Rudy acted like a LITTLE GIRL and Oliva always TRIED to act like an ADULT? That's why I never liked the Oliva Character. Rudy was more realistic. Oliva was ODD

Amen!!!!! I never knew ANY four year old back then who said the **** she said. Her cuteness was forced but Rudy's were more innocent and natural.

If I would have said that ****, I would have been holding an ice pack to my mouth. Like I said on the FM forum, smart ass kids are NEVER funny, I don't care how cute they are.

BTW: Is it just me or did Olivia dressed like a circus performer?:confused:

Amen!!!!! I never knew ANY four year old back then who said the **** she said. Her cuteness was forced but Rudy's were more innocent and natural.

If I would have said that ****, I would have been holding an ice pack to my mouth. Like I said on the FM forum, smart ass kids are NEVER funny, I don't care how cute they are.

BTW: Is it just me or did Olivia dressed like a circus performer?:confused:
Olivia and her POOFY OUTFITS...she looked like a balloon in the Macy's Thanksgiving Day parade...:lol:

I will be blunt here, I couldn't stand the little B***tch!!!!!! I hated her character with a passion. I didn't see her as a kid, I saw her as a young adult...I loved this show, yet hated so many characters on it...how can that be???? :rofl: Don't get me started on Claire and how whupped Cliff was.:lol:

Olivia and her POOFY OUTFITS...she looked like a balloon in the Macy's Thanksgiving Day parade...:lol:

I will be blunt here, I couldn't stand the little B***tch!!!!!! I hated her character with a passion. I didn't see her as a kid, I saw her as a young adult...I loved this show, yet hated so many characters on it...how can that be???? :rofl: Don't get me started on Claire and how whupped Cliff was.:lol:

Little Bitch??????? That's a little bit harsh, don't you think?

Not for a character that in my eyes, acted like an adult. I saw her as an adult midget, not a child at all. Rudy, was a child. We saw her growing up, a normal child.

Olivia and her POOFY OUTFITS...she looked like a balloon in the Macy's Thanksgiving Day parade...:lol:

I will be blunt here, I couldn't stand the little B***tch!!!!!! I hated her character with a passion. I didn't see her as a kid, I saw her as a young adult...I loved this show, yet hated so many characters on it...how can that be???? :rofl: Don't get me started on Claire and how whupped Cliff was.:lol:

:lol: Yes!! I couldn't stand Olivia mugging for the cameras.. her acting hasn't improved over time. I can't stand her show on Disney, always screaming her lines out and that "Oh snap" crap she yells out every five seconds.

She reminded me of a Little Miss beauty pageant contestant... anyhoo, yes there was so many characters I didn't like (Pam, Elvin, Olivia, Martin etc.) but I was with you until you said Claire, yeah she was a nag but... oh hell, she did get on my nerves at some point but I overlooked it because she was so beautiful.

Oh, I will give Phylicia thumbs waaaay up for her beauty. The character of CLAIRE, well, let's just say I am not too fond of how she was.

I liked Olivia better. In the last few seasons, she became the constant (aside from Cliff and Clair) in the midst of a whirlwind of casting changes. Until I started coming to this site, I had no idea that so many people disliked her. Also, Keshia's acting was terrible once she grew older.

I liked Olivia better. In the last few seasons, she became the constant (aside from Cliff and Clair) in the midst of a whirlwind of casting changes. Until I started coming to this site, I had no idea that so many people disliked her. Also, Keshia's acting was terrible once she grew older.


Why did you like Oliva better?

A lot of people here also don't care for how the character of Claire was either. I had no idea how much until I made a thread abt it a long while back. Even my friends when I brought it up during a discussion, they stated the same negativity towards the character of Claire, and also Olivia and a few other characters. Yet, I love this show.

A lot of people here also don't care for how the character of Claire was either. I had no idea how much until I made a thread abt it a long while back. Even my friends when I brought it up during a discussion, they stated the same negativity towards the character of Claire, and also Olivia and a few other characters. Yet, I love this show.

Now, I didn't like Clair. She became completely overbearing during the second half of the show's run. But, aside from the Clair character- I am always happy to see her [Phylicia], and I love Debbie Allen!

I liked them both, But I liked Little Oliva better then Little Rudy.

Also, Keshia's acting was terrible once she grew older.[/QUOTE]

I agree, ALL the kids acting has gotten worse over the eight year run. It was like they were just reading from the script like they would if they were asked to read a novel in class, no zest, no nothing.

