I will be getting the NBC episode of this episode in the mail soon and I found out the story wasn;t only written for the Natalie character because Lisa Welchel didn;t want to do the episode. I wanted to know do you feel this was a ODD storyline for the Natalie and that it only should have been for the Blair character? I probably won't be able to stop from laughing when watching this

In all honesty, I actually like that it was about Natalie as opposed to Blair. I of course would have liked to see Blair in the episode, but I don't think the episode would have been that OOC for any of the four.

All were supposed to be in their early 20's, all had or had had serious relationships where realistically sex would be an issue.

Heck, Natalie had been dating Snake for quite awhile. Tootie had contemplated sex a few times over the years. Jo had had a serious relationship with her much older professor, not to mention contemplated living with her boyfriend at the beginning of the season. Blair almost got engaged to Cliff. So it's hard for me to believe in a way that this is the first any of them are dealing with losing their virginity.

Actually, the way Blair was written in later years it actually seemed like of the four she would probably have been the biggest tease. Or maybe Tootie. So I actually think the story made the most sense for either Nat or Jo.

I don't even remember what snake looks like so I will defintley be watching that ep

I thinnk that probably she just would have been the last to lose it. Like raya just said, the girls were way old enought o be having sex. And unless it was mentioned in that episode that any of the others ones were still virgins, then I had just assumed they all had already had sex.

I DON'T THINK ANY OF THE GIRLS HAD SEX PRIOR TO THIS. I HAD THOUGHT ABOUT THIS BEFORE.

TOOTIE DIDN'T-ALMOST, BUT DIDN'T. BLAIR DIDN'T-WAS ALWAYS A TEASE, AS SHE SAID, AND NEVER LET HER DATE KISS HER ON THE FIRST DATE. (AND ON A PERSONAL NOTE-I DON'T THINK LISA WOULD'VE WANTED IT ASSUMED REMOTELY THAT BLAIR HAD SEX BEFORE MARRIAGE) JO-IF ANYONE WOULD HAVE, IT WOULD HAVE BEEN HER. BUT I THINK WHEN SHE WAS YOUNGER, LIKE WITH EDDIE, AND NOT AS SHE GREW UP. BY THAT TIME, HER HEAD WAS ON MORE STRAIGHT AND WAS VERY PRINCIPLED.

EVEN WHEN I READ COMMENTS AFTER THIS ORIGINALLY AIRED, THAT NATALIE WOULD HAVE BEEN THE LAST PERSON (I GUESS BECAUSE SHE WAS OVERWEIGHT), MY FIRST INSTINCT WAS, NO, SHE WOULD SEEM THE LOGICAL CHOICE TO ME, AND JO THE LAST, BECAUSE JO WOULDN'T DO THAT.

ALTHOUGH, I WILL SAY, WHEN NAT ASKED JO WHAT SHE THOUGHT OF THE WHOLE SITUATION, AND JO SAID IT'S NONE OF HER BUSINESS; AND WHEN BLAIR ASKED FOR JO'S OPINION ON MONICA'S POSSIBLE ABORTION, JO AGAIN REPLIED IT'S NONE OF HER BUSINESS, IT GAVE ME REASON TO PAUSE. MY THINKING WAS THAT JO HAS GONE THROUGH SOME STUFF NO ONE KNEW OF, AND SPOKE FROM EXPERIENCE; OTHERWISE SHE FELT IT REALLY WASN'T HER PLACE TO SAY. IT WAS UP TO THEMSELVES TO DRAW THEIR OWN CONCLUSIONS, AND BECAUSE THEY RESPECTED HER, SHE DID NOT WANT WHAT SHE HAD TO SAY TO INFLUENCE THEM IN ANY WAY.

MY THOUGHT IS IF THIS HAD REALLY HAPPENED BEFORE, IT WOULD'VE BEEN DISCUSSED. EVERYTHING ELSE WAS, AND THIS IS SUCH AN IMPORTANT ISSUE, I DON'T THINK THE WRITER'S WOULD LET US ASSUME OTHERS HAD LOST THEIR VIRGINITY BEFORE. BESIDES, I THINK THE POINT OF "THE FIRST TIME" WAS MEANT AS THE FIRST TIME OF ALL THE GIRLS. NOT JUST NAT'S.

