I never got why. Anyone know? I never saw Maude in syndication. I just saw about 20 eps or so that my Aunt had on tape, from years ago. The show is very good, too.

I never got why. Anyone know? I never saw Maude in syndication. I just saw about 20 eps or so that my Aunt had on tape, from years ago. The show is very good, too.


Because people would rather watch the same airhead comedies that are shown over and over by stations like TV Land who never hardly changes their schedule.

Luckily I was able see Maude a lot in syndication during the 80's. I never realized that many stations never picked it up. I was really surprised to find out that many people aren't familar with this show. I know a lot of Golden Girls fans don't even like it.

I never got why. Anyone know? I never saw Maude in syndication. I just saw about 20 eps or so that my Aunt had on tape, from years ago. The show is very good, too.


In your opinion, what makes this a very good show? Just Curious. I finally seen several eps of the show in 2004 and 2005 and I gave the show overall a C. It's watchable but not many Laugh out Loud Moments.

In your opinion, what makes this a very good show? Just Curious. I finally seen several eps of the show in 2004 and 2005 and I gave the show overall a C. It's watchable but not many Laugh out Loud Moments.

I think it's more of the rarity than quality. I mean a lot of the shows in reruns I don't think are really better or worse than Maude. I don't understand how the show was so huge, but it is never given a proper chance in reruns to obtain a new fanbase. It is yanked because channels are scared of the "sponsors" for showing "low-rated" shows.

As for people saying Maude was a political show I don't get it. The episodes I taped from On Demand weren't all political so I don't know what people are yapping about. I do vaguely remember her running for Congress, but other than that what was so constantly political about the show that killed it in syndication?

I just think a lot of people didn't like a dominating and in your face female head character of a show.

I would watch this show anytime over a lot of others, but I guess I'm saying that because I'm a Bea Arthur fan. I enjoy her sarcastic style of humor, and for me that makes the show enjoyable and good over a lot of other programs. I can see why a lot of people don't like it. Plus you get 1980s scream queen Adrienne Barbeau in the series too. :p

I think it's more of the rarity than quality. I mean a lot of the shows in reruns I don't think are really better or worse than Maude. I don't understand how the show was so huge, but it is never given a proper chance in reruns to obtain a new fanbase. It is yanked because channels are scared of the "sponsors" for showing "low-rated" shows.

As for people saying Maude was a political show I don't get it. The episodes I taped from On Demand weren't all political so I don't know what people are yapping about. I do vaguely remember her running for Congress, but other than that what was so constantly political about the show that killed it in syndication?

I just think a lot of people didn't like a dominating and in your face female head character of a show.

I would watch this show anytime over a lot of others, but I guess I'm saying that because I'm a Bea Arthur fan. I enjoy her sarcastic style of humor, and for me that makes the show enjoyable and good over a lot of other programs. I can see why a lot of people don't like it. Plus you get 1980s scream queen Adrienne Barbeau in the series too. :p



Another reason could be there wasn't a lot of FUN Episode Story Lines. I didn't notice a lot from the 50 eps I watched

Another reason could be there wasn't a lot of FUN Episode Story Lines. I didn't notice a lot from the 50 eps I watched

I think Maude is a fun show, although I didn't care much for the charity show episode or the one at the Vermont train station when Arthur and Viv get married.

I really wish I had the one when they try to get Viv's brooch off the dead lady at the funeral home.

I think Maude is a fun show, although I didn't care much for the charity show episode or the one at the Vermont train station when Arthur and Viv get married.

I really wish I had the one when they try to get Viv's brooch off the dead lady at the funeral home.


Another thing is this show is not really popular with YOUNG PEOPLE

Another thing is this show is not really popular with YOUNG PEOPLE


What do the young know? Their opinions don't count. ;)

I don't know. Maybe, alot of people don't like Bea Arthur, maybe they think it's too political. Personally, I love the show even though my political views are the opposite of Bea Arthur's and her Maude Findlay character.

I agree with you Solomon. There aren't alot of "LOL" episodes of Maude. You know, I wonder how successful the show would have been as a Comedy-Drama.

I don't know. Maybe, alot of people don't like Bea Arthur, maybe they think it's too political. Personally, I love the show even though my political views are the opposite of Bea Arthur's and her Maude Findlay character.

I agree with you Solomon. There aren't alot of "LOL" episodes of Maude. You know, I wonder how successful the show would have been as a Comedy-Drama.


There were some things that had me laughing like-"God Will get you for that" But I will never forget the episode when Maude and walter stayed in there bedroom for the entire episode and I just couldn;t believe they would produce a episode like that

There were some things that had me laughing like-"God Will get you for that" But I will never forget the episode when Maude and walter stayed in there bedroom for the entire episode and I just couldn;t believe they would produce a episode like that

Yes, they were getting ready to the party and Walter didn't want to go. I forgot about that one. I still like the TAMU episodes.

Yes, they were getting ready to the party and Walter didn't want to go. I forgot about that one. I still like the TAMU episodes.


I forgot TAMU played a Nerdy Role on the Jeffersons in 1979-lol She was a Housekeeper

There were some things that had me laughing like-"God Will get you for that" But I will never forget the episode when Maude and walter stayed in there bedroom for the entire episode and I just couldn;t believe they would produce a episode like that

Yeah, that was one of my least favorites. Also the episode where they are in the hotel room the entire time. I believe she went with him to some convention and he won an award.

Yeah, that was one of my least favorites. Also the episode where they are in the hotel room the entire time. I believe she went with him to some convention and he won an award.


The episode with Larry from Three's company was Ok

Because it's not like other sitcoms, the humor doesn't appeal to everyone and can be sort of dated. From what I saw of the show, I really liked it.

I forgot TAMU played a Nerdy Role on the Jeffersons in 1979-lol She was a Housekeeper

Was she George and Louise's housekeeper? Wasn't Florence available for an episode?

Was she George and Louise's housekeeper? Wasn't Florence available for an episode?


Tamu was playing the Jeffersons new maid because Florence had met a man and they were planning to get married and Florence was going to move out

Well for one thing it is very out dated, it was too much into the current events. All in the Family had it as a discusion, but it wasn't the whole focus of the show. Maude to me is lets basically hate everyone and the country, where is the fun in that? I just can't get into it, I have seen a few, and it just is to negative

The episode with Larry from Three's company was Ok

I saw him on an episode of Maude and didn't recognize him at first because he had a moustache that looked horrible.

Well for one thing it is very out dated, it was too much into the current events. All in the Family had it as a discusion, but it wasn't the whole focus of the show. Maude to me is lets basically hate everyone and the country, where is the fun in that? I just can't get into it, I have seen a few, and it just is to negative


Let's hate the country and be negative. Hmmmm. Sounds like the show could be a hit again in this day and age with the current situation. The Iraq War, gasoline, social security.....

Let's hate the country and be negative. Hmmmm. Sounds like the show could be a hit again in this day and age with the current situation. The Iraq War, gasoline, social security.....

I don't know about that, Air America is similar and it is failing in the ratings

Maude is not syndicated any more
because its forgotten

it was one of the shows in the 70s that was SO TOPICAL it related to how everyone felt..... but it was TOO Topical and TOO modern and has not aged well

so much of the feminist attitude is outdated and its not shocking any more

the younger crowd has NO IDEA what the show is

too bad,it was a GREAT sitcom

Maude is not syndicated any more
because its forgotten

it was one of the shows in the 70s that was SO TOPICAL it related to how everyone felt..... but it was TOO Topical and TOO modern and has not aged well

so much of the feminist attitude is outdated and its not shocking any more

the younger crowd has NO IDEA what the show is

too bad,it was a GREAT sitcom



It's just not a show to watch over and over again. It's a One Time type of Comedy Show

I enjoyed the show when it was on prime time, to me Maude was funny when whe was going off about something. The episode in which she had an abortion was controversial at the time. Walter hitting Maude during an argument was also controversial. My parents were shocked when Maude called Walter an S.O.B and it wasn't bleeped out. I don't really remember the show being syndicated, until TVLand aired a marathon which is how I taped most of the marathon. The show had a great theme song too.

