That it was not that bad! I was expecting a real stinker judging from the bashing that this episode got. I kind of liked it!:)

That it was not that bad! I was expecting a real stinker judging from the bashing that this episode got. I kind of liked it!:)



a lot of people probably don;t like it because the episode got away from the typical Good Times episode with the Evans in a financial Jam and the fact that it was a Overweight White Woman who was not that much of a looker, most feel that it didn;t feel like a GOOD TIMES ep. i really liked it

a lot of people probably don;t like it because the episode got away from the typical Good Times episode with the Evans in a financial Jam and the fact that it was a Overweight White Woman who was not that much of a looker, most feel that it didn;t feel like a GOOD TIMES ep. i really liked it
Solomon, don't lie. I have never said I didn't like it because she is white and overweight. Brie has never said that either. I can't recall anyone stating that. Her looks had nothing to do with it.

Solomon, don't lie. I have never said I didn't like it because she is white and overweight. Brie has never said that either. I can't recall anyone stating that. Her looks had nothing to do with it.



I know, I'm just saying no one has never gave a detailed reason as to why they didn't like it. I was just guessing, and it wouldn;t mean that u were racist because u didn;t like it because she was white, it would just mean that you felt she was not a good fit for the Good times situation.

I said she looked like a clown, maybe that's it.

http://www.sitcomsonline.com/boards/showpost.php?p=2246453&postcount=11

I said she looked like a clown, maybe that's it.

http://www.sitcomsonline.com/boards/showpost.php?p=2246453&postcount=11

you were supposed to look past her physical look and appreciate her talents-lol

you were supposed to look past her physical look and appreciate her talents-lol

I'd appreciate her talents, just not on Good Times. Maybe if she was trying to get a record deal and stopped by WKRP in Cincinnati to sing, maybe then. But not on Good Times. I just couldn't help looking at how out of place she was on Good Times. :nonono:

I'd appreciate her talents, just not on Good Times. Maybe if she was trying to get a record deal and stopped by WKRP in Cincinnati to sing, maybe then. But not on Good Times. I just couldn't help looking at how out of place she was on Good Times. :nonono:


Only if you were able to see how deep the meaning of her song was you would really put that episode on your-"watchable list"

The episode sucked, because she couldn't sing a lick. She was horrendous Solomon.

The episode sucked, because she couldn't sing a lick. She was horrendous Solomon.



But she wasn't singing the entire episode-lol

But she wasn't singing the entire episode-lol
The entire episode is horrendous. They could have had a skinny or overweight black chick on there singing the same song and I still would hate it. :mad: I hated the Christmas episode where the family performs at Keith's taxi job for the same reason, I don't watch Good Times for singing, I watch it for laughs, the seriousness and the other stuff. The only time I liked singing on the show was when Wanda was in a bind with her rent. :D

And I have given detailed reasons for not liking this episode. Don't say no one has give you that. We have had this discussion waaaay tooooo many times. :crazy:

The entire episode is horrendous. They could have had a skinny or overweight black chick on there singing the same song and I still would hate it. :mad: I hated the Christmas episode where the family performs at Keith's taxi job for the same reason, I don't watch Good Times for singing, I watch it for laughs, the seriousness and the other stuff. The only time I liked singing on the show was when Wanda was in a bind with her rent. :D

And I have given detailed reasons for not liking this episode. Don't say no one has give you that. We have had this discussion waaaay tooooo many times. :crazy:


Ok so your Reason was the SINGING which made you not like it-lol Got it

Had JJ been the manager of a girl who could sing her ass off, an Aretha Franklin type or Mariah Carey type of singer (regardless of her race or weight), then I probably would have enjoyed it more. I mean, the song was boring as hell. She was boring as hell. Give me someone who could "jam" or sing her lungs out, someone who would make me want to watch.

Had JJ been the manager of a girl who could sing her ass off, an Aretha Franklin type or Mariah Carey type of singer (regardless of her race or weight), then I probably would have enjoyed it more. I mean, the song was boring as hell. She was boring as hell. Give me someone who could "jam" or sing her lungs out, someone who would make me want to watch.



I wish me you and Brie could watch this episode Together One day-lol That way I would explain what was so DEEP about it-lol

I wish me you and Brie could watch this episode Together One day-lol That way I would explain what was so DEEP about it-lol
You keep telling us abt how "deep" this episode is. I want to bury this episode sooooo DEEP into the ground and never see it again!:lol:

If anything, I think the writers were using Judith, BECAUSE of the fact that she was white and overweight...they were using her for cheap laughs. Even the character talked abt herself "not in a good light".

You keep telling us abt how "deep" this episode is. I want to bury this episode sooooo DEEP into the ground and never see it again!:lol:

If anything, I think the writers were using Judith, BECAUSE of the fact that she was white and overweight...they were using her for cheap laughs. Even the character talked abt herself "not in a good light".



You mean like


J.J: Well I'm a manager looking for a Group

Judy: well I'm a Group looking for a Manager


LOL

You mean like


J.J: Well I'm a manager looking for a Group

Judy: well I'm a Group looking for a Manager


LOL
That was one of the things, but also her mere appearance the first time she was shown, the audience laughed AT HER.

That was one of the things, but also her mere appearance the first time she was shown, the audience laughed AT HER.



