http://perezhilton.com/ to read about it.

Perez Hilton, that gossip columnist, has always had it out for Lisa and generally reports things that make fun of her.

I don't necessarily always agree with some of Lisa's writing and methods but I certainly welcome her right to have them and write about them.

It's not in the front page anymore...
http://www.perezhilton.com/topics/lisa_whelchel/boycott_blair_20060716.php

I don't completely disagree with the "boycott." The way she treats her children is disgusting. Thankfully her antics haven't ruined FOL for me.

OMG! I was reading the excerps that were put on a seperate website with highlighted sections and i cannot BELIEVE what i was reading! I took an adolescent psychology class last fall during college and i learned so many things opposite to waht lisa was claiming. She was saying that it's ok to back down and that it's ok to say, "we'll give you your punishment later" but i learned in psychology class that you should never back down from what you initially said to your child as a punishment becuase then the child will think that they could easily get out of any other punishment and not trust or rely on what you say. Also, you should not give your child the punishment later becuase they will not understand or even remember what they did wrong to deserve it, or they might devise a scheme to get out of the trouble by then. I also learned that spankings are the worst type of punishment to give, becuase it demeans the child and lowers their self image, it also makes them afraid of you. Time outs are the most effective thing and should be administered right away. I find lisa's tactics to be the most horrible i have ever read and i cannot believe the things she forces her children to do!!!

I'm sorry but that website is awful trying to stop Lisa Whelcel that isn't right. I mean people are entitled to have there opinions about Lisa but its her right to raise her kids however she wants I mean as long as she isn't doing something like slapping her kids to the point they have marks all over them or burises its ok. My mom spanked me when I was a kid and I turned out just fine. Also she has a child with ADHD and she has to get somewhat creative with her discipline. My best friend’s brother has ADHD pretty bad and his mom has to get pretty creative on how to discipline him or he just rebels and runs away. Also from reading Lisa's journals her kids seem fine with how she disciplines them I mean they are good Christian kids so she must be doing something right. I agree with you raya like you said I don't agree with all of Lisa’s writing and methods but she has a right to have them and write about them.

I have ADHD, of course it's not as bad as it used to be when i was a kid, but i hate when people blame things on the ADHD, we are just as normal! We just have more energy and an attention span of like 2 seconds... but that is why we are on medication. So please... don't go blaming her methods on the ADHD, it's not like we have a disability and can't handle discipline!

Of course she has a write to have her own methods and express them, i just feel that they seem so out of line with what could be done! But as long as she's happy with how her kids turn out... all that matters

There is an old saying that to keep civility, you shouldn't publicly discuss religion or politics. I'm given to the notion that you can throw child-rearing methods in that lot, too.

These days, if your children grow up to be well-adjusted, productive citizens, you've done a pretty damn good job as a parent, particularly given all the "vices" with which children can get involved.

If you follow Lisa's online journal, it appears she has raised three good kids, despite whatever her perceived parental shortcomings are. Her stated goal is to teach them right from wrong and to live "in a godly manner." None of us know her family well enough to comment on that.

As for Lisa's Creative Correction book, it is merely a compilation of suggestions for disciplining kids. Some may work, many likely don't work, and others may make you cringe at the thought of attempting them. However, keep in mind that it only represents her opinion, so take it for what's its worth. I don't support a boycott of her. Each of us has the right to free speech, and so I say, let her be heard: If her parenting techniques are indeed foolish, the public will see that. . . In the end, she is a Christian lady who means well; so. don't beat her up too badly for that.

I hope this boycott Blair thing doesn't hurt FOL sales. It's only one character. If you're going to boycott Lisa Whelchel, boycott the x-actress and her books, not the FOL.

What "boycott" could there possibly be?
They don't like her books, so they won't buy her books. That's it.
I guess I'm "boycotting" Danielle Steel, if that's the case.

I hope this boycott Blair thing doesn't hurt FOL sales. It's only one character. If you're going to boycott Lisa Whelchel, boycott the x-actress and her books, not the FOL.That thing is so old, that's last year's news. The book is actually good, I think whatever "questionable" things in her parenting ideas she has, I think she may have gotten them from friends, and I don't think she's even applied them all as the book might imply.
I think she wrote a lot of things to give ideas, but not as a straight on rulebook on parenting. She even admits she doesn't find parenting easy. The book was written before her kids became teenagers, so it's a different thing all together for her now. The idea I got from the book was something quite different from the "evil hot sauce mommy" people would later make her out to be, it was actually informative and very creative. No one is "boycotting" her. She actually wrote the book as a way to help instill discipline methods into her children with special emotional temperaments, not as a recipe for "cruelty". :whip If people really listened to what she says in her journals, they'd get a completely different picture of her than some "mean mommy". She doesn't need to be "boycotted". :rolleyes: I'd never think that anything she has said or done last year would reflect on the sales this past spring on the FOL DVDs.

