I talked to my contact at the doe network and she asked one of her contacts about Nyleen Kay Marshall's mother. Here is her reply:

"Hi again Heather,

I finally heard back from my contact, and all I was told was that Nyleen's mother is in fact deceased, and that she died in 1994. Details though couldn't be released."

So we have confirmed that she died several years ago. :( I do tend to think the poster on Websleuths was telling the truth about her. I'll try again to get a hold of her and see if she can give us any further info.

I don't know what to say um...The Nyleen Kay Marshall case is probably the one case that has affected me most out of all of the segments and I think its because of Nancy Marshall's comments and the grief and sense of loss she expresses through those comments that make the segment so poignant.

There is very little I can say beyond that except that I think we all identify with so many of the people on the program even though we have not shared their experiences. I can only hope that Nancy's husband Kim as well as Nyleen's brother are doing well and I can't even imagine the sense of loss they have experienced over the years.

Rest In Peace Nancy.

Yowza. That really sucks. I'm glad you heard something back. The sheriff at Jefferson County still hasn't sent me anything.

So sad...

I contacted the Administrator at Websleuths today and asked them if they would ask Nancy Marshall's relative that posted the info to pm or email me since she never picked up the pm. I'll definitely post to this thread any info I found out if I hear from her.

That's terrible news but expected, given the specifics of the Websleuths post.

I am surprised it was that early, '94. That means many news reports for years after that date quoted Nancy Marshall and provided links to her UM statements without mentioning her death.

And UM never updated either. That's a strange aspect, whether to update when someone involved in the segment is killed. It doesn't impact the investigation itself but you would think Lifetime might have done it anyway, especially for a mom who was a major part of the segment.

Good point Awsi. You know if she was killed in Mexico I wonder if any of these media outlets even know she died. Look at all the work we've had to do just to find out. I even found a webpage concerning Nyleen from 2002 that has a picture of and quoted Nancy Marshall. I definitely think if they would have known she died several years earlier they would have mentioned it in the article as sort of a double tragedy. Here's the webpage in case anyone's interested:

http://www.channel3000.com/news/1555573/detail.html

***sigh*** :( I took a deep breath before clicking on this thread hoping I wouldn't read what we all feared.

I don't even know what to say. Such sad circumstances. It really makes you wonder about this crazy world we live in.

We can only hope and pray that Nyleen's brother and father have many supportive family and friends around them to give them the strength to go on with their lives.

Hearing this just makes you shake your head. My heart breaks for these people.

Thank you crystaldawn for keeping in contact with that person to find this information out. We were all hoping this rumor would be false. Why oh why did this have to happen? :(

This is really, truly sad. I was hoping that what was written on websleuths was just some sort of horribly cruel joke.

Just like those letters and phone calls concerning Nyleen may have been (although most likely from her abductor, no one can really know if he actuall had/has her, or if he himself was playing a cruel joke).

That poor family.

Can we really be certain that the mother, Nancy Marshall is dead? That channel 3000 article quotes the mother in a manner as if she were still alive....i.e. "Her parents still hope to find her." Still hope? Parents (with an 'S')?

"I still look for her," her mother Nancy Marshall said. "I always will every time I'm at a resort, an amusement park.

"Now, nearly 20 years since her daughter's disappearance".....


This all seem a strange way to be quoting someone if they died long ago in '94 as claimed here and on websleuths. I find that members of both boards do not seem to discount the possibility of 'hoax' posters, specifically the alleged 'cousin' that claimed this in Websleuths. If you notice, when she was here on SO she alleged that she didn't know which cousin posted that Nancy was dead. What? Can she not pick up a phone and inquire? Give me a break.

Finally, what about these letters the police have that they seemed to put so much stock into. They say that the letters included information that was not available to the public, but I sure would like to know what this supposedly is before relegating myself to believe that the police just didn't drop the ball in this case...in fact they do all the time in these sorts of cases. Look at how JonBenet Ramsey's death was bungled....and massively at that. It is possible someone could've have written to the police and simply had a lucky guess. To be frank, I'm still not convinced that the idea that she simply walked off and later died of exposure wouldn't be possible. It happened to that little boy that was featured alongside Tara Callico (sic?) in that one UM episode.

