View Full Version : Was Bobby Knight wrong for what he did to the Player last Night?
TVFactFan 11-14-2006, 07:50 PM I don't think it was a Big deal, the Player was looking down at the floor when Knight was trying to talk to him and Knight just took his hand and tap him on his chin so he could look him in the eye while he was talking to him. Plus the Player had no problem with it so I really don't know why ESPN is making this into a HUGE sports story
Ireneparalegal 11-14-2006, 08:04 PM Tapped? I know the difference between a tap (what you do when you tap one on the shoulder when you want their attention) and what Bobby Knight did, by closing his hand into a fist and rather hard, put that fist very quickly to his chin.
http://us.video.aol.com/video.index.adp?mode=2&guideContext=65.73&pmmsid=1767882
TVFactFan 11-14-2006, 08:09 PM Tapped? I know the difference between a tap (what you do when you tap one on the shoulder when you want their attention) and what Bobby Knight did, by closing his hand into a fist and rather hard, put that fist very quickly to his chin.
http://us.video.aol.com/video.index.adp?mode=2&guideContext=65.73&pmmsid=1767882
The fact that the parents of the player had no problems with the way Bobby Knight disciplined their son should defintely mean ESPN should stop talking about it-lol The player himself said he had no problem with it,and his parents so why won't ESPN let it GOOOOOOOOOOOO-LOL
Brian Damage 11-14-2006, 08:13 PM That's why Knight can no longer recruit top players. They are sick of his ****.
Dutabi84 11-14-2006, 11:22 PM Maybe it wasn't a big problem, but it could have been. If that kid's teeth or tongue are in the wrong position, he could have a couple busted teeth, and maybe a mangled tongue. He hit him pretty hard.
Ireneparalegal 11-14-2006, 11:40 PM The fact that the parents of the player had no problems with the way Bobby Knight disciplined their son should defintely mean ESPN should stop talking about it-lol The player himself said he had no problem with it,and his parents so why won't ESPN let it GOOOOOOOOOOOO-LOL
It doesn't have to be my child for me to not like what occurred. And it doesn't have to be my child to say it was wrong.
TVFactFan 11-14-2006, 11:48 PM It doesn't have to be my child for me to not like what occurred. And it doesn't have to be my child to say it was wrong.
I guess I was just surprised that ESPN was still making it a big issue after hearing his parents were not bothered by it
Ireneparalegal 11-15-2006, 12:57 AM By now, anything physical by Bobby Knight will make news. That man still doesn't get it.
Brad Russ 11-15-2006, 02:03 AM I think he should be fined at the very least. What he did was committ assault, plain and simple. Him being a coach doesn't justify that kind of behavior.
TVFactFan 11-15-2006, 10:05 AM I think he should be fined at the very least. What he did was committ assault, plain and simple. Him being a coach doesn't justify that kind of behavior.
Oh come on, assualt?-lol By the way he hit him again last night and it was in back of the head-lol
Brad Russ 11-15-2006, 10:20 AM Oh come on, assualt?-lol By the way he hit him again last night and it was in back of the head-lol
You're damn right that was an assault. The guy had his hand balled up in a fist, and smacked him right on the chin. You put your hands on someone in an aggressive manner like that, and it's assault. What if your boss did that to you?? Are you saying you wouldn't consider it assault if someone did that to you??
TVFactFan 11-15-2006, 10:44 AM You're damn right that was an assault. The guy had his hand balled up in a fist, and smacked him right on the chin. You put your hands on someone in an aggressive manner like that, and it's assault. What if your boss did that to you?? Are you saying you wouldn't consider it assault if someone did that to you??
I guess Knight felt disrespected by the guy not looking him in the eye while he was talking so he wanted to get his attention.
Brian Damage 11-15-2006, 11:16 AM I guess Knight felt disrespected by the guy not looking him in the eye while he was talking so he wanted to get his attention.
So answer Brad's question, if your boss did that to you, what would you call it?
TVFactFan 11-15-2006, 11:40 AM So answer Brad's question, if your boss did that to you, what would you call it?
