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lilhave
12-08-2006, 01:42 PM
Lawyer argues sex with dead deer not crime

MARIA LOCKWOOD, SUPERIOR DAILY TELEGRAM

Nov. 16, 2006

Prosecution of a Douglas County case involving alleged sexual contact with a dead deer may hinge on the legal definition of the word “animal.”

Bryan James Hathaway, 20, of Superior faces a misdemeanor charge of sexual gratification with an animal. He is accused of having sex with a dead deer he saw beside Stinson Avenue on Oct. 11.

A motion filed last week by his attorney, public defender Fredric Anderson, argued that because the deer was dead, it was not considered an animal and the charge should be dismissed.

“The statute does not prohibit one from having sex with a carcass,” Anderson wrote.

Judge Michael Lucci heard the motion Tuesday.

“I’m a little surprised this issue hasn’t been tackled before in another case,” Lucci said.

The Webster’s dictionary defines “animal” as “any of a kingdom of living beings,” Anderson said.

If you include carcasses in that definition, he said, “you really go down a slippery slope with absurd results.”

Anderson argued: When does a turkey cease to be an animal? When it is dead?

When it is wrapped in plastic packaging in the freezer? When it is served, fully cooked?

A judge should decide what the Legislature intended “animal” to mean in the statute, he said. “And the only clear point to draw the line in that definition, I believe, is the point of death.”

Assistant District Attorney James Boughner said the court can use a dictionary to determine the meaning of the word, but it doesn’t have to.

“The common and ordinary meaning of a word can be found in how people actually use the word,” Boughner wrote in his response to the motion.

When a person’s pet dog dies, he told Lucci, the person still refers to the dog as his or her dog, not a carcass.

“It stays a dog for some time,” Boughner said.

He referred to the criminal complaint, in which Hathaway told police he saw the dead deer in the ditch and moved it into the woods. Hathaway called it a dead deer, Boughner said, not a carcass.

“It did not lose its essence as a deer, an animal, when it died,” he said.

Anderson argued that the statute, which falls under the heading “crimes against sexual morality,” was meant to protect animals. That would be unnecessary in the case of a dead animal.

“If you look at the other crimes that are in this subsection, they all protect against something other than simply things we don’t like or things we find disgusting,” he said.

Other crimes in that subsection include incest, bigamy, public fornication and lewd and lascivious behavior.

Boughner said the focus of the statute was on punishing the human behavior, not protecting animals.

“It does not seem to draw a line between the living and the dead,” he said.

Interpreting the statute to exclude dead animals would also exclude freshly killed animals, Boughner said. That, he said, could lead to people who commit such acts with animals to kill them.

Lucci said he would render a decision by Hathaway’s next court appearance on Dec. 1.

The misdemeanor charge carries a maximum penalty of nine months in jail and a fine of up to $10,000. If convicted, Hathaway could serve a prison term of up to two years because of a previous conviction. In April 2005, Hathaway pleaded no contest to one felony charge of mistreatment of an animal for the shooting death of Bambrick, a 26-year-old horse, to have sex with the animal.

Brieannas21
12-08-2006, 02:08 PM
That's one sick sick sick man. They should lock him away in someones mental hospital than in prison. He has some serious issues he need to deal with.

Ireneparalegal
12-08-2006, 02:20 PM
If having sex with a dead deer is not a crime, then the lawyer should allow that defendant to have sex with HIM!

Derek from NY
12-08-2006, 06:15 PM
Last I checked, necrophilia was a crime(except in Wisconsin).

lilhave
12-08-2006, 07:15 PM
Last I checked, necrophilia was a crime(except in Wisconsin).

You mean, Ed Gein, the "butcher of Plainfield"?. Now there was a sicko. Way back in the mid 50's and it made headlines right here in New York.

Ireneparalegal
12-08-2006, 07:22 PM
Last I checked, necrophilia was a crime(except in Wisconsin).
Necrophelia doesn't apply to animals, only humans.