JUST MY OWN PERSONAL THOUGHTS & OBSERVATIONS;)

The way they write the episode, we are definitely supposed to presume that Natalie is the first to lose her virginity.

Somewhere in the 9th season, Tootie does outwardly say that she is waiting for marriage. But at least she does contemplate the issue a few times over the years.

Jo's initial almost shocked reaction to Natalie makes one presume she hasn't had sex either. But beyond that there is a line in the episode where Rick/Jo get married where they are hassling over the wedding and Rick makes a comment about the wedding night, once again implying that they haven't gone there yet.

But I also always find it interesting that as soon as Rick/Jo tie the knot, the show then had no problem making fairly innocent type sex jokes at Jo's expense. I guess since she was married, it was considered okay.

Blair it's never really mentioned, but that probably has more to do with Lisa's beliefs than Blair.

Though I disagree with Jo Jr. in that if it were any of the girls I would have seen it as Nat or Jo first. Just because Jo tended to get herself into more serious relationships than Blair. Jo dated less guys, but more intensely if that makes any sense.

I don't even remember what snake looks like so I will defintley be watching that ep

He's the ticket scalper, Mike Damone, in "Fast Times at Ridgemont High."

I will be getting the NBC episode of this episode in the mail soon and I found out the story wasn;t only written for the Natalie character because Lisa Welchel didn;t want to do the episode. I wanted to know do you feel this was a ODD storyline for the Natalie and that it only should have been for the Blair character? I probably won't be able to stop from laughing when watching this
Why? Because Natalie is an overweight white girl? Hey, if you can like Judith Cohen (an overweight white girl) for her singing and talent, then Natalie can have a boyfriend and lose her virginity.

Solomon, you have a one track mind. :lol:

Why? Because Natalie is an overweight white girl? Hey, if you can like Judith Cohen (an overweight white girl) for her singing and talent, then Natalie can have a boyfriend and lose her virginity.

Solomon, you have a one track mind. :lol:



No because she was NERDY not because of her weight and Race

No because she was NERDY not because of her weight and Race
She may have been nerdy in the beginning, but by this season, she had really grown up and was no longer the young Natalie.

She may have been nerdy in the beginning, but by this season, she had really grown up and was no longer the young Natalie.



Well it sounds like I should be looking for the Mailman-lol Looking forward to it

Well it sounds like I should be looking for the Mailman-lol Looking forward to it
Exactly.

The way they write the episode, we are definitely supposed to presume that Natalie is the first to lose her virginity.

Somewhere in the 9th season, Tootie does outwardly say that she is waiting for marriage. But at least she does contemplate the issue a few times over the years.

Jo's initial almost shocked reaction to Natalie makes one presume she hasn't had sex either. But beyond that there is a line in the episode where Rick/Jo get married where they are hassling over the wedding and Rick makes a comment about the wedding night, once again implying that they haven't gone there yet.

But I also always find it interesting that as soon as Rick/Jo tie the knot, the show then had no problem making fairly innocent type sex jokes at Jo's expense. I guess since she was married, it was considered okay.

Blair it's never really mentioned, but that probably has more to do with Lisa's beliefs than Blair.

Though I disagree with Jo Jr. in that if it were any of the girls I would have seen it as Nat or Jo first. Just because Jo tended to get herself into more serious relationships than Blair. Jo dated less guys, but more intensely if that makes any sense.


I totally agree, and snake wasn't bad looking :) . I thought that the episode fit Natalie better than Blair. I can't picture Blair talking to Beverly Ann about losing her virginity the way Natalie did.

This is one of my all time favorite episodes.

I totally agree, and snake wasn't bad looking :) . I thought that the episode fit Natalie better than Blair. I can't picture Blair talking to Beverly Ann about losing her virginity the way Natalie did.

This is one of my all time favorite episodes.


I will let you know How I felt about it-lol

I will let you know How I felt about it-lol


I'm glad one of them actually had sex, it was hard to believe that all of the girls had long term boyfriends and no one was getting any. At least Natalie broke that mold.

