I was listening to this old Geto Boys rap music tape and there was this black dude prisoner on there talking at the end of Geto Boys And Girls song. He was saying that he's been locked up for 23 years and that there's 37% of black men that are locked up and blacks only make up 12% of the population. Isn't that terrible? That song came out in 1996 so i'm assuming that the percentage of black men locked up right now is worse. Why is it that so many ignorant black men would rather turn to a life of crime than get a job? Why is it that ignorant black men don't wanna go to school but they'll read books when they're locked up? LOL. Sad sad sad.

What about the fact that conviction rates for blacks are over twice the rate of conviction rates for whites for the same crime? The fact of the matter is a black person and a white person can commit the exact same offense and the white person will more likely be aquitted, serve probation, etc. while the black person is more likely to serve time in jail.

I'm biracial. What category would I fall under if I were to get arrested?

I'm biracial. What category would I fall under if I were to get arrested?

:lol:

I'm biracial. What category would I fall under if I were to get arrested?
What if the issue is conjoined biracial twins? ;)

I'm biracial. What category would I fall under if I were to get arrested?


Same for me

I think "Isiah" has a problem with black people. Most of his threads he start are bashing black people, I think that he has some personal issuses that he has to work on.

Same for me

I think "Isiah" has a problem with black people. Most of his threads he start are bashing black people, I think that he has some personal issuses that he has to work on.

I'm starting to agree with you. I feel bad for him though. But he needs to understand something...

Here's my story a little taste...

My father is black/brazilian and he was a rich man(see Isiah, not all bad black people are from the ghetto) now he's in jail. Reason? Not for turning to a life of crime, in fact he graduated with honors at Yale in 1970. But he killed someone, my mother. You see he wasn't the 'typical' black man that isiah is talking about. The whole point i'm making is never judge someone because they are from the ghetto or so called street. Sometimes these white collar guys are just as horrible or worse

Isiah, you a cool dude, but I hate the guy you took your name from with a passion.

Same for me

I think "Isiah" has a problem with black people. Most of his threads he start are bashing black people, I think that he has some personal issuses that he has to work on.
Exactly. I mean, how many threads abt bashing your own race can you keep making with anyone taking you seriously? It has gotten real old and tired.

Exactly. I mean, how many threads abt bashing your own race can you keep making with anyone taking you seriously? It has gotten real old and tired.

I mean I feel really bad for him. Something must have happened along the way. But this kind of message board isn't the place to do it. And all of the days to do it on MLK Jr. day.

I was listening to this old Geto Boys rap music tape and there was this black dude prisoner on there talking at the end of Geto Boys And Girls song. He was saying that he's been locked up for 23 years and that there's 37% of black men that are locked up and blacks only make up 12% of the population. Isn't that terrible? That song came out in 1996 so i'm assuming that the percentage of black men locked up right now is worse. Why is it that so many ignorant black men would rather turn to a life of crime than get a job? Why is it that ignorant black men don't wanna go to school but they'll read books when they're locked up? LOL. Sad sad sad.


Isiah:

Didn't Cleveland have a problem with many blacks? Did you ever address this issue with the city hall meetings?

Montreal always had a problem with white biker gangs that ran prostitution rings and illegal drugs in the city. I have always addressed this issue to Montreal's city council by email to see if they can stop the problem. I don't see why complaining to Sitcoms-on-line posters could change this problem you experience. :confused:

Well I'm not going to let it happen in Philly, I'm currently working with single fathers been in prison so they can be better fathers for their children.

Well I'm not going to let it happen in Philly, I'm currently working with single fathers been in prison so they can be better fathers for their children.

:D Now that is what people should be doing, instead of moping about things, get up and make them better.

:D Now that is what people should be doing, instead of moping about things, get up and make them better.


Yeah I have actually started liking my job and want these men to succeed. I think I will do this for 2 -3 more Years

:D Now that is what people should be doing, instead of moping about things, get up and make them better.

:clap: :yeahthat :clap:

:clap: :yeahthat :clap:

I'm sorry, I hate people who bitch and complain when they can at least TRY to solve the problem.

I'm sorry, I hate people who bitch and complain when they can at least TRY to solve the problem.

I feel the same way, rather then tearing people down you should try to build them up and help change things.

There's no need to openly criticize isiahthomas, in the third person. This is a perfectly legitimate topic that he's addressed. Don't like it, don't post in the thread -- but he has every right to post it.

Well I'm not going to let it happen in Philly, I'm currently working with single fathers been in prison so they can be better fathers for their children.


That's great! I do similar work. I work with women in prison. I conduct monthly transitional workshops and provide different transitional opportunities for women as they are getting ready to leave prison. When they are released, I help them find employment, housing and basically provide support for them because it's a tough cruel world, regardless if you have a background or not.

It's tough work but in the end it's also rewarding.

Again, you're doing something great!

Okay... I was talking about people in general. I think I have a right to disagree as long as I don't call him any names, name calling isn't cool during an mature debate.(if you were referring to me)

There's no need to openly criticize isiahthomas, in the third person. This is a perfectly legitimate topic that he's addressed. Don't like it, don't post in the thread -- but he has every right to post it.


I don't see anything wrong with what's being said, Everyone won't/don't agree with everything that's said.

That's great! I do similar work. I work with women in prison. I conduct monthly transitional workshops and provide different transitional opportunities for women as they are getting ready to leave prison. When they are released, I help them find employment, housing and basically provide support for them because it's a tough cruel world, regardless if you have a background or not.

It's tough work but in the end it's also rewarding.

Again, you're doing something great!



Yeah we do the same type of Work, just different Population

I don't see anything wrong with what's being said, Everyone won't/don't agree with everything that's said.

^5

Thank you, as long as nobody was cursing up a storm or calling each other's mamas out, it's perfectly okay to disagree, that's why it's called a 'message board'. I've seen the Bush lovers around here posting back at an anti-Bush topic, so what's the problem? If I disagree with someone, my right as an American is to speak my mind but in a mature manner.

Again, don't talk about any member in the third person. If anyone wants to take issue with a member, quote THEM and make your statement to THEM. This isn't a gossip session.

My warning stands. No more discussion about it.

Okay... I was talking about people in general. I think I have a right to disagree as long as I don't call him any names, name calling isn't cool during an mature debate.(if you were referring to me)


Well I figured/knew you were talking in general and not about any one person.

Well I figured/knew you were talking in general and not about any one person.

