Because Gays have complained that it's a HOMOPHPBIC COMMERCIAL?????? I'm glad it's pulled because I never want to see anything DISGUSTING like that again. Two Grown Men KISSING?? YUCK!!! Best Move of 2007

Pull up the soapboxes and turn up the microphones. I predict another gays are great thread. 10 page minimum. Anyone wanna start a pool?

:soapbox: :singer: :soapbox: :singer: :soapbox: :singer: :soapbox: :singer: :soapbox: :singer:

So if a man and woman "accidentally" kissed each other, and quickly backed off...would it be considered a heterophobic commercial by straight people?

Probably not. Just another pointless thing for people of all sexualities to complain about.

So if a man and woman "accidentally" kissed each other, and quickly backed off...would it be considered a heterophobic commercial by straight people?

Probably not. Just another pointless thing for people of all sexualities to complain about.


Good Point-lol

I didn't think that commercial was homophobic or offensive at all. I watched the game with a friend of mine (who happens to be gay) and he thought the commercial was hysterical. He wasn't offended one bit.

It wasn't a FAMILY HOUR commercial

It wasn't a FAMILY HOUR commercial

And a busty girl in a GoDaddy.com T shirt getting hosed down with champagne is?

And a busty girl in a GoDaddy.com T shirt getting hosed down with champagne is?


More acceptable than watching the lips of two men touch each other

The commercial gave me the creeps. lol

The commercial gave me the creeps. lol


My snickers eating days are OVER-lol

My snickers eating days are OVER-lol


At least don't eat one with another guy in the room. :lol:

B I'm glad it's pulled because I never want to see anything DISGUSTING like that again. Two Grown Men KISSING?? YUCK!!! Best Move of 2007


Agreed 100%

UG!

i loved that commercial. It was hiliarous!

Pull up the soapboxes and turn up the microphones. I predict another gays are great thread. 10 page minimum. Anyone wanna start a pool?

:soapbox: :singer: :soapbox: :singer: :soapbox: :singer: :soapbox: :singer: :soapbox: :singer:
wow...

anyway, that's stupid. I thought it was kind of funny.

I didn't think that commercial was homophobic or offensive at all. I watched the game with a friend of mine (who happens to be gay) and he thought the commercial was hysterical. He wasn't offended one bit.
it takes a few people without a sense of humor to ruin it for everyone else. Er, well, since it grossed a lot of people out...maybe it didn't ruin it for so many, but yeah :lol:

wow stfu
wow i just reported you for a personal attack

wow i just reported you for a personal attack
go for it, I personally think you were trying to start something.

go for it, I personally think you were trying to start something.
Remind me to run my posts by you for approval in the future. :lol:

Because Gays have complained that it's a HOMOPHPBIC COMMERCIAL?????? I'm glad it's pulled because I never want to see anything DISGUSTING like that again. Two Grown Men KISSING?? YUCK!!! Best Move of 2007
Where is the link that says that is the reason it was pulled?


My daughter is gay and she and the rest of us were laughing our asses off. :rofl:

as for the commercial, i didnt really find it that funny but i didnt think it was homophobic...

I didn't find it homophobic, it was somewhat amusing.

Darn I didn't see the commercial and now it's pulled. :( I guess I can't get involved in this topic lol.

Darn I didn't see the commercial and now it's pulled. :( I guess I can't get involved in this topic lol.

You forget all things can be found on the internet.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Oooij6sQYgI

You forget all things can be found on the internet.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Oooij6sQYgI
Thanks! lol

So now that I've seen it, I thought it was kind of funny lol. I mean, I don't think they were homophobic, they were just showing they weren't gay.

Thanks! lol

So now that I've seen it, I thought it was kind of funny lol. I mean, I don't think they were homophobic, they were just showing they weren't gay.

No problem.

The reason they made the commercial with two guys "kissing" (notice I put quotations around it, it wasn't a real kiss) is because it was supposed to be funny. It is slightly more amusing to see two (supposedly) straight men accidentally kiss than a man and a woman kiss. After all, men and women kiss all the time and it would come across more as awww thats sweet than funny.

That's just my opinion on it. The commercial was not made to be offensive, and I can't believe people thought that it was offensive.

My two cents: People shouldn't be allowed to have opinions if they have no intelligence.

and that commercial has nothing to do with being gay

That commercial was pulled? Good Lord, we've become a such a PC touchy society.

and that commercial has nothing to do with being gay
Exactly! It involved a kiss, if you can even call it that. If you looked close, their lips didn't even touch! :lol:

Exactly! It involved a kiss, if you can even call it that. If you looked close, their lips didn't even touch! :lol:


That sounds like my last date. ;)

Hey Solomon, where is the link to this story?

That sounds like my last date. ;)
:rofl:

I thought it was hilarious! :lol:

Since when did Snickers become a gay Candy Bar?-lol This is the 2nd commercial that targeted Gay men and I'm just puzzled. The first commercial was the White Guy singing to the Black guy.

Since when did Snickers become a gay Candy Bar?-lol This is the 2nd commercial that targeted Gay men and I'm just puzzled. The first commercial was the White Guy singing to the Black guy.


:rofl:

Since when did Snickers become a gay Candy Bar?-lol This is the 2nd commercial that targeted Gay men and I'm just puzzled. The first commercial was the White Guy singing to the Black guy.

Good point, singing is pretty damn gay. Why sing? Might as well be fellating eachother into oblivion.

Hey Solomon, where is the link to this story?


There is no link, it was mentioned on ESPN so It probably can be found on espn.com

Chocolate peanuts soar
above mountains of chewy nougat and caaaaaaaraaaaamel!

Good point, singing is pretty damn gay. Why sing? Might as well be fellating eachother into oblivion.



The way the black guy way looking at the Guy signing didn't give off a Gay Vibe?????? Is that what you are going to tell me on Feb 6, 2007?

Chocolate peanuts soar
above mountains of chewy nougat and caaaaaaaraaaaamel!



Brian you better not ever sing to me, YOU GOT THAT???-LOL

Hey Solomon, where is the link to this story?

Here you go Irene.

http://www.foxnews.com/wires/2007Feb06/0,4670,SuperBowlSnickersAd,00.html

Here you go Irene.

http://www.foxnews.com/wires/2007Feb06/0,4670,SuperBowlSnickersAd,00.html
Thank u so very much. :D

Hey Solomon, first the McDonald's coffee commercial and now this commercial, WHERE WILL IT END??????? :rofl:

The way the black way looking at the Guy signing didn't give off a Gay Vibe?????? Is that what you are going to tell me on Feb 6, 2007?

LOL..you have a way with words.

I'm no expert on what the look a man gives another man when he becomes infatuated with him, but I took the excessive 'happiness' in the commercial as a way of promoting how awesomely delicious a Snickers bar is, rather than a promotion for man sex.

Thank u so very much. :D

Hey Solomon, first the McDonald's coffee commercial and now this commercial, WHERE WILL IT END??????? :rofl:



Like Ms. Orange said-first "Gay Coffee" and now a "Gay Snickers Bar" LOL

LOL..you have a way with words.

I'm no expert on what the look a man gives another man when he becomes infatuated with him, but I took the excessive 'happiness' in the commercial as a way of promoting how awesomely delicious a Snickers bar is, rather than a promotion for man sex.



But it's the 2nd commercial with Two men. I'm just wondering what's REALLY GOING ON-lol

so you have to be gay to eat a snickers? well damn! guess i'm stuck with rainbow skittles.

But it's the 2nd commercial with Two men. I'm just wondering what's REALLY GOING ON-lol

I guess I don't see how two men present in the same commercial automatically equates to gay innuendo, especially in the case for the singing commercial. Now, if they been in a full blown makeout session or any other type of foreplay, I might think you're onto something.

so you have to be gay to eat a snickers? well damn! guess i'm stuck with rainbow skittles.


I really don't know dawsongirl-lol

I really don't know dawsongirl-lol
lol. candy isn't supposed to be confusing.

lol. candy isn't supposed to be confusing.



It is Now-lol I will be in the store tomorrow looking at Snickers and will be VERY CONFUSED-LOL

It is Now-lol I will be in the store tomorrow looking at Snickers and will be VERY CONFUSED-LOL
rofl! just make sure there's not another guy in the aisle.

But it's the 2nd commercial with Two men. I'm just wondering what's REALLY GOING ON-lol

You know Sol, you're really hung up on this whole gay thing. Is there something you want to tell us?

If I didn't know better, I'd be thinking DENIAL ;)

http://www.starstore.com/acatalog/daffyd-poster-little.jpg

I didn't get the idea that I should buy a Snickers bar--when viewing the commercial; I just got disgusted instead. (I know that's obviously not how everyone feels about it, but it's only my opinion).

I didn't get the idea that I should buy a Snickers bar--when viewing the commercial; I just got disgusted instead. (I know that's obviously not how everyone feels about it, but it's only my opinion).



Exactly YOOCH-lol

Exactly YOOCH-lol

Agree with you, buddy--and for the rest of youse, we ain't in denial, isn't that right, Sol? :)

Agree with you, buddy--and for the rest of youse, we ain't in denial, isn't that right, Sol? :)


And Futhermore Why would a Guy start chewing the other end of the Snickers if he already Saw one end in his mouth?? When I saw that i said-"What the Hell is going on?-lol

And Futhermore Why would a Guy start chewing the other end of the Snickers if he already Saw one end in his mouth?? When I saw that i said-"What the Hell is going on?-lol

:lol: Exactly!

And Futhermore Why would a Guy start chewing the other end of the Snickers if he already Saw one end in his mouth?? When I saw that i said-"What the Hell is going on?-lol

Well, it's obviously supposed to be funny. Do you really think this might happen in real life?

Also, I assume you wouldn't mind if commercials of straight people kissing came to an end as well?

Well, it's obviously supposed to be funny. Do you really think this might happen in real life?

Also, I assume you wouldn't mind if commercials of straight people kissing came to an end as well?


No just with men kissing

[ insert post here that will make no sense whatsoever when/if I finally change my avatar ]

No just with men kissing

http://www.jpierre.com/hello/1494990/320/Denial-2005.04.08-06.16.50.jpg

http://i64.photobucket.com/albums/h198/StarDustDoll/Gay%20Pride/5595006a.gif

Brian you better not ever sing to me, YOU GOT THAT???-LOL
:rotflmao: to that and this thread

http://www.jpierre.com/hello/1494990/320/Denial-2005.04.08-06.16.50.jpg

http://i64.photobucket.com/albums/h198/StarDustDoll/Gay%20Pride/5595006a.gif

So, just because someone disagrees with the gay lifestyle, that means they're in the closet?

So, just because someone disagrees with the gay lifestyle, that means they're in the closet?


Exactly, it's the classic Homophobia police at it's worst. Heaven forbid you disagree with the gay lifestyle. :rolleyes:

http://www.jpierre.com/hello/1494990/320/Denial-2005.04.08-06.16.50.jpg

http://i64.photobucket.com/albums/h198/StarDustDoll/Gay%20Pride/5595006a.gif


You talk like you been sharing snickers bars!!!!!!!!-LOL

You talk like you been sharing snickers bars!!!!!!!!-LOL


:lol:

Only 5 more pages to reach my 10 page prediction. These Gays Are Great aka GAG threads usually go 10 or better. The COPs are out in full force.