Also, with so much being made of the fact that the letter writer supposedly had 'privileged information, and also considering so much was made of the fact that the pay-phones he was calling from were uput under police surveillance until the call suddenly 'stopped', has the possibility been discounted that the caller might have had an inside connection? Perhaps it is was someone on the police department staff who simply got a kick out of jerking authorities around with false information....it wouldn't be the first time. Also suspicious is the fact that the caller stopped right when the pay-phones were put under surveillance. I really don't feel like the police did all they could here....and what about applying modern DNA technique to the envelopes / letters?

Social Security Death Index lists no Nancy Marshall dying in 1994.

There is a Nancy Marshall, about 40 years old, dying in 1995, though. Maybe the year is off?

I really have no doubt that Nancy Marshall was murdered in Mexico. I can't imagine that someone would make up that they were a relative and then go on to list a crime so brutal and so specific in its details that took place in another country. I'm guessing a lot of the news outlets don't know about her death or either its been so many years since Nyleen disappeared her mother's death many years ago isn't newsworthy to them. The source that confirmed her death to me was someone who works at Doe Network. They spoke with their contact and all they would say was that she died and the year (yes its possible Necco its a year off). The information that she died in my opinion is accurate.

Yeah, I agrew with Crystaldawn. I'm pretty sure that Nancy Marshall has been deceased for quite some time now. Part of the reason we were never updated probably DOES have to do with the fact that it happened in another country. I'm merely speculating here, but perhaps another reason we didn't hear about it is because it's been so long since she's been abducted that folks presume Nyleen is deceased as well?

I can't imagine that CD's source would make the story up. IF they did, however, words cannot describe how sick that individual would be. I'm not sure if the recent poster knows what's been alleged to have happened to Nancy, but it's GRUESOME and AWFUL and not how I would want anyone to die.

The quote and picture from Nancy in that Channel 3000 article are directly from the Unsolved Segment. The picture is a screen cap. Looks like the author of the article was under the gun and just pulled up archival footage. I think the death listed in 1995 is the Nancy in question.

Thanks Crystaldawn, for the update! I too read that she had died on the websleuth site, and it really made me sick.

I used to feel that Nyleen had just wandered off and her remains are in the woods in Montana, but after reading your article, in which the police said that the letter writer knew things that could not be known by the public, I sense that she was kidnapped. It's just such a random place to be kidnapped... on a mountain in a picnic area??? However, then I think about the Georgia girl who was abducted and killed (can't think of the name off hand) on a hiking trial, and I guess it's possible anywhere.

The whole thing is really sad, and I think Nancy did a great service for her daughter during that UM segment, because her haunting words "I might look happy, but I'm really looking for my child," really struck a note with a lot of us.

I really hope that she is found!!!!

One other thing... I just re-watched the clip, and the thing that has always bothered me is that the guy who came out of the trees was described by two "little girls." I just wonder how reliable that is. I guess I have a 50/50 feeling on this: Either she was abducted by the letter writer, or her skeletal remains are in the woods. A search doesn't always turn up a body, and the letter writer claimed that he was living off of substantial investments. So, a wealthy world travaller happened to be looking to kidnap a child in the mountains of Montana??? I don't know.

One other thing... I just re-watched the clip, and the thing that has always bothered me is that the guy who came out of the trees was described by two "little girls." I just wonder how reliable that is. I guess I have a 50/50 feeling on this: Either she was abducted by the letter writer, or her skeletal remains are in the woods. A search doesn't always turn up a body, and the letter writer claimed that he was living off of substantial investments. So, a wealthy world travaller happened to be looking to kidnap a child in the mountains of Montana??? I don't know.

I watched it again recently also and for the first time I actually wondered if the children's story was reliable. I think the fact that they mentioned such a specific game as "follow the shadow" made me think they were telling the truth. That also sounds like the type of game a child predator would play to lure a child away. I understand your point about this world traveler being in such a secluded place. Its hard to know what the area really looked like but it seems like many people were in the area having a picnic so maybe it wasn't too secluded. Perhaps he went to a picnic area in hopes of luring a child away. It seems in the letter he mentions (which I'm sure is a lie) that he found her wandering near a road very upset and picked her up. Of course he wants to make himself look as noble as possible which we all know is the farthest thing from the truth. I think given the news story about the girl found who was abducted 18 years earlier it gives a little renewed hope that Nyleen could be found one day if she's still alive.

