to everyone who i talked to about trades,
if you are, i guess, to put it in your way, suspicious of me,
I will offer you this:

if wanting to trade, write in the forum room and everything but mailing addys will be done in the forum room.
i will send out first,then you.
If you have a problem with the quality, it will be discussed and fixed.
but i kind of doubt will be problems.
<p>
and for the rest of you, discuss the trade in the forum room and send at same time- or work something out.
<p>
my list is old, ive been trading for way too long.
yahoo groups.
i am new here.

Welcome send me a private message if you want to see my trade list.

i contacted you on 4 seperate ocassions

im still interested,

what did you guys like from my site?

i dont think the problem with your posts is who sends first GS

as a new member u r expected to send first

u mentioned that u have been on other sites for years--- MAYBE if u let people know who u r and what handle u use on the other sites, people can check u out before hand--- many members of this site are active on the others and im sure at least 1 person here can look u up elsewhere

i think the problem is this

savage, myself, loren, others apparently
have all contacted u and tried to set up stuff
and so far it seems like noone is able to work anything out at all with you

u post a list--- but then when people ask about the stuff, u tell them its not ready to trade--- so how about this--- instead of posting the same things over and over with the same list---- take a few days off the board, organize your list into a useful one that lists ONLY things that you are able to trade-- and then add how many eps u have, how many discs, and what the quality is

then if someone asks to trade, respond to them

also, attacking or insulting the moderator or her site, is also not a good way to start off and it turns people off

traders can be suspicious sometimes, because weve all gotten burned before, and when you handle things the way u have so far, it does not help your case

i know of at least 5 people who have tried to set up trades and zilch has come of it, so maybe u need to rethink what u have before u go forward

just a helpful hint from your old uncle lamont

if wanting to trade, write in the forum room and everything but mailing addys will be done in the forum room.


It doesn't appear that you've got many trades going on, from what others are posting here. BUT...FYI, please don't discuss the details here. Details such as exactly what is to be traded, method of shipping, etc should be discussed in private mail or email.

HAS ANYONE RECEIVED ANYTHING FROM THIS GUY???
seems he has been posting for a few weeks and never seems to trade or respond to anyone?????

something smells like old fish here

it also seems that certain items were removed from the current list

one set in particular was removed, it seems after some discussion about its normaly a scammer who tries to list it for trade

im no longer interested in anything to do with thisi mess

i contavted the person 4 times and zero reply

far too many red flags jumping up and down for me to get involved

i hope detective-lord-savage sniffs this one out

I hope she's legit, I've already sent my stuff off. She seemed sincere enough.

I googled and and yahoo'd the address and nothing suspect came up.

J

I hope she's legit, I've already sent my stuff off. She seemed sincere enough.

I googled and and yahoo'd the address and nothing suspect came up.

J


and they just may be legit

but between lamont and myself, we have contacted this person 9 times, and no answer, and yes i did via email from two different addresses,and also by pm

and with over 20 000 total discs between us, on lists to offer

now combine that with some other things......

something hits me veryyyyyy wrong here

Maybe you can explain the quality issue from negative/neutral feedback for you here:

http://feedback.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewFeedback&userid=sugar_deals



to everyone who i talked to about trades,
if you are, i guess, to put it in your way, suspicious of me,
I will offer you this:

if wanting to trade, write in the forum room and everything but mailing addys will be done in the forum room.
i will send out first,then you.
If you have a problem with the quality, it will be discussed and fixed.
but i kind of doubt will be problems.
<p>
and for the rest of you, discuss the trade in the forum room and send at same time- or work something out.
<p>
my list is old, ive been trading for way too long.
yahoo groups.
i am new here.

Maybe you can explain the quality issue from negative/neutral feedback for you here:

http://feedback.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewFeedback&userid=sugar_deals



leave it to greg to uncover the dirt

i never could figure ebay feedback out

even folks that left good feedback for this person, said the quality was poor

same with shipping time, positive feedback and then made comments about taking so long????????

why ?????????

i guess it goes back to the payback thing, too scared of a revenge negative

a definate flaw in ebays system

leave it to greg to uncover the dirt

i never could figure ebay feedback out

even folks that left good feedback for this person, said the quality was poor

same with shipping time, positive feedback and then made comments about taking so long????????

why ?????????

i guess it goes back to the payback thing, too scared of a revenge negative

a definate flaw in ebays system

You're right. People are afraid of retaliation. Some sellers tell you upfront that they will not leave feedback until the buyer does it for them. That says everything.

