I asked this a few years ago but I wanted to see if opinions have changed.

If you have a choice of copies for a program what would you rather have, a 3rd or 4th generation copy that is uncut from the original airing or a 1st generation cut for syndication copy covered in on-screen ads? Personally I would rather have the lower quality uncut copy and I am just wondering how other people feel about this.

You can't even trust DVD versions of shows anymore with shows like Alf, 21 Jumpstreet, Hunter, Roseanne, Married With Children, Kung Fu, Tour Of Duty, WiseGuy etc... coming to disc in either cut (syndicated) form or missing the music (sometimes BOTH).

I also love to have old airings of shows for the commercials/promos. In a way it is kind of a way to recapture my youth.

How does everyone here feel about this.

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How badly cut are we talking? I don't see the difference between first-runs and syndicated shows- how many more adverts are there?

Good try advertising your site though.

All syndicated shows are cut from the original airings. How much depends on the era.

All In The Family episodes from the original airings and Columbia House VHS tapes run between 26-27 minutes, on TVland they run 21 minutes. Hill Street Blues runs 48 minutes uncut, on Bravo and TVland they run 41 minutes. Star Trek runs 50 minutes uncut, 42 minutes in syndication etc....

The older the show, the more gets cut (since older shows ran longer and had fewer commercials to start with). Even newer shows that run 44 minutes uncut (Law & Order for example) run 41 minutes on TNT.

A few cable channels pride themsevles on showing things uncut (like Scream in Canada and Space: The Imagination Station in Canada) but no US network does.

Then there is the issue of rock music present in the original airings that when the shows hits syndication or DVD, the company no longer has the rights too, so that gets replaced (usually hurting the intent of the scene greatly) and since they usually just remove the music, the band is still credited for songs not in the shows (21 Jumpstreet did that, they removed the music but left in the title card with the bands name and the "songs by" credit). Sometimes it's REALLY bad, such as when a character is SINGING to a song that is removed, then the use CGI to alter the persons face (Hunter episode "Snow Queen") or have someone clearly not the original actor, try and overdub with new words (WKRP).

So, there is a BIG difference in syndicated airings and original airings of TV shows.

I will take the clean picture of the syndicated version EVERY time over any 4th or 5th generation copy that's been dubbed so many times you can't even make out who is in the scene because the picture is so washed out.

Some edits are done well enough that you don't even notice the missing footage unless you are a big fan of a show and know every single scene of every episode. The average fan wouldn't even pick it up.

There are however exceptions, the Hogan's Heroes set I made a couple of years back had horrible edits. They would cut to commercial with a fade out but you could clearly see a character was just about to say something. These are the only syndicated versions I have a problem with but for the most I prefer the clear picture over the older worn out originals.

I will take the clean picture of the syndicated version EVERY time over any 4th or 5th generation copy that's been dubbed so many times you can't even make out who is in the scene because the picture is so washed out.

Some edits are done well enough that you don't even notice the missing footage unless you are a big fan of a show and know every single scene of every episode. The average fan wouldn't even pick it up.

There are however exceptions, the Hogan's Heroes set I made a couple of years back had horrible edits. They would cut to commercial with a fade out but you could clearly see a character was just about to say something. These are the only syndicated versions I have a problem with but for the most I prefer the clear picture over the older worn out originals.


So what about an Original Broadcast of the Mork and Mindy Pilot from 1978 on ABC with commercials that is a 6/10 in Quality over a Excellent DVD Copy of the same episode?

So what about an Original Broadcast of the Mork and Mindy Pilot from 1978 on ABC with commercials that is a 6/10 in Quality over a Excellent DVD Copy of the same episode?



I want no part of 6/10 quality for a tv show.

If it was a football or baseball game that I realy wanted, I'd take it. A TV show, absolutely NOT.

I want no part of 6/10 quality for a tv show.

If it was a football or baseball game that I realy wanted, I'd take it. A TV show, absolutely NOT.


So it's no show out there you haven;t found yet and would take any quality? I personally would take a 2/10 Quality of a CHECKING IN episode-lol

So what about an Original Broadcast of the Mork and Mindy Pilot from 1978 on ABC with commercials that is a 6/10 in Quality over a Excellent DVD Copy of the same episode?


WHY IN THE WORLD would someone watch a lousy quality Uncut version of a show when u can watch an excellent quality syndicated cut?

that is just wacko there tv researcher!

WHY IN THE WORLD would someone watch a lousy quality Uncut version of a show when u can watch an excellent quality syndicated cut?

that is just wacko there tv researcher!


Because the Original ABC version is a part of TV History. For example, when I first watched the 1978 Pilot of Mork and Mindy on ABC, during the commercials I saw a 20 something Charles Gibson during a News Update for ABC. That's what I mean.

it really depends on the show. For the most part I would rather have a cleaner picture but since I wasn't around during when all my favorite shows were on it is fun to experinece it like I was originally there when it aired. I like original airings for the novelty of it.