Yeah you maybe right-lol I lookesd past it because it was ust too much wrong with her to laugh

a lot of people probably don;t like it because the episode got away from the typical Good Times episode with the Evans in a financial Jam and the fact that it was a Overweight White Woman who was not that much of a looker, most feel that it didn;t feel like a GOOD TIMES ep. i really liked it



It's still in the typical Good Times theme with JJ trying to be a talent manager trying to find an act to get the family out of the ghetto. The way Judy performed wasn't all about her singing voice to me, but how she started off with a peppy, happy go-lucky, up beat song, then BOOM, turned it around to a sad, emotional, heart felt song, then BOOM, right back to being up beat. That's the talent, to change emotions on the a drop of a dime. I liked this episode, that girl had skillz as a performer.

It's still in the typical Good Times theme with JJ trying to be a talent manager trying to find an act to get the family out of the ghetto. The way Judy performed wasn't all about her singing voice to me, but how she started off with a peppy, happy go-lucky, up beat song, then BOOM, turned it around to a sad, emotional, heart felt song, then BOOM, right back to being up beat. That's the talent, to change emotions on the a drop of a dime. I liked this episode, that girl had skillz as a performer.



Exactly my reason for liking the ep

:brent

how she started off with a peppy, happy go-lucky, up beat song, then BOOM, turned it around to a sad, emotional, heart felt song, then BOOM, right back to being up beat. That's the talent, to change emotions on the a drop of a dime. I liked this episode, that girl had skillz as a performer.

Thank you for the greatest laugh I've had in a while.

:brent



Thank you for the greatest laugh I've had in a while.



Listening to the song made me think of the Evans Good Times and bad Times

Listening to the song made me think of the Evans Good Times and bad Times
Then, Florida should have sang it. :lol:

Then, Florida should have sang it. :lol:


Judy did a good enough job

Judy did a good enough job

Not that good. We never heard the Evans' saying "hey that girl Judith Cohen is a big success now" afterwards. That other manager probably couldn't do anything for her either.

Not that good. We never heard the Evans' saying "hey that girl Judith Cohen is a big success now" afterwards. That other manager probably couldn't do anything for her either.
Another one of those moments that we only seen or heard once. We never heard abt J.J.'s fiancee Diana ever again. I mean, seriously, what was the purpose of this episode? Were the writers really hard up to think of ideas???:confused: :confused: :rolleyes:

Another one of those moments that we only seen or heard once. We never heard abt J.J.'s fiancee Diana ever again. I mean, seriously, what was the purpose of this episode? Were the writers really hard up to think of ideas???:confused: :confused: :rolleyes:

I'm guessing to show drugs in the ghetto, it can happen to any family. But yesh we should have heard from or about her in later episodes

I'm guessing to show drugs in the ghetto, it can happen to any family. But yesh we should have heard from or about her in later episodes
Sorry Brie, I meant, what was the purpose of the judith cohen story...I messed up in my grammar there, it sounded like I was referring to the Diana episode when I meant the Judith episode.

I'm guessing to show drugs in the ghetto, it can happen to any family. But yesh we should have heard from or about her in later episodes



In Philly Crack Addicts are referred to as "ROCK STARS"


LOL-Don't ask me why. Been hearing it for years

I thought that it was a good episode. It seemed out of the context for what qualifies as "Good Times" storyline. It was okay and cool to see the Evans deal with people out of their element.

I thought that it was a good episode. It seemed out of the context for what qualifies as "Good Times" storyline. It was okay and cool to see the Evans deal with people out of their element.


Well I'm glad to hear there-lol

In Philly Crack Addicts are referred to as "ROCK STARS"


LOL-Don't ask me why. Been hearing it for years


Oooookkkkkkk?

Oooookkkkkkk?


Since you were on the topic of Drug addicts I thought I would throw another Philly Term at you-lol

Since you were on the topic of Drug addicts I thought I would throw another Philly Term at you-lol


Well in that case, here we just use the word Crack Head :lol:

I think everyone at SO (except Solomon) was disappointed with this ep - that it was ever made!! :lol: I can't hear Send in the Clowns anymore without thinking of this ep! :mad:

I seen this episode a couple of weeks ago, and didn't like it at all. It just didn't fit the Good Times series at all, and wasn't very funny to me.

I seen this episode a couple of weeks ago, and didn't like it at all. It just didn't fit the Good Times series at all, and wasn't very funny to me.

why because she was white?

why because she was white?

I don't think that's what bfuller07 meant. I strongly second that. This episode should have been repackaged or thrown right in the can.

I don't think that's what bfuller07 meant. I strongly second that. This episode should have been repackaged or thrown right in the can.


Then what did bfuller07 mean then?

Then what did bfuller07 mean then?

I can't speak for that poster, but what I think he/she meant was that Judith Cohen had nothing to do with Good Times. Her name was neevr mentioned before or after that show. She didn't seem to fit the chemistry of being a guest on the show. This was about a black family struggling in the projects, and all of a sudden this lame pudgy comedian who can't sing makes a guest star and did nothing for the episode. She must have been friends with one of the writers for her to make an appearance.

I can't speak for that poster, but what I think he/she meant was that Judith Cohen had nothing to do with Good Times. Her name was neevr mentioned before or after that show. She didn't seem to fit the chemistry of being a guest on the show. This was about a black family struggling in the projects, and all of a sudden this lame pudgy comedian who can't sing makes a guest star and did nothing for the episode. She must have been friends with one of the writers for her to make an appearance.