I know, guess I have to be careful with what I say around here.

Back to the topic, I just think that it's unfair to make broad judgements about a certain group. Even after my father killed my own mother, I never downed black men because of one person's actions. Like Rosie O'Donald doesn't speak for me or Paris Hilton doesn't rep. all women.

I'm biracial. What category would I fall under if I were to get arrested?
black...lol

I know, guess I have to be careful with what I say around here.

Back to the topic, I just think that it's unfair to make broad judgements about a certain group. Even after my father killed my own mother, I never downed black men because of one person's actions. Like Rosie O'Donald doesn't speak for me or Paris Hilton doesn't rep. all women.

I totally agree, a group of bad seeds doesn't represent a whole race.

I was listening to this old Geto Boys rap music tape and there was this black dude prisoner on there talking at the end of Geto Boys And Girls song. He was saying that he's been locked up for 23 years and that there's 37% of black men that are locked up and blacks only make up 12% of the population. Isn't that terrible? That song came out in 1996 so i'm assuming that the percentage of black men locked up right now is worse. Why is it that so many ignorant black men would rather turn to a life of crime than get a job? Why is it that ignorant black men don't wanna go to school but they'll read books when they're locked up? LOL. Sad sad sad.



I find these statements especially on MLK day seem borderline racist to me

I find these statements especially on MLK day seem borderline racist to me

he's black lol so I don't think it really counts as racism, since he's critisizing from the inside. it's like if i made fun of white people because I'm white.

he's black lol so I don't think it really counts as racism, since he's critisizing from the inside. it's like if i made fun of white people because I'm white.

Regardless of who says it - racism is racism

This wasn't a satirical post or I would agree with you

I know, guess I have to be careful with what I say around here.

Back to the topic, I just think that it's unfair to make broad judgements about a certain group. Even after my father killed my own mother, I never downed black men because of one person's actions. Like Rosie O'Donald doesn't speak for me or Paris Hilton doesn't rep. all women.

Exactly! People have come too far and fought to hard to overcome the general tarring of races, and I definitely think this thread verges on racism.

We're all exactly the same underneath, we're human beings first, races second.

J

Exactly! People have come too far and fought to hard to overcome the general tarring of races, and I definitely think this thread verges on racism.

We're all exactly the same underneath, we're human beings first, races second.

J

Very well put! This topic isn't even a FACT. It is not a FACT that more African-American men are in jail then the workforce, when in fact the poster got this off of a RAP song. I hate when people don't state the facts(AGAIN, I'M MAKING THIS STATEMENT TO ALL PEOPLE) but would argue with you to death. Me? I need hardcorde evidence, give me that to back-up your case if not then it's purely false.

It is true for a segment of the black population.
http://www.commondreams.org/headlines06/0320-06.htm

The COPs (Chronically Offended People) are at it again. There's nothing racist about this topic. It's a real issue in the black community. Talking about it doesn't make a person a racist.

I'm biracial. What category would I fall under if I were to get arrested?
you fall under whatever category your mother is. If you are as white as snow and your mother is black, you are classified as black. If you as black as soot as your mother is white, you are classified as white.

It is true for a segment of the black population.
http://www.commondreams.org/headlines06/0320-06.htm

The COPs (Chronically Offended People) are at it again. There's nothing racist about this topic. It's a real issue in the black community. Talking about it doesn't make a person a racist.

At least you said a segment instead of most or all. Not only that, but you came to the table with facts.

Yes it's an issue I understand that and I don't feel sorry at all, not one bit. But that's not the case for a lot of black males.

I'm just glad there hasn't been any name calling(too often used 'sellout' or 'coon')

you fall under whatever category your mother is. If you are as white as snow and your mother is black, you are classified as black. If you as black as soot as your mother is white, you are classified as white.

People mistake me for just being white all the time(brown haired blue eyed same skin tone as Jessica Simpson) and my mother was white so I guess I classify as 'white'(though i'm quick to correct people.)

At least you said a segment instead of most or all. Not only that, but you came to the table with facts.
Just like the person who started this thread did. He gave stats. Nobody said most or all black men fall into that category.

Well I'm not going to let it happen in Philly, I'm currently working with single fathers been in prison so they can be better fathers for their children.
You have my respect for that Solomon. You're a good man.

I find these statements especially on MLK day seem borderline racist to meThe post isn't racist, it's addressing a very real problem. It's a legitimate discussion.

Just like the person who started this thread did. He gave stats. Nobody said most or all black men fall into that category.

Um... you gave a link. I want hardcore evidence, not a stat that you mermorized from 1996.

The post isn't racist, it's addressing a very real problem. It's a legitimate discussion.
True and I also think that MLK day is the perfect time to discuss how far blacks have come and the obstacles and issues that still remain.

Um... you gave a link. I want hardcore evidence, not a stat that you mermorized from 1996.
Where was your hardcore evidence and link when you said his information was wrong? You didn't back up that FACT, as you put it.

Well I'm not going to let it happen in Philly, I'm currently working with single fathers been in prison so they can be better fathers for their children.
:thumbsup: awesome

you fall under whatever category your mother is. If you are as white as snow and your mother is black, you are classified as black. If you as black as soot as your mother is white, you are classified as white.
I don't think that's how it works...lol. Race really isn't biological, but a social construct, so socially, he would be considered black if he's half black...

I don't think that's how it works...lol. Race really isn't biological, but a social construct, so socially, he would be considered black if he's half black...
wrong. on paper-work you are considered the race your mother is. Now, what you relate to socially is up to you, but on medical papers, etc, you are the race your mother is.

i know this because my mother in law is a nurse, and has worked in Government health institutions, and the school system, so she has to fill out paperwork on people constantly.

wrong. on paper-work you are considered the race your mother is. Now, what you relate to socially is up to you, but on medical papers, etc, you are the race your mother is.

i know this because my mother in law is a nurse, and has worked in Government health institutions, and the school system, so she has to fill out paperwork on people constantly.


On paper I'm considered other :lol:

you fall under whatever category your mother is. If you are as white as snow and your mother is black, you are classified as black. If you as black as soot as your mother is white, you are classified as white.


Of course, if your mother's mixed...

In my case, my father is black and my mother is white. I've always put down that I was black on any paperwork that required it.

Unfortunately for me, I was born in France (because my father was in the U.S. Army, and my Mom, for the most part, went wherever he did). Had I actually been born in the United States, I would have put "Native American" on every piece of paperwork that required the information.