Only 5 more pages to reach my 10 page prediction. These Gays Are Great aka GAG threads usually go 10 or better. The COPs are out in full force.


:rofl:

Since when did Snickers become a gay Candy Bar?-lol This is the 2nd commercial that targeted Gay men and I'm just puzzled. The first commercial was the White Guy singing to the Black guy.

It's not targeting gay men...at all...I think you missed the entire point behind the commerical

Additionally, Solomon...you seem to classify any instance of two men sharing feeling/emotions/or anything tactile as sexual and homosexual. Whatever you read into something is your own feelings manifesting itself, therefore making your opinion biased.

Only 5 more pages to reach my 10 page prediction. These Gays Are Great aka GAG threads usually go 10 or better. The COPs are out in full force.

Although I'm sure you're looking for something that abbreviates to "GAG," I think a more accurate catchphrase might be "gays are equal." Nobody's putting anyone on a pedestal.

Although I'm sure you're looking for something that abbreviates to "GAG," I think a more accurate catchphrase might be "gays are equal." Nobody's putting anyone on a pedestal.
No argument from me on that front. Gays are equal. My issue is with the COPs who are intolerant of anyone elses opinion. If someone is against gay marriage they're a homophobe or gay. Those people are hammered for page after page, lectured and run out on a rail. Everyone has a right to their opinion. Lots of Dem politicians including Kerry are against gay marriage. That's why I call these threads gays are great threads.

You talk like you been sharing snickers bars!!!!!!!!-LOL
You better check yourself into a rehab for that one Solomon. A surefire path to redemption these days.

Additionally, Solomon...you seem to classify any instance of two men sharing feeling/emotions/or anything tactile as sexual and homosexual. Whatever you read into something is your own feelings manifesting itself, therefore making your opinion biased.


I'm sorry but the commercial looked to be a DIRECT TARGET to gay men. How can it not be? What straight man would start chewing on the other end of a snickers bar when one in is already in another's man mouth?-lol There was nothing COMICAL about that commercial

I think the ad is making fun of homophobes. I'd think the gay community would be for it. Guess not though as the COPs got it yanked off the air.

I thought the ad was funny. It reminded me of the "those aren't pillows" scene from Planes, Trains And Automobiles.

I'm sorry but the commercial looked to be a DIRECT TARGET to gay men. How can it not be? What straight man would start chewing on the other end of a snickers bar when one in is already in another's man mouth?-lol There was nothing COMICAL about that commercial

It was for comedic purposes. It wasn't targeted towards gay men at all. It's when Sammy Davis Jr. kissed Archie Bunker. I doubt that was targeted towards gay men just because one man kissed another. You've got to stop being so sensitive and stop reading too much into things. http://www.skyscrapercity.com/images/smilies/shake.gif

This ad seems to have hit a nerve with both straight and gay people for different reasons. An equal opportunity offender, lol.

It was for comedic purposes. It wasn't targeted towards gay men at all. It's when Sammy Davis Jr. kissed Archie Bunker. I doubt that was targeted towards gay men just because one man kissed another. You've got to stop being so sensitive and stop reading too much into things. http://www.skyscrapercity.com/images/smilies/shake.gif


That Sammy/Archie Situation was a completely different situation and you know it

It was for comedic purposes. It wasn't targeted towards gay men at all. It's when Sammy Davis Jr. kissed Archie Bunker. I doubt that was targeted towards gay men just because one man kissed another.
That's an interesting and accurate comparison you've made. I think the Sammy and Archie kiss and the commercial were made for similiar reasons...to illustrate how some people, men actually, can't handle affection without equating it to sex, or homosexuality. Archie got the willies over it, and the guys in the commercial did too...when sex had nothing to do with any of it.

That's an interesting and accurate comparison you've made. I think the Sammy and Archie kiss and the commercial were made for similiar reasons...to illustrate how some people, men actually, can't handle affection without equating it to sex, or homosexuality. Archie got the willies over it, and the guys in the commercial did too...when sex had nothing to do with any of it.


Bad example janice, the guys were chewing on opposite sides of the bar

For the love of god. It's not like they put 30 seconds of gay porn on tv. It's a commercial. They aren't saying "HEY GO BE GAY NOW." They didn't even mention homosexuality in the commercial. If anything, its the subject of affection and them not feeling "manly."

But that's not even the point of the commercial. The point is, the candy bar is good. Which caused the one guy to try to eat it out of the other guy's mouth. I doubt the Snickers people are trying to make a profound statement about society with a 30 second super bowl commercial.

Bad example janice, the guys were chewing on opposite sides of the bar
:lol: The way you just come out with things cracks me up.

For the love of god. It's not like they put 30 seconds of gay porn on tv. It's a commercial. They aren't saying "HEY GO BE GAY NOW." They didn't even mention homosexuality in the commercial. If anything, its the subject of affection and them not feeling "manly."

But that's not even the point of the commercial. The point is, the candy bar is good. Which caused the one guy to try to eat it out of the other guy's mouth. I doubt the Snickers people are trying to make a profound statement about society with a 30 second super bowl commercial.

:clap Well put! When I saw this commercial homosexuality never even came to mind. I just thought is was funny.

That Sammy/Archie Situation was a completely different situation and you know it

Actually it wasn't. The exact action doesn't matter, it's the point they were trying to get across. Refer to Janice's post.

You talk like you been sharing snickers bars!!!!!!!!-LOL

And what if I have? If you've no problem with gays, then you'd have no problem with that. :confused:

So, just because someone disagrees with the gay lifestyle, that means they're in the closet?

Not at all, but when someone can't go a week without posting something new on the issue, then there must be more to it than just a fleeting opinion.

There's obviously unresolved issues there, and he claims it's not homophobia, so you do the math. ;)

Only 5 more pages to reach my 10 page prediction. These Gays Are Great aka GAG threads usually go 10 or better. The COPs are out in full force.

Actually, we're nearly at 90 posts so far in this thread, and 40+ of those posts have been made by people from your side of the argument, and a number of them by you personally (you've posted more than the average person on this thread).

Your right, the COPs (Contradictorily Opinionated People) are indeed out in force.

J

For the love of god. It's not like they put 30 seconds of gay porn on tv. It's a commercial. They aren't saying "HEY GO BE GAY NOW." They didn't even mention homosexuality in the commercial. If anything, its the subject of affection and them not feeling "manly."

But that's not even the point of the commercial. The point is, the candy bar is good. Which caused the one guy to try to eat it out of the other guy's mouth. I doubt the Snickers people are trying to make a profound statement about society with a 30 second super bowl commercial.

:thanks:

And what if I have? If you've no problem with gays, then you'd have no problem with that. :confused:


I don't have a problem with gays as long as they are not around me kissing each other

lol, i'm not too surprised by this and not really grossed out either.. it's not such a big deal where i'm at, i guess i've gotten used to the idea of it...

I don't have a problem with gays as long as they are not around me kissing each other

That's a contradiction in terms.

It would be like a white person saying "I don't have a problem with Black employees, just as long as I don't have to work with them!"

It would be obvious that they had issues, it's the same with you and gays.

Maybe the commercial is no big deal, but the fact is that some of us didn't like it.

A couple of observations: Some posted that the commercial was supposed to be funny. I didn't think it was funny. I would've been laughing if I thought it was funny. Rather, I was looking at the commercial, thinking, 'What the h__?' (If other posters found it funny, more power to them; that is their opinion and I respect that)

Second, a company spends lots of money with the expectation that people buy their product. Watching this commercial did not make me want to buy a Snickers Bar, or avoid doing so--it had no effect one way or another on my spending habits. So for me, this ad didn't achieve its objective.

(Again, my opinion, no more no less--I have no hidden agenda, or repressed impulses that I'm aware of. In other words, a psychological evaluation is not required or called for, just because people don't like the ad, is all I'm saying.)

That's a contradiction in terms.

It would be like a white person saying "I don't have a problem with Black employees, just as long as I don't have to work with them!"

It would be obvious that they had issues, it's the same with you and gays.


If a gay man is not a co-worker of mine, there is no other reason for him to be around me. Why is that so hard for you to understand? Why else would I be around a gay man if I wasn;t working wit him??????

Maybe the commercial is no big deal, but the fact is that some of us didn't like it.

A couple of observations: Some posted that the commercial was supposed to be funny. I didn't think it was funny. I would've been laughing if I thought it was funny. Rather, I was looking at the commercial, thinking, 'What the h__?' (If other posters found it funny, more power to them; that is their opinion and I respect that)

Second, a company spends lots of money with the expectation that people buy their product. Watching this commercial did not make me want to buy a Snickers Bar, or avoid doing so--it had no effect one way or another on my spending habits. So for me, this ad didn't achieve its objective.

(Again, my opinion, no more no less--I have no hidden agenda, or repressed impulses that I'm aware of. In other words, a psychological evaluation is not required or called for, just because people don't like the ad, is all I'm saying.)


Well said!

That's a contradiction in terms.

It would be like a white person saying "I don't have a problem with Black employees, just as long as I don't have to work with them!"

It would be obvious that they had issues, it's the same with you and gays.
Or maybe that person is secretly black. You know using your theory of you're gay if you don't agree with their lifestyle.

Actually, we're nearly at 90 posts so far in this thread, and 40+ of those posts have been made by people from your side of the argument, and a number of them by you personally (you've posted more than the average person on this thread).

Your right, the COPs (Contradictorily Opinionated People) are indeed out in force.

J
It tells me that calling people out on their behavior often works.

ps-you don't have to sign your posts to me J. I know it's you.

(Again, my opinion, no more no less--I have no hidden agenda, or repressed impulses that I'm aware of. In other words, a psychological evaluation is not required or called for, just because people don't like the ad, is all I'm saying.)
You mean you don't want to be put under the microscope and told that you either hate gays or that you're gay? You know how some people, even those in lower level medical fields think they're psychiatrists or better. I have a niece like this. She's a nurse, and she acts like she's a brain surgeon. I know a dental hygienist who's the same way. But you're right, sometimes a cigar is just a cigar. Good post Yooch.

Maybe the commercial is no big deal, but the fact is that some of us didn't like it.

A couple of observations: Some posted that the commercial was supposed to be funny. I didn't think it was funny. I would've been laughing if I thought it was funny. Rather, I was looking at the commercial, thinking, 'What the h__?' (If other posters found it funny, more power to them; that is their opinion and I respect that)

Second, a company spends lots of money with the expectation that people buy their product. Watching this commercial did not make me want to buy a Snickers Bar, or avoid doing so--it had no effect one way or another on my spending habits. So for me, this ad didn't achieve its objective.

(Again, my opinion, no more no less--I have no hidden agenda, or repressed impulses that I'm aware of. In other words, a psychological evaluation is not required or called for, just because people don't like the ad, is all I'm saying.)
Good post Gene. I know what you mean and you said it well.

Bottom line, I think when it comes to SB ads, it is mostly abt "What can we make that will make people TALK?" "What ad can we come up with to make people remember us?" That is the difference between SB ads and regular ads that appear at any other time.