I'm young and I love the show. I'm sure it's a rarity but I find it fairly funny. I'd love to see it in syndication again. I keep hearing DVD rumors but I get the feeling they won't sell all that well.

I'm young and I love the show. I'm sure it's a rarity but I find it fairly funny. I'd love to see it in syndication again. I keep hearing DVD rumors but I get the feeling they won't sell all that well.


The characters on the show I wasn't too crazy about was Vivian and Mrs. Drunkentuck-lol

The characters on the show I wasn't too crazy about was Vivian and Mrs. Drunkentuck-lol
:lol:

WPGH Channel 53 Pittsburgh used to show it a lot in the 1980s. They had a great line-up on weeknights starting at 6.

One Day at a Time
Jeffersons
Maude
Mary Hartman

They used to show a lot of shows like like Nanny and the Professor, Ghost and Mrs. Muir, Here Comes the Brides, Then Came Bronson, Love American Style. Heck, I even liked watching the Grizzly Adams reruns, but I don't think I could stomach it today.

As far as Maude being a show that doesn't age well, because it took place in the 70s and isn't "timeless", what about All InThe Family? It's pretty similar. They talk about issues from that time, where as shows like "The Honeymooners' never said anyhting about presidents or anything from that time period.

I remember Maude was on TVLAND a few years back. How long was it there for?

The characters on the show I wasn't too crazy about was Vivian and Mrs. Drunkentuck-lol

HAHAHAH! :lol:

As far as Maude being a show that doesn't age well, because it took place in the 70s and isn't "timeless", what about All InThe Family? It's pretty similar. They talk about issues from that time, where as shows like "The Honeymooners' never said anyhting about presidents or anything from that time period.

I remember Maude was on TVLAND a few years back. How long was it there for?


I think between 1998 and 2000

[QUOTE=Buffyboy323]As far as Maude being a show that doesn't age well, because it took place in the 70s and isn't "timeless", what about All InThe Family? It's pretty similar. They talk about issues from that time, where as shows like "The Honeymooners' never said anyhting about presidents or anything from that time period.
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Good Times mentioned Nixon and Ford and look how well that show has held the test of time. It was a 70's show. A even older show mentioned Eisenhaur I think, but I forget what show that was.

I nevery knew Maude did not do that well in Syndication.

[QUOTE=Buffyboy323]As far as Maude being a show that doesn't age well, because it took place in the 70s and isn't "timeless", what about All InThe Family? It's pretty similar. They talk about issues from that time, where as shows like "The Honeymooners' never said anyhting about presidents or anything from that time period.
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Good Times mentioned Nixon and Ford and look how well that show has held the test of time. It was a 70's show. A even older show mentioned Eisenhaur I think, but I forget what show that was.


Maybe Maude would have better success on LIfetime. I don't think TV Land is the place for this show

[QUOTE=comedyfreak][QUOTE=Buffyboy323]As far as Maude being a show that doesn't age well, because it took place in the 70s and isn't "timeless", what about All InThe Family? It's pretty similar. They talk about issues from that time, where as shows like "The Honeymooners' never said anyhting about presidents or anything from that time period.



Maybe Maude would have better success on LIfetime. I don't think TV Land is the place for this show
I think you're right on this one, I think it would do well on Lifetime or WE.

I think it should be on Late nights on local channels. Here in NY, we have Good Times and The Jeffersons back to back every night. Maude would fit well in there. And they wouldn't even care about ratings at 2am, LOL.

I think Maude would fit well on Local Station's The Last time I watched Maude on a Local Station it was on WVUE Saturday Night's at 10:35 pm

I think it should be on Late nights on local channels. Here in NY, we have Good Times and The Jeffersons back to back every night. Maude would fit well in there. And they wouldn't even care about ratings at 2am, LOL.

As of three weeks ago, WUPA/ch. 69 in the Atlanta area have begun airing Good Times, The Jeffersons, and Sanford and Son again. IMO, Maude would complete the block. They've also aired All in the Family in the past. The block airs from 10-11:30 am.

Maude should be on Lifetime on Weekday Mornings

Maude should be on Lifetime on Weekday Mornings

I doubt it would even work on Lifetime. I think they tried to show sitcoms in the mornings like Laverne and Shirley and they bombed.

I doubt it would even work on Lifetime. I think they tried to show sitcoms in the mornings like Laverne and Shirley and they bombed.

I know! Poor Laverne and Shirley. That's why they moved it to that LIfetime: Real Women channel in the afternoons. Damn Lifetime!

I know! Poor Laverne and Shirley. That's why they moved it to that LIfetime: Real Women channel in the afternoons. Damn Lifetime!



But Maude is not silly like L&S so that's why L&S didn't do well on Lifetime

I would love to see Maude back on some cable Network.

I saw an interview with Carroll O'Connor, who played Archie Bunker, from circa 1999. The interviewer asked the rather cantankerous O'Connor how he felt about some of the All in the Family spin-offs, one of which was Maude. O'Connor's opinion was that Maude was a "one-note" character who didn't have that much appeal. His reason for why the show wasn't syndicated any longer was that "it wasn't very funny".

Maude was definately a Comedy-Drama and it made you think sometimes...which is more than most of the garbage shows from about 1990 on ;)
Maybe someday we will finally get it on dvd.

Maude was definately a Comedy-Drama and it made you think sometimes...which is more than most of the garbage shows from about 1990 on ;)
Maybe someday we will finally get it on dvd.



The episode Topics is what made the show BORING

And then there's the episode where she delivers a serious, teary-eyed 20-minute monologe from a psychiatrist's couch---ahh, good times! lol

And then there's the episode where she delivers a serious, teary-eyed 20-minute monologe from a psychiatrist's couch---ahh, good times! lol



Glad I missed that one-lol

And then there's the episode where she delivers a serious, teary-eyed 20-minute monologe from a psychiatrist's couch---ahh, good times! lol


That sounds like Maude's version of Ann Romano talking to herself for 20 minutes in the bedroom because she turned 36:lol: :crazy:

All of those Lear shows must've had one scriptwriter. They just changed the names, places and the topic a little bit.

Someone questioned why people think Maude was political or wasn't political, well for a woman to have or even consider an abortion on tv during the 70's was
cutting edge, it didn't happen on other shows. Also Maude's daughter was divorced right another topic not common at the time, remember this show aired before One Day at a Time, Alice and others came on.

Aj

Someone questioned why people think Maude was political or wasn't political, well for a woman to have or even consider an abortion on tv during the 70's was
cutting edge, it didn't happen on other shows. Also Maude's daughter was divorced right another topic not common at the time, remember this show aired before One Day at a Time, Alice and others came on.

Aj



It's not a REWATCHABLE show due to multiple serious topics

So says your opinion......

Aj

Glad I missed that one-lol

Yeah, my sister and I were kinda down and in a funk after that one. lol

It's just not a show to watch over and over again. It's a One Time type of Comedy Show
I would watch it over and over again. I liked Maude.

Season 1, to me, is the MOST rewatchable, followed by season 2. But I enjoyed most of the other seasons as well.

I would watch it over and over again. I liked Maude.



I can watch the eps with Florida in them but that's It

I can watch the eps with Florida in them but that's It

Those are the best episodes of the series.

You are right the best episodes were withg Flo

It's not a REWATCHABLE show due to multiple serious topics

Well if that's the case, than niether is Good Times. There was always some sort of drama going on with the Evans family.

Well if that's the case, than niether is Good Times. There was always some sort of drama going on with the Evans family.


Maude was more a Dramedy than Good Times

Maude was more a Dramedy than Good Times
Not really. They both had the same mix of comedy/drama in them. The Jeffersons was the only All In The Family spinoff that was more on the comedy side, than the drama......Maude was the most political. Good Times was the most dramatic. The Jeffersons was the most comedic.

In my opinion, Maude had many, many, many LOL moments and is VERY rewatchable! Simply because of Bea Arthur's brilliant delivery and timing of her sarcastic one liners. If anyone finds that boring or not rewatchable, they don't have much of a sense of humor. To me, every episode of Maude has hilarious moments and that's what made that show so popular during its heyday. That's why it ran for six seasons. To say it's just a dated, political satire on 1970's issues is missing the core humor of it. Yes, some of the episodes were of a political nature but so were a lot of TV shows of that time. Don't just single out Maude for it. Be fair.