Well I'm not playing sports so it would no reason for my boss to do that to me-lol
Brad Russ 11-15-2006, 11:48 AM Well I'm not playing sports so it would no reason for my boss to do that to me-lol
So it's okay for him to do that because it's a sport?? :confused: Where in the sport of basketball does it say that if you're a coach, it's okay to ball up your fist, and smack someone on the chin?? I'm not understanding your logic on this one.
Brian Damage 11-15-2006, 11:56 AM Well I'm not playing sports so it would no reason for my boss to do that to me-lol
Playing a children's game is no reason to hit someone. It's a GAME, not real life. If that kid did something reckless and endangered lives, MAYBE it would be ok to slap him upside the head, but to do what Knight did was inexcusable.
Janice 11-15-2006, 11:57 AM It's never right to hit someone, but it looked like a tap to me...if I'm looking at the right video. The link on this thread didn't work for me, so I went to YouTube. I'm not seeing any extreme violence.
Brad Russ 11-15-2006, 12:08 PM It's never right to hit someone, but it looked like a tap to me...if I'm looking at the right video. The link on this thread didn't work for me, so I went to YouTube. I'm not seeing any extreme violence.
No, it wasn't extreme violence, but in my opinion it was far from being just a tap. It looked like it would have stung a little, and if you look at the player right after he did it, he seemed quite shocked.
I wonder if Bobby will ever learn that you can't just go around putting your hands on someone, just because you feel like it?? Somehow I doubt he will.
Bobby F. 11-15-2006, 12:09 PM What would be the difference if after he had gave him that harsh talking to then he swatted him on the ass? Players and coaches do that all the time but mostly for something good. Just because he was pissed would that make it assult? I'm not a Knight fan but I think it's being made into to much of a big deal because it is Knight. He wasn't trying to hit the kid with a closed fist. He was trying to get him to look at him. Not the best way to go about it.
Janice 11-15-2006, 12:20 PM No, it wasn't extreme violence, but in my opinion it was far from being just a tap. It looked like it would have stung a little, and if you look at the player right after he did it, he seemed quite shocked.
I wonder if Bobby will ever learn that you can't just go around putting your hands on someone, just because you feel like it?? Somehow I doubt he will.
It's this one, right? I don't think he should have hit him, but it looks like a little tap to me. I think since it's Knight, it's getting overblown.
http://youtube.com/watch?v=J8OXgAK_rZU
TVFactFan 11-15-2006, 12:30 PM It's this one, right? I don't think he should have hit him, but it looks like a little tap to me. I think since it's Knight, it's getting overblown.
http://youtube.com/watch?v=J8OXgAK_rZU
He hit him again last night in back of the head-lol But it was just a love tap
Brad Russ 11-15-2006, 12:34 PM It's this one, right? I don't think he should have hit him, but it looks like a little tap to me. I think since it's Knight, it's getting overblown.
http://youtube.com/watch?v=J8OXgAK_rZU
Yep, that's the one, although that video isn't too clear. Here's a better video of it.
http://youtube.com/watch?v=VALFA08bla4&mode=related&search=
As far as all the people talking about how it's Bobby Knight, and that's why this is getting so much attention, they're right. And in my opinion, he should be getting extra scrutiny and attention. When you have the reputation that he does, I think you deserve to be under a microscope more than the average person would be. That's just my view.
Janice 11-15-2006, 12:43 PM Yep, that's the one, although that video isn't too clear. Here's a better video of it.
http://youtube.com/watch?v=VALFA08bla4&mode=related&search=
As far as all the people talking about how it's Bobby Knight, and that's why this is getting so much attention, they're right. And in my opinion, he should be getting extra scrutiny and attention. When you have the reputation that he does, I think you deserve to be under a microscope more than the average person would be. That's just my view.
Thanks for that. It is clearer. The guest made good points after the video. I just showed my husband and he laughed and said, "Are they kidding or what? That's a love tap."
I do agree that Knight should keep his hands to himself, but that tap is so mild.
Ireneparalegal 11-15-2006, 01:43 PM Yep, that's the one, although that video isn't too clear. Here's a better video of it.
http://youtube.com/watch?v=VALFA08bla4&mode=related&search=
As far as all the people talking about how it's Bobby Knight, and that's why this is getting so much attention, they're right. And in my opinion, he should be getting extra scrutiny and attention. When you have the reputation that he does, I think you deserve to be under a microscope more than the average person would be. That's just my view.