Good post Gene. I know what you mean and you said it well.

Bottom line, I think when it comes to SB ads, it is mostly abt "What can we make that will make people TALK?" "What ad can we come up with to make people remember us?" That is the difference between SB ads and regular ads that appear at any other time.


Good Point Irene, that may be the case

First time I've been on SO today, but I appreciate the positive feedback I've read from several posters. I totally hear what you're saying.

It's kind of interesting to hear the different perceptions of people and the wide-ranging reactions to the commercial. It may not have sold a lot of candy bars, but it did generate a lot of discussion, that's for sure.

I just want you people to know i had a Snickers bar this afternoon.

Still straight.

;)

I just want you people to know i had a Snickers bar this afternoon.

Still straight.

;)



It's ok just as long as u don't share-lol

If a gay man is not a co-worker of mine, there is no other reason for him to be around me. Why is that so hard for you to understand? Why else would I be around a gay man if I wasn;t working wit him??????

You missed my point.

But anyway, does that mean that you'd never be friends with a gay person?

Or maybe that person is secretly black. You know using your theory of you're gay if you don't agree with their lifestyle.

Using my theory, that person is obviously racist.

In Sol's case, he claims not to be homophobic, so therefore it must be something else.

J

Members shouldn't accuse other members of being gay. Too personal.

Members shouldn't accuse other members of being gay. Too personal.


Consider the source. ;)

You missed my point.

But anyway, does that mean that you'd never be friends with a gay person?


Yes

That's a contradiction in terms.

It would be like a white person saying "I don't have a problem with Black employees, just as long as I don't have to work with them!"

No comparison because "gay" is not a race.

No comparison because "gay" is not a race.


I was waiting for someone to tell him that-lol I just didn't feel like wasting my time with it

I was waiting for someone to tell him that-lol I just didn't feel like wasting my time with it
"J"'s next reply will probably be a claim that gays are a race. ;)

Yes
That's sad. :( But that is your decision, we should all support it. I have many gay friends, they're awesome. All of my friends are. :)

No comparison because "gay" is not a race.


Prejudice is not just racial

That's sad. :( But that is your decision, we should all support it. I have many gay friends, they're awesome. All of my friends are. :)



I don't even want anymore straight male friends so why would I want a Gay Guy as a Friends?-lol Have a Gay guy as a friend for what????

I don't even want anymore straight male friends so why would I want a Gay Guy as a Friends?-lol Have a Gay guy as a friend for what????
As a friend! lol No one can have too many friends. :)

I have watched this thread grow into a gay/anti gay thread and I find it amusing that not one person has actually brought up the reason the ad was pulled in the first place.

It wasn't because two men were kissing, it was because after the accidental kiss, the two men said "quick we have to do something MANLY" and then proceeded to rip chest hair from their body. Implying that 2 men kissing was not manly.



Personally I have no issue with gays/lesbians and have a few friends that are homosexual HOWEVER I am not comfortable hearing details of their sex lives nor watching it. Did I like the commercial, No I found it disturbing. Do I hate gays or am I homophobic, No.

15-20 years ago people were uncomfortable seeing tampon commercials or sex on TV because they were not accustomed to it. I think that is the category this commercial falls into.

I don't even want anymore straight male friends so why would I want a Gay Guy as a Friends?-lol Have a Gay guy as a friend for what????


Funny thing is Sol, I have met more gorgeous women through my gay guy friend than I ever have hanging out with my straight friends.

I have no problem with gay men. I have known a couple in my life and they are just normal guys.

I have watched this thread grow into a gay/anti gay thread and I find it amusing that not one person has actually brought up the reason the ad was pulled in the first place.

It wasn't because two men were kissing, it was because after the accidental kiss, the two men said "quick we have to do something MANLY" and then proceeded to rip chest hair from their body. Implying that 2 men kissing was not manly.



Personally I have no issue with gays/lesbians and have a few friends that are homosexual HOWEVER I am not comfortable hearing details of their sex lives nor watching it. Did I like the commercial, No I found it disturbing. Do I hate gays or am I homophobic, No.

15-20 years ago people were uncomfortable seeing tampon commercials or sex on TV because they were not accustomed to it. I think that is the category this commercial falls into.



They are still hard for me to watch-lol

Yes

THEN YOU'RE HOMOPHOBIC!!!

That's what I've been trying to tell you! :rolleyes:

THEN YOU'RE HOMOPHOBIC!!!

That's what I've been trying to tell you! :rolleyes:



You can call it whatever you want-lol I still feel the same

"J"'s next reply will probably be a claim that gays are a race. ;)

Ageism, sexism, racism, etc....

They are all prejudices, and one is no worse than the other.

You can call it whatever you want-lol I still feel the same

I call it as it is.

At least you're finally honest about it though.

I call it as it is.

At least you're finally honest about it though.


Well if that was the case I would have never socialized with the Gay guy I worked with 8 years ago. I'm just saying I prefer not to see it around me

Ageism, sexism, racism, etc....

They are all prejudices, and one is no worse than the other.
Blacks are a race; homosexuals are not. I had a feeling I would have to explain it further! ;)

Your example could not be compared because it was "being seen with blacks" (a race) VS "being seen with gays" (not a race).
Yes, there are prejudices against other things than race, but you tried lumping prejudice against blacks with prejudice against gays.

Blacks are a race; homosexuals are not. I had a feeling I would have to explain it further! ;)

Your example could not be compared because it was "being seen with blacks" (a race) VS "being seen with gays" (not a race).
Yes, there are prejudices against other things than race, but you tried lumping prejudice against blacks with prejudice against gays.
Easy Tony, you may end up on the couch, getting analyzed and having your brain picked apart if you don't watch your step, lol.

Easy Tony, you may end up on the couch, getting analyzed and having your brain picked apart if you don't watch your step, lol.
Well, if that happens, it will be Jie3 who put me there! :D

Blacks are a race; homosexuals are not. I had a feeling I would have to explain it further! ;)

Your example could not be compared because it was "being seen with blacks" (a race) VS "being seen with gays" (not a race).
Yes, there are prejudices against other things than race, but you tried lumping prejudice against blacks with prejudice against gays.


How does that not compare? Not being seen with blacks vs not being seen with gays seems like a pretty reasonable comparisin of prejudice. Either scenario has one person/group not wanting to be seen with another because of personal bias

Alright, as a homosexual I found NOTHING homophobic about the commerical. I'm pretty sure the infamous GLAAD was behind this, considering they are FOREVER bitching about everything!

I'm going to have to agree with Fleet and others on this.. you cannot compare being black with being gay. So whoever is making this lame statement, please stop! Someone's color and someone's sexuality is two different issues(and since this has NOTHING to do with the topic, i'm not going to go into to that)

Furthermore, A thread about a COMMERICAL has turned into a anti-gay vs. pro-gay thread, why in the blue hell?!!! People, stay on topic, it's about a commerical, not who's sleeping with whom, I don't give a damn who you sleep with, that's your business...

And i'm tired of people who accuse people of being 'in the closet' or in 'denial' about being gay because they happen to disagree with being gay(NOT gay people themselves, but the whole lifestyle, after all, this is America.) Saying this comment is a slap in the face to those who had to struggle with their own sexuality, making ASSumptions about someone's sexuality is completely stupid...

Okay back on the COMMERICAL(This has turned into The View meets The O'Reilly Factor), I found nothing wrong with the commerical, just the part of using the whole 'gay is fashionable' thing is pointless. I'm sorry, when were a group of people ever 'fashionable'? Snickers only did this to create buzz and get people talking, which by the looks of the pointless aruging on this thread, has.:rolleyes:

How does that not compare? Not being seen with blacks vs not being seen with gays seems like a pretty reasonable comparisin of prejudice. Either scenario has one person/group not wanting to be seen with another because of personal bias
See the post (#130) following yours.

See the post (#130) following yours.


The comparisin was not black vs gay it was prejudice vs prejudice.

Furthermore, A thread about a COMMERICAL has turned into a anti-gay vs. pro-gay thread, why in the blue hell?!!!

It might have headed there anyway but Mr.Cranky did a great job steering it towards the gay vs anti-gay debate.

Again the reason why it was pulled was not because of the "kiss" but because of the manly statement made immediately afterward.

It might have headed there anyway but Mr.Cranky did a great job steering it towards the gay vs anti-gay debate.

Again the reason why it was pulled was not because of the "kiss" but because of the manly statement made immediately afterward.
Yeah I did all that Lex. Cry, whine and nag. Give it a rest. This became a gay debate when the gay organizations had the ad pulled off the air. And stop patting yourself on the back that you figured out the real issue with the ad. We all know what it's about and it's been addressed in the thread. Open your eyes.

See the post (#130) following yours.

I do have to agree with you. The color of one's skin and the sexuality of a person doesn't go hand in hand.

I'm sick of GLAAD and other gay organizations(yes, i'm about to go there). For years, they wanted NOTHING to do with blacks but when they are being put under the spotlight, they want the blacks to have their backs.. please:rolleyes: .

A black person cannot hide being black but a homosexual sure as hell can. Blacks struggled a LOT more than gays so comparing being black and being gay sounds completely...how should I say this.. LAME!!

Sorry for going off topic, but I just had to end the nonsense of being black vs. gay, like gays would win in the "I've struggled more than you, so we are the same."

It might have headed there anyway but Mr.Cranky did a great job steering it towards the gay vs anti-gay debate.

Again the reason why it was pulled was not because of the "kiss" but because of the manly statement made immediately afterward.

Oh, my whole post wasn't directed towards you, that part was for those who had turned a simple Snickers commerical into a 9th grade debate class..:rolleyes:

Yeah I did all that Lex. Cry, whine and nag. Give it a rest. This became a gay debate when the gay organizations had the ad pulled off the air. And stop patting yourself on the back that you figured out the real issue with the ad. We all know what it's about and it's been addressed in the thread. Open your eyes.


Not crying, bitching or nagging Mr.Cranky just pointing out your direction in this thread as you seem so apt to point fingers at others.

I belive the only crying done on this post was by you, whining about a "serious" personal attack on page 2.

:crybaby: :crybaby: Who is the C.O.P. in this thread?

The question is rhetorical not need for another whiny response

Pull up the soapboxes and turn up the microphones. I predict another gays are great thread. 10 page minimum. Anyone wanna start a pool?

What's wrong with gay people?

I don't think there's anything wrong with homosexuality at all.

I do have to agree with you. The color of one's skin and the sexuality of a person doesn't go hand in hand.

It appears Lex has yet to learn that. ;)

Not crying, bitching or nagging Mr.Cranky just pointing out your direction in this thread as you seem so apt to point fingers at others.

I belive the only crying done on this post was by you, whining about a "serious" personal attack on page 2.


The question is rhetorical not need for another whiny response
Never wrote the word "serious". I've got thick skin but nobody takes kindly to being told to stfu. You'll never find me whining. There's a few whinebags around here but I'm not one of them.

What's wrong with gay people?

I don't think there's anything wrong with homosexuality at all.
I never posted that there's anything wrong with gays.

I never posted that there's anything wrong with gays.