I think anyone born in the U.S. should do that anyway.

I remember, about 10 years ago, some white kid (who was a class valedictorian, I can't remember from which state) listed himself as a "native American" (because he was born in the United States) on all of his college applications. He had just about every top school in the country after him, until they found out he was actually white.
These colleges were so anxious to have a "Native American" valedictorian enroll that they climbed all over each other to get to this kid... and then, even though his grades never changed, most of them didn't want him when they found out he was white...at least, not on the same scholarship terms.

Just like the person who started this thread did. He gave stats. Nobody said most or all black men fall into that category.


The person who started this thread quoted a rap song for his stats. When do lyrics in a rap song become credible facts.

The racist comments statement was not geared at this thread only in particuclar but the fact that 3 "ignorant balcks" threads were all started at the same time.

So if ignorant black is not a racially charged (I do believe the quote was borderline racist) then referring to dumb Mexicans or ******** Jews, Whites, Green, Purple whatever ... would not be racially charged either.

The person who started this thread quoted a rap song for his stats. When do lyrics in a rap song become credible facts.

The racist comments statement was not geared at this thread only in particuclar but the fact that 3 "ignorant balcks" threads were all started at the same time.

So if ignorant black is not a racially charged (I do believe the quote was borderline racist) then referring to dumb Mexicans or ******** Jews, Whites, Green, Purple whatever ... would not be racially charged either.

That's what I felt, 3 seemed a bit excessive, and the term 'ignorant blacks' seems very offensive.

J

wrong. on paper-work you are considered the race your mother is. Now, what you relate to socially is up to you, but on medical papers, etc, you are the race your mother is.

i know this because my mother in law is a nurse, and has worked in Government health institutions, and the school system, so she has to fill out paperwork on people constantly.
I really don't understand why they dont make a 'multi-racial/biracial' box or whatever for some papers. Well, anyway, my point was that scientifically it's been proven that "race" is not necessarily even biological, it's more of a social construct. Since it is more of a social construct, and the unfortunate "one drop" rule is still prevalent in the United States. Barack Obama, Alicia Keys, Halle Berry, etc are always called "African American" in the media despite having a white mother. Even Mariah Carey who is 1/4 black has been called African American despite looking like a white person, by the media. Based on that, I was telling him he could see himself as black, since he wanted our opinion...

Where was your hardcore evidence and link when you said his information was wrong? You didn't back up that FACT, as you put it.

Uh...Duh, his information was from a RAP song. I can't believe that someone thinks this is an actual fact when it's from a RAP song. I guess I should get my studies on women from an 50 Cent or a Motley Crue song:rolleyes: :lol:

Next>>>>>>>>>> Keep it moving>>>>>

The person who started this thread quoted a rap song for his stats. When do lyrics in a rap song become credible facts.

The racist comments statement was not geared at this thread only in particuclar but the fact that 3 "ignorant balcks" threads were all started at the same time.

So if ignorant black is not a racially charged (I do believe the quote was borderline racist) then referring to dumb Mexicans or ******** Jews, Whites, Green, Purple whatever ... would not be racially charged either.

Thank you!!!!!!!!!!!!! I find it laughable that someone actually believes this is a true fact when in fact, it's from an 11 year old RAP song.

I honestly think while some of the three ignorant black threads do have SOME points, these threads were started for either attention or just to start something.

Here's something: My cousin grew up in the 'ignorant' ghetto as the poster put it and guess what? He made something of himself. He's a well respected police officer in California and goes back to the 'stupid' black schools to educate these kids(they have no choice but to go to these schools) about making something out of themselves.

:rolleyes: My god, a freakin' rap song, that's like trying to find meaning in a Britney Spears song:lol:

:D Now that is what people should be doing, instead of moping about things, get up and make them better.
Thank you. Crying, moping, being rude and sarcastic abt the bad things in your life or the life of human beings doesn't get anything resolved. Action is the thing that gets things done. Making threads and making comments DOES NOTHING.

I really don't understand why they dont make a 'multi-racial/biracial' box or whatever for some papers. Well, anyway, my point was that scientifically it's been proven that "race" is not necessarily even biological, it's more of a social construct. Since it is more of a social construct, and the unfortunate "one drop" rule is still prevalent in the United States. Barack Obama, Alicia Keys, Halle Berry, etc are always called "African American" in the media despite having a white mother. Even Mariah Carey who is 1/4 black has been called African American despite looking like a white person, by the media. Based on that, I was telling him he could see himself as black, since he wanted our opinion...


They do, that's why they have the "other" box. I don't think that you go by the race of your mother. if your half black you're considered black in America. Even if you're from India you're considered black. That's why on papers I never fill out that space. No need to know what race I am, as long as you have my SSN, Name and Birthday, everything should be ok.

They do, that's why they have the "other" box. I don't think that you go by the race of your mother. if your half black you're considered black in America. Even if you're from India you're considered black. That's why on papers I never fill out that space. No need to know what race I am, as long as you have my SSN, Name and Birthday, everything should be ok.
I don't think they go by the race of your mother either. I mean, nothing is BLACK OR WHITE. :lol: They have "other" for people to check nowadays because of the multiracial of many people. Not only that, not everyone has a mother...what abt people who don't know who their mother is? Or people who were abandoned at birth or given up for adoption, you can't put the race of your "mother" if she is not your biological mother. I was adopted, I have no idea what "race" my biological mother was (only speculation), my medical documents don't state a race whatsoever.

:rolleyes: My god, a freakin' rap song, that's like trying to find meaning in a Britney Spears song:lol:
It may be from a rap song, but if you read the post, a prisoner is talking in the song, and the statistics are true. There are many social message songs, and apparently this was one of them. Who knows, maybe the radio host had something to say before or after the song was played. Who cares how isiah heard it, as long as it's true...and he's got every right in the world to post it.

Thank you. Crying, moping, being rude and sarcastic abt the bad things in your life or the life of human beings doesn't get anything resolved. Action is the thing that gets things done. Making threads and making comments DOES NOTHING.
The same could be said for every topic. Threads don't solve problems, but that's no reason not to make them.

I don't think anyone should take the word of a prisoner or a rapper as the gospel truth.