I prefer uncut shows and am willing to trade off a certain amount of quality in return. Not 4th or 5th gen, but I'd take a 2nd gen uncut copy to an off-broadcast to disc, but cut, recording. Or sometimes I'll just collect 2 sets.

It does also depend on how they are cut as well. I don't mind when a 50' show is cut to 47'-48'.

Joker, I haven't seen the Hogan's Heroes you mentioned, but a couple of others that are edited very poorly that immediately come to mind include the current Hawaii Five-0 package and the Baretta set we did.

This is what I have found to be in the trading circles. Most of the time, of course not all the time but most of the time.

Folks would like to have as complete a run of a series as possible. Quality should be as sharp as possible. Menus are a must and if possible the episodes uncut, and in order and in some cases we achieve that. Of course sometimes sacrifices must be made. As far as individual episodes, they are only traded for when you need them to complete a set. But no one, well, maybe one person looks to trade for one episode of a series because of a particular guest star, or a special promo. When I see the post who has the original airing of June 6, 1977 of Crapola theater that aired on NBC, not TVLand, I know no one will respond. Why would any one want to make a trade of one half hour show and waste time and postage for one episode but this chap will continue to ask for one show, get no response and come back and ask for one more show and still get no response. Even a dog if kicked in the ass enough times learns.

Harvey

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But no one, well, maybe one person looks to trade for one episode of a series because of a particular guest star, or a special promo. When I see the post who has the original airing of June 6, 1977 of Crapola theater that aired on NBC, not TVLand, I know no one will respond. Why would any one want to make a trade of one half hour show and waste time and postage for one episode but this chap will continue to ask for one show, get no response and come back and ask for one more show and still get no response. Even a dog if kicked in the ass enough times learns.

Harvey

did someone say Crapola Theatre??!!

Some stuff is a big issue as far as Music Rights.

For Instance, first season of Wiseguy without original music is PAINFUL to someone who saw it in first run and like Lazy, I would take a 2nd gen tape over the uncut pristine dvd. Sorry, but Nights in White Satin music is irreplaceable and any who have seen this will understand.

Now, as far as the sitcoms, most of the time, like Joker said, its a who cares issue to me? You would have to know every line to get all the edits.

Tom

Because the Original ABC version is a part of TV History. For example, when I first watched the 1978 Pilot of Mork and Mindy on ABC, during the commercials I saw a 20 something Charles Gibson during a News Update for ABC. That's what I mean.


thanks god for tivo, now we can skip that crap

i tend to watch the current shows in about 42 minutes per hour

i never watch anything live, always on tivo

even braves and packers games as well

this allows me to get entertainment jammed into my tv time, not adds, and fluff

Some stuff is a big issue as far as Music Rights.

For Instance, first season of Wiseguy without original music is PAINFUL to someone who saw it in first run and like Lazy, I would take a 2nd gen tape over the uncut pristine dvd. Sorry, but Nights in White Satin music is irreplaceable and any who have seen this will understand.

Now, as far as the sitcoms, most of the time, like Joker said, its a who cares issue to me? You would have to know every line to get all the edits.

Tom

i agree on the music, i just received my season one retail of here come the brides

i have to sit and sing the song myself, since they cut it out on reatil as well as on reruns

the instrumental just sucks

but---as far as the show itself, i want the best quality possible, even if it means getting cut length

not hallmark length, but normal average cuts are ok, in exchange for better quality

HALLMARK length on a 1 hour show?

isnt that about 13 minutes now?

ha ha ha

:lol: :lol: :lol:

did someone say Crapola Theatre??!!

Yes, I have the original airing, with a promo starring Katie Couric as a 19 year old, bending over in a mini skirt to pick up a dropped news report. Bet she will wear panties from now on. For those interested in trading, it's on my premium list.

Harvey

Harvey i just have to get that Crapola Theatre from you?

does it have the scene where Joey Crapoli brushes his teeth for 12 seconds? or is that cut out? :lol:

Harvey i just have to get that Crapola Theatre from you?

does it have the scene where Joey Crapoli brushes his teeth for 12 seconds? or is that cut out? :lol:

I have bad new for you Lamont. We will not be able trade Crapola theater any more. Sony has just announced they will be releasing the first season on dvd, with a shipping date of July 2.

This will include the final episode of season one where Johnny Crapola, also known as Johnny gives a crap, is sitting on the potty, reaching for the charmin and is shot. In the version you have, when the forensic team comes in with the gas masks on, the scene ends. Here you get to see the entire mopup.

Sony wants to take advantage of the hysteria they produced in the 50's, and have a spinoff entitled "The Crapola's vs. Godzilla.

Special note to Soloman. Don't buy the set. Episode 5 is missing 1.8 seconds. From what I understand Wolfie has a 23rd generation tape, complete and is willing to ship. If your afraid of Wolfie you can get it on Loren's premium list.
Loren's has no menu but I'm sure Joker will make you a menu.