You're right. People are afraid of retaliation. Some sellers tell you upfront that they will not leave feedback until the buyer does it for them. That says everything.


can you say BINGO

absolutely correct

look.
first off. i am not a bad guy.
i am getting all this bs thrown at me.
i redid my website and get blame.
things were removed because they were on vhs.
not tradeable.
second, greg shouldnt have ebay searched me- what happened to some privacy.
because i am new and didnt want to trade with someone we know, doesnt mean to bash me.
i sent a trade out and that person will hopefully help me in showing that you just dont jump on someone new.
its rude.
if i dont feel like trading with someone, i dont have too.
i didnt feel like trading with that someone. he scared me in the first responce also. so i didnt respond back.
now- i am getting all this bs.
i tried to be nice. granted i did not answer a few emails.
but because i did not see a trade potential.
you guys have invaded my privacy and made bs of me.
without getting to try me out first.
you were scammed by someone else- oh so that means i scammed you.
i have explained myself fully and am really pissed here.
you guys have violated me.
i didnt look to get the dirt from you guys. and you guys are new to me.
i dont know who i am dealing with.
but one thing i know is you guys are jumping rude to new people.

ding ding ding

look.
first off. i am not a bad guy.
i am getting all this bs thrown at me.
i redid my website and get blame.
things were removed because they were on vhs.
not tradeable.
second, greg shouldnt have ebay searched me- what happened to some privacy.
because i am new and didnt want to trade with someone we know, doesnt mean to bash me.
i sent a trade out and that person will hopefully help me in showing that you just dont jump on someone new.
its rude.
if i dont feel like trading with someone, i dont have too.
i didnt feel like trading with that someone. he scared me in the first responce also. so i didnt respond back.
now- i am getting all this bs.
i tried to be nice. granted i did not answer a few emails.
but because i did not see a trade potential.
you guys have invaded my privacy and made bs of me.
without getting to try me out first.
you were scammed by someone else- oh so that means i scammed you.
i have explained myself fully and am really pissed here.
you guys have violated me.
i didnt look to get the dirt from you guys. and you guys are new to me.
i dont know who i am dealing with.
but one thing i know is you guys are jumping rude to new people.

:hello

OK ill be the one to step out and point out the OBVIOUS

1. someone looking you up TO PROTECT MEMBERS OF THE BOARD is NOT a violation at all---- PEOPLE ASKED you for more info on yourself, I suggested you give people your other trading groups--- U provided NO REPLIES to any of the NUMEROUS inquiries that people posted---- SOOOO the LOGICAL thing is for people to do research themselves----

and the feedback they found was NOT GOOD (notice u NEVER bothered to answer that one!!!) in the last month u have gotten 12 good comments and 4 bad/neutrals--- which is about a 75% rating for the month--- NOT THE BEST and it seems that BAD QUALITY seems to be an issue! that is NOT a violation, that is just being INFORMED!!

2. it was NOT just 1 guy u didnt want to trade with ---- loren made inquires, NO replies, I made inquiries, No replies, the moderator savageamusement made inquiries----- NO REPLIES! in fact, u insulted her and insulted her site when she tried to ask u for more info!!!!!! I know of 2 more who tried to trade and got no replies also!!!

3. RUDE!!??!?!?!???? come on, u didnt reply to the overwhelming majority of the people who tried to trade--- repeatedly!! u ignored the helpful suggestions people posted to you, u insulted the moderator and u refused to provide any references or info about yourself----- even when asked point blank

and others are RUDE because we tried to check you out for ourselves?????

come on man

get real

i mean, THIS IS NOT THE WAY TO START OFF on a new board--- this is not how to make friends or trading partners and it ONLY makes everyone EVEN MORE SUSPICIOUS--- when people ask questions and u ignore them, it makes people think u are a scammer or have something to hide---- when people see a lot of bad or neutral comments about the quality of your items, it does not boost confidence in you as a trader

IF YOU ARE SO UNHAPPY THAT PEOPLE FOUND OUT negative info on you, then you should responded with your own info so that they wouldnt have to look u up

NOW i will say this, just because someone gets bad feedback on ebay DOES NOT MEAN THEY ARE A SCAMMER_--- some people expect the world, and some people are just NEVER SATISFIED, but since u chose not to reply, that is ALL WE HAVE TO GO ON!!!!