I don't think anyone should take the word of a prisoner or a rapper as the gospel truth.
You don't have to take their word. It's true. It's in Mr. Cranky's link and here.

http://www.zmag.org/content/showarticle.cfm?ItemID=4471

I was listening to this old Geto Boys rap music tape and there was this black dude prisoner on there talking at the end of Geto Boys And Girls song. He was saying that he's been locked up for 23 years and that there's 37% of black men that are locked up and blacks only make up 12% of the population. Isn't that terrible? That song came out in 1996 so i'm assuming that the percentage of black men locked up right now is worse. Why is it that so many ignorant black men would rather turn to a life of crime than get a job? Why is it that ignorant black men don't wanna go to school but they'll read books when they're locked up? LOL. Sad sad sad.
Not all black men are ignorant. There are a lot of black men in prison, but how many are actually guilty of the crime for which they were accused? How many INNOCENT men are in jail/prisons for crimes they didn't commit? I know Isaiah you are only referencing to those who are truly guilty, but you have to take each individual and see why it is they are in prison. As for prisoners taking up reading while in prison, I can see your point, but I would rather a man in jail take up reading there and hopefully learn they can better their lives rather than do nothing in jail and get out and commit another crime.

I was listening to this old Geto Boys rap music tape and there was this black dude prisoner on there talking at the end of Geto Boys And Girls song. He was saying that he's been locked up for 23 years and that there's 37% of black men that are locked up and blacks only make up 12% of the population. Isn't that terrible? That song came out in 1996 so i'm assuming that the percentage of black men locked up right now is worse. Why is it that so many ignorant black men would rather turn to a life of crime than get a job? Why is it that ignorant black men don't wanna go to school but they'll read books when they're locked up? LOL. Sad sad sad.


There is nothing in this statement to indicate that more black men are in prison than in the workforce.

If 37% of black men are in jail (which can't be true, unless he's talking about a certain age group only, and within a narrowly defined demographic of some kind, in which case it's still stretching it), then that means that 63% are not in jail. So how does it follow that more black men are in jail than in the work force, at least from that statement?

Was the "artist" saying that 37% of people who are locked up are black, which exceeds their 12% share of the population, and therefore there are a disproportionate number of blacks in jail?

Did he make this recording while he was imprisoned? Sounds like it. What was he in for?




If the people of Harlem keep sending Charles Rangel back to represent them for the last 30 years, and they're still complaining about the same things today as 30 years ago (which they are), that should tell us something...

One of the biggest problems in the black community is that they're listening to the wrong people. If they'd spend more time listening to and emulating brilliant men like Thomas Sowell, Walter Williams and John McWhorter instead of Jesse Jackson, Al Sharpton, John Lewis and Charles Rangel, they'd be a hell of a lot better off.

Walter Williams came up with a brilliant 4 step plan for success in this country:

1) Finish high school
2) Don't have children outside of marriage
3) Get ANY kind of a job and work hard at it
4) Don't engage in criminal activity

My, how different things would be, if only...

What's the illegitimacy rate among blacks these days? Nearly 70% of black children born today are born outside of marriage. Yet, "leaders" like Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton continue to blame "white" America for the problems in the black neighborhoods.

That's what struck me as being so ridiculous about the "reparations for slavery" argument. How would these black kids "prove" that their great, great, great great grandfathers were slaves, when the majority of them don't even know who their FATHER is?

There is nothing in this statement to indicate that more black men are in prison than in the workforce.

If 37% of black men are in jail (which can't be true, unless he's talking about a certain age group only, and within a narrowly defined demographic of some kind, in which case it's still stretching it), then that means that 63% are not in jail. So how does it follow that more black men are in jail than in the work force, at least from that statement?

Was the "artist" saying that 37% of people who are locked up are black, which exceeds their 12% share of the population, and therefore there are a disproportionate number of blacks in jail?

What I'm getting is that it refers to the number of teen dropouts...in prison at one time in their lives.

The incarceration rate for African-Americans is 1,815 per 100,000 compared to 609 per 100, 000 for Latino-Americans, 99 per 100,000 for Asian-Americans, and 235 per 100, 000 for American whites. For black adult males the incarceration rate is a remarkable 4, 484 per 100,000, compared 1, 668 per 100,000 for Hispanic males and 1,318 per 100,000 for white males. Roughly one in ten of the world's prisoners is an African-American male. In mid-year 1999, 11 percent of Black US males in their 20s and early 30s were in prison and 33 percent of Black male high school dropouts were in prison or in jail.

http://www.commondreams.org/headlines06/0320-06.htm

Among black dropouts in their late 20's, more are in prison on a given day — 34 percent — than are working — 30 percent — according to an analysis of 2000 census data by Steven Raphael of the University of California, Berkeley.

Let's not forget how many men are in jail/prisons for crimes THEY ARE NOT GUILTY OF.

What I'm getting is that it refers to the number of teen dropouts...in prison at one time in their lives.

The incarceration rate for African-Americans is 1,815 per 100,000 compared to 609 per 100, 000 for Latino-Americans, 99 per 100,000 for Asian-Americans, and 235 per 100, 000 for American whites. For black adult males the incarceration rate is a remarkable 4, 484 per 100,000, compared 1, 668 per 100,000 for Hispanic males and 1,318 per 100,000 for white males. Roughly one in ten of the world's prisoners is an African-American male. In mid-year 1999, 11 percent of Black US males in their 20s and early 30s were in prison and 33 percent of Black male high school dropouts were in prison or in jail.

Ah ok, I gotcha...

Still, none of that data indicates that "more blacks are in prision than in the workforce". But it does point out that Walter Williams was pretty much correct in his formula for success.

Let's not forget how many men are in jail/prisons for crimes THEY ARE NOT GUILTY OF.

Nor should we forget those who commit crimes and get away with it (hello, OJ)

Nor should we forget those who commit crimes and get away with it (hello, OJ)
True. Hello Robert Blake. I at least hope Phil Spector gets LIFE.

Ah ok, I gotcha...

Still, none of that data indicates that "more blacks are in prision than in the workforce". But it does point out that Walter Williams was pretty much correct in his formula for success.
I edited it to show that it is a segment that the artist, lol, was referring to.

If the people of Harlem keep sending Charles Rangel back to represent them for the last 30 years, and they're still complaining about the same things today as 30 years ago (which they are), that should tell us something...

One of the biggest problems in the black community is that they're listening to the wrong people. If they'd spend more time listening to and emulating brilliant men like Thomas Sowell, Walter Williams and John McWhorter instead of Jesse Jackson, Al Sharpton, John Lewis and Charles Rangel, they'd be a hell of a lot better off.