I currently have nearly every Maude episode and a friend of mine and I watch them every night after our favorite network shows are over. And we always LOL at our favorite funny moments. Like Maude getting angry at Walter while they were both nominated for businessperson of the year because Walter was gloating over the fact that it was his third time and if he won, he would get a street named after him and Maude said, yeah and when that happened, she would drive a team of well fed horses up it. That is priceless. It still makes me LOL! So I guess what a lot of people miss when watching Maude is that it's style of humor is not only very sarcastic but it's also subtle and intelligent and not always broad enough to reach mass appeal and that's one of the things I like about it. In short, it has adult humor targeted at adults.

In my opinion, Maude had many, many, many LOL moments and is VERY rewatchable! Simply because of Bea Arthur's brilliant delivery and timing of her sarcastic one liners. If anyone finds that boring or not rewatchable, they don't have much of a sense of humor. To me, every episode of Maude has hilarious moments and that's what made that show so popular during its heyday. That's why it ran for six seasons. To say it's just a dated, political satire on 1970's issues is missing the core humor of it. Yes, some of the episodes were of a political nature but so were a lot of TV shows of that time. Don't just single out Maude for it. Be fair.

I currently have nearly every Maude episode and a friend of mine and I watch them every night after our favorite network shows are over. And we always LOL at our favorite funny moments. Like Maude getting angry at Walter while they were both nominated for businessperson of the year because Walter was gloating over the fact that it was his third time and if he won, he would get a street named after him and Maude said, yeah and when that happened, she would drive a team of well fed horses up it. That is priceless. It still makes me LOL! So I guess what a lot of people miss when watching Maude is that it's style of humor is not only very sarcastic but it's also subtle and intelligent and not always broad enough to reach mass appeal and that's one of the things I like about it. In short, it has adult humor targeted at adults.


How do you feel about the episode with Maude and Walter in the bedroom for 30 min?

Actually, there were two episodes which depicted Maude and Walter in the bedroom. The one where they were getting ready for a party and the one where Maude had trouble sleeping because she was anxious about her upcoming surgery. I thought they were both quite funny and inventive.

Actually, there were two episodes which depicted Maude and Walter in the bedroom. The one where they were getting ready for a party and the one where Maude had trouble sleeping because she was anxious about her upcoming surgery. I thought they were both quite funny and inventive.


What season is the one about surgery from?

The one about the surgery was from season 3 and it's called "A Night To Remember." The description is as follows: Maude is having a restless night. She can't sleep because she has something very important on her mind and wants to tell Walter about it but he's too busy worrying about the blizzard outside and his end of the summer sale scheduled for the next day. So she decides to just drop the bomb -- her doctor has told her that she should have a hysterectomy.

I don't know about that, Air America is similar and it is failing in the ratings

That is still true for the most part but the reason Air America is having trouble is mainly due to the quality of a lot of the stations that air it not so much content. Many of them are low power.

If you have two radio stations, one airing coversative talk and the other airing liberal talk and the conservative station is 50,000 watts and can be heard everywhere while the liberal one is only 100 watts and the only way one can pick them up is by being in the parking lot across from the radio station, well no one they are having rating woes.

I honestly think Maude just hasn't been given a fair shake in syndication. Everyone (and I noticed it isn't once mentioned here) forgets what a huge enduring syndicated classic The Golden Girls is, that shows continues to draw in new fans even tho it's been off the air for fifteen years. Considering Maude stars TWO of the four Golden Girls, wouldn't you think that they would try to bring the show back into syndication and see how it does? There are a lot of younger (under 30 or so) people who love The Golden Girls and have no idea Bea and Rue were on another show together. I think if they tried and courted the Golden Girls market with "ten years before they were Golden....." type of things. Considering how huge GG has been in syndication over the past ten years, it's unfair to dispose Maude when it really hasn't been given a fair shake.

And I disagree with those who think the show is too "negative" because it had a liberal slant and was :::gasp::: female-centric. Men, regardless of political slants, generally hate a woman with an opinion, and this is what Maude was about, a woman who spoke her mind and had convictions.

I honestly think Maude just hasn't been given a fair shake in syndication. Everyone (and I noticed it isn't once mentioned here) forgets what a huge enduring syndicated classic The Golden Girls is, that shows continues to draw in new fans even tho it's been off the air for fifteen years. Considering Maude stars TWO of the four Golden Girls, wouldn't you think that they would try to bring the show back into syndication and see how it does? There are a lot of younger (under 30 or so) people who love The Golden Girls and have no idea Bea and Rue were on another show together. I think if they tried and courted the Golden Girls market with "ten years before they were Golden....." type of things. Considering how huge GG has been in syndication over the past ten years, it's unfair to dispose Maude when it really hasn't been given a fair shake.

And I disagree with those who think the show is too "negative" because it had a liberal slant and was :::gasp::: female-centric. Men, regardless of political slants, generally hate a woman with an opinion, and this is what Maude was about, a woman who spoke her mind and had convictions.


I know as a teenager I couldn't get into the show but now I can watch the show with no problem

I know as a teenager I couldn't get into the show but now I can watch the show with no problem
yea, I doubt the show would score well with teens (but outside of people on this forum, does classic TV generally score well? I know 22 year olds who won't watch TV that predates Friends because it's "too old") but I do think Lifetime or TV Land or whoever could acquire the rights to the show should try to target the 20-35 year old market who watches Golden Girls on Lifetime and/or has the DVD's. So many of these people have no idea Bea and Rue did another show a decade prior and would have more interest if they knew so. I think Lifetime could acquire Maude and pair it up with The Golden Girls and get good ratings since I am sure a lot of GG fans would at least give Maude a shot out of curiosity to see Bea and Rue together on another program.

yea, I doubt the show would score well with teens (but outside of people on this forum, does classic TV generally score well? I know 22 year olds who won't watch TV that predates Friends because it's "too old") but I do think Lifetime or TV Land or whoever could acquire the rights to the show should try to target the 20-35 year old market who watches Golden Girls on Lifetime and/or has the DVD's. So many of these people have no idea Bea and Rue did another show a decade prior and would have more interest if they knew so. I think Lifetime could acquire Maude and pair it up with The Golden Girls and get good ratings since I am sure a lot of GG fans would at least give Maude a shot out of curiosity to see Bea and Rue together on another program.



It will defintely do better on Lifetime since that network is geared toward women. Maude won't be that much of a hit on cable networks like tvland or n@n.

I never got why. Anyone know? I never saw Maude in syndication. I just saw about 20 eps or so that my Aunt had on tape, from years ago. The show is very good, too.

Maude was a wonderful character on AITF, and the ep where she comes to take care of the Bunker clan is my fav ep of AITF. But her character was too much of a parody in the spin off. It tried too hard and tried to do too much. That'w why it fell a little flat. But the show does get an A for effort, it's heart was in the right place, but the writing, direction and production were not. Also notice how great Bea Arthur is in The Golden Girls--all the "golden" gals BTW--which shows you how brilliantly fine actresses can sparkle when everything else is in place.

Maude was a wonderful character on AITF, and the ep where she comes to take care of the Bunker clan is my fav ep of AITF. But her character was too much of a parody in the spin off. It tried too hard and tried to do too much. That'w why it fell a little flat. But the show does get an A for effort, it's heart was in the right place, but the writing, direction and production were not. Also notice how great Bea Arthur is in The Golden Girls--all the "golden" gals BTW--which shows you how brilliantly fine actresses can sparkle when everything else is in place.
well, I don't think the show truly has been given a fair shake in a post-Golden Girls syndicated climate. You have no idea how many GG fans I know who bought Maude blind on DVD because they have never been exposed to reruns of the show, but wanted to see it before of Bea and Rue. The DVD has made a new generation of fans who weren't old enough (or even alive) to see the show when it ended in 1978 but discovered Bea through Golden Girls who went back to check Maude out and wound up loving that show too.