Holy crap, THIS is disturbing:

p.138
"As we walk along together shopping, I will suddenly give them silly commands that they must obey without arguing, such as `Walk backward,' or `Stop and touch your toes,' or `Give me a kiss.' Occasionally I'll throw in a real command, like `Don't touch that,' or `No, you may not have an Icee.' My favorite curve, however, is to say no to some reasonable request, like `May I go to the bathroom?'"

wow! That is really REALLY disturbing!

I'm not against strict discipline, but I see no need to play cruel mind games.

As much as I love and respect Lisa and all that, I had to go back and look at that passage on Page 138 in her book. It was a game, as they grew older, it was all about doing arbitrary things without question, I suppose as an example of obeying God's commands without question. Well, with God, that's one thing, but haven't people blindly followed orders of authoritarian humans to their own peril over the decades? I've always believed that when God spoke to us and we couldn't understand it, we would have a peace and have SOME idea of what He was doing, rather than blindly accepting and doing. This is very disturbing of Lisa to do this. I hate to say it, but it is cultic. Many authoritarian religious institutions have withheld bathroom priviledges from adherents as a way of controlling them. Could Lisa not have been given a good honest critique from parenting experts before publishing this book?

Holy crap, THIS is disturbing:

p.138
"As we walk along together shopping, I will suddenly give them silly commands that they must obey without arguing, such as `Walk backward,' or `Stop and touch your toes,' or `Give me a kiss.' Occasionally I'll throw in a real command, like `Don't touch that,' or `No, you may not have an Icee.' My favorite curve, however, is to say no to some reasonable request, like `May I go to the bathroom?'"

Oh wow. The bitch is crazy.

Holy crap, THIS is disturbing:

p.138
"As we walk along together shopping, I will suddenly give them silly commands that they must obey without arguing, such as `Walk backward,' or `Stop and touch your toes,' or `Give me a kiss.' Occasionally I'll throw in a real command, like `Don't touch that,' or `No, you may not have an Icee.' My favorite curve, however, is to say no to some reasonable request, like `May I go to the bathroom?'"
WTF????? What on earth does that accomplish?????

WTF????? What on earth does that accomplish?????

It's just a power trip that she's on.

Her methods are really going to screw up her kids. They will become afraid of adults, or becoming adults themselves. She's breeding future Michael Jackson's.

It's just a power trip that she's on.

Her methods are really going to screw up her kids. They will become afraid of adults, or becoming adults themselves. She's breeding future Michael Jackson's.
:rofl:


What was wrong with how she was raised? I am sure she wasn't raised that way.:confused:

dang, i had no idea. I've never read any of her books, after FOL left Nick and Nite, I got "unhooked"..... but now a reviist to his board has quickly renewed my interest.

I'm going to have to look into some of this... it'.s..... odd.

Oh wow. The bitch is crazy.

hahahhaha!!! and i like the michael jackson comment too! LOL!

The sad part is, her kids are homeschooled. While I don't have a problem with homeschooling if the parents are sane, I question whether Lisa is. Her kids don't have a hope of being exposed to normal people because they're kept at home 24/7.

YOu don't know her or the situation. How can you question her sanity from reading an article written by somebody who has been trashing Lisa for years. IMO that is insane.

We can't judge Lisa or other people until we know the entire story, which we seldom ever do. Give Lisa the benefit of the doubt, I mean hey, she has raised 3 great kids that haven't gotten into trouble. Strange or not, her way of raising HER children seem to work on them. Maybe not all kids, but her kids.

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YOu don't know her or the situation. How can you question her sanity from reading an article written by somebody who has been trashing Lisa for years. IMO that is insane.

We can't judge Lisa or other people until we know the entire story, which we seldom ever do. Give Lisa the benefit of the doubt, I mean hey, she has raised 3 great kids that haven't gotten into trouble. Strange or not, her way of raising HER children seem to work on them. Maybe not all kids, but her kids.

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Yea I agree...a Celebrity and her children that have never been in trouble.. she must be doing something right.

YOu don't know her or the situation. How can you question her sanity from reading an article written by somebody who has been trashing Lisa for years. IMO that is insane.

We can't judge Lisa or other people until we know the entire story, which we seldom ever do. Give Lisa the benefit of the doubt, I mean hey, she has raised 3 great kids that haven't gotten into trouble. Strange or not, her way of raising HER children seem to work on them. Maybe not all kids, but her kids.

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no body is trashing Lisa and if anybody was it was because what SHE wrote in her book not because what the Celebrity collumnist wrote in his blog

no body is trashing Lisa and if anybody was it was because what SHE wrote in her book not because what the Celebrity collumnist wrote in his blog
I agree. The part of the book is what is posted on this person's blog. That isn't made up, it's LISA'S WORDS. I am in shock. I read it over and over and it sounds so damn crazy.

YOu don't know her or the situation. How can you question her sanity from reading an article written by somebody who has been trashing Lisa for years. IMO that is insane.