That's true; maybe I just didn't understand what you meant. What's wrong with a thread about gay people being great, though?

Hey Mr. Cranky, you were right! We are up to 10 pages and counting! LOL

That's true; maybe I just didn't understand what you meant. What's wrong with a thread about gay people being great, though?

When it is thread after thread after thread of it simply because someone disagrees with the lifestyle, it gets annoying. Heaven forbid, there are people out there who don't agree with the lifestyle.

When it is thread after thread after thread of it simply because someone disagrees with the lifestyle, it gets annoying. Heaven forbid, there are people out there who don't agree with the lifestyle.


And if don't agree with the lifestyle you are automically criticized-lol

And if don't agree with the lifestyle you are automically criticized-lol
Or you're gay.

When it is thread after thread after thread of it simply because someone disagrees with the lifestyle, it gets annoying. Heaven forbid, there are people out there who don't agree with the lifestyle.
You don't understand. My sister/brother/cousin/mother/father/colleague/barber (take your pick) is gay and the world is so cruel to them. OH THE HUMANITY! :shocked
Ease up folks. I'm kidding.

The Snickers commercial sucks!

I think the executives at the MARs corporation (I think that's who makes Snickers...) are "snickering" over this whole thing-it's got alot of people talking about Snickers bars--hey, their sales might go through the roof!

Hmmm, a Snickers bar sounds good now....

And if don't agree with the lifestyle you are automically criticized-lol


Exactly, it's like oh you don't like the gay lifestyle; YOU ARE A HOMOPHOBE! Better yet, you must be gay yourself! :rolleyes:

I think the executives at the MARs corporation (I think that's who makes Snickers...) are "snickering" over this whole thing-it's got alot of people talking about Snickers bars--hey, their sales might go through the roof!

Hmmm, a Snickers bar sounds good now....



You know I forgot all about MARS BAR, I will buy 2 of those Today-LOL

You don't understand. My sister/brother/cousin/mother/father/colleague/barber (take your pick) is gay and the world is so cruel to them.


Isn't that ALWAYS the case!

You know I forgot all about MARS BAR, I will buy 2 of those Today-LOL


C'mon Solomon! Everybody know a REAL MAN's candy bar is a Milky Way! LOL ;)

C'mon Solomon! Everybody know a REAL MAN's candy bar is a Milky Way! LOL ;)


YUCK, I hated Milky Way

It will be interesting to see what happens if Hillary gets the nomination. She's spoken out against gay marriage.

It will be interesting to see what happens if Hillary gets the nomination. She's spoken out against gay marriage.


She's gay!

And if don't agree with the lifestyle you are automically criticized-lol
It's not a lifestyle. My daughter is gay. She knew when she was ten that she had these feelings...she was so distraught abt those feelings she had feelings of suicide because she had to live in a world that was not exactly "accepting" of the fact that homosexuals are BORN, not made. I knew when she was 4 years old that she may be "different". I was right. She didn't wake up one day and decide to have a lifestyle that would cause her ridicule, that would cause people to chastise her, that would not be easy on her. She was BORN THIS WAY. No different than me being born a brunette, or someone being born black, or someone being born deaf.

It's not a lifestyle. My daughter is gay. She knew when she was ten that she had these feelings...she was so distraught abt those feelings she had feelings of suicide because she had to live in a world that was not exactly "accepting" of the fact that homosexuals are BORN, not made. I knew when she was 4 years old that she may be "different". I was right. She didn't wake up one day and decide to have a lifestyle that would cause her ridicule, that would cause people to chastise her, that would not be easy on her. She was BORN THIS WAY. No different than me being born a brunette, or someone being born black, or someone being born deaf.
You're right Irene, it's not a choice. My brother is gay, and he says, "As if I'd choose this BS!" Sometimes I wish he was straight, and only because his life would be easier. Gay men, a lot have commitment issues. My brother is 37 and alone. I wish he was married with kids...with a guy or a gal.

You're right Irene, it's not a choice. My brother is gay, and he says, "As if I'd choose this BS!" Sometimes I wish he was straight, and only because his life would be easier. Gay men, a lot have commitment issues. My brother is 37 and alone. I wish he was married with kids...with a guy or a gal.
I remember. We have soooo much in common Janice.:D

There was a time when she thought she was bisexual, but she learned that it was "society" that was making her feel this way because she was only wanting to do what was the "norm". When I took her to therapy, she finally felt great abt herself and when she realized I was accepting and loving her no matter what, that was all she needed to help her move on. She was worried that I would hate her. I never gave her reason to think this. If anything, it's my sister who has a real hard time with this. But I told her like I say to others, she was BORN GAY, she didn't choose.

You're right Irene, it's not a choice. My brother is gay, and he says, "As if I'd choose this BS!" Sometimes I wish he was straight, and only because his life would be easier. Gay men, a lot have commitment issues. My brother is 37 and alone. I wish he was married with kids...with a guy or a gal.
Sorry Guys(girls), but that is your opinion. Prove to me that someone is "born" gay. And someone "feeling" that they were doesn't count.
There are too many influences, especially nowadays, ready to mislead kids at those confusing, early years into thinking that what they are experiencing is something more than what it is. Simple childhood confusion and growing up.

I remember. We have soooo much in common Janice.:D

There was a time when she thought she was bisexual, but she learned that it was "society" that was making her feel this way because she was only wanting to do what was the "norm". When I took her to therapy, she finally felt great abt herself and when she realized I was accepting and loving her no matter what, that was all she needed to help her move on. She was worried that I would hate her. I never gave her reason to think this. If anything, it's my sister who has a real hard time with this. But I told her like I say to others, she was BORN GAY, she didn't choose.
I'm glad it worked out well for your daughter. My brother didn't come out (even to himself) until he was 25. I mean he wasn't having relationships with men, without his family knowing. He was living a lie and trying to date women. My mother was okay with it. It took my father a while to get used to it. He was a retired longshoreman, John Wayne type. It was his only son. He came around though, and he ended up welcoming my brother's boyfriends, even had a backyard full of gay guys over for a cookout. I can still see my Dad working the grill while my brother and about 20 of his gay friends were swimming and playing volley ball.

I remember my own husband said to me at first, "But I always loved your brother." I told him that he'll continue to love him. Who cares what a person's doing with who. I have enough of my own problems to care about who's doing who. :lol:

And hey, being bi-sexual wouldn't be so bad. Talk about a wide open playing field, lol. One thing I love about my brother is his ability to joke about it. He calls himself a ***. He impersonates Jack from Will & Grace. It's hilarious actually, the things he says. When he first came out, he was defensive about it, but now he jokes all the time about it.

Sorry Guys(girls), but that is your opinion. Prove to me that someone is "born" gay. And someone "feeling" that they were doesn't count.
There are too many influences, especially nowadays, ready to mislead kids at those confusing, early years into thinking that what they are experiencing is something more than what it is. Simple childhood confusion and growing up.
The only proof I have is my brother telling me that he was never attraced to women in his entire life, and was always attracted to men. He was never confused about anything. He tried to deny it to himself, but it was there from the beginning.

Sorry Guys(girls), but that is your opinion. Prove to me that someone is "born" gay. And someone "feeling" that they were doesn't count.
There are too many influences, especially nowadays, ready to mislead kids at those confusing, early years into thinking that what they are experiencing is something more than what it is. Simple childhood confusion and growing up.
I know that when my daughter was 4 years old and saying things to me that seemed so out of place for a child so young to say, certain things she did, right down to clothes and how she saw the world around her. I was thinking she was a child prodigy, then my thinking turned to "I think she may grow up and want a sex change." I wrote everything down in my journal, a journal that I shared with her when she got older. She is now 18 and she tells me that she had this weird feeling inside of her that she was "not normal"...I don't know any 4 year old that had feelings abt how "abnormal" they are. When I think back to that time, there were sooooo many signs and I only caught a few of them, yet, I kinda figured it out. I was thinking that she was also one of those people who thought they should have been born the opposite sex. I was preparing myself for her to tell me she should have been born a boy.

I remember. We have soooo much in common Janice.:D

There was a time when she thought she was bisexual, but she learned that it was "society" that was making her feel this way because she was only wanting to do what was the "norm". When I took her to therapy, she finally felt great abt herself and when she realized I was accepting and loving her no matter what, that was all she needed to help her move on. She was worried that I would hate her. I never gave her reason to think this. If anything, it's my sister who has a real hard time with this. But I told her like I say to others, she was BORN GAY, she didn't choose.
Irene, may I ask how your ex/late husband handled it?

Irene, may I ask how your ex/late husband handled it?
When my daughter told her dad, he was not happy abt it. He had turned his life around and had become a born again christian. So, being a devout christian, he was of the belief that she was committing a sin and she would go to hell. He didn't treat her differently. He cried. He opened his arms to her and said no matter what he loved her. He came to the realization that I had been correct when I had told him many years prior that I was almost certain that she would either be a lesbian or would want a sex change. He was so angry that I would say that abt our daughter who was only 6 years old at the time. He was ANGRY!:mad: I remember when he phoned me and told me, "My God, you were so right all along." He loved her to death til the day he died.

Irene, every time I chat with you, either via PM, e:mail or on the boards, I end up with tears in my eyes. ;) Just reliving the days of my father coming to terms with his son coming out.

Irene, every time I chat with you, either via PM, e:mail or on the boards, I end up with tears in my eyes. ;) Just reliving the days of my father coming to terms with his son coming out.
That must have been something. I know my dad never knew abt my daughter but he would have been accepting. My dad was very quiet, only a handful of times did I see him cry.
Your dad eventually coming around and having your brother's friends over while barbecuing shows that a parents' love for their child is never-ending. I am glad your father opened up his mind and saw that no matter what, his son is still his son. Making babies, having a wife, etc. doesn't make a guy a man. What your dad did by accepting his son for HOW HE WAS BORN shows how much of a man your father was. I am sure your brother felt such a relief, especially since we live in this world where people think that there are those who "choose" to be gay and choose to be harassed, threatened, treated like garbage and the plague.

That must have been something. I know my dad never knew abt my daughter but he would have been accepting. My dad was very quiet, only a handful of times did I see him cry.
Your dad eventually coming around and having your brother's friends over while barbecuing shows that a parents' love for their child is never-ending. I am glad your father opened up his mind and saw that no matter what, his son is still his son. Making babies, having a wife, etc. doesn't make a guy a man. What your dad did by accepting his son for HOW HE WAS BORN shows how much of a man your father was. I am sure your brother felt such a relief, especially since we live in this world where people think that there are those who "choose" to be gay and choose to be harassed, threatened, treated like garbage and the plague.
Acceptance did come, but it wasn't overnight. I remember my mother telling me that when my brother first came out, and she told him (my brother told her), she saw my father sitting on side of the bed, crying. He thought nobody saw him. Now when I say that my father was the John Wayne type, I'm not kidding. Big union, longshoreman for almost 50 years. They don't cry. I felt sad for my father. He was a wonderful husband, father....we had a fairytale childhood....non-working mother at home, we never wanted for anything.

My Dad didn't have a hateful bone in his body. I think that people are products of their environments. When I think of him crying over his only son being gay, I feel bad about it. That image. He was a good man, a great man actually.