I loved Maude then, and I love it now.......I think Dean nailed it, the show was about a woman with opinions, and that turned a lot of men off (And many women also, I'm sure.....women tend to be more critical of other women than men, sometimes.)

It will defintely do better on Lifetime since that network is geared toward women. Maude won't be that much of a hit on cable networks like tvland or n@n.
:yeahthat I agree with Solomon there - maybe air it in a block with The Golden Girls!

Funny thing, Im a guy and i'd take Maude over the Jeffersons anyday

In your opinion, what makes this a very good show? Just Curious. I finally seen several eps of the show in 2004 and 2005 and I gave the show overall a C. It's watchable but not many Laugh out Loud Moments.


Gosh I Don't know King IMO a C is a tiny bit harsh. Sometimes when you evaluate a piece of work you have to keep in mind how much effort is made trying to make the premise work, the potential of the actors (all good) and then weigh this against what actually came across. IMO, Maude was forced. It's heart was in the right place--the writing, direction & production were not. Just look at Bea Arthur in other venues and you can see how great she can be. She was amazing on AITF & The Golden Girls. What the show Maude tried to do was laudable, even if it wasn't successful at it...I'd give it C+/B-, since it did aim for something lofty...as opposed to something canned like Good Times (D+)

Gosh I Don't know King IMO a C is a tiny bit harsh. Sometimes when you evaluate a piece of work you have to keep in mind how much effort is made trying to make the premise work, the potential of the actors (all good) and then weigh this against what actually came across. IMO, Maude was forced. It's heart was in the right place--the writing, direction & production were not. Just look at Bea Arthur in other venues and you can see how great she can be. She was amazing on AITF & The Golden Girls. What the show Maude tried to do was laudable, even if it wasn't successful at it...I'd give it C+/B-, since it did aim for something lofty...as opposed to something canned like Good Times (D+)


The characters that made the show watchable to me was Walter, Arthur, and Florida. It was because of those characters why I laughed not really Maude

The characters that made the show watchable to me was Walter, Arthur, and Florida. It was because of those characters why I laughed not really Maude

"God will get you for that!":lol:

Maude was OK on her show but nowheres near as funny as she was on AITF. A key problem with Maude on her show was she was too one-dimensional. On AITF, for example, you saw other sides to Archie than the irrascible bigot--like when he tenderly visited Gloria after the miscarriage--the look of pained concern when he thinks Edith may have cancer. On Maude it would have been refreshing to see Maude do say or think something out of character--something reactionary for example. And yes, the other characters could be funny too-esp. Arthur--when he and Maudie went at it.

"God will get you for that!":lol:

Maude was OK on her show but nowheres near as funny as she was on AITF. A key problem with Maude on her show was she was too one-dimensional. On AITF, for example, you saw other sides to Archie than the irrascible bigot--like when he tenderly visited Gloria after the miscarriage--the look of pained concern when he thinks Edith may have cancer. On Maude it would have been refreshing to see Maude do say or think something out of character--something reactionary for example. And yes, the other characters could be funny too-esp. Arthur--when he and Maudie went at it.


Some of the Episode Ideas were just AWFUL. Like why have Maude and Arthur in ONE ROOM the entire episode?-lol It was a ep in 74/75

Some of the Episode Ideas were just AWFUL. Like why have Maude and Arthur in ONE ROOM the entire episode?-lol It was a ep in 74/75


I don't know if I would go so far as to say AWFUL, but many were flat. Which eps seldom or never were on The Jeffersons or All In The Family.

The writing on Maude is superb. For example, the fact that Vivian would think her grandmother was psychic simply because she always had the exact change when getting on the bus is very humorous and smart. It takes a good comedic writer to think outside of the box and put a spin on an seemingly ordinary thing and make it funny.

Maybe we just have a difference of opinion. Because something on the show was off. And it wasn't the actors. And Maude the character had great potential--she was PRICELESS on All In The Family. But I have to be honest, I'll take the Golden Girls over Maude any day. And don't get me wrong. I certainy don't HATE Maude (the show or character-actually I love the character and boy what a character). I just thought the show was capable of more, but was still satisfying TV entertainament--but did not sparkle with brilliance like AITF or GG.

FTR, Maude was never seen in syndication in my area. So when TV Land did rerun it, it was my first time seeing it since the original primetime run.

Also I heard that when Maude was first offered in syndication, it was offered as a weekly offering, not a strip--can anyone confirm that?

FTR, Maude was never seen in syndication in my area. So when TV Land did rerun it, it was my first time seeing it since the original primetime run.

Also I heard that when Maude was first offered in syndication, it was offered as a weekly offering, not a strip--can anyone confirm that?


Wow, Maude was in Syndication in Philly but way back in 1989. I know one 70's show that wasnt never aired in Philly and if it was I was too young to remember, "Chico and the Man"

I think one of the reasons not many people enjoyed "Maude" as much as other shows which made it to syndie was the simple fact that the cast of characters were so unlikeable.

There was really no 'nice' character on the show - everyone was rather sarcastic, defensive and negative to one another. It wasn't a group of people you could spend more than 30 minutes with each week, and certainly not a group of people you would want to bring in to your home each day (like 'The Golden Girls').

I think one of the reasons not many people enjoyed "Maude" as much as other shows which made it to syndie was the simple fact that the cast of characters were so unlikeable.

There was really no 'nice' character on the show - everyone was rather sarcastic, defensive and negative to one another. It wasn't a group of people you could spend more than 30 minutes with each week, and certainly not a group of people you would want to bring in to your home each day (like 'The Golden Girls').


I think it was too much of a DRAMEDY and not a lot of fun episodes which is why it's not a hit in syndication. I mean how many times can you watch a serious ep on a sitcom?-lol

I think it's more of the rarity than quality. I mean a lot of the shows in reruns I don't think are really better or worse than Maude. I don't understand how the show was so huge, but it is never given a proper chance in reruns to obtain a new fanbase. It is yanked because channels are scared of the "sponsors" for showing "low-rated" shows.

As for people saying Maude was a political show I don't get it. The episodes I taped from On Demand weren't all political so I don't know what people are yapping about. I do vaguely remember her running for Congress, but other than that what was so constantly political about the show that killed it in syndication?

I just think a lot of people didn't like a dominating and in your face female head character of a show.

I would watch this show anytime over a lot of others, but I guess I'm saying that because I'm a Bea Arthur fan. I enjoy her sarcastic style of humor, and for me that makes the show enjoyable and good over a lot of other programs. I can see why a lot of people don't like it. Plus you get 1980s scream queen Adrienne Barbeau in the series too. :p

I wonder if Maude is one of those shows that in the long run, suffered by being "too main character centric" (http://www.sitcomsonline.com/boards/showpost.php?p=5127093&postcount=7)? What I mean is that if watch that show now, you'll see that it barely has supporting characters; they have nothing to do except feed Bea Arthur/Maude brief straight lines, and sometimes she even steals those. Literally, the supporting cast would just stand there silent while she set up her own jokes.

It's still better than TRASH like The Fresh Prince or CPO Sharkey- lol Maude was a goldmine compared to those two shows.

The show just didn't allow to escape reality because it was too topical

Not a show with FUN TOPICS which is why it didn't last on Antenna TV

Antenna still airs Maude. :confused:

KTXD 47, an independent station in Dallas was airing Maude recently, but I see they've replaced it with Coach, but they kept All in the Family and The Jeffersons which followed it. They also have the Addams Family, the Munsters, MASH, and Who's the Boss.

IMO,


Between the show being SO topical that one had to live through the 70's (and be armed with 1970's search engine) to get a good number of the jokes AND with all the adult characters (except Florida) constantly getting looped, in retrospect it's a bit of a challenge to keep going back to it- despite the many good performances here. I guess back in the 70's everyone thought most folks could 'handle' getting looped on a regular basis and it's odd that any character on that show would have been surprised that Walter (or anyone else) would become a full-scale alcoholic. Also, apart from making Carol a more sympathetic character via being a working parent, I don't see why they had Phillip who seemed to spend his entire childhood upstairs while the adults were screaming their heads off.

