservatives were hatemongers, but it seems like most of the dissenting comments made at YouTube on the video where Michael J Fox was endorsing Claire McCaskill were comments that were spewing hate towards MJF, especially members like jacknitz. I guess I wouldn't have been so negative about conservatives, if there were more comments there that read, "Well, I like Michael J Fox, and I feel bad for him - but I disagree with his stance on embronic stem cell research, because yadda yadda yadda." I know there are some Michael J Fox fans (like Kackie) who happen to hold conservative political views - and they can politely disagree with Michael J Fox, without spewing hate towards him. That I can respect. Rather, it seemed like there many people there taking shots at MJF and making hateful comments towards him - and that I don't respect.

Anyway, yes, I know that not all conservatives are hateful - and, conversely, there are liberals who can be hateful. It's not one's political persuation that is the issue, it's how one delivers their stance. I've even made a few comments at YouTube defending conservatives, and pointing out that Alex P Keaton was a conservative (and was mostly portrayed in a positive light). So, anyway, that's that.

I admit that I worded myself badly, and I'm sorry. If you like Michael J Fox, too - then you can maybe understand a little better where I'm coming from.

BTW, the reason why I mentioned Rush Limbaugh as a hatemonger, is because he slammed sweet Michael J Fox last fall.
Rush pointed out an error MJF made... when Michael said a certain senator from the midwest (forgot his name) was against stem cell research. That is not true; he was against embyonic stem cell research, as are millions of Americans.
Pointing out an error someone made does not make that person a "hatemonger."

BTW, I am a MJF fan... primarily his "Back to the Future" movies.

BTW, I have a hunch that you asked the two other members, via private message, to come here and flame me. I searched their posts, and they have never posted in the Family Ties section before.


:lol: :lol: :lol: Kinda paranoid, don't ya think???:crazy:

I always click on "New Post" every day to see what's going on. Sorry to hurt your feelings in you thinking that you were so important that PM's were flying all over cyperspace just to "flame" you. Stuck on yerself just a bit.....:lol:

Rush pointed out an error MJF made... when Michael said a certain senator from the midwest (forgot his name) was against stem cell research. That is not true; he was against embyonic stem cell research, as are millions of Americans.
Pointing out an error someone made does not make that person a "hatemonger."

BTW, I am a MJF fan... primarily his "Back to the Future" movies.

You better go into complete details Fleet. He-She is just going on word of mouth as to what really happened with the Rush/MJF deal.

Bobby F, it looks like you're laughing at me. That is called a flame. :mad: Don't you know how to be civil towards other people? Haven't your parents taught you how to be nice to other people?

Fleet, I respect your views about Rush Limbaugh - but I must agree to disagree. Thanks for being civil.:)

Hey, Bobby, do you even like Michael J Fox? Why don't you just get the hell away from this forum, since I have yet to see you mention Family Ties - and leave me the bloody hell alone?

Bobby F, it looks like you're laughing at me. That is called a flame. :mad: Don't you know how to be civil towards other people? Haven't your parents taught you how to be nice to other people?

Fleet, I respect your views about Rush Limbaugh - but I must agree to disagree. Thanks for being civil.:)


Now you're attacking my parents?? First conservatives are called hatemongers by you and now this. How civil is this???:lol: :lol: :lol: Smileys are there to be used. Just like the mad one you used.

:crybaby: :crybaby: :crybaby: :lol: :lol:

Now you're attacking my parents?? First conservatives are called hatemongers by you and now this. How civil is this???:lol: :lol: :lol: Smileys are there to be used. Just like the mad one you used.

:crybaby: :crybaby: :crybaby: :lol: :lol:

How dare you be mean to me? GO TO HELL, YOU UGLY PERVERT! :mad:

Now, do you like Michael J Fox - or don't you? Michael J Fox happens to exude peace and harmony, unlike you! :mad:

Hey, Bobby, do you even like Michael J Fox? Why don't you just get the hell away from this forum, since I have yet to see you mention Family Ties - and leave me the bloody hell alone?

I've always like MJF. Loved him in the Back to the Future pics. Liked Teen Wolf too. What else do you want to know......:happyface

How dare you be mean to me? GO TO HELL, YOU UGLY PERVERT! :mad:

Name calling, cursing....how many more rules will you break today.:lol:

Right, because I'm the who used those laughing smileys to mock your post, then I called you a crybaby three times with those smileys! Oops, my mistake! :lol:

Right, because I'm the who used those laughing smileys to mock your post, then I called you a crybaby three times with those smileys! Oops, my mistake! :lol:

Glad you finally see the error of your ways.:lol: :lol: