Since the other thread is locked, I'm posting my reply to Lamont here.

As far as I see it Lamont, If a person is going to involve themself in this trading business, then that individual has to be able to deliver fault-free goods. Anyone can get hold of a bad DVD or defective VHS tape once in a while. But there is no reason to send someone DVD's with duplicate episodes and no sound. There is no excuse for it whatsoever. It doesn't matter how many DVD's/shows are involved. If a person won't check their stuff because "they don't have time" or "it's too much trouble/too many episodes", whatever, then don't trade. This board is a risky place, there are people who are not careful with what they do, and the chances of getting inferior quality stuff/episodes taken from TV with scenes cut and other problems is too great. So from now on, I'm obtaining official DVD TV show releases only. The quality is great, and the shows are uncut.

ok FOR THE RECORD--- this is like 3rd time its been stated and i cannot understand why people cannot get it

IF A MODERATOR LOCKS A THREAD--- that is your clue to STOP THE CONVERSATION

geesh!

and as for watching every ep all the way through--- SIR thats just no practical

i have about 25,000 hours of shows on my list
AM I SUPPOSED TO WATCH EVERY SINGLE EPISODE all the way through?

i do the best i can, i check against ep guides, i check multiple discs for quality and issues, i run them through a verify process
but i cannot watch EVERY SINGLE DISC in real time all the way through, its NOT practical and not realistic

i was not picking a fight with you, just pointing out how trading works and pointing out that there is a RIGHT way to handle an issue, and a wrong way to handle an issue

and with a set of 150+ eps, this could have been handled better and been fixed and resolved

ALSO--- official studio releases are OFTEN not uncut either--- check out roseanne? the first couple seasons were SYNDICATED VERSIONS on the official releases! many sets come out like that and on LOTSA LUCK set with DOM DELUISE, studio release!--- they actually LEFT OFF AN EP that is listed on the set, and later u could get it by the website--- so EVEN THE STUDIOS mess up!

NOW SINCE THIS ISSUE HAS BEEN LOCKED repeatedly, i wonder how many more times it will be brought back up in new threads????

for the record also
i got emails from a HOTMAIL member annonymously yesterday ( a moderator can verify this) commenting on this issue and insulting me for speaking out as i did

id like to challenge that person, who emailed me ANNONYMOUSLY 2 times through a hotmail account, BUT WHO OBVIOUSLY is a member of this board--- or at least a FORMER/BANNED member of this board, id challenge them if they feel so strongly to email me annonymously and insult me, to stand behind their words and post publicly what they emailed me under their REAL NAMES!

its easy for someone to stay in the shadows and toss pot shots without saying who they are!

if that person feels so strongly, they should be willing to stand up and say so!

The private message feature is your friend.

Since the other thread is locked, I'm posting my reply to Lamont here.

So from now on, I'm obtaining official DVD TV show releases only. The quality is great, and the shows are uncut.

I don't know anything about your dispute with Lamont, but the reason people are here is to get things that they won't ever see (as far as they know) on an official release. Also, don't assume that shows on official releases are uncut. Many, many shows are cut BIG on some releases!

LEE G has no dispute with me
ive never dealt with him

he had issue with loren (on another thread) about a hazel set that was not perfect
i spoke up and pointed out that trading is NOT an exact science and that sometimes sets are not perfect
and apparently it fell on deaf ears

Since the other thread is locked, I'm posting my reply to Lamont here.

As far as I see it Lamont, If a person is going to involve themself in this trading business, then that individual has to be able to deliver fault-free goods. Anyone can get hold of a bad DVD or defective VHS tape once in a while. But there is no reason to send someone DVD's with duplicate episodes and no sound. There is no excuse for it whatsoever. It doesn't matter how many DVD's/shows are involved. If a person won't check their stuff because "they don't have time" or "it's too much trouble/too many episodes", whatever, then don't trade. This board is a risky place, there are people who are not careful with what they do, and the chances of getting inferior quality stuff/episodes taken from TV with scenes cut and other problems is too great. So from now on, I'm obtaining official DVD TV show releases only. The quality is great, and the shows are uncut.



I think traders should get a Disc at a time and not the complete set because that way a DVD trader can check every ep on that ONE DISC. But I guess it would be impossible to check every ep on each disc if someone is gettting a complete sereis. I still feel it's way too risky to recieve a complete show on DVD. One disc at a Time or maybe two.

Yes Lamont. I am well aware why threads get locked. I don't agree with it, but I understand. I was simply responding to you because you had responded to me. You gave your opinion, and I gave mine. There is no dispute. 'Nuff said.

As far as official DVD TV show releases having cut episodes, it depends on the source. If the release is from some low budget, fly by night outfit, it could be possible. The stuff I have is all from major studios like Sony/Universal/Warner Bros. and the shows are always uncut.

ok FOR THE RECORD--- this is like 3rd time its been stated and i cannot understand why people cannot get it

IF A MODERATOR LOCKS A THREAD--- that is your clue to STOP THE CONVERSATION

geesh!

and as for watching every ep all the way through--- SIR thats just no practical

i have about 25,000 hours of shows on my list
AM I SUPPOSED TO WATCH EVERY SINGLE EPISODE all the way through?

i do the best i can, i check against ep guides, i check multiple discs for quality and issues, i run them through a verify process
but i cannot watch EVERY SINGLE DISC in real time all the way through, its NOT practical and not realistic

i was not picking a fight with you, just pointing out how trading works and pointing out that there is a RIGHT way to handle an issue, and a wrong way to handle an issue

and with a set of 150+ eps, this could have been handled better and been fixed and resolved

ALSO--- official studio releases are OFTEN not uncut either--- check out roseanne? the first couple seasons were SYNDICATED VERSIONS on the official releases! many sets come out like that and on LOTSA LUCK set with DOM DELUISE, studio release!--- they actually LEFT OFF AN EP that is listed on the set, and later u could get it by the website--- so EVEN THE STUDIOS mess up!

NOW SINCE THIS ISSUE HAS BEEN LOCKED repeatedly, i wonder how many more times it will be brought back up in new threads????



So since you are unable to check every ep should that mean no one should trade complete series? I mean because let's say they watch the first 4 eps and while watching those 4 it's a lot of freezing or no sound or some type of glitch. So should the trades be smaller?

Yes Lamont. I am well aware why threads get locked. I don't agree with it, but I understand. I was simply responding to you because you had responded to me. You gave your opinion, and I gave mine. There is no dispute. 'Nuff said.

As far as official DVD TV show releases having cut episodes, it depends on the source. If the release is from some low budget, fly by night outfit, it could be possible. The stuff I have is all from major studios like Sony/Universal/Warner Bros. and the shows are always uncut.


