Ok, I found the article that Trishalla referenced to. I had always maintained that if ERIC MONTE, THE CREATOR was noted as saying GOOD TIMES WAS NOT A SPIN-OFF, then I would throw in the towel and admit I was wrong....WELL GUESS WHAT???? I AM WRONG....HERE IS THE PROOF:

http://www.jimiizrael.com/ji/2004/12/08/09.44.44/

SOLOMON: KING OF TV RESEARCH!!! :snob:

Ok, I found the article that Trishalla referenced to. I had always maintained that if ERIC MONTE, THE CREATOR was noted as saying GOOD TIMES WAS NOT A SPIN-OFF, then I would throw in the towel and admit I was wrong....WELL GUESS WHAT???? I AM WRONG....HERE IS THE PROOF:

http://www.jimiizrael.com/ji/2004/12/08/09.44.44/

SOLOMON: KING OF TV RESEARCH!!! :snob:



You say the nicest things-lol

Ok, I found the article that Trishalla referenced to. I had always maintained that if ERIC MONTE, THE CREATOR was noted as saying GOOD TIMES WAS NOT A SPIN-OFF, then I would throw in the towel and admit I was wrong....WELL GUESS WHAT???? I AM WRONG....HERE IS THE PROOF:

http://www.jimiizrael.com/ji/2004/12/08/09.44.44/

SOLOMON: KING OF TV RESEARCH!!! :snob:
jimi says:
Did you write Ester Rolles' Florida character on Maude, who was later spun off?

Eric says:
No. I created "Good Times," before "Maude" ever aired. When Ester was told she was going to get her own show she wanted the characters name that she had on "Maude."

I can only speak for myself, but this seals the deal for me.

Good Times is not a spin-off of Maude!!

Congratulations Solomon! :dance:

Good work Irene!

jimi says:
Did you write Ester Rolles' Florida character on Maude, who was later spun off?

Eric says:
No. I created "Good Times," before "Maude" ever aired. When Ester was told she was going to get her own show she wanted the characters name that she had on "Maude."
I can only speak for myself, but this seals the deal for me.

Good Times is not a spin-off of Maude!!

Congratulations Solomon! :dance:

Good work Irene!
Actually, Trishalla deserves the credit. But how this article she put before was never saved or brought forth before, I will never know. This IS GOLD!!!!
This is what I was researching for throughout the internet...i researched and researched and it was when Brian stated on the other post abt Trishalla having posted an article of ERIC MONTE SAYING IT WASN'T A SPIN-OFF, IT WAS THEN I HAD TO FIND IT!:wave:

I wonder why Esther wanted the same name, Florida Evans, on Good Times.

I wonder why Esther wanted the same name, Florida Evans, on Good Times.
*irene smells a new debate coming on...*:lol:

I will stand true to MY beliefs that GT was a spinoff of Maude :)

Wow. The greatest debate in SO history over....:faint: :lol:

I will stand true to MY beliefs that GT was a spinoff of Maude :)


Well you will be the only one ON THIS BOARD=lol

Now the truth is known. Good going Solomon.

Like I said, Solomon and Trishalla really did their homework on this debate. They came out with guns blazing. With all that said, I still contest that GT was a spinoff. Florida Evans is still Florida Evans. The sitcom was not originally supposed to be a spinoff, but was made in to one.

Well you will be the only one ON THIS BOARD=lol


And you know that's fine with me. I tend not to run with groups I stand own my on.

And you know that's fine with me. I tend not to run with groups I stand own my on.


Well you are just being silly now because the PROOF has been FOUND!!!!!!!!!!-LOL

Well you are just being silly now because the PROOF has been FOUND!!!!!!!!!!-LOL


She's not on her own Solomon.

She's not on her own Solomon.



Aww No Brian, not you too?-lol I thought you were with me on this?-lol

Aww No Brian, not you too?-lol I thought you were with me on this?-lol


I gave you your props because you are the best at researching things that you claim, but I still can't get over the name Florida Evans and the fact she was a former maid on Good Times.

I gave you your props because you are the best at researching things that you claim, but I still can't get over the name Florida Evans and the fact she was a former maid on Good Times.


And the fact that John played her husband on Maude as well as GT.