Acceptance did come, but it wasn't overnight. I remember my mother telling me that when my brother first came out, and she told him (my brother told her), she saw my father sitting on side of the bed, crying. He thought nobody saw him. Now when I say that my father was the John Wayne type, I'm not kidding. Big union, longshoreman for almost 50 years. They don't cry. I felt sad for my father. He was a wonderful husband, father....we had a fairytale childhood....non-working mother at home, we never wanted for anything.

My Dad didn't have a hateful bone in his body. I think that people are products of their environments. When I think of him crying over his only son being gay, I feel bad about it. That image. He was a good man, a great man actually.
Acceptance did come, and that is what matters the most. It takes time, especially for men like your father. I can only imagine what went through his mind. He was a great man, because he loved his son, no matter what. There are so many people out there who fight with their kids for stupid things, children who hate their families, their up-bringing and so forth. Look at poor Anna Nicole and how it ended for her. Your father opened up and left this world giving your brother what he needed the most, HIS LOVE AND ACCEPTANCE. So many parents give up on their kids and leave loose ends. We were blessed to have parents who loved us and gave us wonderful memories. Your brother I am sure is thankful that he got to share happy times with your father in the end. Your father could have left this world leaving your brother feeling unwanted and unloved. But he didn't. He gave him his heart and what a wonderful example of love from a father to a son. I know my father adored my brother and when my brother passed away, my father cried. It hurt me because my father took care of my brother til the end. He visited him in the nursing home that he spent his last years in. My father was there EVERY SINGLE DAY twice a day for the years my brother was there. Our fathers are great examples of what real men are. :D

Heaven forbid, there are people out there who don't agree with the lifestyle.

What is it about the lifesyle that you and others disagree with?

Sorry Guys(girls), but that is your opinion. Prove to me that someone is "born" gay. And someone "feeling" that they were doesn't count.
There are too many influences, especially nowadays, ready to mislead kids at those confusing, early years into thinking that what they are experiencing is something more than what it is. Simple childhood confusion and growing up.

Prove to me that I "chose" to be gay then. No one chooses to be gay, this is an uneducated and ignorant statement by one who has no idea what they are talking about.

Hmm, influences... huh, growing up in the 80's and 90's, there was barely any homosexuals on T.V until I graduated from High School, my childhood was NOT confusing, tragic, but not confusing. No one can be influenced to be gay, I don't care how weak minded you are, if that was the case, then my best friend who grew up with a gay father would have been a lesbian a long time ago.

BTW: I grew up just fine;)

What is it about the lifesyle that you and others disagree with?

I think people should mind their business and worry about THEIR own lives rather than waste their time a disagree with someone's 'lifestyle'. It's simple as that, don't you think?

There are FAR too many problems in the world right now, who someone goes to bed with shouldn't be in the top 100!

FLEET:I'm sorry, but it makes me upset that gays compare themselves to African-Americans, blacks put up with faaaaaaar to much s**t and still do...

I think people should mind their business and worry about THEIR own lives rather than waste their time a disagree with someone's 'lifestyle'. It's simple as that, don't you think?

Well, I don't really want to tell people what they should and shouldn't be doing. I just want to know what it is about the gay lifestyle that some people here disagree with, as I don't see any problem with it.

So I'm interested to know what it is about it that some disagree with.

What is it about the lifesyle that you and others disagree with?


Guess

I never thought someone can BECOME gay, I always believed it's something you are born with. It was always in a person to be gay. Just like I always thought it sounded dumb when a women said she is about to turn into a lesbian because of bad luck with men. I always said that was BULL because for her to say that it must have been something she was always curious about and had nothing to do with bad luck with men. I have had the WORST luck of any guy with women and have no intentions to start dating men

Guess

I can't. I don't have any idea what it is that you, and some of the others, disagree with about the gay lifestyle. Could you please tell me what you disagree with and explain why?

Surely the gay lifestyle isn't really any different than the "straight" lifestyle, anyway? I mean - they have relationships, they live together, they have jobs...it's normal stuff.

Wow, I missed a lot. :lol:

I haven't even seen this commercial

Wow, I missed a lot. :lol:

I haven't even seen this commercial

I can take care of that for you.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EjuXbYW6KmE

I can't. I don't have any idea what it is that you, and some of the others, disagree with about the gay lifestyle. Could you please tell me what you disagree with and explain why?

Surely the gay lifestyle isn't really any different than the "straight" lifestyle, anyway? I mean - they have relationships, they live together, they have jobs...it's normal stuff.


If you don't know the answer, then I am not telling you. You may be young, but naive?

If you don't know the answer, then I am not telling you.

Why not? What's the problem with telling me?

Men cannot stand seeing two men love each other, whether it's kissing, hugging, holding hands, etc. But they have no issue with two pretty ladies doing the same thing.

Men cannot stand seeing two men love each other, whether it's kissing, hugging, holding hands, etc. But they have no issue with two pretty ladies doing the same thing.

What's your point-lol

What's your point-lol
Answering Sharop.

Men cannot stand seeing two men love each other, whether it's kissing, hugging, holding hands, etc. But they have no issue with two pretty ladies doing the same thing.



You got that right-lol

Irene is right. and also, it seems that men are more turned on by seeing lesbians loving eachother than women are of gay men loving eachother.

Irene is right. and also, it seems that men are more turned on by seeing lesbians loving eachother than women are of gay men loving eachother.


I don't think no one wants to see two men kissing but a gay man. So i will say your statement is a 100% correct

Why not? What's the problem with telling me?

Oy vey! You are a really sweet kid, but if you don't know the answer, then forget it.

What's your point-lol

:lol:

You got that right-lol
So, all this hoopla on this thread, going back and forth, bickering, saying stupid stuff could have easily been put to a stop by simply saying that. :lol:

Men, IF THEY ONLY KNEW HOW TO JUST GET TO THE POINT. :crazy:

Men, IF THEY ONLY KNEW HOW TO JUST GET TO THE POINT. :crazy:


Man Hater!!! ;)

Man Hater!!! ;)
:lol:

Call it what you want dear. :D

:lol:

Call it what you want dear. :D


Don't hate the Player, Hate the Game-lol

All this over a Snicker's bar..:lol:

Don't hate the Player, Hate the Game-lol


Right On! LOL

Oy vey! You are a really sweet kid, but if you don't know the answer, then forget it.

Is it because you don't want to tell me publicly? You could tell me privately.

You've got me wanting to know, now, though. Because I have no problem with homosexuality, or the lifestyles that gay people lead (unless their lifestyles include crime, beating people up, or something like that) and I would really like to know what it is that others disagree with.

Can you tell me why you won't tell me?

Prove to me that I "chose" to be gay then. No one chooses to be gay, this is an uneducated and ignorant statement by one who has no idea what they are talking about.I don't have to prove anything to you. It could be any number of reasons(Environment, upbringing, influences-not just tv, abuse and the guilt you feel about it, etc). But to be honest I don't really give a rat's arse why you chose to be gay.
My request was directed toward those who assert that you are "born gay" as if it is absolute gospel, using only statements like "he/she always knew they were" or "I always knew he/she was "different"". As if being different automatically means that you have homosexual leanings(something the activists would like you to believe - another of those pesky influences)
If you want "proof" you can review any post I have made on the subject in the past - probably on the politics board - complete with facts and the sources for those facts.
I have no desire to dredge all that up again for someone who is not going to believe the truth anyway.
Or just do a search on the Hamer Study. That's the one that purportedly showed a "gay gene" which was supposed to prove that people are "born gay". Then do a little more research and you'll find that it has since been discredited and debunked many times over for faulty and biased research.
Yet that faded idea is still used by uneducated and ignorant gay activists, and their supporters, as their "proof" that you are "born gay".

Hmm, influences... huh, growing up in the 80's and 90's, there was barely any homosexuals on T.V You're kidding, right?
Homosexuals have been subtly promoting their ideas on tv for decades, but especially in the 80's and 90's. You never watched Bosom Buddies(two men dressing up as women), Kate and Allie(two women with kids living together), My Two Dads(two men with kids living together), etc).
But on those programs the men liked women and the women liked men, right?
The word 'subtly' is the key. And the exposure and normalization of "different" family lifestyles was/is the goal.
Has it been working?
You tell me.
Think about it.

No one can be influenced to be gay, I don't care how weak minded you are, if that was the case, then my best friend who grew up with a gay father would have been a lesbian a long time ago.Then with that kind of logic, a kid with a father who is a minister will grow up to be Pope. C'mon now.
And you call me uneducated and ignorant(name-calling and degradation of a person you disagree with - the calling card of the liberal arguer, btw).

I think people are born gay.

I think there are some gay people who do choose to be gay, but I do believe that there are lots of gay people who were born gay, just like straight people are born straight.

Although there may not be any proof, I do believe it.

I think people are born gay.

I think there are some gay people who do choose to be gay, but I do believe that there are lots of gay people who were born gay, just like straight people are born straight.

Although there may not be any proof, I do believe it.

I agree with you. It seems that some people want to try it out and see what it's like to be gay/lesbian, and others were always attracted to the same sex and did not choose it.

I never thought someone can BECOME gay, I always believed it's something you are born with. It was always in a person to be gay. Just like I always thought it sounded dumb when a women said she is about to turn into a lesbian because of bad luck with men. I always said that was BULL because for her to say that it must have been something she was always curious about and had nothing to do with bad luck with men. I have had the WORST luck of any guy with women and have no intentions to start dating men

LMAO! I always hated that too, honestly, don't worry about it because a lot of women who use this excuse say this only for attention!!;)

Pull up the soapboxes and turn up the microphones. I predict another gays are great thread. 10 page minimum. Anyone wanna start a pool?

:soapbox: :singer: :soapbox: :singer: :soapbox: :singer: :soapbox: :singer: :soapbox: :singer:

And yet, you are contributing to this thread:rolleyes: .

I don't have to prove anything to you. .

Because you have nothing to prove..... This whole thing is about a SNICKERS COMMERICAL but yet, you found the time to talk about something COMPELETELY different.

I think you should mind your business and leave your "logic" out of people's bedrooms..:rolleyes:

And yet, you are contributing to this thread:rolleyes: .
Thanks for bumping up that beautiful post of mine. I sure do appreciate it. Would you please bump it up once per page for me? Thx. :D

If people don't want to talk about homosexuality, we could talk about the Beach Boys. Or Home Alone.

But come on, guys! Can't you at least tell me why you won't tell me what it is you disagree with about the gay lifestyle?

Please, please, please... :)

If people don't want to talk about homosexuality, we could talk about the Beach Boys. Or Home Alone.

But come on, guys! Can't you at least tell me why you won't tell me what it is you disagree with about the gay lifestyle?

Please, please, please... :)
Some disagree with the gay lifestyle due to their religious or moral beliefs.

Some disagree with the gay lifestyle due to their religious or moral beliefs.
Right. It is an immoral lifestyle, as determined not by me, but by God.
Now I suppose there will be 10 or 15 people jumping down my throat after my post (which happens on every thread like this).