1. Too 70's (which Miss Arthur herself would recognize and insist on keeping "GG" as UNtopical as possible )
2.Too boozy
3. Negligent parenting

That's three strikes against current popularity.

All excellent points above. Though I still enjoy this show because of the great, talented actors--Bea Arthur, Bill Macy, Rue McClanahan and Conrad Bain. Also Esther Rolle and Hermione Baddeley. True talent there and always fun to watch.

I think Maude was better as a Original Airing show because of the shock value and topics.


Not the type of show you can fall back on the couch with a snack and watch like the shows below

sanford and son
alice
Jeffersons
What's happening
Bob Newhart

All excellent points above. Though I still enjoy this show because of the great, talented actors--Bea Arthur, Bill Macy, Rue McClanahan and Conrad Bain. Also Esther Rolle and Hermione Baddeley. True talent there and always fun to watch.

Yes...awesome actors! I enjoy the show, too.

However, I couldn't do more than 3 or 4 episodes at a time but this could also be said for a lot of other shows.

What I got from MovieChat.org (https://moviechat.org/tt0068103/Maude/58c72d005ec57f0478f3a400/Why-has-this-show-been-such-a-syndication-failure):

1. Of all the Normal Lear shows, this one has aged the poorest. Even though some of the issues it dealt with are still being argued, its style and perspective is so 40 years ago that it doesn't transcend its era to feel timeless, the same way All In the Family or The Jeffersons did.

2. As someone else said, the Maude character is the only impressive one there (and she has a tendency of being too over the top.) The rest of them were a bit on the drab side. More argumentative than funny. Furthermore, they all look very middle-of-the-road "70s," like they could have been extra's in Deep Throat, or something.

3. Three of its biggest stars went on to have arguably bigger, and more career-identifying, success with following shows. All of which feel more "contemporary" by today's standards. Most of the general public seems to identify Bea and Rue as Dorothy and Blanche, and Conrad as Mr. Drummond. Seeing them as Maude, Vivian and Arthur seems weird. And since Golden Girls/Diff'rent Strokes have done very well in syndication, I can imagine that TV stations would probably rather just buy those shows than this one.

4. The abortion episodes. Bea once said in an interview that Maude's abortion created a backlash against the show. Sure, Maude was popular during its production run, but once the show ended, the show seemed to become defined by that particular storyline - which scared off many TV stations in the more conservative 1980s from buying it. Meanwhile, during that same period, again, GG and DS were on and popular. This just sort of buried Maude.

30 second promo (http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x9s85g) for an episode of Maude (http://www.city-data.com/forum/tv/1200612-why-do-you-think-sitcom-maude.html) on Channel 51 San Diego, CA.

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it has the same problem most Norman Lear shows have. It's too topical. so many of references and names mentioned are so outdated. a teenager watching would not have a clue what they are talking about. henry kissinger, Richard Nixon and on and on. and it's exhausting to watch back to back. non stop topical crisis. lol another thing about Norman Lear shows is how loud they are. everyone is yelling. maude is one of the loudest shows i have ever watched.

it has the same problem most Norman Lear shows have. It's too topical. so many of references and names mentioned are so outdated. a teenager watching would not have a clue what they are talking about. henry kissinger, Richard Nixon and on and on. and it's exhausting to watch back to back. non stop topical crisis. lol another thing about Norman Lear shows is how loud they are. everyone is yelling. maude is one of the loudest shows i have ever watched.

Its outdated for cable but not for digital tv

This thread was started in 2006! Maude is topical that's true, it's so 70's that's true too, but I think the most significant reason for its limited success in reruns is the fact that it lacks a heart. Bea is the series, and she is a real in your face talent, she has an edge and either the situation or other characters have to counterbalance that edge, nothing like that happened here. The audience may find episodes interesting, funny but that's not enough to keep bringing people back to watch the show day in and day out. Simply put, the audience has to like and care about the characters.

Well the show will never be on cable again only the digital tv world and DVD's. Its definitely a show for older adults and now that I am close in age to maude and Arthur I can relate to the show more now. When i saw this show air 30 years ago I had no interest

it has the same problem most Norman Lear shows have. It's too topical. so many of references and names mentioned are so outdated. a teenager watching would not have a clue what they are talking about. henry kissinger, Richard Nixon and on and on. and it's exhausting to watch back to back. non stop topical crisis. lol another thing about Norman Lear shows is how loud they are. everyone is yelling. maude is one of the loudest shows i have ever watched.

It isn't just the topicality (https://www.nytimes.com/1978/04/16/archives/we-ran-out-of-controversy-bea-arthur-says-farewell-to-maude.html) that has given the impression that the show has aged poorly. There's also the impression that Maude is an alcoholic (https://parade.com/384003/scottneumyer/exclusive-clip-see-star-bill-macy-break-down-discussing-maudes-controversial-alcohol-abuse-episode/). She is frequently shown with a drink in her hand, making a drink for herself, or asking Walter (her husband) for one. While this may have been funny back then, you would be hard pressed to be easily laughing over that now.

Not only that, but thanks to the modern day opioid crisis (https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/reliable-source/wp/2018/05/16/roseanne-gets-caught-up-in-the-opioid-crisis/), Maude's addiction to pills (http://www.beachwoodreporter.com/tv/and_then_theres_maude_episode_11.php) makes the series a lot darker now than it was ever intended to be back in the 1970s. I mean, The Conners wrote Roseanne Barr's character out (https://people.com/tv/roseanne-barr-dies-the-conners-opiod-crisis/) by having her overdose on prescription pills (https://abc7chicago.com/entertainment/the-conners-shines-spotlight-on-opioid-epidemic-/4505046/) to give you some perspective.

To further illustrate how dark of a show Maude actually was, take a look at her to Walter was her fourth and even that one was rocky. Did the series ever really explain why a brassy (https://www.inquirer.com/philly/obituaries/20090426_Beatrice_Arthur__86__a_brassy_Maude_and_Golden_Dorothy.html) acting woman like Maude was appealing to him. Maude just came across as a woman with serious emotional issues (https://www.nytimes.com/1976/01/22/archives/lithium-use-in-maude-medical-issue.html) when you really got down to it.

Also, Arthur seems to be suffering from some sort of mental illness given that he had at least two nervous breakdowns in addition to self-medicating with alcohol. So what we get are episodes that are supposed to be serious, and yet, they still the need to keep things “light”. Didn't this just really undercut what was supposed to be the character suffering and feels exploitative instead of supportive?

It isn't just the topicality (https://www.nytimes.com/1978/04/16/archives/we-ran-out-of-controversy-bea-arthur-says-farewell-to-maude.html) that has given the impression that the show has aged poorly. There's also the impression that Maude is an alcoholic (https://parade.com/384003/scottneumyer/exclusive-clip-see-star-bill-macy-break-down-discussing-maudes-controversial-alcohol-abuse-episode/). She is frequently shown with a drink in her hand, making a drink for herself, or asking Walter (her husband) for one. While this may have been funny back then, you would be hard pressed to be easily laughing over that now.

Not only that, but thanks to the modern day opioid crisis (https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/reliable-source/wp/2018/05/16/roseanne-gets-caught-up-in-the-opioid-crisis/), Maude's addiction to pills (http://www.beachwoodreporter.com/tv/and_then_theres_maude_episode_11.php) makes the series a lot darker now than it was ever intended to be back in the 1970s. I mean, The Conners wrote Roseanne Barr's character out (https://people.com/tv/roseanne-barr-dies-the-conners-opiod-crisis/) by having her overdose on prescription pills (https://abc7chicago.com/entertainment/the-conners-shines-spotlight-on-opioid-epidemic-/4505046/) to give you some perspective.

To further illustrate how dark of a show Maude actually was, take a look at her to Walter was her fourth and even that one was rocky. Did the series ever really explain why a brassy (https://www.inquirer.com/philly/obituaries/20090426_Beatrice_Arthur__86__a_brassy_Maude_and_Golden_Dorothy.html) acting woman like Maude was appealing to him. Maude just came across as a woman with serious emotional issues (https://www.nytimes.com/1976/01/22/archives/lithium-use-in-maude-medical-issue.html) when you really got down to it.