Walter Williams came up with a brilliant 4 step plan for success in this country:

1) Finish high school
2) Don't have children outside of marriage
3) Get ANY kind of a job and work hard at it
4) Don't engage in criminal activity

My, how different things would be, if only...

What's the illegitimacy rate among blacks these days? Nearly 70% of black children born today are born outside of marriage. Yet, "leaders" like Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton continue to blame "white" America for the problems in the black neighborhoods.
:yeahthat Most constructive post in this thread.

True. Hello Robert Blake. I at least hope Phil Spector gets LIFE.
No kidding Irene. Those poor women.

Let's not forget how many men are in jail/prisons for crimes THEY ARE NOT GUILTY OF.

Exactly, Here 2 black men was just released because they were accused of rape crimes that they didn't commit. It took 20 something odd years and a DNA test to get those men out of prison. And I know that there are a lot of black men as well as white and hispanic men who are in prison for crimes they didn't commit.

http://www.nypost.com/delonas/2007/01/01162007.jpg

True. Hello Robert Blake. I at least hope Phil Spector gets LIFE.


Yes, absolutely right ! OJ's been stuck in my memory for so long, I've tended to forget all about Robert Blake, and I'd TOTALLY forgotten about Phil Spector.

Exactly, Here 2 black men was just released because they were accused of rape crimes that they didn't commit. It took 20 something odd years and a DNA test to get those men out of prison. And I know that there are a lot of black men as well as white and hispanic men who are in prison for crimes they didn't commit.
DNA is the best thing that's happened in our criminal justice system in years. There are too many innocent people locked up. DNA also nails the guilty ones.

http://www.nypost.com/delonas/2007/01/01162007.jpg


The SECOND most constructive post on this thread! That says it all!
:lol: :cheers:

Instutionalized racism cannot just be ignored in the reason that many black men cannot FIND jobs,ok. In sociology we learned of a recent survey that showed that black men with NO criminal record were usually passed up for white men WITH a criminal record, and that a person with a more black sounding name usually did not get hired before a person with a more white sounding name, even though the person with a black sounding name had higher qualifications.

Of course, if your mother's mixed...
then your mother is the race her mother, making you the race of your grandmother.

it's really not that complicated.

i'm not saying socially it's that easy to classify someone, but for documenting purposes, it is.

I really don't understand why they dont make a 'multi-racial/biracial' box or whatever for some papers. Well, anyway, my point was that scientifically it's been proven that "race" is not necessarily even biological, it's more of a social construct. Since it is more of a social construct, and the unfortunate "one drop" rule is still prevalent in the United States. Barack Obama, Alicia Keys, Halle Berry, etc are always called "African American" in the media despite having a white mother. Even Mariah Carey who is 1/4 black has been called African American despite looking like a white person, by the media. Based on that, I was telling him he could see himself as black, since he wanted our opinion...
oh yea, you can see yourself for whatever you want. Socially is a complete different story.

Still leaves the question...What if you have no mother? What if your biological mother abandoned you when you were born and no one knows who she was? What if a young girl gave birth secretly, abandoned that baby somewhere, the baby was found and no parent(s) is ever found?

I don't think they go by the race of your mother either. I mean, nothing is BLACK OR WHITE. :lol: They have "other" for people to check nowadays because of the multiracial of many people. Not only that, not everyone has a mother...what abt people who don't know who their mother is? Or people who were abandoned at birth or given up for adoption, you can't put the race of your "mother" if she is not your biological mother. I was adopted, I have no idea what "race" my biological mother was (only speculation), my medical documents don't state a race whatsoever.
i'm just telling you what a school nurse told me. A school nurse with 20 years of experience, who fills paper work out on nearly 300 students, and a nurse who use to work for the Health Department. When you are having to fill out a form on someone, and you have to name their race, a child's race is what their mother's race is.

As far as a grown woman/man walking in and naming their race, I don't think anyone is going to do a background check on what the race of their mother is.

I was under the impression this is why they added a mixed/multiple or similar designation to most forms.

i'm just telling you what a school nurse told me. A school nurse with 20 years of experience, who fills paper work out on nearly 300 students, and a nurse who use to work for the Health Department. When you are having to fill out a form on someone, and you have to name their race, a child's race is what their mother's race is.

As far as a grown woman/man walking in and naming their race, I don't think anyone is going to do a background check on what the race of their mother is.
Thank you that clarifies my question. Bottom line then, it doesn't matter what you check in that box, because it doesn't matter. Not everyone has the knowledge of knowing who their biological parents are and not every child who is adopted is adopted by the same "race" as their biological parents. Some mixed children are adopted by "white" people, some "white" children are adopted by black parents, my reason for the quotations is because children who appear "white" may not be "white"...some children who appear "hispanic" may not be...hence, my reason for saying "it's not all black and white".

Back in the days (waaaaay back) it was put on birth certificates and certain records black or white, as if those were the only races that existed.

I never said it mattered what box you checked. I just thought it was an interesting fact that fit this topic.

you fall under whatever category your mother is. If you are as white as snow and your mother is black, you are classified as black. If you as black as soot as your mother is white, you are classified as white.
I was merely responding to this initial post. Not creating an argument, just responding that it isn't "black or white" to a lot of people. Not everyone has the luxury of knowing what race their parents are. Some people have posted that they are mixed, doesn't mean one parent is black and one is white. It can go back two or three generations. That's all. I have a concept of what race my mother and father were (biological parents) but I have no definite proof.

i'm just telling you what a school nurse told me. A school nurse with 20 years of experience, who fills paper work out on nearly 300 students, and a nurse who use to work for the Health Department. When you are having to fill out a form on someone, and you have to name their race, a child's race is what their mother's race is.


Well, everyone is different and does things differently. Where she works, they chose to put the same race as the mother and other places choose differently....at my high school they did not do that. I do not think you necessarily ARE the exact same race as your mother. If your great great great grandmother is Indian and has a daughter who is half white, and that daughter has a daughter that's 1/4th Indian, etc up until you, I would not think you are Indian like your great grandmother...thats what I think...

i'm just telling you what a school nurse told me. A school nurse with 20 years of experience, who fills paper work out on nearly 300 students, and a nurse who use to work for the Health Department. When you are having to fill out a form on someone, and you have to name their race, a child's race is what their mother's race is.