And Tyrone who was a Thin Black Comedian and not funny had nothing to do with Good Times either. So now what?

I can't speak for that poster, but what I think he/she meant was that Judith Cohen had nothing to do with Good Times. Her name was neevr mentioned before or after that show. She didn't seem to fit the chemistry of being a guest on the show. This was about a black family struggling in the projects, and all of a sudden this lame pudgy comedian who can't sing makes a guest star and did nothing for the episode. She must have been friends with one of the writers for her to make an appearance.


Totally agree, they should have just stuck with Michael and the other guys singing. I would have rather watch them compete in a talent show and sing the same song over and over and over again, than to watch Judith sing "Send in the Clowns." I would have rather watched Florida sing, at least that would have been entertaining.

The episode just sucked.

Totally agree, they should have just stuck with Michael and the other guys singing. I would have rather watch them compete in a talent show and sing the same song over and over and over again, than to watch Judith sing "Send in the Clowns." I would have rather watched Florida sing, at least that would have been entertaining.

The episode just sucked.


I'm confident that if Judy was Black, Thin, and attractive most of you would not hate this episode that much. The fact that she was White, Fat, and Unattractive, most of you can get past that and realize its a great episode of season 4

I'm confident that if Judy was Black, Thin, and attractive most of you would not hate this episode that much. The fact that she was White, Fat, and Unattractive, most of you can get past that and realize its a great episode of season 4


Her race, size and looks have nothing to do with it. You don't seem to get that, I've said it time and time again that the episode just sucks, it's boring, not appealing at all.

I’ll take it a step farther, The Judith Cohn Story and The Comedian and the Loan Shark episode are neck and neck, neither fit the whole Good Times feel, and they both SUCKED. So both of those episodes are on the same playing field.

I've not seen that episode in years--heck I totally forgot it existed. And I agree--that episode can be erased and no one would shed a tear!

Her race, size and looks have nothing to do with it. You don't seem to get that, I've said it time and time again that the episode just sucks, it's boring, not appealing at all.

I’ll take it a step farther, The Judith Cohn Story and The Comedian and the Loan Shark episode are neck and neck, neither fit the whole Good Times feel, and they both SUCKED. So both of those episodes are on the same playing field.


That's the best explanation you provided for not liking Judith Cohen since you been here-lol

And Tyrone who was a Thin Black Comedian and not funny had nothing to do with Good Times either. So now what?

I didn't say that. That episode was wack too. He did nothing for the show either. I guess they figured lame stand-ups can help the show now that John Amos left.

You act like The Judy Cohen episode was the best ever episode of the entire series and seem to get bent when people criticize that dumb ass episode!

I didn't say that. That episode was wack too. He did nothing for the show either. I guess they figured lame stand-ups can help the show now that John Amos left.

You act like The Judy Cohen episode was the best ever episode of the entire series and seem to get bent when people criticize that dumb ass episode!


Yeah because all you see when you watch that ep is FAT and UNATTRCTIVE

I can't speak for that poster, but what I think he/she meant was that Judith Cohen had nothing to do with Good Times. Her name was neevr mentioned before or after that show. She didn't seem to fit the chemistry of being a guest on the show. This was about a black family struggling in the projects, and all of a sudden this lame pudgy comedian who can't sing makes a guest star and did nothing for the episode. She must have been friends with one of the writers for her to make an appearance.
Good post.

Solomon, remember how you hate the episode abt Florida's friend who is pregnant and wants to give up her child, you stated you didn't like the episode because WE NEVER SEEN THAT CHARACTER BEFORE, she came out of nowhere, we never heard of her before, you like the show to stick with the principal actors, etc. So, this Judith episode is the same damn thing. Should I find that post for you where you said that Solomon?;)

Yeah because all you see when you watch that ep is FAT and UNATTRCTIVE


All I see when I watch that ep is BORING and STUPID!

Yeah because all you see when you watch that ep is FAT and UNATTRCTIVE
I find it weird that YOU keep making that assumption abt everyone here Solomon. Those words come out of your mouth, no one else's. You know what they say abt people who assume...

Also, you tend to be negative towards women who are fat, black and loud, unattractive, etc. Why all of a sudden are you accusing people of saying what you say a lot?

I find it weird that YOU keep making that assumption abt everyone here Solomon. Those words come out of your mouth, no one else's. You know what they say abt people who assume...

Also, you tend to be negative towards women who are fat, black and loud, unattractive, etc. Why all of a sudden are you accusing people of saying what you say a lot?

With all jokes aside, he acts like Judy Cohen is his girlfriend.

I find it weird that YOU keep making that assumption abt everyone here Solomon. Those words come out of your mouth, no one else's. You know what they say abt people who assume...

Also, you tend to be negative towards women who are fat, black and loud, unattractive, etc. Why all of a sudden are you accusing people of saying what you say a lot?


Because most times a person never explained why that particular ep didn't fit in the GT series

Good post.

Solomon, remember how you hate the episode abt Florida's friend who is pregnant and wants to give up her child, you stated you didn't like the episode because WE NEVER SEEN THAT CHARACTER BEFORE, she came out of nowhere, we never heard of her before, you like the show to stick with the principal actors, etc. So, this Judith episode is the same damn thing. Should I find that post for you where you said that Solomon?;)
And this post of mine above has yet to be answered^^^^. ;)

Good post.