I watched it again recently also and for the first time I actually wondered if the children's story was reliable. I think the fact that they mentioned such a specific game as "follow the shadow" made me think they were telling the truth. That also sounds like the type of game a child predator would play to lure a child away. I understand your point about this world traveler being in such a secluded place. Its hard to know what the area really looked like but it seems like many people were in the area having a picnic so maybe it wasn't too secluded. Perhaps he went to a picnic area in hopes of luring a child away. It seems in the letter he mentions (which I'm sure is a lie) that he found her wandering near a road very upset and picked her up. Of course he wants to make himself look as noble as possible which we all know is the farthest thing from the truth. I think given the news story about the girl found who was abducted 18 years earlier it gives a little renewed hope that Nyleen could be found one day if she's still alive.

Tim Bindner, the suspect in a number of the Bay Area abductions, has repeatedly mentioned in interviews that he has fantasies about discovering missing children--finding them hurt, scared, and alone, and subsequently escorting them to safety. I'm no expert on pedophilia, but that trait seems to be something of a common one amongst some child abductors. Perhaps the letter writer shares it as well.

Interesting points Crystaldawn and MEG86... I think you guys might be on to something, in terms of this guy wanting to be seen as "noble,' etc... I also wonder, as pessimistic as it is, if Nyleen might be dead, and the abductor wrote the letters in hopes of reviving the discussion on the case. I know some psychopaths get off on the attention, or ability to feel that they are avoiding their prosecution.

Regardless, this one continues to haunt, doesn't it?

I really don't put in stock whatsoever into that letter writer. I mean come on, you have a person who just abducted a little girl and is alleging that he's doing inappropriate things with her and goes into detail about what they're doing, his 'substantial investments' etc....all that is a load of baloney. People that kidnap children do not write letters to the police describing the incident complete with information about what they're doing, how they're living, etc. It was a phoney letter plain and simple. Think about it, how many child abductions bear similar facts? We all know what the statistics indicate. I can't help but think that if the police put so much stock into this letter they may have ignored more crucial areas to pursue.

I really don't put in stock whatsoever into that letter writer. I mean come on, you have a person who just abducted a little girl and is alleging that he's doing inappropriate things with her and goes into detail about what they're doing, his 'substantial investments' etc....all that is a load of baloney. People that kidnap children do not write letters to the police describing the incident complete with information about what they're doing, how they're living, etc. It was a phoney letter plain and simple. Think about it, how many child abductions bear similar facts? We all know what the statistics indicate. I can't help but think that if the police put so much stock into this letter they may have ignored more crucial areas to pursue.

I haven't watched the segment in several years, but IIRC, the investigators interviewed mentioned that the letter also provided specific details that were known to the investigators, but not the general public. Or maybe I'm remembering incorrectly, but I would assume that that would be why the police would put any stock in it. And that is why in the large majority of investigations, police do not release all details to the public, so as to separate the viable leads from the public.

Sorry, I just finished reading some things about the night stalker case while these message board were down, and couldn't believe that the mayor of San Francisco at the time (in an attempt to calm the city's citizens) publicly released crucial details about the case that had been kept secret, allowing Ramirez to evade capture longer and commit another attack. But...that's another thread.

Nancy Marshall is listed in Find a Grave. I haven't posted enough to be able to add the link, but she's in Ridgeview Memorial Park in Allen, Texas. Nancy F. Marshall, 1953-1995. So sad. Cases like Jaycee Dugard make you wonder if Nyleen is still out there somewhere.

Jennifer, thanks for that info. Here's the link.

http://www.findagrave.com/cgi-bin/fg.cgi?page=gr&GSln=marshall&GSfn=nancy&GSiman=1&GScid=156826&GRid=64824182&

Looks like someone added a photo of her from um.

Looks like someone added a photo of her from um.

Screen shots from her UM interview seem to be the only photos that have ever been released of her. Any news segments on the forbidden site that feature anniversaries of Nyleen's abduction or the brief mentions of Nancy's murder in Mexico always feature the shots from her UM interview.

It's too bad there's never been any other pictures posted online, moments where there was actually some happiness in her life. That would seem especially more suited for her Find a Grave photo.

It is so sad that Nancy never gave up hope. Then is murdered. It takes a sick individual to do that.