As far as a grown woman/man walking in and naming their race, I don't think anyone is going to do a background check on what the race of their mother is.

I just personally disagree with that, it has been said that if your half black then your classified as black no matter what your mother is. When I was younger I never checked the black or white box, I use to check "other", Now I check nothing at all.

I just personally disagree with that, it has been said that if your half black then your classified as black no matter what your mother is. When I was younger I never checked the black or white box, I use to check "other", Now I check nothing at all.


That's good. As you are aware, in today's society, there has to be a label for everything. Good for you for not conforming!

Instutionalized racism cannot just be ignored in the reason that many black men cannot FIND jobs,ok. In sociology we learned of a recent survey that showed that black men with NO criminal record were usually passed up for white men WITH a criminal record, and that a person with a more black sounding name usually did not get hired before a person with a more white sounding name, even though the person with a black sounding name had higher qualifications.



Did it mention the list of Black Names???-lol

Tyrone
Braheem
Raheem
Damar
Kyan
Shaquon
Shaquille
Hakeem

Did it mention the list of Black Names???-lol

Tyrone
Braheem
Raheem
Damar
Kyan
Shaquon
Shaquille
Hakeem
:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

Did it mention the list of Black Names???-lol

Tyrone
Braheem
Raheem
Damar
Kyan
Shaquon
Shaquille
Hakeem
Is that the real list? If someone's name is Tyrone it still shouldn't matter, if they have higher qualifications than someone named Bob...

Is that the real list? If someone's name is Tyrone it still shouldn't matter, if they have higher qualifications than someone named Bob...
I think Solomon is being sarcastic. :wave:

Is that the real list? If someone's name is Tyrone it still shouldn't matter, if they have higher qualifications than someone named Bob...



I was being silly, I was trying to think of names that would make you think a guy is black

I was being silly, I was trying to think of names that would make you think a guy is black

I think the name "Hi, I'm A Black Guy" would be a good tipoff.

I think the name "Hi, I'm A Black Guy" would be a good tipoff.


We are talking about when a company receives a RESUME!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I know. I'm kidding.

http://www.businessweek.com/print/magazine/content/03_44/b3856038_mz007.htm?chan=mz
What's In A Name For Black Job Seekers?

In some respects, economic conditions for black Americans have improved substantially relative to those for whites over the past four decades. Recent studies by University of Texas economist Finis Welch show that the ratio of black to white wages for the average employed male rose from 43% in 1940 to 80% in 2000 (though the surge in black unemployment over the past couple of years may have eroded some of the gains).

On the negative side, some of that convergence reflects the withdrawal of low-skilled blacks from the labor force, including the large jump over the past 20 years in the number of black prison inmates. This rise in incarceration, by removing many low-wage black earners from the labor force, may account for much of the apparent gains in black wages since 1980. Moreover, gaps between whites and blacks remain large in schooling, out-of-wedlock childbearing, health, and other economic and social indicators.

In a new working paper from the National Bureau of Economic Research, economists Roland G. Fryer Jr. and Steven D. Levitt point out that children's names are another area with a large gap between blacks and whites. This research was inspired by so-called audit studies, begun in Britain in 1970, which found that potential employers systematically discriminated against job seekers with résumés that contained minority-sounding names. But Fryer and Levitt conclude that in the U.S., the black-white differences in naming are a consequence of disparities in socioeconomic conditions of blacks and whites, not an independent cause of disparities.

There's no question that gaps in naming practices are striking. As an example, in California from 1989 to 2000, out of 457 boys named Tyrone, 445 were black. Out of 277 girls named Shanice, 274 were black. In contrast, out of 2,328 girls named Molly, only 6 were black. Using "white" names as the comparison group, the tendency for distinctive naming was much weaker among Hispanics and nonexistent for Asians.

However, the type of name chosen turns out to reflect the parents' socioeconomic status as well as their race. For example, a distinctive "black" name is much more likely to be chosen when the mother is unmarried, when the mother has other children, and when the mother is in poorer health (as signaled by a lower birth weight of the child). In data available only for the 1990s, a more distinctive black name is also associated with lower parental education and lower per capita income in the mother's Zip Code.

Using data on all births in California from 1961 to 2000, Fryer and Levitt find that black names were similar to whites' up to the early '70s. That changed in the early '70s alongside the Black Power movement. By contrast, in the '60s, a black child's first name was not closely related to the mother's socioeconomic situation.

Fryer and Levitt's study shows that the more black-sounding a person's name, the more likely the parents have a lower socioeconomic status. Employers thus might infer that a job seeker with a black-sounding name is more likely to have grown up in a less educated and poorer family. If employers believe, rightly or wrongly, that such a background lowers the chance of job success, this may help explain why audit studies find that employers react negatively to black-sounding names on résumés, which contain current education but little other socioeconomic information. Thus, a recent NBER working paper by Marianne Bertrand and Sendhil Mullainathan found that call-back rates on identical (and made-up) résumés were substantially higher for white-sounding names such as Emily and Greg.

True, employers could be racially discriminating. But once Fryer and Levitt take into account parents' socioeconomic status, the researchers find that a person's name no longer predicts much about later economic outcomes, such as whether he or she winds up living in a rich or poor area. That is, ultimately it matters whether your parents are well-educated or rich but not whether they name you Shanice or Molly. Despite the apparent bias of employers against black names on résumés, the whole hiring process operates efficiently enough not to give much weight to names per se.

Thus, the key issue is whether black-white gaps in income and other economic and social indicators are still narrowing rather than whether employers are discriminating against black names. It's the socioeconomic status of blacks that needs attention, not whether a child is named Shanice or Molly.

http://www.businessweek.com/print/magazine/content/03_44/b3856038_mz007.htm?chan=mz
What's In A Name For Black Job Seekers?

In some respects, economic conditions for black Americans have improved substantially relative to those for whites over the past four decades. Recent studies by University of Texas economist Finis Welch show that the ratio of black to white wages for the average employed male rose from 43% in 1940 to 80% in 2000 (though the surge in black unemployment over the past couple of years may have eroded some of the gains).

On the negative side, some of that convergence reflects the withdrawal of low-skilled blacks from the labor force, including the large jump over the past 20 years in the number of black prison inmates. This rise in incarceration, by removing many low-wage black earners from the labor force, may account for much of the apparent gains in black wages since 1980. Moreover, gaps between whites and blacks remain large in schooling, out-of-wedlock childbearing, health, and other economic and social indicators.