Lex Luthor
12-08-2006, 07:58 PM
Necrophelia doesn't apply to animals, only humans.


I was not sure on that one from a legal aspect but doesn't the term refer to sexual attraction to dead "things". Either way this guy needs some SERIOUS help.

A dead deer, in broad daylight, in public. Isn't having sex in public regardless of the partner (term used very loosely here) not illegal.

Guy needs a straight jacket and rubber room for awhile.

Derek from NY
12-08-2006, 08:47 PM
Necrophelia doesn't apply to animals, only humans.


I don't see what the difference is. It's sick whatever way you look at it.

Ireneparalegal
12-08-2006, 08:51 PM
I don't see what the difference is. It's sick whatever way you look at it.
I agree. However, there is a big difference between sex with a human being that is ALIVE and sex with an animal, whether that animal is DEAD OR NOT. :lol:

Courtnee
12-08-2006, 10:38 PM
Necrophelia doesn't apply to animals, only humans.
I think he means beastiality

I am Roboto
12-09-2006, 09:11 AM
Reminds me of the guy in California who killed a horse by having sex wtih it while he was drunk. Luckily he's in prison.

Czas na Zywiec
12-09-2006, 02:52 PM
I remember watching one of those "Caught on Camera" specials on FOX a few years ago. This one guy who was working the graveyard shift in a pinata factory was caught having sex with one of the pinatas because apparently he got himself "stuck" on some metal spring and had to call the fire department to come over and set him free. :rotflmao:

lilhave
12-09-2006, 02:54 PM
I agree. However, there is a big difference between sex with a human being that is ALIVE and sex with an animal, whether that animal is DEAD OR NOT. :lol:

It's a way of life for the Gauchos on the Pampas in Argentina. As revolting as it sounds, it's the cowboys and their sheep.

Harvey

Czas na Zywiec
12-09-2006, 02:56 PM
It's a way of life for the Gauchos on the Pampas in Argentina. As revolting as it sounds, it's the cowboys and their sheep.

Harvey

Same with cowboys in Wyoming. Their state motto is "Wyoming - Where men are men...and the sheep are scared." :D

~LadyJess~
12-09-2006, 02:57 PM
I remember watching one of those "Caught on Camera" specials on FOX a few years ago. This one guy who was working the graveyard shift in a pinata factory was caught having sex with one of the pinatas because apparently he got himself "stuck" on some metal spring and had to call the fire department to come over and set him free. :rotflmao:

:rofl: Omg, that's great. Can't say that I will ever look at pinatas the same way again though.

lilhave
12-09-2006, 03:00 PM
Same with cowboys in Wyoming. Their state motto is "Wyoming - Where men are men...and the sheep are scared." :D

That's said in jest about the cowboys in Wyoming but in Argentina the cowboys are out there for six mos. stretches and I guess sitting around the campfire and swapping tall tales, don't do the trick.

To me, sheep make good sweaters.

Ireneparalegal
12-09-2006, 03:03 PM
I remember watching one of those "Caught on Camera" specials on FOX a few years ago. This one guy who was working the graveyard shift in a pinata factory was caught having sex with one of the pinatas because apparently he got himself "stuck" on some metal spring and had to call the fire department to come over and set him free. :rotflmao:
I seen that. :rofl: Why didn't the idiot just rip apart the damn pinata? It's not like it was made of concrete or something. Then again, why didn't he just NOT DO IT. FRIGGIN IDIOT!!!!

lilhave
12-09-2006, 03:09 PM
I seen that. :rofl: Why didn't the idiot just rip apart the damn pinata? It's not like it was made of concrete or something. Then again, why didn't he just NOT DO IT. FRIGGIN IDIOT!!!!

Because there are sickos out there. Last month we had someone, a female no less put in their avitar and it was posted for one day in the trading forum, a gentleman, if that is the term, having sex with a donkey. To make matters worse, the donkey didn't even smile.