look.
first off. i am not a bad guy.
i am getting all this bs thrown at me.
i redid my website and get blame.
things were removed because they were on vhs.
not tradeable.
second, greg shouldnt have ebay searched me- what happened to some privacy.
because i am new and didnt want to trade with someone we know, doesnt mean to bash me.
i sent a trade out and that person will hopefully help me in showing that you just dont jump on someone new.
its rude.
if i dont feel like trading with someone, i dont have too.
i didnt feel like trading with that someone. he scared me in the first responce also. so i didnt respond back.
now- i am getting all this bs.
i tried to be nice. granted i did not answer a few emails.
but because i did not see a trade potential.
you guys have invaded my privacy and made bs of me.
without getting to try me out first.
you were scammed by someone else- oh so that means i scammed you.
i have explained myself fully and am really pissed here.
you guys have violated me.
i didnt look to get the dirt from you guys. and you guys are new to me.
i dont know who i am dealing with.
but one thing i know is you guys are jumping rude to new people.

First, if a trader has horrible feedback (like you do) or is kicked off eBay, I will not trade with them. I know some people are considered excellent traders but have horrible eBay and/or Ioffer feedback, but all that states to me is that they take care to treat their source of shows (that they then turn around & sell) well, to keep the goods coming in & don't give a rip about the people who give them money for the shows.

Secondly, it's rude to not respond to those who have responded to YOUR inquiry about trading. A simple "thank you but there's nothing on your list I'm interested in" is all that's necessary.

Third, by your hostile responses & defensive behaviour, I'd be amazed if anyone from this or Savage's board will ever trade with you.

well i will say this
MANY traders have had accounts kicked off auction sites
NOT for being scammers
sometimes u get kicked off for having "Unofficial Dvds" and they kick u off
so that does not matter to me

BUT this guy/girl seems to want to post a million times, never respond to anyone, never give any info about himself/herself
and then call us all monsters for checking him out

I GUESS Its just
like hes saying
"TRUST ME IM A GOOD TRADER" but dont look into it??????

:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

These pretzels are making me thirsty.

hey cartoon dvds, bring some popcorn

this aint looking too pretty right now


as a pretty experienced trader, i welcome if someone posts on the board for a trader check for me, or looks up my ebay info--- lorenw

of course they would find 1343 positives and only one negative

i can see where you may get miffed at the prospects of greg, just doing what any normal person would do, verify and know whom your attempting to make a swap with

if you cant stand some character and track records inquires, then this is the wrong area for you

there are plenty of yahoo boards that are filled with scammers and poor traders, that almost anyone can blend in, and commonly do

this site has almost all of the stuff weeded out, through hard work, digging, and in general free and open exchange of info, the backbone of truth

as it stands now, your going to be very limited as to your prospects here

as soon as i start smelling old fish, my interest level goes way down, im quite sure you have missed a few people with your little rant, but you sure hit enough of us to get the point across, you cant stand up to a little scrutiny

all of us had to prove our selves on this very board, no matter what you were elsewhere, its expected that a newbie sends first, its just plain makes sense, until they get established

look in the feedback area, look in the prefered traders area, these people got there through proving themselves not once, but every time out

lamont- first off- i just dont want my private life on here.
ebay is a part of that
i wasnt asked what my stats were.

second- hows i propose this to you- we start off new.
i can make a trade with you- sending my part first before you even make your part. check them out and detail how it is.
then send my stuff.
that could show you and everyone here.

>extends a branch of peace finally!

lamont- first off- i just dont want my private life on here.
ebay is a part of that
i wasnt asked what my stats were.

second- hows i propose this to you- we start off new.
i can make a trade with you- sending my part first before you even make your part. check them out and detail how it is.
then send my stuff.
that could show you and everyone here.

>extends a branch of peace finally!

had you just followed that course on day one

no one would have looked you up

and after a few trades with established people, you would have gotten some feedback,and been good to go

but now, i wouldnt take that plan

what lamont does is his call

but im surely not interested

I guess I am confused as to what the privacy breach here was.

Ebay is a public forum.
With a reputation system built into it- for a check on, reputations.

Ebay wants to know the peopel selling, are selling legit items
and or are doing a good job
They don't want to be dragged into any indescretions
hence, the feedback system.
When you sign up for ebay- your publically posting your items for sale.
You have to list with them banking information
and with any auction make your email/address/number public-

Before someone buys, they check yoru feedback
that is what it is therefore

it isn't considered a indecency nor is it a breach of privacy.
not anymore than me running a credit check on a tenant, or running a check on a plumber, before he does work on my house.