Solomon, remember how you hate the episode abt Florida's friend who is pregnant and wants to give up her child, you stated you didn't like the episode because WE NEVER SEEN THAT CHARACTER BEFORE, she came out of nowhere, we never heard of her before, you like the show to stick with the principal actors, etc. So, this Judith episode is the same damn thing. Should I find that post for you where you said that Solomon?;)


If someone had said that then I would have been like Ok I understand. But when a person says-"SHE DIDN"T FIT ON GOOD TIMES" it sounds racist

If someone had said that then I would have been like Ok I understand. But when a person says-"SHE DIDN"T FIT ON GOOD TIMES" it sounds racist
Well, she didn't. :lol: From what the show had shown us before, white people are uptight, they look down on black poor people, they can't get a taxi in their neighborhood, they are afraid of the projects, they only want a black person around to keep a white daughter safe while attending college. The show made it a point that white people are either bufoons or stupid or even racist. So, out of the blue we see J.J. being a MANAGER all of a sudden. How did that come abt? It was just thrown at us like J.J. had been a manager for a long time. How stupid was that?

Well, she didn't. :lol: From what the show had shown us before, white people are uptight, they look down on black poor people, they can't get a taxi in their neighborhood, they are afraid of the projects, they only want a black person around to keep a white daughter safe while attending college. The show made it a point that white people are either bufoons or stupid or even racist. So, out of the blue we see J.J. being a MANAGER all of a sudden. How did that come abt? It was just thrown at us like J.J. had been a manager for a long time. How stupid was that?


But J.J BROUGHT her to the Evans Home from seeing her in a downtown nightclub. So I'm still having trouble with the-"DON"T FIT" comment.

But J.J BROUGHT her to the Evans Home from seeing her in a downtown nightclub. So I'm still having trouble with the-"DON"T FIT" comment.
The whole episode didn't fit in. Seriously, you think the studio audience and the viewers could get into a woman wanting to sing SEND IN THE CLOWNS? Seriously now. I find it so damn hard to believe that J.J. would even see pass that. He was not a musical genius. Hell, his type of music was R&B not pop tunes or broadway style type songs. The type of people who watched the show were NOT the type to get into a song like that. OH HELL NO. :crazy:

Now, had the episode were made around a white woman who could belt out a song like Aretha Franklin or Chaka Khan (someone the viewers and audience members could identify with at that time in the 70's) THEN AND ONLY THEN, do I think the episode could've worked.

The woman was singing "Send in the Clowns" and was dressed as a clown for goodness sake. You can't tell me that song and act fit in with Good Times.

Solomon just face it, the episode SUCKED a big one.

The woman was singing "Send in the Clowns" and was dressed as a clown for goodness sake. You can't tell me that song and act fit in with Good Times.

Solomon just face it, the episode SUCKED a big one.


Like I said before I appreciated how DEEP the episode was when she sung send in the clowns. I got the message but none of yall didn't get it

I appreciate the song. I grew up when that song was very popular. I appreciate something diverse in a good show, but this was not the way to do it. This episode needed more than that to make it an over all good episode. GT was all abt messages and other times it was just for laughs, this one didn't fit either. I felt bad if anything, for the actress because I felt like she was being laughed at. Not a good message to be sending to people when you hear the studio audience laughing at a character. What good laughs were there in this episode? I hope I don't make this sound stupid or racial, but do you really think the majority of viewers of GT really would have liked to see a white woman sing a song like that? Like I said, had she belted out a jazz song or sing a song like Etta James or Aretha Franklin, it more than likely would have been better.

I appreciate the song. I grew up when that song was very popular. I appreciate something diverse in a good show, but this was not the way to do it. This episode needed more than that to make it an over all good episode. GT was all abt messages and other times it was just for laughs, this one didn't fit either. I felt bad if anything, for the actress because I felt like she was being laughed at. Not a good message to be sending to people when you hear the studio audience laughing at a character. What good laughs were there in this episode? I hope I don't make this sound stupid or racial, but do you really think the majority of viewers of GT really would have liked to see a white woman sing a song like that? Like I said, had she belted out a jazz song or sing a song like Etta James or Aretha Franklin, it more than likely would have been better.


Why did she have to have a black purpose to be on the show????

Well, first of all, she didn't have to be a black woman, but had she belted out a song like that, it would have been awesome because looking at Judith, you wouldn't expect her to sing a song like that. I like when a person can surprise me like that.

Overall, when it came to GT, the white characters were almost never shown in a positive light. Judith was a positive person, but her character was also made to look goofy. Why bring on a character to make fun of and then later try and get us to like her simply because she can sing?

Overall the episode was boring. I can't pick out a good moment that was good. Oh, yeah, there is one good moment...the end.

Well, first of all, she didn't have to be a black woman, but had she belted out a song like that, it would have been awesome because looking at Judith, you wouldn't expect her to sing a song like that. I like when a person can surprise me like that.

Overall, when it came to GT, the white characters were almost never shown in a positive light. Judith was a positive person, but her character was also made to look goofy. Why bring on a character to make fun of and then later try and get us to like her simply because she can sing?

Overall the episode was boring. I can't pick out a good moment that was good. Oh, yeah, there is one good moment...the end.