Also, Arthur seems to be suffering from some sort of mental illness given that he had at least two nervous breakdowns in addition to self-medicating with alcohol. So what we get are episodes that are supposed to be serious, and yet, they still the need to keep things “light”. Didn't this just really undercut what was supposed to be the character suffering and feels exploitative instead of supportive?


Drinking was walter way of coping with his business money issues and getting older

Drinking was very common even on a family-friendly series like Bewitched, and I mean the characters were having drinks really often. Lou Grant kept a booze bottle in his desk on TMTMS. Westerns which had been petering out by the early '70s always had a lot of saloon scenes. Bewitched, Bonanza, Gunsmoke etc. always did very well in reruns. I think we can discount that to some extent as to why Maude didn't become a syndication staple, though I see the point.

Drinking was very common even on a family-friendly series like Bewitched, and I mean the characters were having drinks really often. Lou Grant kept a booze bottle in his desk on TMTMS. Westerns which had been petering out by the early '70s always had a lot of saloon scenes. Bewitched, Bonanza, Gunsmoke etc. always did very well in reruns. I think we can discount that to some extent as to why Maude didn't become a syndication staple, though I see the point.

This question was asked before the digital TV era when the only option for syndication was TV land. Since then the show has remained in syndication on Antenna and has a complete set on DVD. At the time I think it was only 1 season released and nowhere to be found on cable. So I say all that to say, this thread didnt age too well :lol:

This question was asked before the digital TV era when the only option for syndication was TV land. Since then the show has remained in syndication on Antenna and has a complete set on DVD. At the time I think it was only 1 season released and nowhere to be found on cable. So I say all that to say, this thread didnt age too well :lol:

Actually, considering that the thread is 14 years old and still going, I'd say it has aged far better than 'Maude' itself!:lol:

As a kid, I watched all the 70s Norman Lear shows when they were new and enjoyed them but I never did like any as well as the escapist 60s shows. Then or now. Often confrontational, unpleasant and dated - the shows remind me of unending family arguments of the era (and sadly, today). Give me Samantha and Darrin (York) - tinka tinka tink.

Actually, considering that the thread is 14 years old and still going, I'd say it has aged far better than 'Maude' itself!:lol:

If Antenna TV existed during the 2002-2006 era of SitcomsOnline, this site would have been so damm entertaining,

I would have been so addicted since it would have been so much to talk about

I remember when Antenna first came to my area, they were still showing some old daytime movies back then.

Maude is much more relatable to me now too. A lot of the stuff went over my head for that matter back in the '70s. I never even caught the "bra-burner" part of the lyrics correctly. I was still a pre-teen for almost the whole run.

It isn't just the topicality (https://www.nytimes.com/1978/04/16/archives/we-ran-out-of-controversy-bea-arthur-says-farewell-to-maude.html) that has given the impression that the show has aged poorly. There's also the impression that Maude is an alcoholic (https://parade.com/384003/scottneumyer/exclusive-clip-see-star-bill-macy-break-down-discussing-maudes-controversial-alcohol-abuse-episode/). She is frequently shown with a drink in her hand, making a drink for herself, or asking Walter (her husband) for one. While this may have been funny back then, you would be hard pressed to be easily laughing over that now.

Not only that, but thanks to the modern day opioid crisis (https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/reliable-source/wp/2018/05/16/roseanne-gets-caught-up-in-the-opioid-crisis/), Maude's addiction to pills (http://www.beachwoodreporter.com/tv/and_then_theres_maude_episode_11.php) makes the series a lot darker now than it was ever intended to be back in the 1970s. I mean, The Conners wrote Roseanne Barr's character out (https://people.com/tv/roseanne-barr-dies-the-conners-opiod-crisis/) by having her overdose on prescription pills (https://abc7chicago.com/entertainment/the-conners-shines-spotlight-on-opioid-epidemic-/4505046/) to give you some perspective.

To further illustrate how dark of a show Maude actually was, take a look at her to Walter was her fourth and even that one was rocky. Did the series ever really explain why a brassy (https://www.inquirer.com/philly/obituaries/20090426_Beatrice_Arthur__86__a_brassy_Maude_and_Golden_Dorothy.html) acting woman like Maude was appealing to him. Maude just came across as a woman with serious emotional issues (https://www.nytimes.com/1976/01/22/archives/lithium-use-in-maude-medical-issue.html) when you really got down to it.

Also, Arthur seems to be suffering from some sort of mental illness given that he had at least two nervous breakdowns in addition to self-medicating with alcohol. So what we get are episodes that are supposed to be serious, and yet, they still the need to keep things “light”. Didn't this just really undercut what was supposed to be the character suffering and feels exploitative instead of supportive?
I agree with all of this, but there are two words that are the reason I lose interest in Maude, 'Mrs. Naugatuck'!

I agree with all of this, but there are two words that are the reason I lose interest in Maude, 'Mrs. Naugatuck'!

Mrs Drukentuck:lol:

It isn't just the topicality (https://www.nytimes.com/1978/04/16/archives/we-ran-out-of-controversy-bea-arthur-says-farewell-to-maude.html) that has given the impression that the show has aged poorly. There's also the impression that Maude is an alcoholic (https://parade.com/384003/scottneumyer/exclusive-clip-see-star-bill-macy-break-down-discussing-maudes-controversial-alcohol-abuse-episode/). She is frequently shown with a drink in her hand, making a drink for herself, or asking Walter (her husband) for one. While this may have been funny back then, you would be hard pressed to be easily laughing over that now.

Not only that, but thanks to the modern day opioid crisis (https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/reliable-source/wp/2018/05/16/roseanne-gets-caught-up-in-the-opioid-crisis/), Maude's addiction to pills (http://www.beachwoodreporter.com/tv/and_then_theres_maude_episode_11.php) makes the series a lot darker now than it was ever intended to be back in the 1970s. I mean, The Conners wrote Roseanne Barr's character out (https://people.com/tv/roseanne-barr-dies-the-conners-opiod-crisis/) by having her overdose on prescription pills (https://abc7chicago.com/entertainment/the-conners-shines-spotlight-on-opioid-epidemic-/4505046/) to give you some perspective.

To further illustrate how dark of a show Maude actually was, take a look at her to Walter was her fourth and even that one was rocky. Did the series ever really explain why a brassy (https://www.inquirer.com/philly/obituaries/20090426_Beatrice_Arthur__86__a_brassy_Maude_and_Golden_Dorothy.html) acting woman like Maude was appealing to him. Maude just came across as a woman with serious emotional issues (https://www.nytimes.com/1976/01/22/archives/lithium-use-in-maude-medical-issue.html) when you really got down to it.

Also, Arthur seems to be suffering from some sort of mental illness given that he had at least two nervous breakdowns in addition to self-medicating with alcohol. So what we get are episodes that are supposed to be serious, and yet, they still the need to keep things “light”. Didn't this just really undercut what was supposed to be the character suffering and feels exploitative instead of supportive?

Maude isn't a dark show. There's some episodes that are very heavily emotional, but it's no different than what All in The Family did. All in The Family had the KKK, Edith's attempted rape, a drag queen getting killed, and child abandonment to name a few topics. Maude didn't have as many topics like that show. There's more episodes of Maude where it's just a typical sitcom than a show trying to send a message like All in The Family. I think there are two main reasons Maude doesn't do well in syndication. First, some of the jokes are dated to the decade it was filmed in. The one that always comes to mind is the joke in the gay bar episode where Walter orders orange juice and the guys look angry at him. He responds, "oh yeah, I forgot." They didn't give any explanation to why the guys are giving Walter a dirty look though but there's a laugh track to the line. Second, most TV viewers want to remember Bea as Dorothy from The Golden Girls than her role as Maude. Look at Lucille Ball. She had two other long running shows but only I Love Lucy gets the most attention in syndication and Lucy fans.

I like Maude and still watch it to this day. I even got one of my coworkers who's in their early 20's to give the show a shot. She likes it. There's a lot of aspects to Maude that young adults would enjoy. I think Maude gets better as it goes on each season. I'm glad I bought the complete series set.