We live in a world where peopel take advantage of each other and this hobby is no differnet
We are set up very much liek ebay-
we leave feedback
we do credit checks- we just call them trader checks.
we post, our "lists" as resumes and our reputations, are our feedback

No one has ever claimed this insulted thier privacy.
And if you feel it does, then why were you part of ebay, which follows almost identically this exact policy.

The fact is ebay has more precations than a trade site does
because money is on the line
we are no different.
on ebay, for the most part you list and yo box up
Here we invest time to capture, edit, find, clean up, put i order, we buy media, stampos envelopes postage
we very much put time, effort, burner wear and tear into our items
and most traders like the precautions a trader check provides.

There are quite a few here, that sell
You can't sell HERE. But people are aware they sell
and people inquire- and again, no one has screamed invasion of privacy.

Your right you dont HAVE to trade anyone you don't want to .
ANd you don't HAVE to email people back

but people don't HAVE to trust you just because you say your to be trusted.

Why you seem to be taking things so personally baffles me.

Especially if you traded on Yahoo sites-
I own/run 3 of them
and I see trader checks every day. I run the trader Report site as well and get no less than 15 emaisl a day, inquiring IPS, trader information, addresses and so on.

Pupil1313 got an email from me, inquiring a holdup on his last name-
he was even suspedned while I looked into it-
he was patient, polite- it got worked out.
It wasn't a personal vendetta

Dragonbear, was on ioffer had some problems while he was sick, I wrote him to ask him if things were getting resolved
This is someone I have known 2 years.
Was it personal ? No.

Its standard- and that is what modeartors do- they look out for the board
and the rest, the community looks after.

Now maybe you don't like how we do things here-
That is fine, there are always your yahoo groups you said you traded on-
but don't insult any of my members, here or anyone else- for looking out for each other.
And dont' insult the integrity of a system that is in place for pretty much all auction sites, all trade groups- just becuase you find it personally insulting.

If you have had expereince trading as you say you have, all I can say is you must not have had any experience with scammers or bad traders- from the way you are handling things.
becuase most people are grateful and thankful- because after a few trades, and after they aren't "new" anymore
they are part of the community
One that looks after one another - and I am personally glad ot be part of that.
Many are- so far your the only one complaining.
And some actions are suspicious.

You said you traded on yahoo-
Under what?

On my site you signed up under a different name too.

So try looking at it from others point of view.

If you could take a step back, stop looking at their inquires as anyting but what it is, curiousity and precaution
We might get somewhere

but you posted below, you want to "start new"
when being treated as new, is exactly what your complaining about.
It seems to me in fact, you want to skip new, and go to accepted and trusted.
It doesn't work that way.
You dont' just become a BOSS
You dont' just become a premier seller on ebay
You don't just become anything in this world you earn it
The majority of traders here have gone through the same grilling
The same inquiries the same problem-
Its either worth your time or not-
But I will say this, every trader that I saw so far post on this is a respected, long standing, trusted member.
They aren't evil, they aren't cruel they aren't mean
They are respected members, who have earned their reputation-
And the reason there aren't more problems
and more hustlers and more scammers is very much due to their work and effort-
So mabey you aren't happy with them being curious or careful
but, the fact your first trade wasn't done with someone liek rags2richesfan, or pam maples
is due to their hard work and their losses they have already endured.
So this board is that much safer, for YOU due to exactly how they are acting.
If you have no appreication for that, I'm sorry.

lamont- first off- i just dont want my private life on here.
ebay is a part of that
i wasnt asked what my stats were.

second- hows i propose this to you- we start off new.
i can make a trade with you- sending my part first before you even make your part. check them out and detail how it is.
then send my stuff.
that could show you and everyone here.

>extends a branch of peace finally!

GS

no, i think ill pass
and here is why
U STILL HAVE NOT EXPLAINED ANYTHING AT ALL

1. who u r and where u have traded so that people can check u out
2. no explanations as to all the bad comments on ebay
3. u insulted savage, a moderator for asking basic info
4. u have chosen to not reply to me, all the other times i asked nicely, and are only doing so now once your bad rep has come to light

BUUUUUUUUT
id still like u to explain all this
if possible

thanks, but no thanks!

in addition
all the shows i was interested in, b/c they were so rare
have all vanished from your list
i guess those were ones on VHS and not "ready to be traded"
who knows

Amen to that savage.

For me, it's very hard to be the new guy in the forum because then don't know me and it's very hard to make trades, that was before. I prove them that I can be trustworthy, I send my end of the trade on time, some little problems like bad media (that won;t happen again, lol!) and I fixed them all.