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yeah that is a good point-lol I was so surprised a popular show like the cosby show was edited

1. BIG RELEASES all the time are cut, Cosby Show, Roseanne, etc, etc, etc
MANY sets are CUT versions -- some sets such as MY FAVORITE MARTIAN have a mix of both, its not just the low budget companies is a BIG ISSUE with many releases--- IF ITS THAT IMPORTANT to someone if its uncut, they need to ASK FIRST and not assume

2. as for TVRESEARCHER--- u r flat out wrong, solomon
trading 1 disc at a time is just plain ridiculous, nothing personal, but it is silly
and NOONE except you does that---- at that rate, it would have taken me years to complete the GUNSMOKE or MY THREE SONS sets

3. i DO check sets, BUT i cannot watch every second of every show,

4. out of ALL THE TRADES i did last year--- i had like 3 problems TOTAL! 1 set had a mislabeled episodes--- NO BIGGIE, i contacted the maker of the set, who just redid that disc with the right ep--- another set was missing an ep that was supposed to be there--- AGAIN NO BIGGIE, the guy redid the disc and filled it in, and another set had issues with a few eps being OUT OF SYNCH audio wise, and so i got a new replacement set in--- so the problems that TVRESEARCHER is worried about simply are not happening on any large scale

1. BIG RELEASES all the time are cut, Cosby Show, Roseanne, etc, etc, etc
MANY sets are CUT versions -- some sets such as MY FAVORITE MARTIAN have a mix of both, its not just the low budget companies is a BIG ISSUE with many releases--- IF ITS THAT IMPORTANT to someone if its uncut, they need to ASK FIRST and not assume

2. as for TVRESEARCHER--- u r flat out wrong, solomon
trading 1 disc at a time is just plain ridiculous, nothing personal, but it is silly
and NOONE except you does that---- at that rate, it would have taken me years to complete the GUNSMOKE or MY THREE SONS sets

3. i DO check sets, BUT i cannot watch every second of every show,

4. out of ALL THE TRADES i did last year--- i had like 3 problems TOTAL! 1 set had a mislabeled episodes--- NO BIGGIE, i contacted the maker of the set, who just redid that disc with the right ep--- another set was missing an ep that was supposed to be there--- AGAIN NO BIGGIE, the guy redid the disc and filled it in, and another set had issues with a few eps being OUT OF SYNCH audio wise, and so i got a new replacement set in--- so the problems that TVRESEARCHER is worried about simply are not happening on any large scale



I'm just saying that a person will watch these eps on 19 discs or 20 discs eventually and what if the glitches are on Disc 1? See what I'm saying? So i think that getting a complete set is just asking for a lot of problems. And here is what is happening, you and 8 other traders may feel the same way about not watching every ep which meands that a defective set is going to be passed around and around because NO ONE is watching to see what the problems are. Do u see what i mean?

LEE G has no dispute with me
ive never dealt with him

he had issue with loren (on another thread) about a hazel set that was not perfect
i spoke up and pointed out that trading is NOT an exact science and that sometimes sets are not perfect
and apparently it fell on deaf ears

Yes, trading is not a perfect/exact science. Picture and sound quality are usually the main issues. But sending out DVD's with duplicate episodes and no sound at all is inexcusable. 'Nuff said.

for the record also
i got emails from a HOTMAIL member annonymously yesterday ( a moderator can verify this) commenting on this issue and insulting me for speaking out as i did

id like to challenge that person, who emailed me ANNONYMOUSLY 2 times through a hotmail account, BUT WHO OBVIOUSLY is a member of this board--- or at least a FORMER/BANNED member of this board, id challenge them if they feel so strongly to email me annonymously and insult me, to stand behind their words and post publicly what they emailed me under their REAL NAMES!

its easy for someone to stay in the shadows and toss pot shots without saying who they are!

if that person feels so strongly, they should be willing to stand up and say so!


You can challenge them, but its rare they come forward.

I have found those who argue through accounts that are 2 days old, the ones with no comments, or were sut up just to say something- as well as the "hotmail and yahoo acocunts"
that are set up the day of - just to say something are people who aren't able to had identified confrontation.
To me, its cowardly. *shrug* just my opinion.
If you have something to say, say it-argue it, whatever.
But to set up a fake account just to email someone so they don't know who you are, I find what thye have to say far less meaningful and far less important- than those who stand up to their name, stand up to me, or stand up for their arguement and opinion.

It comes down to this, if they don't want me to KNOW who they are, they are either hiding, or choosing a deceptive means to say it.

Kinda like hitting someone and running away, having to have the last word- and so on. Its a feeble way to say something.

TV RESEARCHER--- we all know how you feel, u ONLY do small trades
BUT also u only trade on vhs where stuff is done in real time, so u r NOT ABLE to do larger trades
99.99% of all traders do large trades and do dvd trades

the types of issues u speak of are VERY VERY VERY VERY VERY rare and few and far between, i send out lots of sets to NON TRADERS who just want the set and they watch EVERY ep and 99.99% of time there is NEVER any issues at all, and if one arises, 99.99% of time its easy to fix

doing 1 disc or 2 disc trades is a waste of time and not cost effective, as it requires mailing out tons of discs in tons of envelopes for tons of shipping costs--- if i did GUNSMOKE set 1 disc at a time, it would cost me over $300 in shipping to have each disc sent to me first class mail, 1 at a time and check it, OR SOMEONE CAN MAIL ME THE WHOLE SET PRI MAIL in a flat rate box for $8.05--- u figure it out!

if that is how u chose to roll, great for you, but NOONE ELSE on this site ever does it that way, ever---

i NEVER get someone who emails me and asks to trade for 1 disc of HAWAII FIVE 0 or such-- unless its for a certain ep they need

LEE G--- i understand you were upset-- HOWEVER by your own admission-- the biggest complaint you have is that the eps were UNCUT--- something you SHOULD Have asked BEFORE YOU DID THE DEAL if it was that important, IF THAT IS NOT THE BIGGEST ISSUE-- then u should email loren a list of the troubled eps and let him fix the discs--- SIMPLE AS THAT
i have a hazel set too, and ALL THE EPS HAVE SOUND, so its not like the set is not EASILLY FIXABLE_----- and as its been pointed out NUMEROUS TIMES by NUMEROUS MEMBERS
a WHOLE LOT of studio releases are cut version, EVEN BIG NAME SHOWS WITH BIG NAME RELEASES!Q=

TV RESEARCHER--- we all know how you feel, u ONLY do small trades
BUT also u only trade on vhs where stuff is done in real time, so u r NOT ABLE to do larger trades
99.99% of all traders do large trades and do dvd trades

the types of issues u speak of are VERY VERY VERY VERY VERY rare and few and far between, i send out lots of sets to NON TRADERS who just want the set and they watch EVERY ep and 99.99% of time there is NEVER any issues at all, and if one arises, 99.99% of time its easy to fix

doing 1 disc or 2 disc trades is a waste of time and not cost effective, as it requires mailing out tons of discs in tons of envelopes for tons of shipping costs--- if i did GUNSMOKE set 1 disc at a time, it would cost me over $300 in shipping to have each disc sent to me first class mail, 1 at a time and check it, OR SOMEONE CAN MAIL ME THE WHOLE SET PRI MAIL in a flat rate box for $8.05--- u figure it out!

if that is how u chose to roll, great for you, but NOONE ELSE on this site ever does it that way, ever---

i NEVER get someone who emails me and asks to trade for 1 disc of HAWAII FIVE 0 or such-- unless its for a certain ep they need

LEE G--- i understand you were upset-- HOWEVER by your own admission-- the biggest complaint you have is that the eps were UNCUT--- something you SHOULD Have asked BEFORE YOU DID THE DEAL if it was that important, IF THAT IS NOT THE BIGGEST ISSUE-- then u should email loren a list of the troubled eps and let him fix the discs--- SIMPLE AS THAT
i have a hazel set too, and ALL THE EPS HAVE SOUND, so its not like the set is not EASILLY FIXABLE_----- and as its been pointed out NUMEROUS TIMES by NUMEROUS MEMBERS
a WHOLE LOT of studio releases are cut version, EVEN BIG NAME SHOWS WITH BIG NAME RELEASES!Q=


I'm not debating here, i just wanted to ask you how can DVD traders cut down on someone recieving DVD's with glitches? My suggestion would just be less Discs, maybe 2 or 3 at a Time. Not 24

No solomon, you are not debating
HOWEVER u r speaking from a point of view that ASSUMES that dvd traders are receiving bad discs
WHICH BY IN LARGE they are NOT!
so there is NO NEED TO CUT DOWN on the # of bad discs being received B/C that # is small to start with
i trade TONS
and every now and again, even with the best traders, a bad burn happens, so i email the person and they replace at once
DEFECTIVE BURNS/BAD BURNS happen sometimes
but ACTUAL BAD DISCS where the discs are flawed themselves
is a rare occasion with most people and NOT an every day occurence

so the problem u are speaking about how to solve, is NOT a problem at all but rather, a rare occurence

Examples of official TV Show DVD releases I have are: Leave It To Beaver, I Dream Of Jeannie, F Troop, The Flintstones. All of those have uncut episodes. I can't speak for The Cosby Show, I don't have that, but if they put edited episodes on the discs that's a raw deal. One thing that's nice about Sitcoms Online, there are reviews on DVD sets with information that helps you decide if you want to buy the set or not.

ok but i think this is what they call SELECTIVE ANSWERING
replying to 1 smaller issue and not the larger ones


1. if the big issue was NOT BEING UNCUT--- then why didnt u ASK FIRST? if that was so important? i mean the LOGICAL ASSUMPTION would be that the eps are syndicated cuts, so why not ask first?