In a new working paper from the National Bureau of Economic Research, economists Roland G. Fryer Jr. and Steven D. Levitt point out that children's names are another area with a large gap between blacks and whites. This research was inspired by so-called audit studies, begun in Britain in 1970, which found that potential employers systematically discriminated against job seekers with résumés that contained minority-sounding names. But Fryer and Levitt conclude that in the U.S., the black-white differences in naming are a consequence of disparities in socioeconomic conditions of blacks and whites, not an independent cause of disparities.

There's no question that gaps in naming practices are striking. As an example, in California from 1989 to 2000, out of 457 boys named Tyrone, 445 were black. Out of 277 girls named Shanice, 274 were black. In contrast, out of 2,328 girls named Molly, only 6 were black. Using "white" names as the comparison group, the tendency for distinctive naming was much weaker among Hispanics and nonexistent for Asians.

However, the type of name chosen turns out to reflect the parents' socioeconomic status as well as their race. For example, a distinctive "black" name is much more likely to be chosen when the mother is unmarried, when the mother has other children, and when the mother is in poorer health (as signaled by a lower birth weight of the child). In data available only for the 1990s, a more distinctive black name is also associated with lower parental education and lower per capita income in the mother's Zip Code.

Using data on all births in California from 1961 to 2000, Fryer and Levitt find that black names were similar to whites' up to the early '70s. That changed in the early '70s alongside the Black Power movement. By contrast, in the '60s, a black child's first name was not closely related to the mother's socioeconomic situation.

Fryer and Levitt's study shows that the more black-sounding a person's name, the more likely the parents have a lower socioeconomic status. Employers thus might infer that a job seeker with a black-sounding name is more likely to have grown up in a less educated and poorer family. If employers believe, rightly or wrongly, that such a background lowers the chance of job success, this may help explain why audit studies find that employers react negatively to black-sounding names on résumés, which contain current education but little other socioeconomic information. Thus, a recent NBER working paper by Marianne Bertrand and Sendhil Mullainathan found that call-back rates on identical (and made-up) résumés were substantially higher for white-sounding names such as Emily and Greg.

True, employers could be racially discriminating. But once Fryer and Levitt take into account parents' socioeconomic status, the researchers find that a person's name no longer predicts much about later economic outcomes, such as whether he or she winds up living in a rich or poor area. That is, ultimately it matters whether your parents are well-educated or rich but not whether they name you Shanice or Molly. Despite the apparent bias of employers against black names on résumés, the whole hiring process operates efficiently enough not to give much weight to names per se.

Thus, the key issue is whether black-white gaps in income and other economic and social indicators are still narrowing rather than whether employers are discriminating against black names. It's the socioeconomic status of blacks that needs attention, not whether a child is named Shanice or Molly.



Dam I was right on the money with Tyrone-lol

Top 20 'Whitest' and 'Blackest' Names

Most Popular Boy and Girl Names
Sept. 21, 2006 — - Studies of resumes have found that people with black-sounding names are less likely to get callbacks.

"20/20" put 22 pairs of names to the test, posting identical resumes except for the names at the top.

Watch "20/20" Friday Night at 10

The resumes with the white-sounding names were actually downloaded 17 percent more often by job recruiters than the resumes with black-sounding names.

What are some of those names? Here's a list from the book "Freakonomics," by Steven D. Levitt and Stephen J. Dubner, showing the top 20 whitest- and blackest-sounding girl and boy names.


20 "Whitest" Girl Names

Molly
Amy
Claire
Emily
Katie
Madeline
Katelyn
Emma
Abigail
Carly
Jenna
Heather
Katherine
Caitlin
Kaitlin
Holly
Allison
Kaitlyn
Hannah
Kathryn




20 "Blackest" Girl Names

Imani
Ebony
Shanice
Aaliyah
Precious
Nia
Deja
Diamond
Asia
Aliyah
Jada
Tierra
Tiara
Kiara
Jazmine
Jasmin
Jazmin
Jasmine
Alexus
Raven




20 "Whitest" Boy Names

Jake
Connor
Tanner
Wyatt
Cody
Dustin
Luke
Jack
Scott
Logan
Cole
Lucas
Bradley
Jacob
Garrett
Dylan
Maxwell
Hunter
Brett
Colin




20 "Blackest" Boy Names

DeShawn
DeAndre
Marquis
Darnell
Terrell
Malik
Trevon
Tyrone
Willie
Dominique
Demetrius
Reginald
Jamal
Maurice
Jalen
Darius
Xavier
Terrance
Andre
Darryl

Copyright © 2007 ABC News Internet Ventures
http://abcnews.go.com/2020/print?id=2470131

Top 20 'Whitest' and 'Blackest' Names

Most Popular Boy and Girl Names
Sept. 21, 2006 — - Studies of resumes have found that people with black-sounding names are less likely to get callbacks.

"20/20" put 22 pairs of names to the test, posting identical resumes except for the names at the top.

Watch "20/20" Friday Night at 10

The resumes with the white-sounding names were actually downloaded 17 percent more often by job recruiters than the resumes with black-sounding names.

What are some of those names? Here's a list from the book "Freakonomics," by Steven D. Levitt and Stephen J. Dubner, showing the top 20 whitest- and blackest-sounding girl and boy names.


20 "Whitest" Girl Names

Molly
Amy
Claire
Emily
Katie
Madeline
Katelyn
Emma
Abigail
Carly
Jenna
Heather
Katherine
Caitlin
Kaitlin
Holly
Allison
Kaitlyn
Hannah
Kathryn




20 "Blackest" Girl Names

Imani
Ebony
Shanice
Aaliyah
Precious
Nia
Deja
Diamond
Asia
Aliyah
Jada
Tierra
Tiara
Kiara
Jazmine
Jasmin
Jazmin
Jasmine
Alexus
Raven




20 "Whitest" Boy Names

Jake
Connor
Tanner
Wyatt
Cody
Dustin
Luke
Jack
Scott
Logan
Cole
Lucas
Bradley
Jacob
Garrett
Dylan
Maxwell
Hunter
Brett
Colin




20 "Blackest" Boy Names

DeShawn
DeAndre
Marquis
Darnell
Terrell
Malik
Trevon
Tyrone
Willie
Dominique
Demetrius
Reginald
Jamal
Maurice
Jalen
Darius
Xavier
Terrance
Andre
Darryl

Copyright © 2007 ABC News Internet Ventures
http://abcnews.go.com/2020/print?id=2470131



Thanks for the Program Note

lol @ the 4 different versions of Jasmine. I didnt know that was a black name.