I was suspended a couple of weeks ago. I am not supended because I am a bad trader, or I don't send my end of the trade. I was suspended because I made another account, just for me to ask about a certain trader. That's my fault. I just don't want to ask someone about his reputation as a trader, 'coz he might get angry, or cancel the trade. I guess that's when I was wrong, I should have had posted using my name and asked about him, silly me.

But I defended my side politely to savage, and accepted my fault, so I was reinstated and can now do tradings again here.

Hostility is not the way to prove that you are a good trader. Show them that you are a reputable trader by answering their emails and PM's, even if you don't like the dvd's that they got, tell them in a respectful manner, that way they will earn your trust.

They are very nice people if you are nice to them. It's just human nature to answer back if you are degraded or boasted, and also it's human nature to be nice to someone who is also nice to you...

and i ditto what savage said


pupil1313 got past his little snafu

made some trades with folks

held his end

and has proven himself worthy of trust


thats how its done

theres no free rides here

its all about how you handle yourself, or in the case of user gs, how not to

look.
first off. i am not a bad guy.
i am getting all this bs thrown at me.
i redid my website and get blame.
things were removed because they were on vhs.
not tradeable.
second, greg shouldnt have ebay searched me- what happened to some privacy.
because i am new and didnt want to trade with someone we know, doesnt mean to bash me.
i sent a trade out and that person will hopefully help me in showing that you just dont jump on someone new.
its rude.
if i dont feel like trading with someone, i dont have too.
i didnt feel like trading with that someone. he scared me in the first responce also. so i didnt respond back.
now- i am getting all this bs.
i tried to be nice. granted i did not answer a few emails.
but because i did not see a trade potential.
you guys have invaded my privacy and made bs of me.
without getting to try me out first.
you were scammed by someone else- oh so that means i scammed you.
i have explained myself fully and am really pissed here.
you guys have violated me.
i didnt look to get the dirt from you guys. and you guys are new to me.
i dont know who i am dealing with.
but one thing i know is you guys are jumping rude to new people.

Boo frikin hoo!

You guys are rude to me! I don't like the invasion of privacy!

Too GD bad

You come forward with a suspicious post right off the bat then complain when someone runs a check on you? 2 of the most experienced traders on the board are having issues with you removing items and not responding. And YOU want to complain that the jig is up. Try another baord to fleece people because here we do our homework and my friend looks like you get a failing grade.

Instead of being stand up and admiting the problems with some of your stuff, you whine and bitch and try to deflect blame. Peddle your wares elsewhere cause charging $25 for a piss poor quality disc is enough to make most people stay clear of you.

:goaway:

from sugar_deals to best_buy_101. You're making it hard for people to trust you.



P.S. Your feedback remains the same.

from sugar_deals to best_buy_101. You're making it hard for people to trust you.

:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

I think for now, everyone has said pretty much what they were thinking or others were.

The fact is, GS has done a trade, with JIE3 who should get their items soon.

So feedback will be left shortly which would confirm location as well as quality,and of course the items were shipped

They offered to send first, so my suggestion is take them up on that.

Its obvious the users here, do things with a grain of salt and a grain of suspicion.

Some lumps are being handed out, which can be quite overhwlming-
So in the meantime, while the groups opinion is being digested by GS-
why not allow some time , for their trade ot be received and feedback left upon it-
and should anyone want to trade them, take them up on the offer to let them send first- Which should take care of most of the risk involved.

That is if she wants to set up any trades, at this point anyhow-

You are so good looking.

from sugar_deals to best_buy_101. You're making it hard for people to trust you.



P.S. Your feedback remains the same.
some people dont know
if u change the name on an account
IT CAN STILL BE LOOKED UP by the old name and then it just takes u to the new name

HMMMMMMMMM

i wonder on this one, "GS" obviously read the replies to his/her post
and obviously went to ebay immediately to change the account name ( I CAN ONLY ASSUME to avoid other traders seeing the bad feedback) and yet did NOT chose to answer the questions about his/her past (which was asked AGAIN by more than 1 person), about what other groups/trade sites they are on and what their handle is there (which was asked AGAIN by more than 1 person) and did NOT bother to respond to WHY? they have such a lot of bad feedback on ebay about bad quality items and slow shipping times.

It would ALMOST seem like they are avoiding answering these questions because they have something to hide, or info they want to keep hush, hush.

I mean, if you have a side to the story GS, please reply.... otherwise it seems as if the board is going to just assume you are full of it.