I agree with you Brad. You have made excellent points. If a teacher did that to a student to get him/her to listen, that would be assault. If a parent did that to a neighbor's son/daughter, that would be assault. If a stranger was talking to someone and that person was not paying attention to them and they did that to get their attention, that would be assault. If a man did that to his wife to "get her to listen to him" that would be assault.
An assault doesn't mean that one actually has to touch another for it to be considered assault. An assault may be committed without actually TOUCHING, striking or doing bodily harm, to the person of another. It is an unlawful attempt to commit battery.
TVFactFan 11-15-2006, 01:51 PM I agree with you Brad. You have made excellent points. If a teacher did that to a student to get him/her to listen, that would be assault. If a parent did that to a neighbor's son/daughter, that would be assault. If a stranger was talking to someone and that person was not paying attention to them and they did that to get their attention, that would be assault. If a man did that to his wife to "get her to listen to him" that would be assault.
An assault doesn't mean that one actually has to touch another for it to be considered assault. An assault may be committed without actually TOUCHING, striking or doing bodily harm, to the person of another. It is an unlawful attempt to commit battery.
Bobby Knigght hit him again last night to prove a point-lol
Ireneparalegal 11-15-2006, 01:56 PM Bobby Knigght hit him again last night to prove a point-lol
I heard abt that. That man needs to keep his hands to himself. Points can be made without being physical abt it. I can see if he tap the guy on the butt, like what happens all the time in sports, but a closed fist to the chin is not something that occurs ALL THE TIME. That's something that Bobby K. does.
Bobby F. 11-15-2006, 02:27 PM I agree with you Brad. You have made excellent points. If a teacher did that to a student to get him/her to listen, that would be assault. If a parent did that to a neighbor's son/daughter, that would be assault. If a stranger was talking to someone and that person was not paying attention to them and they did that to get their attention, that would be assault. If a man did that to his wife to "get her to listen to him" that would be assault.
An assault doesn't mean that one actually has to touch another for it to be considered assault. An assault may be committed without actually TOUCHING, striking or doing bodily harm, to the person of another. It is an unlawful attempt to commit battery.
What about a coach who grabs a players facemask and gives him a tug to make his point? Is that considered assult too? What about a baseball pitcher who intentionally throws at a batter. I agree with your definition of what assult is but sports has always played by their own rules(unless it is completely over the top which this wasn't IMO) and has always policed their own game. Knight should be under a microscope and he was in this deal but the player and his parents, the school, all seem to think this is a non-issue. If this had been Coach K at Duke I doubt it would have gotten the play it has.
Ireneparalegal 11-15-2006, 04:27 PM What about a coach who grabs a players facemask and gives him a tug to make his point? Is that considered assult too? What about a baseball pitcher who intentionally throws at a batter. I agree with your definition of what assult is but sports has always played by their own rules(unless it is completely over the top which this wasn't IMO) and has always policed their own game. Knight should be under a microscope and he was in this deal but the player and his parents, the school, all seem to think this is a non-issue. If this had been Coach K at Duke I doubt it would have gotten the play it has.
As someone who follows baseball, I agree with sports and their having their "own rules". As for those parents and the player, I am sure it is all abt the game and the fact that maybe they don't want to "tip the boat over". If the player stands up for himself, he most likely would be looked upon as a "wuss". If his parents stood up and said something, the son still looks like a "wuss". Along with any other repercussions. I am sure if that young man's boss did that to him, the parents would be singing a different tune. I, for one, would not allow any adult to place their hands on my child, not even for a college game.
My eldest daughter was the the only freshman player on a varsity basketball team. That coach would yell, scream, use profanity and occasionally throw a chair in the locker room. But! never did she ever put her hands on my child or any other player. Had she, I would have yanked my daughter off that team so damn fast and then some.
Brad Russ 11-15-2006, 04:36 PM But! never did she ever put her hands on my child or any other player. Had she, I would have yanked my daughter off that team so damn fast and then some.
Damn straight!!!!!!!! :clap:
Mr. Cranky 11-16-2006, 12:26 AM A bull **** media driven story about nothing. That was no slap, no fist. A lot of baloney.
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