Nancy's Find a Grave profile has been updated to include a REAL photo of her, as well as her birth and death. The photo itself was from when she was 16 years old. (July 24 sounds eerily familiar to June 25.)

http://www.findagrave.com/cgi-bin/fg.cgi?page=gr&GRid=64824182

It's too bad there's never been any other pictures posted online, moments where there was actually some happiness in her life. That would seem especially more suited for her Find a Grave photo.

Not true. I know of one family member who has posted several photos of Nancy when she was happy. The photo on her Find a Grave page was among one of them. They're just tricky to find. What I don't get is that the journalist couldn't bother to get information from the Jefferson County Sheriff's Office and Ryan's United to confirm Nancy's death. Instead, we're treated to "it was reported online".

Do we ever find out how she was in Mexico, and ended up murdered?

It's been revealed by the people who told us about Nancy's death. Kim was to be transferred to Mexico and Nancy went looking for a house there.

Was anyone ever arrested and/or charged with murdering Nancy?

As far as I'm concerned, no. They ruled it a suicide, probably because it happened in Mexico City, where cops are notorious for turning a blind eye to murder. The way she was murdered possibly convinced them that the Cartel did it, which makes them not want to touch this case even more.

As far as I'm concerned, no. They ruled it a suicide, probably because it happened in Mexico City, where cops are notorious for turning a blind eye to murder. The way she was murdered possibly convinced them that the Cartel did it, which makes them not want to touch this case even more.

Weren't her hands cut off?

Yeah. Suicide.

Weren't her hands cut off?

Yeah. Suicide.

We so far know she was raped, stabbed, bruised, robbed, and hanging by a man's belt from a ceiling fan. That's the Mexico City police for you, a bunch of incompetent pigs.

I haven't pointed this out, but a few days ago I just noticed her middle and maiden name was included, as well as her place of birth.

We so far know she was raped, stabbed, bruised, robbed, and hanging by a man's belt from a ceiling fan. That's the Mexico City police for you, a bunch of incompetent pigs.

I haven't pointed this out, but a few days ago I just noticed her middle and maiden name was included, as well as her place of birth.

How do you know all of this?

Aside from this, I was the one who added the screen shot of Nancy, as it was the only photo of her at the time, but I later removed it after a better photo of her was added. Someone else added the other photo as well as her full name and dates and place of birth and death.

How do you know all of this?

Here's the quote from one of Nyleen's cousins. This post was from way back in 2006 in Websleuth.

I thought some of you might find this interesting. Nyleen was profiled on Unsolved Mysteries, if some of you saw that episode, you would have seen her mother. She was murdered in mexico while looking for a house for her family to move into as her husband Kim was being transferred. She was found raped, with her hands bound behind her back, hung with a mans belt, all jewelery and valuables missing, and the mexican police labeled it a suicide and refused us jurisdiction to investigate. Voila! A whole new unsolved mystery for you. Poor Kim, how much can the man take?

Granted, there was nothing said about her being hung from a ceiling fan, being stabbed or bruised. I'm not sure if I heard this from other places or from my talks with one of Nyleen's family members.

I know another one of Nyleen's cousin posted more info on Nancy's death on another forum that's no longer there.

And hasn't the eye of suspicion now shifted to Kim Marshall?

And hasn't the eye of suspicion now shifted to Kim Marshall?

Yeah. Granted, Jefferson County Sheriff's Office has A LOT of suspects. I think some of them were from the HAM radio picnic.

It begs the question: what were those adults doing at the time Nyleen went missing? They all must've had alibi's to at the very least be considered people of interest. Did a few leave for a moment to go run some errands?

Yeah. Granted, Jefferson County Sheriff's Office has A LOT of suspects.

...are you being sarcastic? Or do you have information that I don't know that I wish you'd share? :)

...are you being sarcastic? Or do you have information that I don't know that I wish you'd share? :)

Nope. Although I'm careful with what I share. I may make a website though.

Nope. Although I'm careful with what I share. I may make a website though.

You should! I'm definitely interested! As I think others would be as well. This case is still very much alive in my corner of Montana...

Jennifer, thanks for that info. Here's the link.

http://www.findagrave.com/cgi-bin/fg.cgi?page=gr&GSln=marshall&GSfn=nancy&GSiman=1&GScid=156826&GRid=64824182&


You can see in that teenaged photo of Nancy how much her and Nyleen resembled each other.