Right. It is an immoral lifestyle, as determined not by me, but by God.
Now I suppose there will be 10 or 15 people jumping down my throat after my post (which happens on every thread like this).
Another 10 pages on the horizon. lol.

Another 10 pages on the horizon. lol.
I wouldn't be surprised! :lol:

It's not a lifestyle. My daughter is gay. She knew when she was ten that she had these feelings...she was so distraught abt those feelings she had feelings of suicide because she had to live in a world that was not exactly "accepting" of the fact that homosexuals are BORN, not made. I knew when she was 4 years old that she may be "different". I was right. She didn't wake up one day and decide to have a lifestyle that would cause her ridicule, that would cause people to chastise her, that would not be easy on her. She was BORN THIS WAY. No different than me being born a brunette, or someone being born black, or someone being born deaf.
AMEN GIRL!, I agree with you 100%. I can tell that you are very proud of your daughter:)
I have a someone in my family, (whom is gay), and guess what, I do not care, neither, does my family, he is a great guy, handsome, intelligent and kind (and that is all that matters); this ridiculous nonsense, that you DECIDE to be gay!; give me a freaking break!
It sickens me that people, who are homosexual, are still looked down upon (and this is the 21st century); remember, folks, LOVE IS BLIND! and love is beautiful, regardless, that you happen to be in love with the same gender; people fall in love with another human being, not for their race, creed or in this matter, their sex!

Right. It is an immoral lifestyle, as determined not by me, but by God.
Now I suppose there will be 10 or 15 people jumping down my throat after my post (which happens on every thread like this).

Allow me to oblige ;)

Tell me, does your wife/partner agree that every instruction in the bible should be adhered to in this day and age?

1 Timothy: 2:9 9

"I also want women to dress modestly, with decency and propriety, not with braided hair or gold or pearls or expensive clothes, but with good deeds, appropriate for women who profess to worship God. A woman should learn in quietness and full submission. I do not permit a woman to teach or to have authority over a man; she must be silent. For Adam was formed first, then Eve. And Adam was not the one deceived; it was the woman who was deceived and became a sinner. But women will be saved through childbearing-- if they continue in faith, love and holiness with propriety."

My point is that whilst I respect and acknowledge religious beliefs (I'm Christian myself), it's unfair to disregard some teachings of your religion because it suits, and then use other aspects of it to support an argument.

Allow me to oblige ;)

Tell me, does your wife/partner agree that every instruction in the bible should be adhered to in this day and age?

1 Timothy: 2:9 9

"I also want women to dress modestly, with decency and propriety, not with braided hair or gold or pearls or expensive clothes, but with good deeds, appropriate for women who profess to worship God. A woman should learn in quietness and full submission. I do not permit a woman to teach or to have authority over a man; she must be silent. For Adam was formed first, then Eve. And Adam was not the one deceived; it was the woman who was deceived and became a sinner. But women will be saved through childbearing-- if they continue in faith, love and holiness with propriety."

My point is that whilst I respect and acknowledge religious beliefs (I'm Christian myself), it's unfair to disregard some teachings of your religion because it suits, and then use other aspects of it to support an argument.
Here we go again! :rolleyes:

Maybe you would understand better what's in the Bible if you went to church? (Assuming you don't go currently.)

BTW, maybe if Hillary went by the quote you posted, more people would like her. :D She sure isn't quiet!

Right. It is an immoral lifestyle, as determined not by me, but by God.

I don't believe that everything in the Bible is the word of God.

I believe there is a lot of truth in the Bible, but I believe that God doesn't have a problem with homosexuality. In the Conversations With God books, God says He doesn't.

I believe that when the Bible spoke out against Christianity, it was the writer airing the views of the time, and not the views of God.

I don't believe that everything in the Bible is the word of God.

I believe there is a lot of truth in the Bible, but I believe that God doesn't have a problem with homosexuality. In the Conversations With God books, God says He doesn't.

I believe that when the Bible spoke out against Christianity, it was the writer airing the views of the time, and not the views of God.

The Bible was written over 1,000 years ago. I personally believe that the writers of the Bible could have thrown their own opinions and beliefs into their writing. I am not saying that's true but it's my opinion. Also, who is to say that the Bible tells us what God thinks, rather than what people thought God thinks?

The Bible was written over 1,000 years ago. I personally believe that the writers of the Bible could have thrown their own opinions and beliefs into their writing. I am not saying that's true but it's my opinion. Also, who is to say that the Bible tells us what God thinks, rather than what people thought God thinks?


It's a little thing called "Faith." The problem with some people nowadays is they pick and choose what is acceptable to them in them Bible and the rest is interpreted to fit their personal needs.

Here we go again! :rolleyes:

Maybe you would understand better what's in the Bible if you went to church? (Assuming you don't go currently.)

BTW, maybe if Hillary went by the quote you posted, more people would like her. :D She sure isn't quiet!

:eek: Please don't mention that hag Hillary Clinton!!!!:lol:

Thanks for bumping up that beautiful post of mine. I sure do appreciate it. Would you please bump it up once per page for me? Thx. :D

:lol: You are too much..a very humourous person indeed.

Here we go again! :rolleyes:

Maybe you would understand better what's in the Bible if you went to church? (Assuming you don't go currently.)

BTW, maybe if Hillary went by the quote you posted, more people would like her. :D She sure isn't quiet!

Actually, I'm a practicing catholic and attend chapel every Sunday (so you assume wrong), and I've no idea what you're getting at, that's a direct quote from the bible.

As for the Hillary comment (nice avoidance of the issue BTW), the word hypocrite springs to mind. You're quick enough to get mad when a thread goes in the 'so called' gays are great direction, but have no problem trying turn them into GOPs are great threads.:D

It's a little thing called "Faith." The problem with some people nowadays is they pick and choose what is acceptable to them in them Bible and the rest is interpreted to fit their personal needs.

:eek: The devil better look out his woolies, hell has just frozen over. For once, we agree 100% :lol:

That's exactly what I was saying in my post


My point is that whilst I respect and acknowledge religious beliefs (I'm Christian myself), it's unfair to disregard some teachings of your religion because it suits, and then use other aspects of it to support an argument.

The Bible was written over 1,000 years ago. I personally believe that the writers of the Bible could have thrown their own opinions and beliefs into their writing. I am not saying that's true but it's my opinion. Also, who is to say that the Bible tells us what God thinks, rather than what people thought God thinks?

You are wise beyond your years :)

Actually, I'm a practicing catholic and attend chapel every Sunday (so you assume wrong), and I've no idea what you're getting at, that's a direct quote from the bible.

Another direct quote from the bible says that man shall not lie with another man in a way he does with a woman.

As for the Hillary comment (nice avoidance of the issue BTW), the word hypocrite springs to mind. You're quick enough to get mad when a thread goes in the 'so called' gays are great direction, but have no problem trying turn them into GOPs are great threads.:D


Relax, I was just poking fun (or, posting a fact to be more accurate) at Hillary. You have no problem when others poke fun at Bush, do you?

You are wise beyond your years :)
No, he's not because he lacks faith.

:eek: Please don't mention that hag Hillary Clinton!!!!:lol:
:lol: "Hag!"
Sorry I brought her name up!

It's a little thing called "Faith." The problem with some people nowadays is they pick and choose what is acceptable to them in them Bible and the rest is interpreted to fit their personal needs.

Well, I don't believe everything that's in the Bible, but I don't think I'm interpreting things to fit my needs.

I just genuinely don't believe that God has a problem with homosexuality. Like I said, in the Conversations With God books (which are good) He says he doesn't have a problem with it.

I think the Bible is a great book, but I do think that the writers did sometimes add their own beliefs/beliefs of the time in there, instead of writing what God believed.

So, yes - I personally don't think that God has a problem with homosexuality.

To all those who disagree with homosexuality - do you admire the work of any gay celebrities? Elton John, for instance - I think he's talented.

You believe a book written in 1995 by one person more than a book thousands of years old?

You believe a book written in 1995 by one person more than a book thousands of years old?
A lot of people believe in God, but don't believe in the bible.

A lot of people believe in God, but don't believe in the bible.
And that's their choice. But the two do go hand-in-hand. After all, when you are in church, you have the Bible with you, not a comic book.

You are wise beyond your years :)
You must be very proud of him.

You believe a book written in 1995 by one person more than a book thousands of years old?

It's a series of three books, not just one book.

Yes, I believe a lot of the stuff in the Conversations With God books. Having said that, there are even some parts in the CWG books that I suspect are only the author's opinions, and not God's, because they seem too judgmental to me.

But yes, I do believe that the books are mainly accurate transcriptions of conversations that the author had with God.

It's a series of three books, not just one book.

I know that but it doesn't matter. It's still a book less than 15 years old compared to a book which is thousands of years old.

But yes, I do believe that the books are mainly accurate transcriptions of conversations that the author had with God.

Well, that's basically what the Bible is. Although more than just one person was involved.

I know that but it doesn't matter. It's still a book less than 15 years old compared to a book which is thousands of years old.

Is the age of the book relevant? Why would the fact that it's a modern book make it seem less believable in your eyes?

The Bible isn't actually structured in the form of conversations with God, though, but the CWG books are. I do believe in Jesus, and I believe in a lot of other stuff in the Bible, but I believe things that God says in the CWG books. For instance, I believe that there is no such place as Hell. I believe that God doesn't punish anyone. I believe that when people die, they create their own reality.

Is the age of the book relevant? Why would the fact that it's a modern book make it seem less believable in your eyes?

The Bible isn't actually structured in the form of conversations with God, though, but the CWG books are. I do believe in Jesus, and I believe in a lot of other stuff in the Bible, but I believe things that God says in the CWG books. For instance, I believe that there is no such place as Hell. I believe that God doesn't punish anyone. I believe that when people die, they create their own reality.
Again, you really can't compare a book less than 15 years old with the Bible. I don't see people walking into church with CWG books instead of the Bible.

You must be very proud of him.

Indeed.

But no need for the jealousy, you're still my favorite. ;)

J

Another direct quote from the bible says that man shall not lie with another man in a way he does with a woman.


Have you forgotten what side of the debate you're on? I anything it should be me that's posting that. It's another example (like the one I pasted about women) which shows that the thousand year old instructions of the bible are not all applicable in this day and age.

You have no problem when others poke fun at Bush, do you?

Alas, it's my Achilles heel. ;)

No, he's not because he lacks faith.

That's not for us to say, but I've seen past contributions from him on this subject, and he's been applauded for his insight, regardless of his beliefs.

That's not for us to say, but I've seen past contributions from him on this subject, and he's been applauded for his insight, regardless of his beliefs.
He thinks the Bible was written by those who "may have put their own opinions in." Hardly what can be called "having faith."

It's not up to you to decide whether or not he has faith. That's God's department.

"Judge not."

Have you forgotten what side of the debate you're on? I anything it should be me that's posting that. It's another example (like the one I pasted about women) which shows that the thousand year old instructions of the bible are not all applicable in this day and age.

There are millions of people who go to church and live their lives according to the "not all applicable in this day and age" bible.

Alas, it's my Achilles heel. ;-)

Right, poking fun at Bush because you can't do anything else. ;)

Right, poking fun at Bush because you can't do anything else. ;)

The same can be said for those who like to envoke the Clintons' names out of thin air.