Maude isn't a dark show. There's some episodes that are very heavily emotional, but it's no different than what All in The Family did. All in The Family had the KKK, Edith's attempted rape, a drag queen getting killed, and child abandonment to name a few topics. Maude didn't have as many topics like that show. There's more episodes of Maude where it's just a typical sitcom than a show trying to send a message like All in The Family. I think there are two main reasons Maude doesn't do well in syndication. First, some of the jokes are dated to the decade it was filmed in. The one that always comes to mind is the joke in the gay bar episode where Walter orders orange juice and the guys look angry at him. He responds, "oh yeah, I forgot." They didn't give any explanation to why the guys are giving Walter a dirty look though but there's a laugh track to the line. Second, most TV viewers want to remember Bea as Dorothy from The Golden Girls than her role as Maude. Look at Lucille Ball. She had two other long running shows but only I Love Lucy gets the most attention in syndication and Lucy fans.

I like Maude and still watch it to this day. I even got one of my coworkers who's in their early 20's to give the show a shot. She likes it. There's a lot of aspects to Maude that young adults would enjoy. I think Maude gets better as it goes on each season. I'm glad I bought the complete series set.


Definitely not a dark show and enjoying the DVD. I love the way walter yells MAUDE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!:lol:

I love Maude but its a show that played up all of the early 70's struggles of women. People in the 90s and 2000's dont appreciate or understand the context of many of the shows. Many early 70s shows dont hold up. Maude holds up better than most. Maude was the anti-archy and even Bea Arthur said she could not stand the character either. Also the last season was pretty dumb with Maude in Congress. IMHO, when Florida left, it was never the same again. Florida was to Maude as Florence was to George Jefferson and Mike was to Archie. Once she left, the table only had 3 legs.

Maude isn't a dark show. There's some episodes that are very heavily emotional, but it's no different than what All in The Family did. All in The Family had the KKK, Edith's attempted rape, a drag queen getting killed, and child abandonment to name a few topics. Maude didn't have as many topics like that show. There's more episodes of Maude where it's just a typical sitcom than a show trying to send a message like All in The Family. I think there are two main reasons Maude doesn't do well in syndication. First, some of the jokes are dated to the decade it was filmed in. The one that always comes to mind is the joke in the gay bar episode where Walter orders orange juice and the guys look angry at him. He responds, "oh yeah, I forgot." They didn't give any explanation to why the guys are giving Walter a dirty look though but there's a laugh track to the line. Second, most TV viewers want to remember Bea as Dorothy from The Golden Girls than her role as Maude. Look at Lucille Ball. She had two other long running shows but only I Love Lucy gets the most attention in syndication and Lucy fans.

I like Maude and still watch it to this day. I even got one of my coworkers who's in their early 20's to give the show a shot. She likes it. There's a lot of aspects to Maude that young adults would enjoy. I think Maude gets better as it goes on each season. I'm glad I bought the complete series set.

Likewise, Conrad Bain is by far, more recognized these days for being Mr. Drummond on Diff'rent Strokes than as Arthur. So Maude is one of those cases, where the cast enjoyed their greatest successes after the show ended.

As for the orange juice joke, it's naturally one of those things where if you don't understand the context behind it (and if you weren't old enough to be around back then) then you would be completely lost. I'm assuming that the orange juice (https://www.myrecipes.com/extracrispy/the-orange-juice-boycott-that-changed-america) joke was in reference to Anita Bryant (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anita_Bryant), who was infamous back in the 1970s for her outspoken (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Save_Our_Children) homophobia. She was for many years, a spokeswoman (https://www.washingtonpost.com/outlook/2019/06/21/myth-that-has-shaped-christian-right-lgbtq-rights-movement-four-decades/) for the Florida Citrus Commission.

I love Maude but its a show that played up all of the early 70's struggles of women. People in the 90s and 2000's dont appreciate or understand the context of many of the shows. Many early 70s shows dont hold up. Maude holds up better than most. Maude was the anti-archy and even Bea Arthur said she could not stand the character either. Also the last season was pretty dumb with Maude in Congress. IMHO, when Florida left, it was never the same again. Florida was to Maude as Florence was to George Jefferson and Mike was to Archie. Once she left, the table only had 3 legs.

And replaced her with Ms. Drunken Tuck

Some shows have timeless quality them they can last for decades in reruns other just fade away, I don't why Maude cant make it, antennatv tried and dropped it very quickly, My guess it just a style, and that just doesn't work anymore.

Some shows have timeless quality them they can last for decades in reruns other just fade away, I don't why Maude cant make it, antennatv tried and dropped it very quickly, My guess it just a style, and that just doesn't work anymore.

It was only made to be watched once. Not a true sitcom more of a dramedy

It was only made to be watched once. Not a true sitcom more of a dramedy

Even dramedy's can be watched more than once though. I rewatch Desperate Housewives all the time because the writing was good. I think it comes down to preference and how much you enjoy the show. I enjoy Maude. There's something's that are dated, but the cast and writing make the show fun to watch. I don't watch syndication because episodes are always edited badly to make room for commercials. That maybe another factor to why Maude doesn't do well. You take a 25 minute sitcom and cut out over 6 minutes for commercials, how much of that episode is making sense to the viewers? It didn't work for Alice on ION.

Even dramedy's can be watched more than once though. I rewatch Desperate Housewives all the time because the writing was good. I think it comes down to preference and how much you enjoy the show. I enjoy Maude. There's something's that are dated, but the cast and writing make the show fun to watch. I don't watch syndication because episodes are always edited badly to make room for commercials. That maybe another factor to why Maude doesn't do well. You take a 25 minute sitcom and cut out over 6 minutes for commercials, how much of that episode is making sense to the viewers? It didn't work for Alice on ION.

Its certain LOL i would watch again like Maude imitating Fred Sanford heart attack routine and her dancing and singing at talent shows but overall it was too many serious eps for me to watch again

Its certain LOL i would watch again like Maude imitating Fred Sanford heart attack routine and her dancing and singing at talent shows but overall it was too many serious eps for me to watch again
Maude is a very funny sitcom, but to be honest, it did get quite dramatic, like you said. I think I have the same problem with One Day At A Time. A very witty sitcom, but it’s very dry and too pro women. For some reason, usually, I just can’t get into female geared sitcoms, with the exception of The Golden Girls and Designing Women, but that’s it. The show hardly had any male lead characters. The premise of the show was about a divorced mother, raising her two teenaged daughters, all by herself, after relocating. And then I think it became harder to watch when they married off Ann, Barbara, and Julie.

I'm watching Maude now for the first time and I like it.

It's a bit of "history," watching a show from the 70s, and I love seeing Bea Arthur before she played Dorothy, along with Rue McClanahan playing such a dizzy character.

It's a bit of "history," watching a show from the 70s, and I love seeing Bea Arthur before she played Dorothy, along with Rue McClanahan playing such a dizzy character.
I feel the same exact way. You could tell they acted together before when the two of them went on to star on The Golden Girls.

Maude is a very funny sitcom, but to be honest, it did get quite dramatic, like you said. I think I have the same problem with One Day At A Time. A very witty sitcom, but it’s very dry and too pro women. For some reason, usually, I just can’t get into female geared sitcoms, with the exception of The Golden Girls and Designing Women, but that’s it. The show hardly had any male lead characters. The premise of the show was about a divorced mother, raising her two teenaged daughters, all by herself, after relocating. And then I think it became harder to watch when they married off Ann, Barbara, and Julie.

I gave up on ODAAT when it was added to Antenna TV. Too many eps revolving around Julie and her dramatic BS lol And then Schender with his goofy ass just showing up for no reason. I would take any serious ep of Maude over that show any day lol

I'm watching Maude now for the first time and I like it.

It's a bit of "history," watching a show from the 70s, and I love seeing Bea Arthur before she played Dorothy, along with Rue McClanahan playing such a dizzy character.

First Two seasons was good until Mrs DrunkenTuck showed up

I gave up on ODAAT when it was added to Antenna TV. Too many eps revolving around Julie and her dramatic BS lol And then Schender with his goofy ass just showing up for no reason. I would take any serious ep of Maude over that show any day lol
On a scale of one to ten, I’d give ODAAT a five

First Two seasons was good until Mrs DrunkenTuck showed up
Come on, TVFactFan. Don’t give Mrs. “DrunkenTuck” the harsh treatment. I found her…hot.