2. if the issue is that some eps had no sound, why not email the person a complete and detailed list and then ask them to fix it? by YOUR OWN ADMISSION you didnt want it fixed--- so i fail to see how u can post someone publicly for sending a messed up set, if u didnt give them a chance to fix it and didnt ask them to?

again it aint my situation, but if you didnt give the person the exact info to fix it, didnt ask them to fix it, and didnt want them to fix it and didnt ask FIRST if the set was uncut or syndicated length--- then how can it be THEIR FAULT if you are unhappy still?

...again it aint my situation, but if you didnt give the person the exact info to fix it, didnt ask them to fix it, and didnt want them to fix it and didnt ask FIRST if the set was uncut or syndicated length--- then how can it be THEIR FAULT if you are unhappy still?


OUCH! OUCH! It Hurts! The Quote Sums it all up in 2 seconds...Done, Finished. Put a Fork in it. YOU'RE DONE! It's OVER! :eek: :lol: :lol: :lol: :p

Priceless.. :lol:

Just too good to keep!...but it's none of MY business...so I'll just stay out of this... :p :lol: :cool:

Lamont, For the record I did ask Loren if his Hazel shows were uncut. His reply was- Uncut? Who Knows? I didn't press the issue further and against my better judgement I went ahead with the deal anyway, taking a gamble the episodes were uncut, which was my mistake. Edited episodes aside, I received duplicate episodes on the DVD's and episodes with no sound. That is something that should never happen. Had all the episodes been uncut, then I would have asked that the duplicate episode and sound problems be corrected. Yes, uncut episodes is most important for me. But the other problems that were present on the discs made the set a bigger mess than it already was with the shows not being uncut. So I decided to just forget the whole thing and write it off as a loss. It's all good, I have no ill feelings with Loren. I saw the apology thread and read what others had posted, so I thought I would tell my saga as well. Now let's put this issue to rest and move on to better things.

SOOOOOOOOOOOOO

this makes no sense to me

u now admit that you asked beforehand and were told THAT HE DIDNT KNOW---- yet u wanted the set anyhow? BUUUUUUTTT you post COMPLAINING that the set was NOT UNCUT??? did u read what u wrote? u complained and vented that the set was CUT, but u knew upfront??? HOW CAN YOU BE MAD ABOUT SOMETHING IF YOU KNEW BEFORE HAND THAT THERE WAS AT LEAST A GOOD CHANCE THEY WERE CUT??????

and BY YOUR OWN ADMISSION you didnt even bother to tell the other party WHAT EPISODES had sound problems and give them the chance to fix it??? IF YOU DONT WANT THEM FIXED---- thats your choice---- BUT YOU CANNOT COMPLAIN HOW SOMEONE SENT YOU A MESSED UP SET---- when it was YOUR CHOICE not to get it fixed????


YOU CANNOT in good faith and a straight face, CLAIM that you decided to "FORGET THE WHOLE THING AND WRITE IT OFF AS A LOSS" and then post MONTHS LATER attacking the other party and venting your frustration on them, WHEN YOU are the one who decided that the situation NEEDED NO MORE FIXING---- by your own admission, you just forgot it and decided you didnt care----

BUT YOU SEE the post you made, gave a totally different impression--- you made it seem as if 1. u were MISLEAD that the eps were uncut and 2. you made it seem as if the other party was UNWILLING to resolve it----
and now you admit that it was YOU not the other party who decided to forget the deal??????

if you decide to LET IT GO---- then you should LET IT GO--- NOT COME BACK MONTHS LATER WITH TWO GUNS DRAWN AND FULL OF ANGER AND NEGATIVE COMMENTS if it was your fault that it never got resolved?

WHAT YOU ARE DOING HERE SEEMS TO BE LIKE THIS----

Someone goes into a car dealership and asks the salesman
"WILL THIS TRUCK GO 150 miles an hour?"
the sales man says, GEE I DONT KNOW -- BUT its obvious that its VERY UNLIKELY that it will go that fast---
then you buy the truck anyhow---- take it home, and call up the next day and say--- THERES A BIG RIP ON THE PASSENGER SEAT!!!! and are mad---
the salesman offers to repair the seat---- and you say NO, FORGET IT --- ITS NOT WORTH THE TROUBLE< and then months later, you tell everyone what a TOTAL JERK the salesman is!!!!!

this is how it comes off to me----

you were NOT told anything false upfront, and you were told they didnt know
an offer was made to fix some issues and you decided it was not worth it

and now months later, you decide to slam the other party???????

at first i thought that maybe this was a valid issue, so i tried NOT to make any specific comments to anyone and just speak in generalities about trades
but as more info comes out, it seems like you would rather just complain it then actually get it fixed?

nothing personal, but if you have truly LET IT GO and FORGOTTEN IT, then it was way out of line to bring it up in this public forum, slam it to the other party, without revealing all the facts til later

just lamont with his 2 cents worth

Both sides have put on their cases. It's time for closing arguments. :lol:

i dont know how this got directed onto me
lee g and loren had a dispute but im the one who gets the new thread started towards me? after the moderators locked all the others?

the facts are, that LEE G totally slammed loren and made it sound like he got totally screwed over with a messed up set---- he gave the impression and led the thread to seem as if the set was CUT and he was upset (giving the "impression" that it was described as uncut--- which it clearly wasnt) and that the sender had issues and would not fix them--- both of which contentions are now admitted to be totally false!

which is my point, you cannot slam someone and chew them out and publicly slam them like that, if the reason that the situation was never resolved was b/c you never cared enough to work with the other party

From what I have seen, most home made sets are going to be cut. I would never assume I would be getting a set with uncut episodes. Most of the time if a trader/seller has a complete set of a show with uncut episodes they will advertise it that way.

Lamont is another one who likes to stir the pot and put his own spin on things. This did not get directed onto you Lamont, but you responded to me, I responded to you and we went on from there. There is no slam intended. Other people were posting their stories so I posted mine. I am the one who ended up with a raw deal. I can't really place total blame for the edited episodes because I basically took a gamble on that. BUT EDITED EPISODES ASIDE, there were other problems with the DVD's which I've mentioned numerous times and it's my right to choose if I want anything done about it or not. There were too many problems with the set, I decided it could not be fixed to my satisfaction and I never demanded a refund. I was really quite nice with Loren over the whole thing, I let him off the hook easy. As I stated before, this trading board is a risky venture, and I've done my last transaction here.