Harvey

Harvey, can we see your PREMIUM list some day. It sounds like you have some interesting things stashed but don't want to share with the rest of us.
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[QUOTE=y2k3Joker]Harvey, can we see your PREMIUM list some day. It sounds like you have some interesting things stashed but don't want to share with the rest of us.


:Keep in mind that I'm almost all 50's and 60's stuff. Some of my recent stuff I just have shipped out, My Hero, My friend Flicka, Roy Rogers, Men in a suitcase, Men in space, Oh Susanna. Just picked up 132 of Rin Tin Tin, had yesterday sent 125 of the 127 Our Miss Brooks and 32 of the 36 Frontier Doctor. Today was sent the 12 Miss Marples by Joan Hickson and 21 dvds of Forest Rangers. Friday will be send full run of Richard Boone theater and 6 dvds of unaired pilots.

Got 8 disks of Playhouse 90 and another buddy is getting 20 eps of Dick Powell theater and 30 eps of Mr. Novak. All solid traders.

Just got the rare pilot of Whispering Smith.

Harvey

nevermind, my bad.

I got a couple of letters mixed up in your earlier post ..... (something about Katie Couric bending over) :lol:

So I was curious about your OTHER premium list.

Harvey, can we see your PREMIUM list some day. It sounds like you have some interesting things stashed but don't want to share with the rest of us.
:p
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ok yous mugs want to speak of something rare

ok here it is

i have a 15 minute video clip of lamont turning down a trade for some silly show with 3 epsidoes and a 4 of 10 quality from the 80s, that was supposed to be so rare

for the first few minutes he looked like wimpy fonzie from happy days when he tried to say he was wrooooong

then his face got all friday the 13th looking

and then finaly he burst into convulsions similar to the guy-- junior from the coco puffs adds

it was the closest thing to human spontaneous combustion since the mike jackson pepsi commercial

oh the humanity

ok yous mugs want to speak of something rare

ok here it is

i have a 15 minute video clip of lamont turning down a trade for some silly show with 3 epsidoes and a 4 of 10 quality from the 80s, that was supposed to be so rare

for the first few minutes he looked like wimpy fonzie from happy days when he tried to say he was wrooooong

then his face got all friday the 13th looking

and then finaly he burst into convulsions similar to the guy-- junior from the coco puffs adds

it was the closest thing to human spontaneous combustion since the mike jackson pepsi commercial

oh the humanity

I don't believe you that Lamont turned down a trade. Just this morning someone offered Lamont a 30 minute clip of the authorities digging up the farm, looking for Hoffa's grave. Lamont traded for it and put it up on his premium list with one dvd of Johnny Crapola doing the Watusi.

Harvey

I don't believe you that Lamont turned down a trade. Just this morning someone offered Lamont a 30 minute clip of the authorities digging up the farm, looking for Hoffa's grave. Lamont traded for it and put it up on his premium list with one dvd of Johnny Crapola doing the Watusi.

Harvey


the reason he wanted the dig footage is theres a small boy in the left side of the shot

lamont figured he would grow up to be soemone some day, and lamont wanted to become part of history

aftre all thats why a person watches tv, for the adds and the baby shots of people who become someone 40 years later

the reason he wanted the dig footage is theres a small boy in the left side of the shot

lamont figured he would grow up to be soemone some day, and lamont wanted to become part of history

aftre all thats why a person watches tv, for the adds and the baby shots of people who become someone 40 years later

Now you make a lot of sense. Sure by the time Tv land gets a hold of it, surely they will delete the frame of the little boy taking a pee in the ditch. The kid could turn out to be a senator and a pee pee shot would be worth millions. That's the difference between you and Lamont, you have the foresight to think ahead and Lamont is just looking for 9th generation tapes.

Harvey

loren and lilhave

i just got in today
VERY RARE a 12 disc set of my lawn being mowed!! WITH THE BANNED footage of me hurting myself with the weed wacker
PREMIUM LIST ONLY!

:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

to tvresearcher
im sorry to say it is NOT from original network airings
:(

loren and lilhave

i just got in today
VERY RARE a 12 disc set of my lawn being mowed!! WITH THE BANNED footage of me hurting myself with the weed wacker
PREMIUM LIST ONLY!

:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

Is there any hospital shots of the Pee Pee being sewn back on, or will you need a prostethesis?

Harvey

I prefer the original network telecast, over a syndication release any day, especially now-a-days, with those annoying pop-ups. I won't even watch any TV show now-a-days, for that reason, I sure don't want to see animation at the bottom on the screen, while the show is running, that's why I'll wait, until a show comes out on DVD. If I wanted a syndication release, well, I'll just wait until some station is playing it, and record it myself, whereas, the original telecast, you don't have that option, that's why I only trade for original telecast.