:lol::lol::lol::lol:

Its certain LOL i would watch again like Maude imitating Fred Sanford heart attack routine and her dancing and singing at talent shows but overall it was too many serious eps for me to watch again

I don't see that with Maude. There are some serious episodes, like Walter's suicide attempt. But they took a lighter approach to things compared to All in The Family. They had more humor. All in The Family takes the dark turn a lot of times like when Beverly dies or Edith is almost raped. I don't think I'll be rewatching All in The Family anytime soon when I finish it. Maude, I'll always rewatch because I found more humor than drama.

First Two seasons was good until Mrs DrunkenTuck showed up

I didn't mind her. Her drunk act could be funny a lot of times. I liked her in the punchbowl episode. I thought that was a good one.

I don't see that with Maude. There are some serious episodes, like Walter's suicide attempt. But they took a lighter approach to things compared to All in The Family. They had more humor. All in The Family takes the dark turn a lot of times like when Beverly dies or Edith is almost raped. I don't think I'll be rewatching All in The Family anytime soon when I finish it. Maude, I'll always rewatch because I found more humor than drama.

I like Maude Better than AITF because of that reason and it was more of an adult show. Gloria's borderline ******** crying was something you didnt see from carol and they was both supposed to be in their 20's.

I like Maude Better than AITF because of that reason and it was more of an adult show. Gloria's borderline ******** crying was something you didnt see from carol and they was both supposed to be in their 20's.

I feel that way about Mike. His dumbass behavior irritates me so much. That's another reason I'm not interested in rewatching AITF again. I never thought of it but Gloria and Carol, who are around the same age, are entirely different. Carol was raised to be smarter and stronger. Gloria had a lot of insecurities since she stuck with a guy like Mike. Gloria did whine a lot. But if you were with a guy like Mike, I think it's natural. Gloria would have been different if she had been with a guy who loved her instead of Mike who used her and her family to support himself.

I was 7 when Maude started so I do remember my family watching it but at that age I was too young to understand a lot of it. But I have watched it several times in reruns as an adult and yes it is very topical to the 1970s, but the thing I like about the show is that the quality of the acting and the professionalism of all the actors on the show was very good. Yes, I liked Ester Rolle a lot more than the Mrs Naugatuck character, but even that character had her funny moments. The funny thing is that I’m an arch-conservative and yet I still like this show. The main reason is that I love Bea Arthur.

No reason to watch Maude after Swamp Thing came out.

Swamp thing??

I don't see that with Maude. There are some serious episodes, like Walter's suicide attempt. But they took a lighter approach to things compared to All in The Family. They had more humor. All in The Family takes the dark turn a lot of times like when Beverly dies or Edith is almost raped. I don't think I'll be rewatching All in The Family anytime soon when I finish it. Maude, I'll always rewatch because I found more humor than drama.

Maude does a great job at bringing humour into serious or sad topics. Yesterday ""Maude's Guilt Trip" aired and the whole attitude of the episode made me think of "Seinfeld." Maude's "aunt" is believed to have died in a plane crash and Maude almost immediately starts planning the trip she's going to take with the insurance money she thinks she will be receiving. That's just cold, but they made the episode very funny.

I am so glad to have the opportunity to watch this show.

Maude does a great job at bringing humour into serious or sad topics. Yesterday ""Maude's Guilt Trip" aired and the whole attitude of the episode made me think of "Seinfeld." Maude's "aunt" is believed to have died in a plane crash and Maude almost immediately starts planning the trip she's going to take with the insurance money she thinks she will be receiving. That's just cold, but they made the episode very funny.

I am so glad to have the opportunity to watch this show.


I enjoyed her "God will get you for that" the 1st three seasons. You dont really hear it anymore after season 4

Swamp thing??
It was an 80s sci-fi/action show.

Maude does a great job at bringing humour into serious or sad topics. Yesterday ""Maude's Guilt Trip" aired and the whole attitude of the episode made me think of "Seinfeld." Maude's "aunt" is believed to have died in a plane crash and Maude almost immediately starts planning the trip she's going to take with the insurance money she thinks she will be receiving. That's just cold, but they made the episode very funny.

I am so glad to have the opportunity to watch this show.

I love that episode. Bea did an excellent job bringing humor and life to the Maude character. I don't get tired of her as Maude. She's not overly mean and grumpy all the time like she is with Dorothy.

I'm glad we have the opportunity to see this show as well. Maude was a blind buy for me because I had only seen a few episodes off YouTube before its release. Once Shout announced the complete series was coming, I pre-ordered the same way I did with The Facts of Life and had the fastest shipping possible. Even though there's some stuff dated, the chemistry of Bea, Bill, Conrad, and Rue make this show so much fun to watch. Their characters aren't obnoxious like AITF has with Mike.

I love that episode. Bea did an excellent job bringing humor and life to the Maude character. I don't get tired of her as Maude. She's not overly mean and grumpy all the time like she is with Dorothy.

I'm glad we have the opportunity to see this show as well. Maude was a blind buy for me because I had only seen a few episodes off YouTube before its release. Once Shout announced the complete series was coming, I pre-ordered the same way I did with The Facts of Life and had the fastest shipping possible. Even though there's some stuff dated, the chemistry of Bea, Bill, Conrad, and Rue make this show so much fun to watch. Their characters aren't obnoxious like AITF has with Mike.

Blind buy for me too and my favorite characters was

Arthur
Maude
Carol
Florida

Swamp thing??


Adrienne Barbeau was in the 1982 film adaption Swamp Thing based on the DC comics series, there's a topless scene with Adrienne bathing in the swamp, in the International Cut, there's more shown that just the side view.

Adrienne Barbeau was in the 1982 film adaption Swamp Thing based on the DC comics series, there's a topless scene with Adrienne bathing in the swamp, in the International Cut, there's more shown that just the side view.

I was turned on enough watching her on maude:lol:

I was turned on enough watching her on maude:lol:
say what you wanna say, but Gloria was better

say what you wanna say, but Gloria was better


I dont think Gloria ever dance did she? Carol was swinging those hips

I dont think Gloria ever dance did she? Carol was swinging those hips

I remember Gloria dancing once in a first season episode.

Maude does a great job at bringing humour into serious or sad topics. Yesterday ""Maude's Guilt Trip" aired and the whole attitude of the episode made me think of "Seinfeld." Maude's "aunt" is believed to have died in a plane crash and Maude almost immediately starts planning the trip she's going to take with the insurance money she thinks she will be receiving. That's just cold, but they made the episode very funny.

I am so glad to have the opportunity to watch this show.

I remember that one! It seemed that 'Aunt Tinky' had been a friend of Maude's mother that neither Maude (nor Carol) actually liked but they'd put up with her down the years just to keep Maude's mother off their backs! Anyway, Maude was dreading Aunt Tinky's visit but then when she thought Aunt Tinky had died in a plane crash saw dollar signs since Aunt Tinky had just phoned her up to tell her she'd taken out flight insurance and made MAUDE the beneficiary so she'd feel guilty for not driving her to/from her hometown to Tuckahoe! Then Walter got upset because he wanted to tell someone Aunt Tinky had died but since Maude had told Carol and Phillip had never met her, there was no one else in the family left to tell. But, before Maude could actually dance on Aunt Tinky's grave, Aunt Tinky showed up and explained that she decided to take the bus at the last minute and immediately started a nonstop dump session on Maude (and even put out a zinger over Walter's 'dumb haircut' despite the fact that she'd never met him before ) which got Maude to sob for real that she actually now HAD to put up with Aunt Tinky after all that!

I wonder if that's why Mary supposedly stayed 'friends' with Phyllis on 'MTM' ? Could Phyllis have been someone Mary's mother saddled her with and Mary never got the gumption to permanently throw off Phyllis?

I dont think Gloria ever dance did she? Carol was swinging those hips
she didn’t need to dance, her whining proved enough ;)