And the fact that John played her husband on Maude as well as GT.

exactly, that can't be ignored.

This was also something that cant be IGNORED-She was with Henry on Maude and James on Good Times

This was also something that cant be IGNORED-She was with Henry on Maude and James on Good Times


What they can't make character changes? Just like the show was suppose to be called "The Black Family" and yet they changed it to "Good Times"

Also Monte said that Lear stole his idea for Good Times. So with that I would say that GT was a spin off. Plus Monte is a very upset man at this point.

What they can't make character changes? Just like the show was suppose to be called "The Black Family" and yet they changed it to "Good Times"

Also Monte said that Lear stole his idea for Good Times. So with that I would say that GT was a spin off. Plus Monte is a very upset man at this point.



I compared Henry and James and they look like two different people-lol

I compared Henry and James and they look like two different people-lol


Solomon, you have really lost it! John Amos played both characters. :lol:

This was also something that cant be IGNORED-She was with Henry on Maude and James on Good Times


Henry Evans was also used in GT, thanks for reminding me.

Henry Evans was also used in GT, thanks for reminding me.


I believe it was JAMES Evans

Solomon, you have really lost it! John Amos played both characters. :lol:


I know that but they are two diifferent characters to me when I watch Maude.

I believe it was JAMES Evans


I'm talking about the NAME Henry Evans.

I believe it was JAMES Evans


Yeah but they used the name Henry on GT. And you dismissed my whole post about Norm stealing GT's idea from Eric and Mike and he turned the show into his own, which makes it a spin off. :) ;)

Yeah but they used the name Henry on GT. And you dismissed my whole post about Norm stealing GT's idea from Eric and Mike and he turned the show into his own, which makes it a spin off. :) ;)

:yeahthat

I'm talking about the NAME Henry Evans.


Good to know that we're still on the same side Brian lol

Good to know that we're still on the same side Brian lol


Brian and Brieannas
VS
Solomon, Irene, Janice, Sonny, Trishalla,


LOL

Brian and Brieannas
VS
Solomon, Irene, Janice, Sonny, Trishalla,


LOL
are Brian and Brieannas the same person?????:eek: :eek: :eek: is this you Janice Johnson??????:crazy:

are Brian and Brieannas the same person?????:eek: :eek: :eek: is this you Janice Johnson??????:crazy:

Yeah, I think Not, I actually have a life outside SO unlike that other girl.

Brian and Brieannas
VS
Solomon, Irene, Janice, Sonny, Trishalla,


LOL


And your point would be??

Brian and Brieannas
VS
Solomon, Irene, Janice, Sonny, Trishalla,


LOL


So what? I remember a time when it was Solomon Vs. Sitcoms Online. It didn't stop you from believing that lie that it wasn't a spinoff. LOL

So what? I remember a time when it was Solomon Vs. Sitcoms Online. It didn't stop you from believing that lie that it wasn't a spinoff. LOL

LOL

Good to know that we're still on the same side Brian lol

Till the bitter end! :lol:

And your point would be??


My point is 2 against 5

Till the bitter end! :lol:


Awww, a man after my heart LOL

My point is 2 against 5


HA! Oh yeah good point

My point is 2 against 5


I think we still have ThomasE on our side.

Thomas and Brie, did yall ever take a look at this evidence supporting Good Times not being a Spinoff? LOL

jimi says:
Did you write Ester Rolles' Florida character on Maude, who was later spun off?

Eric says:
No. I created "Good Times," before "Maude" ever aired. When Ester was told she was going to get her own show she wanted the characters name that she had on "Maude."

I can only speak for myself, but this seals the deal for me.

Good Times is not a spin-off of Maude!!

Congratulations Solomon! :dance:

Good work Irene!
Sounds about right to me too.

Thomas and Brie, did yall ever take a look at this evidence supporting Good Times not being a Spinoff? LOL

I read it twice!!! In 2006 and recently. It is a spinoff. In the traditional sense of storyline and history it did not spinoff in that sense but with utilization of characters and character deriving, it holds that strong spinoff trace. I know you choose to ignore Norman Lear the developer, Esther Rolle and Bea Arthur but that is your opinion and rightfully so but we brought the Norman Lear Video this site as well. I'd totally buy if the Evans family (as we know with the same actors) did not derive from Maude if they were completely different characters and actor but they did spinoff through Norman Lear!!! There is no debating that. The proof? Watching them onscreen and there you go.