I find it hard to believe that Nancy could have just been randomly brutally murdered in the fashion that she was without Kim Marshall or someone else close to Nancy being "in" on the crime. What are the odds that this would happen to someone, in that brutal way, if the perp was just some random scumbag with no connection to anyone that Nancy knew?

You can see in that teenaged photo of Nancy how much her and Nyleen resembled each other.

I find it hard to believe that Nancy could have just been randomly brutally murdered in the fashion that she was without Kim Marshall or someone else close to Nancy being "in" on the crime. What are the odds that this would happen to someone, in that brutal way, if the perp was just some random scumbag with no connection to anyone that Nancy knew?

She either had the worst luck of anyone on this planet, or someone she knew was involved. I'm with you.

New Nyleen Kay Marshall article is now out: http://www.ktvh.com/2017/02/montanas-missing-nyleen-marshall-2

-A LITTLE more detail on the t-shirt Nyleen wore.
-An interview with former Sheriff Tim Campbell (he was interviewed on Unsolved Mysteries).
-An interview with one of the search-and-resuce workers that bring what appears to be evidence an abduction took place.
-Old newspaper articles that are hard or impossible to find online give us a "new" photo of Nyleen.
-We barely get to see what Kim looks like.

CrystalDawn got a shout out on "The Disappearance of Nyleen Kay Marshall | DARK MATTERS #20" by Cayleigh Elise on YT (won't link it, in case it's not allowed). Starts around the 4:00 mark :)

That's great! Thanks for the heads up. I really enjoy that podcast I'll have to check it out.

Here's the theory in question.

When I lived in Montana, an article appeared in the Helena Independent Record newspaper (approx. 1997) that a young woman had entered an out of state hospital to give birth. She didn't seem to know much about her personal history but thought perhaps her mother's name was Nyleen. They were wondering if this might have been Nyleen herself. The newspaper never confirmed or disclaimed whether it could have been Nyleen or not.

So it's about a young woman who thinks her mother could be Nyleen. It was no later than 1997, where Nyleen would've been 18 or 19. Would an 18 or 19 year old be old enough to be the mother of a young woman giving birth?

Here's the theory in question.



So it's about a young woman who thinks her mother could be Nyleen. It was no later than 1997, where Nyleen would've been 18 or 19. Would an 18 or 19 year old be old enough to be the mother of a young woman giving birth?

I'm jaded, because I work in a profession where I see young mothers all the live long day.

The answer to your question is yes. If the young mother in question had been 13 or 14, I still would have answered yes.

I'm jaded, because I work in a profession where I see young mothers all the live long day.

The answer to your question is yes. If the young mother in question had been 13 or 14, I still would have answered yes.

If the young mother in question were 14, she would've been born in 1983. That'd be the same time Nyleen went missing. With sickos in this world, anything is possible. Since the young mother would've been a minor at time, wouldn't law enforcements handle her differently (figure out where she's from)? Either way, I think they would've extracted DNA from the young mother and would've done some DNA testing by now.

If the young mother in question were 14, she would've been born in 1983. That'd be the same time Nyleen went missing. With sickos in this world, anything is possible. Since the young mother would've been a minor at time, wouldn't law enforcements handle her differently (figure out where she's from)? Either way, I think they would've extracted DNA from the young mother and would've done some DNA testing by now.

Maybe, maybe not.

Even today, with all the education officers and medical professionals recieve, cases still slip through the cracks. If the people the young mother was with had a convincing story, the doctors may not have felt the need to call CPS and/or law enforcement.

I hate to admit it, but doctors are people, too. I know several who have been suckered by a good story.

I was browsing through Newspaper.com and found what looks like the news article crystaldawn was talking about. Since I'm not a member, I could barely read it. I barely see a mention of the FBI doing some sort of testing. Anyways, the news article was from June 29th, 1998. It's the first result

https://www.newspapers.com/search/#query=nyleen&lnd=1&p_place=MT

EDIT:

I didn't realize that I could read just 6 other bits until now. It's about whether or not a 19 year old girl could be Nyleen.

Things to note: it mentions Nancy being deceased, it vaguely mentions her biological father, and it mentions her being adopted by Nancy's second husband.

EDIT 2:

The woman's blood was drawn. So this possible lead has been checked out and she was ruled out as a possible match.