It was a little painful to watch all five kids act as they got older but Raven Symone's acting was forceful like her stage mother was standing on the side telling her to act "cute" and like the kids, her acting has gotten worse as she got older, even today...instead she overdoes it, esp. on That's so Raven

I wasn't a big Olivia fan. I think I mainly disliked the character, because it was a new addition to the show. It was a step child for Denise and it ruined Denise's character a bit. JMO

I wasn't a big Olivia fan. I think I mainly disliked the character, because it was a new addition to the show. It was a step child for Denise and it ruined Denise's character a bit. JMO

:thumbsup: Denise couldn't even take care of herself so why would anyone leave a irresponsible, flaky nut like Denise to care for a child who was clearly smarter than her?

:thumbsup: Denise couldn't even take care of herself so why would anyone leave a irresponsible, flaky nut like Denise to care for a child who was clearly smarter than her?
Oh God yes! And as "adult" as Olivia was made to be, she could teach Denise a thing or two.

I hated the fact that made it seem like a mother would be ok with allowing her ex-husband have custody of their only child. Of course Bill wasn't smart enough to have written that the mother died; and Bill of course wouldn't dare have Olivia's mother be "unfit"...she was shown on the show once. It was so unrealistic that Martin would have custody of his child, especially since he was in the service. Bill really ruined the show when this scenario was set up and Olivia was brought in. I agree, as an actress I don't like her either.

Oh God yes! And as "adult" as Olivia was made to be, she could teach Denise a thing or two.

I hated the fact that made it seem like a mother would be ok with allowing her ex-husband have custody of their only child. Of course Bill wasn't smart enough to have written that the mother died; and Bill of course wouldn't dare have Olivia's mother be "unfit"...she was shown on the show once. It was so unrealistic that Martin would have custody of his child, especially since he was in the service. Bill really ruined the show when this scenario was set up and Olivia was brought in. I agree, as an actress I don't like her either.


It's not unrealistic if the mother signs over rights, One of my close friends mother signed over right to her father when she was a little girl and he was in the Army, But she lived with her grandparents until her dad was shot when he was in the Army. BUT till this day she HATES her mother for not being in her life.

It's not unrealistic if the mother signs over rights, One of my close friends mother signed over right to her father when she was a little girl and he was in the Army, But she lived with her grandparents until her dad was shot when he was in the Army. BUT till this day she HATES her mother for not being in her life.
I know it happens in real life, however, the mother presented to us viewers on TCS, wasn't an unfit mother, she had her head on straight, she was not a drug user/alcohol abuser, etc. I can't recall what flimsy excuse Olivia's mother gave for not having Olivia in her physical custody, but you must surely see that giving Denise a step-child merely to add another "Rudy" was far-fetched and stretching it waaaay too much. It would have been more logical to have had Martin be a widower or they should have just had Claire have a baby.

I know it happens in real life, however, the mother presented to us viewers on TCS, wasn't an unfit mother, she had her head on straight, she was not a drug user/alcohol abuser, etc. I can't recall what flimsy excuse Olivia's mother gave for not having Olivia in her physical custody, but you must surely see that giving Denise a step-child merely to add another "Rudy" was far-fetched and stretching it waaaay too much. It would have been more logical to have had Martin be a widower or they should have just had Claire have a baby.

Olivia's mother basically said that she wasn't cut out for motherhood and she felt trapped and wanted to go back to school, but she still loved her daughter.

Just because you have a baby doesn't mean that you want to be a mother. Not every woman has that mothering instinct or even want kids. Sometimes accidents happened and not everyone is ready for that responsibility.

Growing up I didn't want kids, when I was in College I didn't want kid, but then I got married and then a month later I was pregnant. I never thought that I wanted kids until I actually had my daughter.

That is the excuse, thank you for refreshing my memory. It was better in Bill's eye's I guess, to make her a person who didn't want to be a mother, rather than make Martin a widower or to have her be "unfit"...I guess he thought that sounded better to the ear. Well, it didn't sound right, although I know women aren't always ready to be a mother. It just was too far-fetched coming from Bill Cosby and TCS. I just think Bill didn't want to put any negative light on a young black mother by calling her "unfit". I still say he should have had Martin be a widower.

That is the excuse, thank you for refreshing my memory. It was better in Bill's eye's I guess, to make her a person who didn't want to be a mother, rather than make Martin a widower or to have her be "unfit"...I guess he thought that sounded better to the ear. Well, it didn't sound right, although I know women aren't always ready to be a mother. It just was too far-fetched coming from Bill Cosby and TCS.


She was unfit, she didn't want her daughter. How more unfit can a person get.

When I imply "unfit" I am going towards something negative such as drugs or alcohol abuser, a person who is quick-tempered, something to that effect. Saying "I am not ready to be a mother" just doesn't cut it for me, at least for this particular situation. Maybe what they should have done WAS NEVER BRING ON OLIVIA'S MOTHER AT ALL. Leave her to our imagination.

When I imply "unfit" I am going towards something negative such as drugs or alcohol abuser, a person who is quick-tempered, something to that effect. Saying "I am not ready to be a mother" just doesn't cut it for me, at least for this particular situation. Maybe what they should have done WAS NEVER BRING ON OLIVIA'S MOTHER AT ALL. Leave her to our imagination.