LEE G --- lets put it all to rest before things get taken by others to be a fight--- which this aint

you and i disagree on the situation, you see it 1 way, i see it another--- but regardless its over and it was between you and loren not me

i commented on GENERALITIES not to you personally, and if it got overblown, then lets put it out before it gets a bigger mountain from that molehill

i would not have handled it that way, but i do not want to start a feud either over this situation,

you and i have NEVER had any issues at all, and never done a trade at all
im sorry you wont be trading, b/c i know u collect some rare stuff, but i just wanted it clear and out in the open that
i have NO ISSUES with lee g at all, we disagree and maybe this thread got a bit heated, but he and i have a CLEAN SLATE in my book

sorry we dont see eye to eye, but take care just the same

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you didnt even bother to tell the other party WHAT EPISODES had sound problems and give them the chance to fix it?
I think you are missing the point Lamont. Most everybody believes that had he been given the opportunity Loren would have done all he could to fix the bad discs. The cut/uncut problem is not the issue, by Lee G's own admission that was a gamble he took and he doesn't blame anybody else for that. He is saying that since they weren't uncut, he didn't care about having them fixed or not.

But his main point is still valid and that is that he shouldn't have had to have anything fixed in the first place. Traders/sellers should know BEFOREHAND exactly what they are trading/selling. I don't see how you, or anyone, can possibly argue with that, but you did:

out of ALL THE TRADES i did last year--- i had like 3 problems TOTAL! 1 set had a mislabeled episodes--- NO BIGGIE... another set was missing an ep that was supposed to be there--- AGAIN NO BIGGIE

You've got more important things to do than defend sloppiness Lamont. For example, it seems to me your time would be better spent getting the 2 missing eps for your "complete" Brady Kids set so you can finish your end of our trade from April. I guess it's easy to defend sloppiness when you're not the one being affected by it, but is it fair for me to wait 2 1/2 months (to date) while you have had your end of the trade for that long? Do I consider that to be "no biggie"? For the person on the other end who doesn't get what was promised, these problems may very well be "biggies", especially if you're not going to resolve the issue(s) quickly, as has been the case with your trade with me.

Don't want you to think that I'm picking on you, or making this personal, Lamont, but I assume that since you see yourself fit to publicly defend sloppiness/carelessness, you're not opposed to being called on it publically either.

So far as TVResearcher's concerns go, when you are dealing with someone who is on top of things in terms of what exactly it is they have (cut/uncut, original/syndicated broadcast, complete/partial series etc.) then your risk when trading for a complete set is very low. Yes, it is possible that you will get a disc with a glitch on it, but that's not likely at all, and if it does occur, most people are quick to re-do. Not trading for complete sets because of fear of getting a bad disc makes about as much sense as not going outside for fear of getting hit by a car.

Your risk comes only when dealing with sloppy traders who do not give the attention required to the sets they get. The solution is simple: whatever show you are after, get your set from a fan/collector of that show. Do not get your set from someone who doesn't like the show, will never watch it and who has it only because it is "product to move".

As far as official DVD TV show releases having cut episodes, it depends on the source. If the release is from some low budget, fly by night outfit, it could be possible. The stuff I have is all from major studios like Sony/Universal/Warner Bros. and the shows are always uncut.
The Sony product Partridge Family Season 1 has one cut ep on it.

I can not see how sending a few dvds at a time would work for someone.cost to much money and really what does that purpose solve? If i send you 3 dvds or 20 from a set,and the same ones are defected,whats the diference,,if that makes sense

I think you are missing the point Lamont. Most everybody believes that had he been given the opportunity Loren would have done all he could to fix the bad discs. The cut/uncut problem is not the issue, by Lee G's own admission that was a gamble he took and he doesn't blame anybody else for that. He is saying that since they weren't uncut, he didn't care about having them fixed or not.

But his main point is still valid and that is that he shouldn't have had to have anything fixed in the first place. Traders/sellers should know BEFOREHAND exactly what they are trading/selling. I don't see how you, or anyone, can possibly argue with that, but you did:



You've got more important things to do than defend sloppiness Lamont. For example, it seems to me your time would be better spent getting the 2 missing eps for your "complete" Brady Kids set so you can finish your end of our trade from April. I guess it's easy to defend sloppiness when you're not the one being affected by it, but is it fair for me to wait 2 1/2 months (to date) while you have had your end of the trade for that long? Do I consider that to be "no biggie"? For the person on the other end who doesn't get what was promised, these problems may very well be "biggies", especially if you're not going to resolve the issue(s) quickly, as has been the case with your trade with me.

Don't want you to think that I'm picking on you, or making this personal, Lamont, but I assume that since you see yourself fit to publicly defend sloppiness/carelessness, you're not opposed to being called on it publically either.

So far as TVResearcher's concerns go, when you are dealing with someone who is on top of things in terms of what exactly it is they have (cut/uncut, original/syndicated broadcast, complete/partial series etc.) then your risk when trading for a complete set is very low. Yes, it is possible that you will get a disc with a glitch on it, but that's not likely at all, and if it does occur, most people are quick to re-do. Not trading for complete sets because of fear of getting a bad disc makes about as much sense as not going outside for fear of getting hit by a car.

Your risk comes only when dealing with sloppy traders who do not give the attention required to the sets they get. The solution is simple: whatever show you are after, get your set from a fan/collector of that show. Do not get your set from someone who doesn't like the show, will never watch it and who has it only because it is "product to move".


The Sony product Partridge Family Season 1 has one cut ep on it.


I said its risky because I hate contacting someone about Bad Disc because that means the trade is not complete and I have to wait some more days to get a replacement disc. When it comes to a complete set it can 5 or 6 Defective Disc and I just prefer not to deal with the aggravation-lol


BTW: you make a good point about Lamont publicly defending Sloppiness-lol That's exactly what he is doing

graeme
the brady kids set had no menus
so i apologized once u pointed out it was missing 2 eps
and i offered u can exchange it
i looked around an noone seems to have those 2 eps, so i need to update it on my list--- but those 2 eps are NOT gonna be coming anytime soon
so i will replace with 4 more discs if u want, or i can spot you something on the next film i send up to CANADA
but i cannot find those 2
since we have done trades since that time, and all was well, in fact i just got box from you today and have your films going out tomorrow or thurs (assuming jigsaw john is here thurs) i assumed it was a dead issue
BUT the offer still stands and ill toss in 4 discs to replace them if u tell me what you want

but again, since that was ages ago, and we have done trades since then, i assumed it was over with

and yes, i took the hit on that, b/c i DONT mess with cartoons and have no knowledge of them and the only ones on my list are ones i took to even up trades

so no i dont mind being called on it---- but at the same time, since you and i have been in frequent contact for the last 2+ months on these trades we have been doing, and you never mentioned it at all, i think it was not something you should have posted here like that
just not in good taste, i mean i offered to replace 4 more discs for you and i will still, but i mean when u and i are in communication and i had totally forgotten about it, all you had to do was mention it in any one of our emails
but yes, i was wrong in that instance and didnt check those 4 discs and yes i apologize publicly
thanks!

I said its risky because I hate contacting someone about Bad Disc because that means the trade is not complete and I have to wait some more days to get a replacement disc. When it comes to a complete set it can 5 or 6 Defective Disc and I just prefer not to deal with the aggravation-lol