Czas na Zywiec
12-09-2006, 03:22 PM
I seen that. :rofl: Why didn't the idiot just rip apart the damn pinata? It's not like it was made of concrete or something. Then again, why didn't he just NOT DO IT. FRIGGIN IDIOT!!!!

Maybe he liked the idea of "being caught?" http://www.skyscrapercity.com/images/smilies/nixweiss.gif Who knows. I used to love those specials. The other "caught in the act" one that I liked was a guy who got his peice stuck in the suction holes in a hot tub, and he couldn't get out of it because the suction kept pulling him in. lmao that must have been painful. he also had to get the fire department to get him free, but they had to eventually drain the hot tub, break into the concrete, and pull him out that way because he was like....secured in place even after turning the suctioning off. :lol:

Do you remember the lady who would pee in her boss's chair at work? She's like, sit in one of those small couches in the corner, pee in it, and just flip the cusion around. And she'd be doing this for weeks before a camera finally caught her. lol I never understood THAT one.

Czas na Zywiec
12-09-2006, 03:25 PM
That's said in jest about the cowboys in Wyoming but in Argentina the cowboys are out there for six mos. stretches and I guess sitting around the campfire and swapping tall tales, don't do the trick.

To me, sheep make good sweaters.

I'm totally serious. I live an hour away from Wyoming and let me tell you, the people who come out of there are a little bit off, moreso than normal people. there's more people in my city than in the entire state of Wyoming so those call for some lonely times.

Ireneparalegal
12-09-2006, 04:44 PM
Maybe he liked the idea of "being caught?" http://www.skyscrapercity.com/images/smilies/nixweiss.gif Who knows. I used to love those specials. The other "caught in the act" one that I liked was a guy who got his peice stuck in the suction holes in a hot tub, and he couldn't get out of it because the suction kept pulling him in. lmao that must have been painful. he also had to get the fire department to get him free, but they had to eventually drain the hot tub, break into the concrete, and pull him out that way because he was like....secured in place even after turning the suctioning off. :lol:

Do you remember the lady who would pee in her boss's chair at work? She's like, sit in one of those small couches in the corner, pee in it, and just flip the cusion around. And she'd be doing this for weeks before a camera finally caught her. lol I never understood THAT one.
I remember those...LMFAO!!!!!! :brent The one abt the chair was so damn funny, I mean, who would've thought????

I remember one where a guy was pissed at his boss and he PEED IN THE COFFEE DECANTER!!!!!!!! GROSS AND NOT TO MENTION HOW DISTURBING, what if the guy had some disease and this poor boss would drink the coffee and get infected with something?????:eek:

lilhave
12-09-2006, 04:52 PM
I remember those...LMFAO!!!!!! :brent The one abt the chair was so damn funny, I mean, who would've thought????

I remember one where a guy was pissed at his boss and he PEED IN THE COFFEE DECANTER!!!!!!!! GROSS AND NOT TO MENTION HOW DISTURBING, what if the guy had some disease and this poor boss would drink the coffee and get infected with something?????:eek:

While in school I had a part time job in a bank and the boss in the telex dept. was a hated SOB. Anyway this one guy puts Ex_Lax in the coffee pot. It looks like chocolate, melts right in and is dynamite stuff. No one went for the coffee except the boss. I swear to you, he never left the bathroom for at least a hour. Was tough to keep a straight face. He never found out and everyones's attitude was f##k im!.

Ireneparalegal
12-09-2006, 04:55 PM
While in school I had a part time job in a bank and the boss in the telex dept. was a hated SOB. Anyway this one guy puts Ex_Lax in the coffee pot. It looks like chocolate, melts right in and is dynamite stuff. No one went for the coffee except the boss. I swear to you, he never left the bathroom for at least a hour. Was tough to keep a straight face. He never found out and everyones's attitude was f##k im!.
:brent :brent

swedeace
12-09-2006, 05:00 PM
Now....that is just really sick.