We can't judge Lisa or other people until we know the entire story, which we seldom ever do. Give Lisa the benefit of the doubt, I mean hey, she has raised 3 great kids that haven't gotten into trouble. Strange or not, her way of raising HER children seem to work on them. Maybe not all kids, but her kids.

DI know that Lisa is NOT crazy, nor is she a *B-word* as someone put it. I have been reading the passage over again and trying to make sense of what she is saying. I think she is trying to get her kids to understand that God may ask us to do some things that make no sense to us, but by faith and trust we feel like He is doing the right thing in our lives even though we may not understand it. I may have been a little put off by her alleged comments of denying her kids the use of the restroom or whatever, but I think I know what she's really getting at. I don't understand all the rules of their little faith-games, but knowing Lisa as long as I've known her, I know she's committed to doing the right thing and that she would not do something
to mess up her kids. It's just a faith-game they were playing, not a total mind-warp or anything. People should remember this book was written over six years ago and her kids are all in their teens now. Tucker is serving as a guitar tech for the Christian band The Newsboys (I met those guys several years ago, they're cool!! :cool: ) on a summer tour, and one of her daughters is on a mission trip in Peru. Her kids seem to be doing fine to me!! :D

a Celebrity and her children that have never been in trouble..
The day ain't over yet.

I remember someone saying her children haven't gotten into trobule but then again her children are like 6 years old aren't they so you never know what they may do in the future

She made it our "business" by making money publishing and promoting these ideas. Now she's laughing all the way to the bank. If she didn't want her methods discussed, she shouldn't have published them.

The thing is, she doesn't need to play these destructive mind games to make her kids faithful toward God or obedient. God and parents already issue plenty of necessary tests, challenges and commands everyday. The extra, unnecessary humiliation just screams of a parental power trip.

I remember someone saying her children haven't gotten into trobule but then again her children are like 6 years old aren't they so you never know what they may do in the futureLisa's children are between the ages of 13 and 16.

:rofl:


What was wrong with how she was raised? I am sure she wasn't raised that way.:confused:

I wasn't talking about her. :confused:

Lisa's children are between the ages of 13 and 16.
Really??oh still not old in enoughj to get in Really Really Serious trobule I don't think she needs to play those mind games does she do that to her 13 year old or whatever her kids ages are?

We don't really know if her kids are in trouble or not. They might not be in trouble with the law, but how do we know they're not constantly depressed or anxious with their mother's weird power trips? We don't even know they're not in trouble with the law because juvi records are sealed. Sometimes the effects of childhood abuse don't surface until adulthood.

For those who don't think obeying useless commands strengthens one's faith in God, I'll help you out. Walk backwards. Touch your toes. Right now. Stab your right arm with a fork. Throw mustard at your wall. Now.

What, you don't want to?

from one sarah to another sarah... calm down deary :)

from one sarah to another sarah... calm down deary :)
Touch your toes. Sniff your armpits. Drink vinegar.

Touch your toes. Sniff your armpits. Drink vinegar.
My niece puts vineger on everything. She loves it. :lol:

My niece puts vineger on everything. She loves it. :lol:
Ever since going to England, I've had a hankering for vinegar on French Fries, or "chips" as they call them.

Really??oh still not old in enoughj to get in Really Really Serious trobule I don't think she needs to play those mind games does she do that to her 13 year old or whatever her kids ages are?No, someone was saying that her son and daughters were around six years old. I pointed out that they were in their teens. As far as I know, I don't think she's playing these faith-games with them at this point, I haven't heard. I believe she is raising them as teens now. From what I have read in her journal, her son has gotten a lot of kudos from people at his church for being an upstanding young man, and her daughters the same. Which does not mean they don't go through the same things as "normal" teens go through.

I wouldn't know what she is exactly doing with playing faith-games, I think that it's a little bit of personal fun between them. If you just go by a book written six years ago that has been misquoted by people who don't understand her in the first place, you won't get a decent picture of her. If you follow her weekly journal entries, you have a greater understanding of her.

ABlairican, I order you not to use the bathroom for 48 hours. Just consider it a little "faith-game".

Have any of you actually read the whole book? I have!! That one excerpt was taken out of context. I have the book and there was much that was written before it and after it. I happen to think her writing is good. I have used some of her suggestions with my son. They really do work!! I was having major problems with my son before I read her book and took some of her advice.

Like ABlairican Pie said, God asks things of us that we can't or won't be able to do. They don't make sense, but they are good for us in the long run.

Well you have to figure that Lisa books are all based upon Christianity, and John 15:20 (NIV) does say that Christians will be persecuted, so for me as a disciple it’s not really a shocking thing to find out. I do think that lady says any thing she does need to check her facts and before she makes judgments on other people. I am going to pray for her.

Personally, I don't see anything wrong with Lisa's readings from what I have read so far. It does seem different, though. I think about how some parents and the way that they treat their children. You see things on TV and in the news. I continue to support Lisa and her success with her family and overall life.