There are millions of people who go to church and live their lives according to the "not all applicable in this day and age" bible.

I consider myself one of them, yet I'd never dream of stoning my children for misbehaving. Maybe that'll change when/if I become a parent.

And that's their choice. But the two do go hand-in-hand. After all, when you are in church, you have the Bible with you, not a comic book.
:lol: That's the best!

There are just too many unanswered questions for me in the bible. I tried to ask a priest and a theology teacher these questions. They tell me to go to the internet--lmao. Ever since, I stopped believing in the bible.

The same can be said for those who like to invoke the Clintons' names out of thin air.

I consider myself one of them, yet I'd never dream of stoning my children for misbehaving. Maybe that'll change when/if I become a parent.

:wave: I solute you Sir, perfectly put.

That's what I can't seem to get through to him.

If you are willing to admit that some rules of the bible, such as the dis-empowering of women, should no longer apply, then playing the "homosexuality is wrong coz the bible says so" card, just holds no merit at all.

Ever since, I stopped believing in the bible.


Even though I don't go to church anymore, I still read the bible. I used to go to church but I was always disappointed in how they would spend half the service talking about donations. You probably don't know this Kelly, but for a short while a considered being a priest. That's true. Actually I wanted to be a priest who was a psychiatrist like Father Karris in The Exorcist.

Even though I don't go to church anymore, I still read the bible. I used to go to church but I was always disappointed in how they would spend have the service talking about donations. You probably don't know this Kelly, but for a short while a considered being a priest. That's true. Actually I wanted to be a priest who was a psychiatrist like Father Karris in The Exorcist.
Wow I never knew that! My brother wanted to be a priest too. Kudos to you Mike!

Wow I never knew that! My brother wanted to be a priest too. Kudos to you Mike!

Actually, no one here knows it. :lol: It is one of those things I've never mentioned before. I guess because it just never came up. I wanted to be a Jesuit, but in order to be one a person has to have had nothing but A's going all the way back to like Kindergarden. Also, a Jesuit can never be married. And I like women waaaaaay to much to go my entire life without them. :lol:

Actually, no one here knows it. :lol: It is one of those things I've never mentioned before. I guess because it just never came up. I wanted to be a Jesuit, but in order to be one a person has to have had nothing but A's going all the way back to like Kindergarden. Also, a Jesuit can never be married. And I like women waaaaaay to much to go my entire life without them. :lol:
:lol:

The same can be said for those who like to envoke the Clintons' names out of thin air.

Come on... he did some many ridiculous (and illegal) things, he (and she) deserves his name being pulled out of thin air.

I consider myself one of them, yet I'd never dream of stoning my children for misbehaving. Maybe that'll change when/if I become a parent

I don't recall that being in the New Testament.

:lol: That's the best!

There are just too many unanswered questions for me in the bible. I tried to ask a priest and a theology teacher these questions. They tell me to go to the internet--lmao. Ever since, I stopped believing in the bible.
Then what do you live your life by? The Simpsons? American Idol? ;)

There are many unanswered questions in the bible for a reason. We are not supposed to know everything about the world. Some we learn about as we live, some we won't know about until we are in the afterlife. It's all for a reason.

Hey Mr. Cranky, you were right! We are up to 10 pages and counting! LOL

Give that man a prize

http://www.paulkidby.com/images/badges/idiot.png

And yet, you are contributing to this thread:rolleyes: .


Is that what you call it?

Come on... he did some many ridiculous (and illegal) things, he (and she) deserves his name being pulled out of thin air.


http://www.justicefornone.com/images/bush-criminal1.jpg

:lol: :lol: :lol:

The Clinton Criminal Page

Back to the Freedom Page

"Clinton's womanizing had "nothing to do with sex" and everything to do with "this inferiority complex . . . I think he's spent his entire life being scared that he was white trash."
Betsey Wright, Clinton's former chief of staff

The Counter Clinton Library
To counter the November 18, 2004 opening of the Clinton "Library" of LIES!

Recently Added:
Bill Clinton's Role in the Terrorist Attack
September 11, 2001.
This information also connects you to other aspects of the pages on other aspects of this atrocity. There is absolutely no doubt that Blow Job Clinton's horrible administration is largely responsible for the deaths of thousands in about 2 hours.

This is where you'll find facts about the "Rapist" in chief and his co-criminal in chief Hillary. Usama Bin Ladin is one of the Clinton's excuses for bombing a pharmacy company in the Sudan. He did this to divert the public's attention from Monica Lewinsky's fellatio service to "The Rapist" in Chief. Bin Ladin's picture graces the background of this page because he, like Clinton, cares not who gets hurt in persuit of his aims. He, like Clinton, is without conscience. That is the clinical definition of a psychopathic personality.

Now that the Sociopath in Chief is no longer in office I thought it would be a good time to start a page just for his "wife" or whatever she is. Some think that the devil can be seen in her eyes. Her actions speak for themselves. Hillary is a control-freak.

HRC
Hillary Rodham Clinton's Crime Page
Al Gore: VP for Clinton and TWICE College Dropout
Here it is, 2004, and I'm still adding stuff to the Establishment Media's choice for MVP. I never took AlGore seriously because he was soooo stupid. But there's some stuff he's saying now that's just too precious to not include. Enjoy!

Amazing Exposé of the Congressional Acts of Criminality
Threw the Clinton Impeachment Trial: David Schippers!



Click here to read a list of Clinton's Presidential Criminal Firsts

July 13th, 2000: Vast Clinton Cover-Up Exposed!