Thanks for the Program Note
:rofl:

20/20 did a segment and they tested the theory abt black sounding names vs. white sounding names. The employers almost always chose the white sounding name applicants for an interview.

Top 20 'Whitest' and 'Blackest' Names

Most Popular Boy and Girl Names
Sept. 21, 2006 — - Studies of resumes have found that people with black-sounding names are less likely to get callbacks.

"20/20" put 22 pairs of names to the test, posting identical resumes except for the names at the top.

http://abcnews.go.com/2020/print?id=2470131


I remember watching an episode like that. I also remember they had this black guy calling apartment buildings that were in the paper. And they had him calling each place twice using two different voices. And when he used his proper voice he was told that they vacancies and when he used his tough slang voice he was told that they didn't have any vacancies.

I remember watching an episode like that. I also remember they had this black guy calling apartment buildings that were in the paper. And they had him calling each place twice using two different voices. And when he used his proper voice he was told that they vacancies and when he used his tough slang voice he was told that they didn't have any vacancies.
that only makes sense. If someone calls an employer and asks for a job opening and is speaking "gangsta", they should expect the employer to shoot them down. You should always try to speak proper when speaking to a possible interviewer.

that only makes sense. If someone calls an employer and asks for a job opening and is speaking "gangsta", they should expect the employer to shoot them down. You should always try to speak proper when speaking to a possible interviewer.

He wasn't speaking like a gangster only as a black man looking for an apartment. But the way he sound, you would think of a big black guy.

that only makes sense. If someone calls an employer and asks for a job opening and is speaking "gangsta", they should expect the employer to shoot them down. You should always try to speak proper when speaking to a possible interviewer.

True.

He wasn't speaking like a gangster only as a black man looking for an apartment. But the way he sound, you would think of a big black guy.
oh, well you said "tough slang voice", i thought you meant he was speaking like that.

that only makes sense. If someone calls an employer and asks for a job opening and is speaking "gangsta", they should expect the employer to shoot them down. You should always try to speak proper when speaking to a possible interviewer.
Brie was speaking abt a black man calling for apartments, not a job. When it was abt the jobs, the employer went SOLELY BY THE NAME ON THE APPLICATION...never giving the black person a chance. The guy calling on the phone using two different types of "talk" was always told there was no vacancies when he talked a certain way. When he talked "like a white man" he was told there was vacancies AT THE SAME LOCATION. Also, when he called and sounded like a "white man" he was told come on down we have vacancies, BUT, when he arrived and the landlord saw that he was "black", all of a sudden there was NO VACANCIES. Talk abt discrimination.

Brie was speaking abt a black man calling for apartments, not a job. When it was abt the jobs, the employer went SOLELY BY THE NAME ON THE APPLICATION...never giving the black person a chance. The guy calling on the phone using two different types of "talk" was always told there was no vacancies when he talked a certain way. When he talked "like a white man" he was told there was vacancies AT THE SAME LOCATION. Also, when he called and sounded like a "white man" he was told come on down we have vacancies, BUT, when he arrived and the landlord saw that he was "black", all of a sudden there was NO VACANCIES. Talk abt discrimination.


Exactly, so you saw that episode also :lol:

He wasn't speaking like a gangster only as a black man looking for an apartment. But the way he sound, you would think of a big black guy.


Well I'm black and I refuse to live around LOUD and CRAZY black people-lol Only Normal Black People

He shouldn't have called and sounded like a HOOD person. So I take it hat when he spoke in a intelligent way he was told to come down?-lol You can't call places about jobs or apts and sound like HOODISH-lol

Exactly, so you saw that episode also :lol:
Yep!!! I sure did. I was very angry while watching that segment.

Solomon, he wasn't talking "hoodish", but he wasn't talking like Tom Willis either. As a matter of fact, he sounded like George Jefferson.

Yep!!! I sure did. I was very angry while watching that segment.

Solomon, he wasn't talking "hoodish", but he wasn't talking like Tom Willis either. As a matter of fact, he sounded like George Jefferson.


Well that's not good either because George wasn't a Good Speaker-lol

Brie was speaking abt a black man calling for apartments, not a job. When it was abt the jobs, the employer went SOLELY BY THE NAME ON THE APPLICATION...never giving the black person a chance. The guy calling on the phone using two different types of "talk" was always told there was no vacancies when he talked a certain way. When he talked "like a white man" he was told there was vacancies AT THE SAME LOCATION. Also, when he called and sounded like a "white man" he was told come on down we have vacancies, BUT, when he arrived and the landlord saw that he was "black", all of a sudden there was NO VACANCIES. Talk abt discrimination.
yea, i got that when Brie replied to my post.

I remember watching an episode like that. I also remember they had this black guy calling apartment buildings that were in the paper. And they had him calling each place twice using two different voices. And when he used his proper voice he was told that they vacancies and when he used his tough slang voice he was told that they didn't have any vacancies.


You know, when I'm on the phone, people can never tell if I'm black or white. I think I like it like that because folks shouldn't figure out my race first. Get to know me first.

Well that's not good either because George wasn't a Good Speaker-lol
But George didn't sound like he was from the hood either. He wasn't gangsta or ghettoish (as you put it). It was obvious he was black, but people wouldn't expect someone who talks like that to be rich, to be educated, to be smart, intelligient, etc. One reason people shouldn't be judged solely on how they talk or sound. What does that say abt people who may have a speech impediment? They shouldn't be allowed a chance because they don't "talk right"?

But George didn't sound like he was from the hood either. He wasn't gangsta or ghettoish (as you put it). It was obvious he was black, but people wouldn't expect someone who talks like that to be rich, to be educated, to be smart, intelligient, etc. One reason people shouldn't be judged solely on how they talk or sound. What does that say abt people who may have a speech impediment? They shouldn't be allowed a chance because they don't "talk right"?



Irene, George sounded Ghetto-lol OK?-lol

Irene, George sounded Ghetto-lol OK?-lol
He sounded COOL.

He sounded COOL.


These are the Black Men I think of who have nice Speaking Voices

Kobe Bryant

Michael Wilboun-ESPN

Ahmad Rashad-NBC

James Brown-Fox

Will Smith