Well the fans of Good Times you are saying couldn't get into her singing would be the immature and closeminded fans who are only used to one type of comedy. That ep was for the Mature and openminded GT fans

Well the fans of Good Times you are saying couldn't get into her singing would be the immature and closeminded fans who are only used to one type of comedy. That ep was for the Mature and openminded GT fans
I am mature and open-minded as I am sure all the fans here on the board are, but still we don't like it. What good is having one good moment in an episode when the overall episode is boring, dull and forgetful?

I am mature and open-minded as I am sure all the fans here on the board are, but still we don't like it. What good is having one good moment in an episode when the overall episode is boring, dull and forgetful?


I guess I just expect fans who are 12 to 19 years old to not understand the episode. And remember the First Half of the episode was without Judy, so we are only talking about the last half

I guess I just expect fans who are 12 to 19 years old to not understand the episode. And remember the First Half of the episode was without Judy, so we are only talking about the last half
Oh I am sure people understand the episode, but it was BORING AS HELL. It could have been done in a better fashion. Michael and his singing group was totally overshadowed.

Oh I am sure people understand the episode, but it was BORING AS HELL. It could have been done in a better fashion. Michael and his singing group was totally overshadowed.


Well did you like the ep with the White J.J?? The white Guy was acting black so a lot of GT fans should have enjoyed that ep-lol

Well did you like the ep with the White J.J?? The white Guy was acting black so a lot of GT fans should have enjoyed that ep-lol
No one liked that episode. Again, another white person acting like a buffoon is what that was all abt. :crazy: I don't know anyone on this board who liked that episode either.

And I never said Judith should have ACTED black, I said if she had sang a song that the viewers would identify with such as an Aretha Franklin song or something. Singing a song and ACTING BLACK are two totally different things.

No one liked that episode. Again, another white person acting like a buffoon is what that was all abt. :crazy: I don't know anyone on this board who liked that episode either.

And I never said Judith should have ACTED black, I said if she had sang a song that the viewers would identify with such as an Aretha Franklin song or something. Singing a song and ACTING BLACK are two totally different things.


But there are tons of black people who like White Singers too, not just Areatha Franklin, i'm trying to follow you here-lol

I don't understand why race is even being brought up. Judith being white, and Judith being heavy set has nothing at all to do with the reasons why this show doesn't fit. The episode SUCKED it was BORING. I doubt that a person who's in prison, who's locked up in Solitary, who hasn't had any human contact in year, I seriously doubt that they would have liked this episode.

It was just BORING BORING BORING BORING BORING BORING BORING BORING BORING BORING BORING BORING BORING BORING BORING BORING BORING BORING BORING BORING BORING BORING BORING BORING BORING BORING BORING BORING BORING BORING BORING BORING BORING BORING BORING BORING BORING BORING BORING BORING BORING BORING BORING BORING BORING BORING BORING BORING BORING BORING BORING BORING BORING BORING BORING BORING BORING BORING BORING BORING BORING BORING BORING BORING BORING BORING BORING BORING BORING BORING BORING BORING BORING BORING BORING BORING BORING BORING BORING BORING BORING BORING BORING BORING BORING BORING BORING BORING BORING BORING BORING BORING BORING BORING BORING BORING BORING BORING BORING BORING BORING BORING BORING BORING BORING BORING BORING BORING BORING BORING BORING BORING BORING BORING BORING BORING BORING BORING BORING BORING BORING BORING BORING BORING BORING BORING BORING BORING BORING BORING BORING BORING BORING BORING BORING BORING BORING BORING BORING BORING BORING BORING BORING BORING BORING BORING BORING BORING BORING BORING BORING BORING BORING BORING BORING BORING BORING BORING BORING BORING BORING BORING BORING BORING BORING BORING BORING BORING BORING BORING BORING BORING BORING BORING BORING BORING BORING BORING BORING BORING BORING BORING BORING BORING BORING BORING BORING BORING BORING BORING BORING BORING BORING BORING BORING BORING BORING BORING BORING BORING BORING BORING BORING BORING BORING BORING BORING BORING BORING BORING BORING BORING BORING BORING BORING BORING BORING BORING BORING BORING BORING BORING BORING BORING BORING BORING BORING BORING BORING BORING BORING BORING BORING BORING AS HELL

I don't understand why race is even being brought up. Judith being white, and Judith being heavy set has nothing at all to do with the reasons why this show doesn't fit. The episode SUCKED it was BORING. I doubt that a person who's in prison, who's locked up in Solitary, who hasn't had any human contact in year, I seriously doubt that they would have liked this episode.