BTW: you make a good point about Lamont publicly defending Sloppiness-lol That's exactly what he is doing

i wasnt defending sloppiness at all
just pointing out that SOMETIMES oversights happen
i do about 10-15 trades a month
some up to 200 discs at a time
and YES sometimes i make mistakes, but its not sloppiness, its just that EVERYONE makes mistakes sometimes and sometimes bad burns happen, and i always fix things if brought to my attention
99% of all trades go well
i wasnt DEFENDING Sloppiness at all
i was just saying THESE PUBLIC SLAMMING PEOPLE POSTS are not the way to best solve things

if you get discs that have issues, email the person and get it fixed, i get bad discs sometimes from GOOD TRADERS, it happens, and i email them with the problem detailed and they fix it---- that was my point and thats how to handle it

if i get a package from loren, or lilhave or savageamusement and have a bad disc or 2, i email them-- detail the problem and ask them to fix it--- i dont go here and
post that SAVAGE is a bum b/c i got 2 bad discs out of 50 from her--- that is NOT a productive way to handle it, and gives people the wrong impression
the POINT was that if u work with the other party and act reasonable, it can be resolved without all this ugliness and fighting and name calling

i wasnt defending sloppiness at all
just pointing out that SOMETIMES oversights happen
i do about 10-15 trades a month
some up to 200 discs at a time
and YES sometimes i make mistakes, but its not sloppiness, its just that EVERYONE makes mistakes sometimes and sometimes bad burns happen, and i always fix things if brought to my attention
99% of all trades go well
i wasnt DEFENDING Sloppiness at all
i was just saying THESE PUBLIC SLAMMING PEOPLE POSTS are not the way to best solve things

if you get discs that have issues, email the person and get it fixed, i get bad discs sometimes from GOOD TRADERS, it happens, and i email them with the problem detailed and they fix it---- that was my point and thats how to handle it

if i get a package from loren, or lilhave or savageamusement and have a bad disc or 2, i email them-- detail the problem and ask them to fix it--- i dont go here and
post that SAVAGE is a bum b/c i got 2 bad discs out of 50 from her--- that is NOT a productive way to handle it, and gives people the wrong impression
the POINT was that if u work with the other party and act reasonable, it can be resolved without all this ugliness and fighting and name calling


Well you still get the trader of the year award from me for sending me those very rare and nice quality Jackson Variety Shows eps. Best Thing that landed in my mailbox this year-lol

I said its risky because I hate contacting someone about Bad Disc because that means the trade is not complete and I have to wait some more days to get a replacement disc. When it comes to a complete set it can 5 or 6 Defective Disc and I just prefer not to deal with the aggravation-lol


That's fine & that's your opinion. Pretty much everyone else on this board disagrees. We prefer to build our collections more than one disc at a time.

That's fine & that's your opinion. Pretty much everyone else on this board disagrees. We prefer to build our collections more than one disc at a time.


Well you may have some glitches in your collection too-lol You better check,



Just playing around

Well you may have some glitches in your collection too-lol You better check,


Just playing around

I do have a few glitches. But they are minimal compared to the very cool stuff I have. I don't know what you're so afraid of, but if you live the rest of your life the way you do your trading life, afraid to take a chance because of what may happen, you must never leave the house. Watch out for those cars that crash into peoples' homes, tho.

Mannnnnnn I consider myself a top trader.
In years, in effort- in achieved collection

But I have used bad media
I have forgotten to check discs
I have forgotten to check sound once, when capturing and cpatured 18 episodes of 8 is neough without sound. DOH

This is just barely covering the mistakes I have made.
Doesn't mean I am a bad trader, means I leared a few lessons.

If someone wants to trade one disc, one episode, one commerical at a time - so be it.
And if they watch what they get, and are utterly enjoying the quality so be it.
I know many people who disagree with this theory, and take the glitches with the trade- and some get worked out and some don't.
Thats life.
Full of glitches.

Everyone is different and that particular discussion has been beat to death.
We are all aware of Solomons take on trading- and for the majority, at least on this site, they dont agree.
Does that mean Solomon is wrong. No. Of course not.
He is proud of his collection and does things "just so"
Some call it eccentric
Some call it annoying
Some call it careful

We all have to find our own groove and our own way to trade we all have different levels of acceptance and enjoyment.
Harvey for example, hates anything without menues (i do too)
Lamont, loves a show enough that he will take the show regardless and fix it later, or have someone else do it.
Loren is a stickler for getting things in order or attempting to-
and I am a stickler for getting things complete-
We all have our ways, not to be argued, but either accepted or find someone else to trade with.

But looking for perfect, will usually only lead to anxiety, dispaointment and paying so much attention to the format, the 'uncut" the commerical in tact etc that sometimes you miss the bigger picture.
Literally, and figurativly.

The simple fact is- do what you like, enjoy your collection and accept others wish to do the same.

Lamont, you know I like you but man oh man, you are asking for it:

the brady kids set had no menus...
i took the hit on that, b/c i DONT mess with cartoons and have no knowledge of them

Basically, you're now blaming your sloppiness on the authoring job done by the creator of the set and the format of the show. Fact is, those are non-issues. I was able to check the same menuless set and determine it was incomplete by checking the episodes with an episode guide. You didn't. And since you didn't, it wouldn't have made any difference if the show was live-action instead of a cartoon. The problem arose because you did not check the set carefully. That's the only reason.

i apologized once u pointed out it was missing 2 eps
and i offered u can exchange it...i assumed it was a dead issue
I don't think you did, or at least, it never got here. You most definitely have never gotten a reply from me accepting your apology or taking you up on (or passing on) such an offer, which surely struck you as odd as I always reply to your emails.

You're a good guy Lamont, everybody knows that. There are other traders who do not thoroughly check what they have either, so you're not being singled out, other than by example and that's only because you were the one who piped up.

I'm sick of seeing these "mistakes happen", "nobody can check every disc", and similar, statements from you and others. Not checking a set thorougly to make sure it is "as advertised" before you trade it is NOT a mistake, it is sloppiness. It is also the wrong approach to take to trading. Admit it. If you don't want to change it, don't, and people will find out soon enough. But don't defend it, that's totally lame.

Side note to Lamont: Thank you for letting me know the Brady Kids will not be coming, I will look elsewhere for them. You don't need to send anything else. Glad you got your discs, sorry they took longer than you wanted to get there but if you check the postmark you will see that they were mailed some time ago when I told you I had. Look forward to getting the films.

i will say this
graeme is a top notch trader and his stuff is good
i have no complaints with anything i have ever gotten in swap from him, so even if we might disagree some here, its not a personal issue or a gripe or complaint
but to clarify
YES the 4 disc set u got from me, might have been a bit sloppy, i dont bother with cartoons much, so no i dont always check them b/c i never move any of them, so i am sorry
and it was one of the 1st sets i got in, when i was first starting
and so i was still learning and maybe i could have checked it out better
if u didnt get it before, i am sorry
honestly
u know i have worked with you before and since to make good by you on trades

i dont take it personally, again i just think these issues are best resolved amongst the people involved--- by emails or pms or even phone calls
i honestly think that making something public is ONLY called for in the case of scammers and awful traders

as for checking things closer, u might consider it laziness but keep in mind
the amount of trading some people do does not equal the amount others do
FOR INSTANCE i mailed off today a HUGE BOX to someone with 290 discs
some of them had 6 hours on each disc

i work a FULL TIME JOB at night most times, i have sons, a wife and commitments
its just not reasonable that i can play EVERY DISC even at FFWD speed all the way through
if i did that, itd be a month before his box went out
and both parties are aware of that fact and the time factor that he wanted it shipped out in, so if any issues pop up, i will gladly fix them

WHAT I DID DO was this, 1. i physically checked each disc for any obvious dye spots of spirals etc, 2. i ran each disc through a verify process that picks up on errors, 3. i use good brand media and try to do the best i can
i also spot check every couple discs and skip around to be sure all is well

i understand what you are saying graeme, honestly, and yes u r a great trader and yes i have always been happy with our swaps
but this week ill mail out about 500 discs in trade (THIS IS A BIGGER WEEK THAN USUAL-- way bigger) and to be honest, out of the last year of trades, i can count on 1 hand the # of issues with sets that popped up---- thats a pretty good track record----

now i cant speak for all traders---- some traders ARE INDEED JUST PLAIN LAZY, some dont even check to see if its the right show--- NO LIE, i got a set last month, 10 discs--- i popped them in--- IT WAS THE WRONG SHOW ENTIRELY!!!! they never even checked to see WHAT SHOW was on the discs----
but i have found that most traders (at least most that i deal with ) 99% of the time, all is fine--- when something happens, 99% of the time they fix it

i try to check all sets BEFORE I put them on my list---- for instance right now, i have about 10 trade boxes NOT ON MY LIST YET--- because i have to check them out closer BEFORE i put them on my list---- EVEN THOUGH some of these boxes are from traders that i am SURE the stuff is fine--- the latest stuff from lazygrae is not on my list yet, the latest trades from lilhave and savageamusement are not on my list yet, the latest box from Joker is not on the list either--- now all of these people checked the stuff before they shipped it, and i trust them all--- BUT I STILL try to double check as best i can before i put them on the list

sometimes stuff gets overlooked, sometimes i miss things-- im an old guy with bad eyes and too much stress

ha ha ha

but seriously, i try to do the best i can and most of the time it works out ok, so i hope this big long conversation can be ended finally

Mannnnnnn I consider myself a top trader.
In years, in effort- in achieved collection

But I have used bad media
I have forgotten to check discs
I have forgotten to check sound once, when capturing and cpatured 18 episodes of 8 is neough without sound. DOH

This is just barely covering the mistakes I have made.
Doesn't mean I am a bad trader, means I leared a few lessons.