When a person doesn't want to be a Mother and they end up having children, they tend to abuse their children mentally and physically. So I would rather for a woman to give up her rights than to keep them and hurt her children.

you are missing what I am saying. I don't want women to have kids if they don't want to be a mother. What I am saying, for this situation, for us to believe that Olivia's mother didn't want her, it was best for Bill to NOT HAVE HER APPEAR AT ALL...leave it to us to believe she is this person who doesn't want her. Why have this nice girl come to dinner (Thanksgiving, I believe) and be all sweet and nice and all that. Bottom line, Martin should have been a widow. It doesn't make sense that the girl's parents didn't try to get custody or share custody of this child. Being a specialist in Family Law, I have seen this situation happen. One of the parents either didn't want the child or couldn't keep the child, the parents of that parent would try and get custody of that child. Olivia didn't have just one set of grandparents. Too crazy. REALLY, THE BOTTOM LINE, OLIVIA SHOULD NOT HAVE BEEN ADDED. Period. She was part of the problem with TCS in the later seasons.

you are missing what I am saying. I don't want women to have kids if they don't want to be a mother. What I am saying, for this situation, for us to believe that Olivia's mother didn't want her, it was best for Bill to NOT HAVE HER APPEAR AT ALL...leave it to us to believe she is this person who doesn't want her. Why have this nice girl come to dinner (Thanksgiving, I believe) and be all sweet and nice and all that. Bottom line, Martin should have been a widow. It doesn't make sense that the girl's parents didn't try to get custody or share custody of this child. Being a specialist in Family Law, I have seen this situation happen. One of the parents either didn't want the child or couldn't keep the child, the parents of that parent would try and get custody of that child. Olivia didn't have just one set of grandparents. Too crazy. REALLY, THE BOTTOM LINE, OLIVIA SHOULD NOT HAVE BEEN ADDED. Period. She was part of the problem with TCS in the later seasons.


They never really got into who Olivia stayed with, I'm taking it that she stayed with Martins family.

I understand what your talking about, Also I'm not close to my dads parents at all. I hardly have a relationship with them, so when I was a child if anything would have happened to my parents I would have went to my Moms parents not my fathers. So it all depends on who you have a close relationship with. So Olivia could have been closer to her dad's parents then her mothers. I can see why, since her mom wasn't around her all that much.

Yes, Rudy is a much more realistic character than Olivia. What three-and-a-half-year-old talks about not eating red meat, for example? Sometimes she did act her age, like when she not only let the phone on charging Cliff and Claire a dollar a minute, when she was calling that joke line, but she didn't even understand when a joke started or ended. But mostly, she seemed like she was years older than what she was, which was creepy. I wonder if Raven even understood half of what they had her say on the show.

About Olivia's mother, yes, that was strange. Okay, it sure can happen, that a woman has a baby before she's actually ready for it, but the right thing to do, if they had to add Olivia at all, would have been to have Martin be a widower. Rachel was a widow with a baby on "Family Matters" on the excact same time (1989-1990).

Can't stand Olivia either, and that preposterous storyline of how her mother didn't want her, give me a break. Yeah, things happen, but Irene, you're right, Martin should have been a widower. Or better yet, not bring on Olivia at all. She was freakish.

That was one evercrowded show those last few years. Spouses, boyfriends, girlfriends, grandkids (twins to boot, lol), a cousin, a stepchild, etc, etc. I'm watching the early seasons that are currently airing, and I love those years. It was such a sweet simple show then.

Yeah, there were too many characters at the end. But then, only two characters were in every episode in the 7th season, and that was Cliff and Claire.

I think it's weird that Olivia calls Cliff, Dr. Huxtable....yet she refers to Cliff's father as Grandpa Huxtable. It's too formal to call him Dr.

True! But Cliff really liked being called "doctor".

True! But Cliff really liked being called "doctor".
I guess so, but still having a family member call you doctor strikes me as weird. Downright bizarre for a child.

And Olivia wasn't a bizarre child?

I think it's weird that Olivia calls Cliff, Dr. Huxtable....yet she refers to Cliff's father as Grandpa Huxtable. It's too formal to call him Dr.
Good catch. That is so unrealistic for her or any child to call their so-called family member that title. I know Olivia isn't really Cliff's grandchild, but she was treated as such. I just don't get it. :crazy:

Olivia was a typical jump the shark moment--adding younger kids to an old show to make new storylines. It seemed like they tried too hard to give her the element Rudy had when she was younger. The Cosby's had an abundance of kids and even added the other daughter who was a college graduate in the middle the early seasons.

Amen!!!!! I never knew ANY four year old back then who said the **** she said. Her cuteness was forced but Rudy's were more innocent and natural.