It was just BORING BORING BORING BORING BORING BORING BORING BORING BORING BORING BORING BORING BORING BORING BORING BORING BORING BORING BORING BORING BORING BORING BORING BORING BORING BORING BORING BORING BORING BORING BORING BORING BORING BORING BORING BORING BORING BORING BORING BORING BORING BORING BORING BORING BORING BORING BORING BORING BORING BORING BORING BORING BORING BORING BORING BORING BORING BORING BORING BORING BORING BORING BORING BORING BORING BORING BORING BORING BORING BORING BORING BORING BORING BORING BORING BORING BORING BORING BORING BORING BORING BORING BORING BORING BORING BORING BORING BORING BORING BORING BORING BORING BORING BORING BORING BORING BORING BORING BORING BORING BORING BORING BORING BORING BORING BORING BORING BORING BORING BORING BORING BORING BORING BORING BORING BORING BORING BORING BORING BORING BORING BORING BORING BORING BORING BORING BORING BORING BORING BORING BORING BORING BORING BORING BORING BORING BORING BORING BORING BORING BORING BORING BORING BORING BORING BORING BORING BORING BORING BORING BORING BORING BORING BORING BORING BORING BORING BORING BORING BORING BORING BORING BORING BORING BORING BORING BORING BORING BORING BORING BORING BORING BORING BORING BORING BORING BORING BORING BORING BORING BORING BORING BORING BORING BORING BORING BORING BORING BORING BORING BORING BORING BORING BORING BORING BORING BORING BORING BORING BORING BORING BORING BORING BORING BORING BORING BORING BORING BORING BORING BORING BORING BORING BORING BORING BORING BORING BORING BORING BORING BORING BORING BORING BORING BORING BORING BORING BORING BORING BORING BORING BORING BORING BORING AS HELL
RIGHT ON!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :lol: :lol: Judith could have been a skinny, black woman and it still would have been BORING.

RIGHT ON!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :lol: :lol: Judith could have been a skinny, black woman and it still would have been BORING.


I agree with you. Color or size had nothing to do with that Episode being so bad. Case closed.

I agree with you. Color or size had nothing to do with that Episode being so bad. Case closed.


Instead of bumping up an old thread to say the same thing everyone said who didn't like the episode, won't you try giving your OWN reason why you feel the episode was bad.

Instead of bumping up an old thread to say the same thing everyone said who didn't like the episode, won't you try giving your OWN reason why you feel the episode was bad.
Maybe because the member feels there is nothing different to add to what has already been said. Maybe the member is agreeing on the points that have already been made and wants to agree on those points. If Brie, myself and several others have already stated many logical reasons for the episode being bad, then this member probably came along and read those reasons and agreed with them. How many other ways can someone say the episode was BORING? I can type it in spanish, that would be a different way of saying it, but it would be the SAME THING.

Maybe because the member feels there is nothing different to add to what has already been said. Maybe the member is agreeing on the points that have already been made and wants to agree on those points. If Brie, myself and several others have already stated many logical reasons for the episode being bad, then this member probably came along and read those reasons and agreed with them. How many other ways can someone say the episode was BORING? I can type it in spanish, that would be a different way of saying it, but it would be the SAME THING.



Well it he.she had nothing new to bring to the debate looks like wasn't needed, correct?

Well it he.she had nothing new to bring to the debate looks like wasn't needed, correct?
Every member's view/post is always welcomed. Just because the member did NOT agree with you is the real issue. :lol:

I wouldn't type out my feelings abt an episode if everyone else already said the same thing over and over. I would simply put, "I agree."

Every member's view/post is always welcomed. Just because the member did NOT agree with you is the real issue. :lol:

I wouldn't type out my feelings abt an episode if everyone else already said the same thing over and over. I would simply put, "I agree."


And when I see I agree i'm going to say-"WHY???



lol

And when I see I agree i'm going to say-"WHY???



lol
And I would say, "I agree with what everyone else already stated."

And I would say, "I agree with what everyone else already stated."


then i would say-"well it looks like your response wasn't needed"



LOL-LOL

then i would say-"well it looks like your response wasn't needed"



LOL-LOL
And that is how you should treat new members? We want people to post and get a feel for what it is like around here. That kind of posting may keep them away and what good is that? :crazy:

And that is how you should treat new members? We want people to post and get a feel for what it is like around here. That kind of posting may keep them away and what good is that? :crazy:


real good if all they can add is-"I AGREE", that's why i like jude, that's a new member i love chatting with, he brings his A GAME. That's my BOY-lol

real good if all they can add is-"I AGREE", that's why i like jude, that's a new member i love chatting with, he brings his A GAME. That's my BOY-lol


Flattery will get you......A BRAND NEW DVD SET OF SANFORD!!:lol:

and new member? in the words of Endora--"I BEG YOUR PARDON!!!" :happyface

And why is this thread still going on? EVERYONE knows that this episode is a cataclysmic petrified turd!:D

Flattery will get you......A BRAND NEW DVD SET OF SANFORD!!:lol:

and new member? in the words of Endora--"I BEG YOUR PARDON!!!" :happyface

And why is this thread still going on? EVERYONE knows that this episode is a cataclysmic petrified turd!:D


it died until someone gave the thread life to say-'i agree with everyone'


LOL

The entire episode is horrendous. They could have had a skinny or overweight black chick on there singing the same song and I still would hate it. :mad: I hated the Christmas episode where the family performs at Keith's taxi job for the same reason, I don't watch Good Times for singing, I watch it for laughs, the seriousness and the other stuff. The only time I liked singing on the show was when Wanda was in a bind with her rent. :D

And I have given detailed reasons for not liking this episode. Don't say no one has give you that. We have had this discussion waaaay tooooo many times. :crazy:

OMG I loved that Christmas episode. Espically when Willona came down off the state and started high-fiving the audience, during the music "break down" :)

Also, I though Keith's impressions and Bookman's dancing were really good. Michael's song? eh!

I din't like that Judith Cohen episode either, I also didn't like the one with that flat sounding comediene "Tyrone Tyler" UGH those 2 episodes were horrible!