Big News! Bill Clinton Was Disbarred by the U.S. Supreme Court October 1, 2001

1. Hillary's performance during the Watergate. investigation of Richard Nixon.
2. Crime statistics on the Clinton administration.
3. Hillary's "We Need Health Care" Scam.
4. Cops know Clinton is phony.
5. Clinton's strange foreign policy.
6. The News That Didn't Make the News
7. RAPIST, RAPIST, RAPIST...FOR 30 YEARS!
8. FACISM IN FOCUS-AN INCREDIBLE RANT!!!
9. Flight 800 Coverup.
10. CHINA TRUTH & TREASON
11. WACO! WACO! CLINTON MURDERS BABIES
12. Timothy McVeigh's Deadly "Revenge" for the Waco Holocaust
13. Hillary the hypocrite
14. Hillary's blunders and bloopers
15. Vince Foster's Death Was a Professional "Hit"
16. Our first Black President?
17. CLINTON'S BIGGEST CRIME
18. Lots of stuff on Hillary Clinton
19. Bill's Core Beliefs
20. THE SHOCKING STORY THE PRESS WON'T REPORT: JOHNNY CHUNG UNFILTERED
21. Panama Give-Away
22. FOR SALE, Clinton Star Witness
23. Drug net draws closer around Bill Clinton
24. December 3rd: Clinton OKs Super-supercomputer for China
25. GOP Criticizes Clinton Travel Costs
26. Clinton linked to 'international trafficking in women'
27. Li Ka-Shing: Red Arms Dealer
28. The disbarring of Clinton-first time ever for a sitting president.
29. THE JANE DOE CASE FILES: CLINTON'S LIFETIME OF RAPING WOMEN.
30. The trial of Joseph G.
31. Sex Movies on Air Force One
32. Clinton's Aid "Sid Vicious" Blumenthal Loses His Case Against Matt Drudge!
33. Al Gore's Attempt to Steal the 2000 Election
34. Janet Reno, US Attorney General, The Most Corrupt in US History
35. The Clinton Legacy by Bill O'Reily
36. Dangerous Lies
37. Hillary's Oklahoma Scandal
38. Hillary Snubs Gold Star Mothers PLEASE NOTE: THIS ARTICLE IS A HOAX!
39. Clinton's Staff Trashed the White House When They Left
40. Clintons Stole From the White House Just Before They Left!
41. Randy Weaver's Wife & Son Were Killed by FBI Sharpshooter
42. Pardongate
43. Presidential Biographer Details Clinton Cocaine Use and Violence
44. The China-Spy Blame Game
45. Bill & Hill BOTH Misused Arkansas State Troopers
46. Monica Lewinsky and her Presidential Blow Jobs
47. Israel & the Palestinians: Clinton's Search for a Legacy
48. Bill Clinton: Bystander to Genocide
49. Clinton Rejected Chances to Attack Bin Laden This inaction was the proximate cause of the deaths of thousands of innocent people in Bin Laden's attack on the World Trade Center and the US Pentagon. Read this article!
50. Clinton Equipped Terror Sponsors His giving the Chinese anything they asked for in exchange for money to be re-elected let them plan the attack in complete secrecy.
51. Clinton's Human Rights Policies Wrecked Intelligence: CIA Confirms
52. Clinton Rushes to Beat Bush to Disaster Site BJ Clinton did this just to upstage PRESIDENT GW Bush and cop some feels on the grieving young women. I wouldn't have believed it unless I saw it!
53. Clinton Policies Led to Disaster: Admiral Moorer
54. Clinton's Sale of Weapons to China May Make Nuclear War Necessary
55. Bill Clinton's 80-Hour Gap in his White House Tapes
56. End of the Line Clinton wants a historic 101 year old train depot built by Black slaves to be torn down to make way for the Clinton library.
57. State Supreme Court Upholds Land Seizure for Clinton Library
58. Sudan's Angle How Clinton passed up an opportunity to stop bin Laden.
59. 120,000 Petition Bush to Bring the Clintons to Justice
60. The Democratic Party: A Political Cuspidor Revisited
61. The Clinton's Latest Crime Against Humanity
62. ENRON's Bankruptcy: ANOTHER CLINTON TIME-BOMB
63. Global Crossing's Bankruptcy: Yet Another Clinton Time Bomb!
64. The Oslo Mythology
65. Neighbors of Clinton Call Police to Shut him Up
66. Clinton's Somalia Disaster: 'Black Hawk Down' Doesn't Tell Whole Story
67. How to Destroy a Village: What the Clintons Taught a Seventeen Year Old
68. Clinton Diverted Billions From Pentagon to U.N. Peacekeeping "Missions".
69. Bill Clinton's State of the World An illuminating article on Berkeley's confusion.
70. Do the Crime, Do the Time How Clinton's judicial choices still haunt us.
71. 'Axis of Evil' Country Topped Clinton Aid List Like ALL DEMOCRAPS, CLINTON JUST LOVES DICTATORS, TERRORISTS, AND SUPPORTS THEM WITH YOUR MONEY!
72. "I Wanted to Bomb Khandahar" Sure you did, Blow Job. Don't you remember? You sent tens of millions of American tax dollars to Khandahar; remember?
73. Whites Choose Lincoln, Blacks Choose Clinton as Greatest US Presidents
74. Clinton to Dedicate the Rest of his Life to Redistributing the World's Wealth
75. Decriminalizing Clinton As I said before, Robert Ray as a prosecutor was a fix. He was chosen by the Clinton's to throw the investigation. Check out the lie.
76. Counsel Closes Book on Lewinsky Case
77. Clinton White House Axed Terror-Fund Probe
78. IRS Official to Judicial Watch: Clinton Enemies Were Audited
79. The High Cost of Openness Classified nuclear secrets recklessly exposed!
80. Wen Ho Re-Redux How Clinton's choice for CIA Director got off.
81. Clinton Library Worsens Little Rock's Financial Woes
82. Bill & Hill Stiffing Their Lawyers
83. Abdullah's Bush Insult Followed Meeting With Clinton
84. Clinton Hushed Up Federal Report Warning of Hijack Attacks
85. Bin Laden-Gate Witness Dares Dems: Depose Me on Clinton's 9-11 Cover-Up
86. Clinton Used Islamists to Arm the Bosnian Muslims
87. Rambling Clinton Strolls Off With $250,000
88. Clinton Nixed Plan to Infiltrate Al-Qaeda, Top FBI Whistle-Blower Says
89. Louis Freeh, Clinton's Incompetent FBI Director, On 9-11
90. Why the FBI Missed the Islamic Threat Thanks to Bill Clinton
91. Clinton Seeks $3.5 MILLION For Legal Fees From You The Taxpayer
92. Clinton Pledges to Fight as Combat Soldier With Isreali Army
93. 'Black Hawk Down' Dad Bristles at Clinton's Attempt to Blame Bush
94. Clinton Admits: "I Nixed Bin Laden's Extradition Offer"
95. Clinton Tries to Rewrite History says author
96. Bill Clinton's Chutzpah Telling GW Bush How to Run his War.
97. Clinton STOPPED the Iraq Inspections When Saddam Hussein Objected!
98. FEC Issues Record Fines In Democrats' Scandals
99. Clinton-Approved Computer Exports Help China Build Atomic Bombs TODAY!
100. Clinton Trashes Bush in British Anti-War Protest
101. Louis Freeh, Clinton's FBI Chief Denies 9-11 Was His Fault
102. How Clinton Aided Terrorist Syria
103. Navy Man Clinton Hung Out to Dry Gets His Day in Court
104. North Korea Admits Secret Weapons Program that Clinton Signed With Them
105. Clinton Inducted...Into the Black Hall of Fame
106. Clinton Bankrolled North Korea's Secret Nuclear Program
107. Mylroie: Clinton's 1993 Iraq Attack Tied to First WTC Bombing
108. Information Sharing That Led to 9-11: Freeh and the Stasi Files
109. The Clinton Paper Chase
110. Clinton's Private Eye Arrested in Reporter Intimidation Case
111. China Intel: News Articles on the Weakening of America by Clinton & Others
112. How "Clinton's Wall" Destroyed the Ability of the FBI to Track Terrorists
113. Bill Clinton Meets The Shrinks
114. Clinton and NASA's Fall This is about the Columbia disaster.
115. The Unknown: Clinton's Mismanagment of the CIA & Pentagon and how it let the Al Qaeda and Iraq prepare to attack the USA.
116. Clinton Environmental Policy Sabotaged the Shuttle
117. North Korea and Bill Clinton's Failure of Leadership, 2 Dates in History
118. Clinton problems linger at Secret Service
119. Arms for China--A Clinton Legacy
120. Janeane Garofalo: 'It Wasn't Hip' to Protest Clinton's Wars
121. It's In The Book
122. A Little Skin From Clinton Crony
123. China Intel An excellent summary of Clinton's aid to the Red Chinese.
124. Clinton Implicated in Air Force One Sex Attack
125. Clinton Military Whistle-Blower Trashed as 'Far Right' Agent
126. Another thing for Bill Clinton to Zip Up
127. Clinton and his Clintonistas
128. BOOS FOR BILL AT CONCERT
129. The Clinton Army
130. Espionage: Sex, Spies and the ‘Parlor Maid’
131. Cleaning Up More Clinton Crap
132. Bin Laden Bungle Deja Vu: Clinton's Abu Abbas Blunder
133. Gingrich: Clinton Suffers From 'Victory Envy'
134. Clinton: China or Europe Will Replace U.S. as Top Power
135. Bush's Carrier Visit Contrasts with Clinton's
136. Thank You President Clinton From A US Citizen
137. A Whitewater Chronology
138. Clinton on the Gray Davis Recall: 'Don't Do This'
139. Bill and Tony's Bad Adventure
140. AP: FBI Sent Hamas Money in Late 1990's Janet Reno and Bill Clinton gave money to Moslem Terrorists!
141. Clintons Sued in L.A. Over Campaign Donations
142. What Clinton Knew--And What Clinton Did
143. Come On, Alan--Clinton is One of the Presidential Greats?
144. Clinton Stumps for Street, Blasts FBI Investigation
145. Linda Tripp Gets $595,000 From U.S. in Privacy Suit
146. The Clinton View of Iraq-al Qaeda Ties
147. The Clinton's Real Legacy
148. Clinton Briefings Preceded Dean Gaffes
149. Clinton Administration Freed Bin Laden's Banker
150. Clark: Bin Laden Not My Problem Wesley Clark was Clinton's Supreme NATO Commander.
151. Clinton Believed Iraq had WMD
152. Bill Clinton: The First Rwandan President This is required reading!
153. Mishandling Terrorism: The Law-Enforcement Mistake.
154. Clark Papers Talk Politics and War
155. Legal Disputes Over Hunt Paralyzed Clinton's Aides
156. Haiti: Clinton's Toy Country and Clinton's Dictator
157. NBC: Clinton Ordered bin Laden Spared
158. Kristallnact in Kosovo How Clinton's bombing of the Christian Serbians in Kosovo allowed the Moslem Terrorist "Ethnic Albanians" to take over and destroy a once Christian country!
159. Politicized Intelligence...
160. Clinton Stole the Silverware But Left the Appointees
161. The Clinton/Albright War of Words
162. Former Sec of State Madame Halfbright Worried Bush is Fueling Terrorists' Hate ie:, "Appease Terrorists"
163. US Chose to Ignore Rwandan Genocide
164. It's Dick Clarke's American Grandstand
165. Very Awkward Facts
166. How 9-11 Happened
167. Bin Laden Arrest Offer Spurned as Clinton Met Lewinsky
168. Al Qaeda Absent from Final Clinton Report Blow Job Clinton's Security Stooge, Dickie Clarke, lied to the 9-11 panel and Congress. Just another Clinton Control Freak.
169. The Blame Game Why Should Clinton Get Off Scot-Free From the 9-11 Panel Investigation
170. Gorelick-gate: 9/11 Commission Rocked by Scandal Isn't It Strange How Her Name is GORE-LICK?
171. Morris: Gorelick U.S. Official Most Responsible for 9/11
172. Gorelick Must Be Removed
173. National Disgrace Jamie Gore-Lick, Clinton's Deputy Atty. General, ORDERED the FBI to separate counterintelligence from criminal investigations.
174. Gore-Lick's Wall: The Commissioner Belongs in the Witness Chair
175. Millennial Mistake Jamie Gore-Lick's Dangerous "Wall of Separation" Nearly Caused Mass Murder BEFORE THE 9-11 DISASTER!
176. Clinton's Fiction Old Blow Job Clinton says he's misquoted from a tape recording now...
177. Clinton's Economic Espionage Led to Intelligence Failure
178. Jamie Gore-Lick's Document Ordering the Intelligence Agencies to Stop Coordination With My Notes
179. The Appearance of Impropriety 9-11 Panel's Hypocrisy
180. Memos Show Gore-Lick Involvement in 'Wall'
181. Before the 9/11 Commission, Questions About How Much Warning Clinton Gave Bush About bin Laden
182. Dick Morris Reveals Whitewater Secret in New Book
183. Yakety Facts: The Word on Clinton in Vanity Fair
184. George Tenet, Clinton's CIA Director and Holdover into the GW Bush Administration Resigns in Disgrace
185. Clinton: Claims I Turned Down bin Laden Are 'Bull'
186. The Antidote to the Clinton Revisionism
187. Clinton's Autobiography Book, 957 Pages of Lies and Narcissism
188. Clinton Rages Against Dimbleby in Panorama Confrontation Over Lewinsky
189. Understanding Bill
190. The Incredible Shrinking Clinton
191. Clinton First Linked al Qaeda to Saddam
192. The Missing Clinton Women These are most, but not all, of the women BJ Clinton has raped and molested.
193. The History of Slick Willie--From the Coiner of the Moniker
194. The Smallness of a Man Who Granted Equal Valence to his own Indulgences and the Fate of Nations
195. Cheney Slams Clinton as 'Soft' on Terrorists
196. Cheney Links Saddam to '93 World Trade Center Attack
197. The Clinton Snipe Hunt
198. Guess What Country This Is
199. Constitution, Not U.N., Is Our Governing Authority
200. Bill Clinton Finally Comes Clean--Sort Of
201. Sandy Berger: BJ Clinton's Thief to Protect BJ's "Legacy" Sticky, BOOGER Covered Fingers
202. "Clinton Says Bush Ruined My Legacy"
203. Rep. McDermott Loses In Boehner Lawsuit
204. Clinton's Own Healthcare Plan Would Have Cost Him Dearly It Might Have KILLED Him!
205. Ten Years After the Gingrich Revolution
206. Still the Ones: Bill & Hillary Clinton
207. Clinton 'Let Bin Laden Survive'
208. She Speaks! Chelsea Clinton Debut Draws Small Crowd
209. Clinton According to Bill At the opening of his LIEbrary, November 18, 2004; WHAT AN ASS!
210. Clinton 'Lie'-brary
211. Clinton on ABC: "Don't Go There, Peter"
212. Bill's REAL Legacy is SEX: Poll
213. The Clinton Library's Sanitized History
214. The Comedown Kid
215. City, Fed Probes Eye Pardongate Billionaire As A 'Major Player' in Saddam's Oil for Food Scam Folks, this could be HUGE! In essence, Clinton would be ultimately responsible for Saddam Hussein's rearmament and the killing of over a thousand American GI's in the war!
216. Hollywood Exposes Clinton's Support of African Genocide
217. Clinton Library Attendance Disappointing
218. What Role Did Affirmative Action Play in Pre-9/11 Intel Failures?
219. Sandy Berger, Ex-National Security Adviser to Plead Guilty to Taking Classified Material
220. Sandy Berger's Heavy Lifting: The Troubling Details of the Archives Document Removal.
221. Clinton Has a Negro Son
222. Outrage Clinton's National Security Advisor (predecessor to Condi Rice) DESTROYED HISTORIC DOCUMENTS YET WON'T SPEND ANY TIME IN JAIL LIKE YOU WOULD IF YOU HAD DONE SUCH A THING!
223. Sandy Rolls Over for Bill & Hill
224. What Did Sandy Steal?
225. No "Mixed" Legacy Idiot Clinton compares his squalid record to Pope John Paul II's.

He thinks the Bible was written by those who "may have put their own opinions in." Hardly what can be called "having faith."

That's what I believe too, but I have faith. I believe in God and Jesus, and I do believe a lot of the stories in the Bible. But I believe that some of the writers did sometimes put ideas of their own in, or ideas that reflected popular opinion, rather than what God thought.

But I still have faith. God knows it too, I talk to him a lot. He likes disco music, which is great, because I like disco music too. Well, He likes all kinds of music, actually. Rock, metal, country, soul...