If someone wants to trade one disc, one episode, one commerical at a time - so be it.
And if they watch what they get, and are utterly enjoying the quality so be it.
I know many people who disagree with this theory, and take the glitches with the trade- and some get worked out and some don't.
Thats life.
Full of glitches.

Everyone is different and that particular discussion has been beat to death.
We are all aware of Solomons take on trading- and for the majority, at least on this site, they dont agree.
Does that mean Solomon is wrong. No. Of course not.
He is proud of his collection and does things "just so"
Some call it eccentric
Some call it annoying
Some call it careful

We all have to find our own groove and our own way to trade we all have different levels of acceptance and enjoyment.
Harvey for example, hates anything without menues (i do too)
Lamont, loves a show enough that he will take the show regardless and fix it later, or have someone else do it.
Loren is a stickler for getting things in order or attempting to-
and I am a stickler for getting things complete-
We all have our ways, not to be argued, but either accepted or find someone else to trade with.

But looking for perfect, will usually only lead to anxiety, dispaointment and paying so much attention to the format, the 'uncut" the commerical in tact etc that sometimes you miss the bigger picture.
Literally, and figurativly.

The simple fact is- do what you like, enjoy your collection and accept others wish to do the same.


Nicely stated.

:eek: I have come to one conclusion, YOU PEOPLE LOVE TO ARGUE. My favorite part of this whole mess was when Lamont had to appear exasperated because he had to keep repeating his same message. Gee, maybe he now knows how it feels to repeat endlessly the same thing over and over and never have it get thru a thick skull. :lol:

i will have to agree with hazel on that one!

but i have learned that there are a few members of this board

that NO MATTER HOW OBVIOUSLY WRONG they are
and NO MATTER HOW MANY PEOPLE TELL THEM THEY ARE WRONG
and NO MATTER HOW YOU EXPLAIN it logically to them
they will just not get it
and say the same thing 2 days later
:wave:

On this I can agree, wholeheartedly. You can try logic, being nice, being patient, explaining to the fullest extent, but they'll still go right back to where they started from never ever having heard a word you say or even considering a word spoken. Oh well, guess it all just makes the world a more interesting place.:)

i will have to agree with hazel on that one!

but i have learned that there are a few members of this board

that NO MATTER HOW OBVIOUSLY WRONG they are
and NO MATTER HOW MANY PEOPLE TELL THEM THEY ARE WRONG
and NO MATTER HOW YOU EXPLAIN it logically to them
they will just not get it
and say the same thing 2 days later
:wave:


whatever you said Coolaide-lol Just playin

whatever you said Coolaide-lol Just playin

Solomon, as mentioned before, anyone of a gazillion people who read this board, whether they are registered or not, can find out your name. Apparently, Coolaide from TVLand message boards doesn't want you to know their name, even if they know yours. To publicly accuse someone on THIS board of being Coolaide on TVLand board, is inappropriate. Lamont publicly denied being Coolaide. Your other thread on this got locked. This should be a hint.

Just playin'.

Solomon, as mentioned before, anyone of a gazillion people who read this board, whether they are registered or not, can find out your name. Apparently, Coolaide from TVLand message boards doesn't want you to know their name, even if they know yours. To publicly accuse someone on THIS board of being Coolaide on TVLand board, is inappropriate. Lamont publicly denied being Coolaide. Your other thread on this got locked. This should be a hint.

Just playin'.


Yeah after doing some investigation, I just found out Lamont is defintely not coolaide.

??????????? u asked me if it was me, i replied that it was not :confused:

clearly that it wasnt me--- :wasntme:

you STILL Needed to investigate to see if it was me?

:rofl: :rofl: :rofl:
i hate to burst your bubble tvresearcher, but i do not pay you that much attention

:hello

:grady:

Couldn't you have done that before asking publically tho? and REbringing it up in another thread ?

Maybe it was all a big joke or misunderstanding, but seems You would check all availabel soruces before posting something like that.
But I am glad you figured it out as no one likes to be accused even halfheartedly.

Kudos to lazygrae. An intelligent person finally came along and understood the reality of the situation. Well said, lazygrae. Thumbs up!

And to add: Hazel Anyday wanted to charge me 755 bucks for all the Hazel episodes. I was told the price is normally $770, and I was getting a break with $755. I got a good laugh out of that one! :lol: Even if the episodes were uncut and perfect, which I doubt they are, I would never pay that kind of money. The deal with Loren was bad enough. This board is a joke. There are folks here with thick skulls, but I'm not one of them. Season one Hazel DVD's will be available in August at a reasonable price. Maybe Hazel Anyday can find someone else to try and rip off. GOOOODDDDDD BYEEEEEEEEE!!!!! :wave:

Kudos to lazygrae. An intelligent person finally came along and understood the reality of the situation. Well said, lazygrae. Thumbs up!

And to add: Hazel Anyday wanted to charge me 755 bucks for all the Hazel episodes. I was told the price is normally $770, and I was getting a break with $755. I got a good laugh out of that one! :lol: Even if the episodes were uncut and perfect, which I doubt they are, I would never pay that kind of money. The deal with Loren was bad enough. This board is a joke. There are folks here with thick skulls, but I'm not one of them. Season one Hazel DVD's will be available in August at a reasonable price. Maybe Hazel Anyday can find someone else to try and rip off. GOOOODDDDDD BYEEEEEEEEE!!!!! :wave:

$755 for HAZEL set? ZOINKS!!!! and DOUBLE ZOINKS!!!!

:eek2: :dizzy: :banana:

and to think i have 3 extra sets sitting here collecting dust!!!

:rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :yippee:

Aw, Lee G, you disappoint me. We had a civilized exchange by email and we each went happily on our way with no cross words exchanged. You wanted one thing, I wanted another, we didn't agree, you went your way & I went mine. I even sincerely wished you luck in your search, I wasn't mad & I didn't think you were either. Now you come here and try to turn things ugly. Now I'm glad we never did make a deal, you do seem a bit irrational. :crazy: Good Ridaaaaaance.

Glad you got a laugh out of that one. You do seem a bit overjoyed & eccstatic over a simple deal that never happened and didn't even involve you. Perhaps you really do need to get a life.;)

HAZEL

if u read my post it was OBVIOUSLY GOOD NATURED and meant as humor

i dont even know if that is a LEGIT Price quote or disgruntled exaggerations--- i was just being silly

and i thought we had put the ugliness behind us?

or IS THIS COMMENT not directed at me personally also?

:mango :mango :mango :gary:

Lighten up, was just Lamonts backwoods attempts at humor

:bd: pig: :bighug: :stooges: :cow: :sheep :sheep :clap

Is there an anti Hositlity spray I can pick up at the local pharmacy?