OMG I loved that Christmas episode. Espically when Willona came down off the state and started high-fiving the audience, during the music "break down" :)

Also, I though Keith's impressions and Bookman's dancing were really good. Michael's song? eh!

I din't like that Judith Cohen episode either, I also didn't like the one with that flat sounding comediene "Tyrone Tyler" UGH those 2 episodes were horrible!



I think that Tyrone ep was worst than the judith ep

Also, I though Keith's impressions and Bookman's dancing were really good. Michael's song? eh!




Bookman's dancing?? OMG.......that dancing was just....NOT RIGHT!
:rofl:

I think that Tyrone ep was worst than the judith ep


You would think that :lol:

You would think that :lol:


Well I wouldn't I think that? He was standing on stage looking crazy-lol

Bookman's dancing?? OMG.......that dancing was just....NOT RIGHT!
:rofl:
:rofl:


Solomon, Tyrone was supposed to look crazy and not do his routine well. That is what the episode was abt. He wasn't supposed to be great at being a comedian, that was the storyline. This way J.J. gets in trouble with those hoods at the club.

BTW, that was dumb how J.J. who is always cracking jokes, has no problem being or acting a fool in front of people, all of a sudden had stage fright when he was doing the jokes. :crazy:

:rofl:


Solomon, Tyrone was supposed to look crazy and not do his routine well. That is what the episode was abt. He wasn't supposed to be great at being a comedian, that was the storyline. This way J.J. gets in trouble with those hoods at the club.

BTW, that was dumb how J.J. who is always cracking jokes, has no problem being or acting a fool in front of people, all of a sudden had stage fright when he was doing the jokes. :crazy:
JJ didn't seem to have a problem MC'ing the Christmas party at Keith's taxi garage, so chalk up yet another inconsistency for GT! :lol:

JJ didn't seem to have a problem MC'ing the Christmas party at Keith's taxi garage, so chalk up yet another inconsistency for GT! :lol:
Thank you. See what I mean? :lol: J.J. went from this guy who wasn't afraid to be himself at all or even act a fool in front of people, then all of a sudden he can't MC? :crazy:

Wow. I stumbled across this thread because I saw the Judy Cohen episode and was curious if she did anything besides "Good Times." Now I'm just trying to understand why one person keeps insisting that everyone hated the episode because Judy was white and unattractive. I think "I found the episode boring" says it all; some folks simply weren't entertained by it. What's the confusion? I'd hardly call that racist. Some folks thought Jimmie Walker wasn't funny. Ah well.

As long as I'm here, Judy Cohen was clearly talented, but it did seem like a strange episode, compared to the rest of the series. I find it hard to believe that a cabaret act about clowns would be a big smash in that establishment. Again, the song was lovely, she had a nice voice, but I'd expect to something artsy and Broadway like that in the Village.

Wow. I stumbled across this thread because I saw the Judy Cohen episode and was curious if she did anything besides "Good Times." Now I'm just trying to understand why one person keeps insisting that everyone hated the episode because Judy was white and unattractive. I think "I found the episode boring" says it all; some folks simply weren't entertained by it. What's the confusion? I'd hardly call that racist. Some folks thought Jimmie Walker wasn't funny. Ah well.

As long as I'm here, Judy Cohen was clearly talented, but it did seem like a strange episode, compared to the rest of the series. I find it hard to believe that a cabaret act about clowns would be a big smash in that establishment. Again, the song was lovely, she had a nice voice, but I'd expect to something artsy and Broadway like that in the Village.


Well to me it was the HIGHLIGHT of season 4 after such an emotional opening to that season.

I'd expect to something artsy and Broadway like that in the Village.

Send in the Clowns was a Broadway song.

"Send in the Clowns" is a song by Stephen Sondheim from the 1973 musical A Little Night Music. It is a ballad from Act II in which the character Desirée reflects on the ironies and disappointments of her life.

Sondheim created the song specifically for the actress Glynis Johns who created the role of Desirée on Broadway. It became Sondheim's most popular song after Judy Collins recorded it in 1975. Subsequently, Frank Sinatra, Barbra Streisand, Shirley Bassey, Tiger Lillies and many other famous artists have recorded the song, and it became a jazz standard.

I bought Good Times the complete series on DVD and I'm on season 4, so I came across this one. This was very difficult for me to sit through. If she was a good entertainer, I would have watched it, but once the Send in the Clowns bit started, onto fast forward Judith went. She was just shouting at the audience, her face devoid of any human emotion. In a clown outfit.

I bought Good Times the complete series on DVD and I'm on season 4, so I came across this one. This was very difficult for me to sit through. If she was a good entertainer, I would have watched it, but once the Send in the Clowns bit started, onto fast forward Judith went. She was just shouting at the audience, her face devoid of any human emotion. In a clown outfit.

i thought it was a beautiful song

If she was a good entertainer, I would have watched it,

If she was a good entertainer, she wouldn't have J.J. as her manager! :lol:

Sorry that was too good to pass up! :wave:

If she was a good entertainer, she wouldn't have J.J. as her manager! :lol:

Sorry that was too good to pass up! :wave:
YES!! :clap :rofl:

Wow. I stumbled across this thread because I saw the Judy Cohen episode and was curious if she did anything besides "Good Times." Now I'm just trying to understand why one person keeps insisting that everyone hated the episode because Judy was white and unattractive. I think "I found the episode boring" says it all; some folks simply weren't entertained by it. What's the confusion? I'd hardly call that racist. Some folks thought Jimmie Walker wasn't funny. Ah well.