I'm glad one of them actually had sex, it was hard to believe that all of the girls had long term boyfriends and no one was getting any. At least Natalie broke that mold.



Remember Sex isn't everything-lol But I guess we were just supposed to assume they had sex since they were over 18

Remember Sex isn't everything-lol But I guess we were just supposed to assume they had sex since they were over 18


Sex isn't everything but how many 21 22 23 yr old women and men do you know who's in a long term relationship, and their not having sex? It's very rare, But it's a great thing to hold off until you find that special someone when you're ready or until you're married.

I'm glad one of them actually had sex, it was hard to believe that all of the girls had long term boyfriends and no one was getting any.

:lol: Well said!

It strikes me as unrealistic as well. . . So, let me just be straightforward and ask this: Do the actions or inactions of a TV character really affect the sexual choices of the viewership? I mean, was it really common in the '80s to find girls around America abstaining from sex until marriage because "Blair" was?

And yes, I acknowledge this is none of my damn business, but do you think Lisa was virgin when got married? (I certainly know her feelings about the subject, but I cannot recall her ever actually admitting that she waited until marriage.)

I seem to be in the minority here, but I always assumed from day one that Jo was not a virgin. I'm not sure why, but I always thought she had a bf prior to Eddie that she had sex with. And I always assumed that she and Eddie "did the deed" as well. I never once thought that Jo was a virgin until that Natalie episode. And I remember thinking it was stupid that she was so surpised about Natalie. I remember thinking, this makes absolutely no sense. Blair, yes. Tootie, yes. Jo a virgin? It never once crossed my mind.

Jo's reaction to Natalie's having sex is the one thing about that episode that really surprised me. It just seemed a bit out of character for me.
Ok, so I never thought Eddie and Jo (IMO) had sex at all especially considering how nervous she was when they were in the motel room and she was wearing the nightie before she changed her mind and Blair and Mrs. G barged in. I don't think after that, the deed even happened between them. I'm not saying that Jo never at least thought about it though. LOL But I felt like Nancy protrayed Jo as not being ready to have sex yet (at least in the Eastland years).

As for consequent boyfriends, that's a different story;I thought she at least did it once... Like raya said, Jo's pretty intense when it comes to relationships. I mean when her boyfriend asked her to move in w/ him, yeah she was surprised and taken aback by his request but I didn't sense a "whoa i'm a virgin" feeling from her in that malibu episode. I don't know, sorry just me rambling and it's too "early" for me to sleep.

I find it very odd that Lisa refussed to appear on this episode because she was a devoted christian, but yet she agreed to appear in "Best Sister" where she bashes God and says he doesn't exist.

I agree on all accounts tfolfan76.

That's what was sort of so back and forth with this show.

I agree that I thought Jo's shocked reaction to Natalie was a bit off in this episode. Even if Jo was a virgin, she was always rather realistic about life. I mean...c'mon...she had friends/knew people who committed suicide and lived on the streets and got involved with drugs, but was shocked that someone in a long term relationship had sex? I expect that from Tootie, not Jo.

I also agree with you that I never thought anything happened with Eddie or pre-Eddie solely based on how nervous she was in "Teenage Marriage" when they got into the motel room. Plus anytime we saw her kiss Eddie it was pretty chaste.

But between her professor boyfriend who was at least 30 and the guy she almost moved in with in Malibu, I find it hard to believe that she waited until marriage. It's not that sex is everything, but the professor guy was a good ten years older than her, was a father and wanted to marry her. They dated for quite awhile.

Then it didn't seem to be an issue when that other guy wanted her to move in with him. Hell, even Blair didn't act like it was a big deal when she thought they were living together and sharing a room.

My take on the matter was that to me the show was actually a bit more risque in the early Eastland days. Not that it was risque, but they dealt with more hot button topics and weren't quite as straight laced.

However for the most part they skipped over the issue of sex with the girls (with a few exceptions) and you just were left to your own assumptions as to what they did with their significant others.

By the late 80's, I think there was this new standard of morality on tv. These were good girls (both on and off screen) and I think the producers were so afraid of them doing anything to be seen in a different light that they felt the need to go a bit overboard at times to make sure we really knew how good they were.