You all need to open a window and I don't mean on the PC.

Go get some air
Go walk the dog, get a beer.

Turn your monitors off- its summer for crying out loud.
Back forth back forth, new quips new jabs.

Give the gloves a rest for a few hours.

Doesn't anyone have any trading to do?

Hazel Anyday, you chose to post here so you left yourself open for a response. You fell right into the trap, now it's all out in the open. What's irrational is your $755 price for the Hazel episodes. Good riddance 2 U 2. :wave:

Hazel Anyday, you chose to post here so you left yourself open for a response. You fell right into the trap, now it's all out in the open. What's irrational is your $755 price for the Hazel episodes. Good riddance 2 U 2. :wave:


Hazel anyday must have receive a shutoff notice for the water bill, electric, phone, gas, and cable-LOL

TvResearcher--- i spend much time disagreeing with you
BUUUUUUUT every now and then u post something funny as hell and i remember why we like you!

:clown: :mrtarver: :so popcorn: :yippee: :triplets :ducky: :bonk: :doh:

Yeah after doing some investigation, I just found out Lamont is defintely not coolaide.

How'd you find out? Did you inquire as to his knowledge of proper weedeater use, and he answered "yes"?:lol:

How'd you find out? Did you inquire as to his knowledge of proper weedeater use, and he answered "yes"?:lol:


The person is a fan of the Munsters and I never seen Lamont post on the Munsters Board.

Hazel Anyday, you chose to post here so you left yourself open for a response. You fell right into the trap, now it's all out in the open. What's irrational is your $755 price for the Hazel episodes. Good riddance 2 U 2. :wave:

Lord! Those prices are like quincy decided to turn mafioso and is now in the loan sharking business and out to collect!:lol:

OK, I'm willing to laugh too Lamont, and even shake hands. Please don't respond with another zinger, I am trying to bury the hatchet here, and not you know where. So we're buddies again. Lee G, you really are an angry fellow, I'm sorry you got so steamed over a non-deal that was more than several months ago. I can honestly tell you I didn't even remember what you were talking about till I looked it up on my old email pile. You really do carry a grudge, and I had even talked very nice to you in our email dealings. Just goes to show, you never know who you're talking to. Get over it already, Cripes. And to the rest of you folks, there was another side to this story, but I don't believe in airing private affairs even if it would make me out to be an angel. This one was, I had thought, a pleasant private exchange. As I said I was quite polite with "Lee G" the whole exchange but apparently Lee G went away mad even though I thought all was well. I really did wish him luck searching, and it was said sincerely. Here I thought us Hazel fans were polite with each other.:rolleyes: But I bear you no ill will, though you are obviously still steamed over something, I can't figure it out though. So, I'll wish you success anyway.:wave:

Solomon, as mentioned before, anyone of a gazillion people who read this board, whether they are registered or not, can find out your name. Apparently, Coolaide from TVLand message boards doesn't want you to know their name, even if they know yours. To publicly accuse someone on THIS board of being Coolaide on TVLand board, is inappropriate. Lamont publicly denied being Coolaide. Your other thread on this got locked. This should be a hint.

Just playin'.

Let Solomon call me coolaide one more time and he will find out if I'm just playin! Maybe he thinks it's permissible to say whatever he wants as long as as he says -lol. I find no humor of being accused of something I know nothing about, so the next time stick it where the sun don't shine, and I'm not just playin! or -lol'n.

Not once did you apologize for accusing me of some act which caused you no pleasure, so the little respect I had from you before shrunk even further. If you don't think you accused me, read you opening salvo in opening this thread.

Harvey

Hazel Anyday, I'm not an angry fellow. You decided to join the party here so I let it be known your outrageous price for the Hazel episodes. But it's all good. Yes, our e mail exchanges were pleasant. You have no ill will with me, I have no ill will with you. No more trades/deals for me thru this board, but I'll continue to post and discuss TV shows.

That's fine, Lee G, I'm glad to hear it. I would hate to have to tell you the price I've paid for items I've wanted in my collection. If you think charging 3 to 4 or $5 an episode is "outrageous" I can recall off hand paying $20 an hour for a TV series. I have paid $150 for a 2 hour movie in my time. But I didn't go out in a public square and denounce the person charging $150 or the $20 per hour of show. It was my choice to either buy or not to buy, it was a matter of did I really want that show and do I really like it that much or not? If you don't want to buy something there's no one forcing you and no reason to get mad. You either really want something or not that much and decide to keep looking. That's the way the game goes. And by the way, I agreed with your opening statements WAY BACK WHEN when this thread started. I do believe you should only trade or sell items that you know to be there and be of good quality with no missing episodes or no mute sound. If you can't be sure of what you're trading then you shouldn't offer it. So if you hadn't been in such an attack mode on me I would have agreed with your first basic premise. :)

Hazel Anyday, 5 bucks an episode may not sound like a lot, but for a series with 154 episodes it amounts to too much. And when you consider the fact you can advance order the season one Hazel DVD's from movies unlimited for $23.99 which amounts to less than a buck per episode, you can see why your price sounds outrageous. I don't know what the quality is of your episodes, whether you have uncut episodes or edited episodes from TV Land. But it's clear the best route to go is purchase the offical release when it comes out in a few weeks. Hopefully all 5 seasons of Hazel will be released. For now, I look forward to season one. We can discuss those episodes after the DVD's come out.

You're right, you'll get a much better bargain from a commercial release than a private sale. And for the most part, you're right again, you will get a higher quality product, uncut and hopefully pristine quality episodes. I will get items from private trades or sales with people but when the commercial release finally does come out (if it ever does, and that's the main problem, it many times doesn't get commercially released) I will always buy the commercial version too. I have the entire Perry Mason collection now in my collection, but did that stop me from buying the new Mason commercial Season 1 DVDs just this week? I have all Hazels that I transferred from my own collection now, but you can bet your boots I'm chomping at the bit to buy the commercial release of Hazel on August 1st. Not only will it have (hopefully) pristine looking episodes but they'll have Episode #23 that has been missing from mine and apparently everyone else's collection too. I can't wait to get it. Now, am I sure all the rest of the Hazel seasons will come out commercially? No, I'm not, I hope so, but I am not holding my breath. Just as I bought Season 1 of Kojak (even though I have the entire series that I transferred myself from my own tape collection) Seasons 2 thru 5 of Kojak have not been released yet by Universal and it doesn't appear that they will be released either. So I'm glad I have my own collection already made. But I'd still buy the commercial releases if they ever do come out. There are exceptions to the rule though about uncut episodes in a commercial release. For instance, Guns Of Will Sonnett, I bought thouse box sets but they are all the edited syndicated versions of the show, about 22 minutes a piece. This was a commercial release, but not an unedited pristine collection release. Sony has released, however, perfect versions of Bewithced and Gidget & I Dream of Jeannie, all uncut and beautiful looking. So I have high hopes for Sony's Hazel release. I just hope Sony will release the entire Hazel collection. I'll always buy a commercial release of any of my favorite shows, problem is will a commercial release ever come about?

755$ for 30 discs?

Sheesh and I don't even get paid to moderate this site.
Not even a free disc.

Hell I dont make 755 a week. Guess I went to school for nothing.


Can I have the names of people who pay that price?

I have some tapes of dust bunnies mating I could sell for the low low price of 745.00

:rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

Let Solomon call me coolaide one more time and he will find out if I'm just playin! Maybe he thinks it's permissible to say whatever he wants as long as as he says -lol. I find no humor of being accused of something I know nothing about, so the next time stick it where the sun don't shine, and I'm not just playin! or -lol'n.

Not once did you apologize for accusing me of some act which caused you no pleasure, so the little respect I had from you before shrunk even further. If you don't think you accused me, read you opening salvo in opening this thread.