If I would have said that ****, I would have been holding an ice pack to my mouth. Like I said on the FM forum, smart ass kids are NEVER funny, I don't care how cute they are.

BTW: Is it just me or did Olivia dressed like a circus performer?:confused:

LOL, those outfits were down right silly looking even for that era. With her being older for her age, I think they tried to duplicate the success Whats Happening had with Dee being smart mouthed and stealing the scenes.

Olivia and her POOFY OUTFITS...she looked like a balloon in the Macy's Thanksgiving Day parade...:lol:

I will be blunt here, I couldn't stand the little B***tch!!!!!! I hated her character with a passion. I didn't see her as a kid, I saw her as a young adult...I loved this show, yet hated so many characters on it...how can that be???? :rofl: Don't get me started on Claire and how whupped Cliff was.:lol:

That is the major problem with the show, it was so ****ing busy. All the new characters, disappearing characters; it started to lose focus. They should have continued with what they had originally. As far as Denise when, even after the ADW situation, she could have been simply reoccuring and living elsewhere. Don't get me started with the mystery daughter who was a college graduate that showed up out of nowhere.

And Olivia wasn't a bizarre child?
She most certainly was. I also find it bizarre that Cliff allowed a child relative to call him Dr. Huxtable. :crazy:

Yeah, there were too many characters at the end. But then, only two characters were in every episode in the 7th season, and that was Cliff and Claire.

Actually, not even Clair was in every episode in Season 7. She wasn't in the episode from that season where John Ritter and his wife guest-starred. The only cast members who appeared in that whole episode were Cliff and Olivia.

She most certainly was. I also find it bizarre that Cliff allowed a child relative to call him Dr. Huxtable. :crazy:
Yeah, but since it was Cliff and Olivia, nothing can get too bizarre.

Actually, not even Clair was in every episode in Season 7. She wasn't in the episode from that season where John Ritter and his wife guest-starred. The only cast members who appeared in that whole episode were Cliff and Olivia.
Really? That just sounds stupid. They could just as well have cut out the opening credits then and only credit the actors for the episodes they were in.

She most certainly was. I also find it bizarre that Cliff allowed a child relative to call him Dr. Huxtable. :crazy:
Ever notice how Claire referred to Cliff as "Dr. Huxtable" when the occasion arose? I wouldn't refer to my husband as "Dr. ****". I would say, "My husband is not home right now." Not, "Dr. Huxtable is not home right now." I can see if she was speaking with his patients, but she used that title for everyday people. I know there were times when it just didn't seem right, I will have to note them as I see them.

Why didn't Claire say to Cliff, "Hon" or "honey" or maybe "sweetheart", how abt "babe"? :confused: :crazy: :lol: She always called him CLIFF. So annoying.

Ever notice how Claire referred to Cliff as "Dr. Huxtable" when the occasion arose? I wouldn't refer to my husband as "Dr. ****". I would say, "My husband is not home right now." Not, "Dr. Huxtable is not home right now." I can see if she was speaking with his patients, but she used that title for everyday people. I know there were times when it just didn't seem right, I will have to note them as I see them.

Why didn't Claire say to Cliff, "Hon" or "honey" or maybe "sweetheart", how abt "babe"? :confused: :crazy: :lol: She always called him CLIFF. So annoying.
Claire could be very snooty. Is that the word? lol. I'm surprised she didn't have their kids call him doctor. :lol:

Claire could be very snooty. Is that the word? lol. I'm surprised she didn't have their kids call him doctor. :lol:
Oh yes snooty is a good word to use here. You are not the first to describe her as such. :lol: Can you imagine Theo having to call his dad "Dr. Huxtable"?:lol:

I loved Clair in some ways, but those snooty moments and other things she said and did just made me sour on that character.

Yeah, Claire could be just too much. And as I've said before, when we know how much Cliff liked to be called "Doctor Huxtable", it's no wonder, that Olivia called him that, even though she was a step-granddaughter.

Ever notice how Claire referred to Cliff as "Dr. Huxtable" when the occasion arose? I wouldn't refer to my husband as "Dr. ****". I would say, "My husband is not home right now." Not, "Dr. Huxtable is not home right now." I can see if she was speaking with his patients, but she used that title for everyday people. I know there were times when it just didn't seem right, I will have to note them as I see them.

Why didn't Claire say to Cliff, "Hon" or "honey" or maybe "sweetheart", how abt "babe"? :confused: :crazy: :lol: She always called him CLIFF. So annoying.


I believe that she has called him sweetheart a few times also My Love. And when she was speaking to friends she always referred to him as Cliff but others it was Dr. Huxtable. It's apart of his name, just like they call Maya Angelou "Dr. Angelou" it's just part of their name. Especially when someone is a Doctor of Medicine, plus it's respectful.