As long as I'm here, Judy Cohen was clearly talented, but it did seem like a strange episode, compared to the rest of the series. I find it hard to believe that a cabaret act about clowns would be a big smash in that establishment. Again, the song was lovely, she had a nice voice, but I'd expect to something artsy and Broadway like that in the Village.

I couldn't agree more. Race is not the issue and I loath when people pull out the race card, especially when they're trying to challenge someone's opinion about something as trivial as a 30+ year old television show. :rolleyes: The episode doesn't fit and is seriously unfunny. I remember thinking it was bizarre when I saw it as a kid. I always figured it had to be setup for a failed/canceled spin-off or something.

The episode is on right now and Judith singing "Send in the Clowns" is painful to watch. It's a good song but her performance of it was strange to say the least.

Wow, this thread sure has gotten some MAJOR mileage!!

I couldn't agree more. Race is not the issue and I loath when people pull out the race card, especially when they're trying to challenge someone's opinion about something as trivial as a 30+ year old television show. :rolleyes: The episode doesn't fit and is seriously unfunny. I remember thinking it was bizarre when I saw it as a kid. I always figured it had to be setup for a failed/canceled spin-off or something.

The episode is on right now and Judith singing "Send in the Clowns" is painful to watch. It's a good song but her performance of it was strange to say the least.


I'm disappointed I missed the episode

sorry what episode is this again i was watching something else

I can honestly say that i did not expect this thread to get 7 pages! I thought it would get like 2, maybe....:happyface :crazy:

I can honestly say that i did not expect this thread to get 7 pages! I thought it would get like 2, maybe....:happyface :crazy:

:lol: :lol: :lol:

I can't find this episode on youtubeat all. I don't feel like looking for my tape.

I agree with those who say this episode sucked. The Judith Cohen character was a type better suited to a Woody Allen movie or Taxi eisode than Good Times. And why is Judith Cohen credited as playing 'herself' (as though she was 'somebody') when it's clearly a fictitious character and 'the real Judith Cohen' wasn't famous (then or now)? Weird.

The Evans just don't seem like the Evans here. Was it intended maybe as a pilot of sorts for a Judith Cohen sitcom? Who'd have cared? Or did Norman Lear just want to show blacks getting along nice with a Jewish girl? Who knows - it was a real lame, awkward episode, notable only cause it's SO seventies. I feel 'malaise' just thinking about it.

I agree with those who say this episode sucked. The Judith Cohen character was a type better suited to a Woody Allen movie or Taxi eisode than Good Times. And why is Judith Cohen credited as playing 'herself' (as though she was 'somebody') when it's clearly a fictitious character and 'the real Judith Cohen' wasn't famous (then or now)? Weird.

The Evans just don't seem like the Evans here. Was it intended maybe as a pilot of sorts for a Judith Cohen sitcom? Who'd have cared? Or did Norman Lear just want to show blacks getting along nice with a Jewish girl? Who knows - it was a real lame, awkward episode, notable only cause it's SO seventies. I feel 'malaise' just thinking about it.


Aww come on it was a nice switch from the normal depressing episodes

I agree with those who say this episode sucked. The Judith Cohen character was a type better suited to a Woody Allen movie or Taxi eisode than Good Times. And why is Judith Cohen credited as playing 'herself' (as though she was 'somebody') when it's clearly a fictitious character and 'the real Judith Cohen' wasn't famous (then or now)? Weird.

The Evans just don't seem like the Evans here. Was it intended maybe as a pilot of sorts for a Judith Cohen sitcom? Who'd have cared? Or did Norman Lear just want to show blacks getting along nice with a Jewish girl? Who knows - it was a real lame, awkward episode, notable only cause it's SO seventies. I feel 'malaise' just thinking about it.


Yes, this was one of those episodes I couldn't stand either. I still don't watch it today, because it was THAT boring. I guess based on this thread a lot of people felt the same way...lol. I notice sometimes when sitcoms go way off the mark and heavily feature another character, it is often a setup for a spin-off. I'm not exactly sure that was happening here, but it was extremely different from the typical Good Times episodes where the Evans family are heavily featured along with the guest stars. Plus, Good Times was a Norman Lear show, and he was pretty notorious for creating spin-offs. Several sitcoms that were on the air in the 70s extended from other shows already on the air.

Yes, this was one of those episodes I couldn't stand either. I still don't watch it today, because it was THAT boring. I guess based on this thread a lot of people felt the same way...lol. I notice sometimes when sitcoms go way off the mark and heavily feature another character, it is often a setup for a spin-off. I'm not exactly sure that was happening here, but it was extremely different from the typical Good Times episodes where the Evans family are heavily featured along with the guest stars. Plus, Good Times was a Norman Lear show, and he was pretty notorious for creating spin-offs. Several sitcoms that were on the air in the 70s extended from other shows already on the air.


No Lear spinoff started from a character having one appearance so it defintely was a setup for that

No Lear spinoff started from a character having one appearance so it defintely was a setup for that


Thats basically what I meant.:wave: Because there were so many sitcom spin-offs in the 70s, you could often tell when it was in the works. But of course, a lot of times those shows didn't get picked up.

Usually when.a spinoff is being set up you don't see any other characters from the show. You just see that character around other characters.