Harvey
:crybaby:

Let Solomon call me coolaide one more time and he will find out if I'm just playin! Maybe he thinks it's permissible to say whatever he wants as long as as he says -lol. I find no humor of being accused of something I know nothing about, so the next time stick it where the sun don't shine, and I'm not just playin! or -lol'n.

Not once did you apologize for accusing me of some act which caused you no pleasure, so the little respect I had from you before shrunk even further. If you don't think you accused me, read you opening salvo in opening this thread.

Harvey
You need to develop a sense of humor. Solomon was only joking around. God. :rolleyes:

Solomon, as mentioned before, anyone of a gazillion people who read this board, whether they are registered or not, can find out your name. Apparently, Coolaide from TVLand message boards doesn't want you to know their name, even if they know yours. To publicly accuse someone on THIS board of being Coolaide on TVLand board, is inappropriate. Lamont publicly denied being Coolaide. Your other thread on this got locked. This should be a hint.

Just playin'.
Might want to put an APB out on your sense of humor. Same goes for your fellow crybaby. Learn to take a joke.

Might want to put an APB out on your sense of humor. Same goes for your fellow crybaby. Learn to take a joke.

Ah, I see the A-Team is here with yet another member.

Just playin'

Couldn't you have done that before asking publically tho? and REbringing it up in another thread ?

Maybe it was all a big joke or misunderstanding, but seems You would check all availabel soruces before posting something like that.
But I am glad you figured it out as no one likes to be accused even halfheartedly.


I don't believe he accused anybody of anything. He was not suggesting that somebody would have two accounts here; he asked if someone had an account on the TV Land forum. I don't understand why the thread was locked.

Ah, I see the A-Team is here with yet another member.

Just playin'
I fly solo. Not into gangups, like the crybabies on this forum.

Savage, you a moderator, tsk tsk. Here I am trying to keep a civil tongue and play nice and you're back to the zinger mode again. Might you listen to your own advice and agree to not be hostile or snide? If Lamont & I can agree to be the best of buddies, let's see if you can not drag us back into the mud slinging role again.;)

I don't believe he accused anybody of anything. He was not suggesting that somebody would have two accounts here; he asked if someone had an account on the TV Land forum. I don't understand why the thread was locked.
Solomon meant no harm. The crybaby drama queens around here can't take a joke, unless they're the ones making them.

Savage, you a moderator, tsk tsk. Here I am trying to keep a civil tongue and play nice and you're back to the zinger mode again. Might you listen to your own advice and agree to not be hostile or snide? If Lamont & I can agree to be the best of buddies, let's see if you can not drag us back into the mud slinging role again.;)


Yes God Forbid I respond with a sense of humor, or sarcasm to an ongoing tirade of redundancy.

And last time I checked, no one needed dragging to sling any mud around here.
Have you checked your own glass houses lately for stones laying around?

Wouldn't want you to trip

Now as far as the coment by Digital Monkey, dont' take this wrong- I respect your involvment on the board
But the thread was locked, due to complaints.
Made by users as well as people whom were offended by what they felt was an accusation.
True or false, the fact is this is a trade site- Not Judge Judy.
If someone wants to inquire about someone elses membership elsewhere, do it privately.

It isn't the entire boards business.
And once a thread is closed, and I take the time to contact users privately, to find the subject rebrought up even "jokingly lol, im just playin" is RUDE.
Not only to the choice a moderator or administrator has made- but to the people involved.
It was closed for a reason.
If you question that, due so to the moderator, or admin, or owner- and ASK- instead of just haphazardly bringing it back up.

Yes many people on this site DO lakc a sense of humor.
Yes there are many times peopel gang up and lynch others due to issues-
I don't care who points it out- the fact is people in general don't respect when enough is enough around here.
And have very little repsect for the deicsion to close or end a thread-
If they have something else to say they just do- which is a very petty and childish mentality.

The fact is, there is a LOT of dirty laundry being aired- and it is just that Dirty.
For example this thread alone has quotes of prices and sales, when this site is in fact a NON SALE NONE BUYING site.
SO your indirectly advertising for users and yourself- as to what you have and the prices.
Fair or not-

And many of these subjects are better left for private disagreeing
Or even just acceptance OF not agreeing.

But how many times do some of these conversations have to circle, BEFORE some will realizses you won't see eye to eye??
How many times do people have to get the "last word" in
And how many times does a moderator have to close a thread or say enough, take it private before peopel respect that request.

Because quite honestly moderators are not babysitters-
And the tolerance THROUGHOUT the site for this kind of behavior is wearing thin.

And it has come to the point moderators are bing asked to act like parents. Its unreasonable.
But if that is the way it has to be, then its simple enough, people can be sent to their room and find something else to do but post here.
Its real simple
If you dont like a price, don't buy.
If you don't like a user don't talk to them, don't trade them
If you see a problem or a dispute and you agree state it and move on.
If you need to offer support, offer it privately, you don't need to gather and lunch a member.
If you have a question to a user let alone a concern or dispute, try to take it up privately first- instead of opening a thread, hoping they will understand a joke, instead of an accusation

Are ANY of these things anything you don't do in your day to day life?
I see people whipping out insults, calling people names when they get angry.
I see people taking a HOBBY and turning it into WWF at times.
I see people asking a question and getting jumped on- and people crying about insults made, only moments after they insulted another.
GROW UP
This is a HOBBY.
This site is to benefit and aid in adding to that Hobby.

If people can't start respecting each other and their opinions on this site, maybe they need to reconsider their contribution.

You need to develop a sense of humor. Solomon was only joking around. God. :rolleyes:

Why, Solomon told you it was a joke.? So when I tell you I think solomon is full of it, I'm also joking. See my -lol

Harvey

Might want to put an APB out on your sense of humor. Same goes for your fellow crybaby. Learn to take a joke.

There is a big difference in a joke from a comedian, and one from a clown. -lol

Harvey

P.S. So glad you appreciate his humor. Solomon is a perfect candidate for that show "last comic standing". Has my vote. -lol Wow, 2 lol's in one post.

There is a big difference in a joke from a comedian, and one from a clown. -lol

Harvey
There's no difference between a nasty old geezer who can dish it out but can't take it, and you. No difference at all. Why don't you get off Solomon's ass, you old bully.

Okay I am going to REPOST THIS as apparently no one is actually reading it and more jabs are going on.
This is my FINAL WARNING.
Some peopel are going to find they have more time on their hands shortly.

IF YOU HAVE ANYTHING ELSE to add to this thread- it better be respectful and intelligent.

How many times do some of these conversations have to circle, BEFORE some will realizes you won't see eye to eye??
How many times do people have to get the "last word" in
And how many times does a moderator have to close a thread or say enough, take it private before peopel respect that request.

Because quite honestly moderators are not babysitters-
And the tolerance THROUGHOUT the site for this kind of behavior is wearing thin.

And it has come to the point moderators are bing asked to act like parents. Its unreasonable.
But if that is the way it has to be, then its simple enough, people can be sent to their room and find something else to do but post here.
Its real simple
If you dont like a price, don't buy.
If you don't like a user don't talk to them, don't trade them
If you see a problem or a dispute and you agree state it and move on.
If you need to offer support, offer it privately, you don't need to gather and lynch a member.
If you have a question to a user let alone a concern or dispute, try to take it up privately first- instead of opening a thread, hoping they will understand a joke, instead of an accusation

Are ANY of these things anything you don't do in your day to day life?
I see people whipping out insults, calling people names when they get angry.
I see people taking a HOBBY and turning it into WWF at times.
I see people asking a question and getting jumped on- and people crying about insults made, only moments after they insulted another.
GROW UP
This is a HOBBY.
This site is to benefit and aid in adding to that Hobby.

If people can't start respecting each other and their opinions on this site, maybe they need to reconsider their contribution.