I don't think you'll be able to convince me or anyone. The spinoff element was used the moment Esther Rolle wanted to be Florida Evans on Good Times and it was granted.

What they can't make character changes? Just like the show was suppose to be called "The Black Family" and yet they changed it to "Good Times"

Also Monte said that Lear stole his idea for Good Times. So with that I would say that GT was a spin off. Plus Monte is a very upset man at this point.


Thank you, Jesus! That is so spot on!!! :clap :clap :clap

jimi says:
Did you write Ester Rolles' Florida character on Maude, who was later spun off?

Eric says:
No. I created "Good Times," before "Maude" ever aired. When Ester was told she was going to get her own show she wanted the characters name that she had on "Maude."

I can only speak for myself, but this seals the deal for me.

Good Times is not a spin-off of Maude!!

Congratulations Solomon! :dance:

Good work Irene!
This right here ends the debate. If Good Times was created BEFORE Maude, how could it possibly be a spinoff of Maude? It's impossible. So what if Ester Rolle was called "Florida" in both shows. That would be like saying that "Who's the Boss" is a spinoff of "Taxi" just because Tony Danza's character was named "Tony" in both shows. :crazy:

This right here ends the debate. If Good Times was created BEFORE Maude, how could it possibly be a spinoff of Maude? It's impossible. So what if Ester Rolle was called "Florida" in both shows. That would be like saying that "Who's the Boss" is a spinoff of "Taxi" just because Tony Danza's character was named "Tony" in both shows. :crazy:


Those arguments are good but there are holes and I will tell you why:

Re: Good before Maude. The show Good Times was a project that hadn't aired nor began production. It was an idea on paper that was later cottailed by two characters on another Norman Lear show.

Source backup: Knots Landing a show about several middle class couple was an idea on paper that was conceived in 1977. It was a good project but the CBS Execs wanted something more glitzy so David Jacobs and Michael Fillerman came up with Dallas (1978). With the success of Dallas, the CBS Execs decided that they wanted to do Knots Landing (1979). They also decided that they wanted to put some Dallas characters into the show and get the show started.

Empty Nest, a Golden Girls Spinoff although the lead characters who did the pilot in a Golden Girls episode did not crossover to the series. Male character was a doctor with a wife. When the show went to series, the female character (Rita Moreno) was dropped and the names were completely changed although he was still a doctor. This was still branded a Spinoff.

Good Times was brought to light but then Esther Rolle was being prepped for the series and then it was agreed that she and John Amos could continue as the Evans Family on Good Times.

With me working in TV, I can tell you now that there are other shows that were created before a so-called parent show. That's nothing new at all...its almost normal. LOL.

Regarding the name: Tony was Tony in different shows but he was a "Banta" on "Taxi", a "Micelli" on "Who's the Boss" and a "Ganetti" on Hudson Street". Florida Evans was "Florida Evans" on both shows with three kids on both shows and although the history was changed, it was acknowledged that she was a maid (past or present) in both shows.

There was some elements from Good Times that were still traced from "Maude". With that being said, the Eric Monte proof does not declare that the show is not a spinoff at all. Norman Lear took the idea and turned it into a spinoff with the Evans characters from Maude. Besides, Norman Lear (the producer, not the online member. LOL) says it himself.

Those arguments are good but there are holes and I will tell you why:

Re: Good before Maude. The show Good Times was a project that hadn't aired nor began production. It was an idea on paper that was later cottailed by two characters on another Norman Lear show.

Source backup: Knots Landing a show about several middle class couple was an idea on paper that was conceived in 1977. It was a good project but the CBS Execs wanted something more glitzy so David Jacobs and Michael Fillerman came up with Dallas (1978). With the success of Dallas, the CBS Execs decided that they wanted to do Knots Landing (1979). They also decided that they wanted to put some Dallas characters into the show and get the show started.

Empty Nest, a Golden Girls Spinoff although the lead characters who did the pilot in a Golden Girls episode did not crossover to the series. Male character was a doctor with a wife. When the show went to series, the female character (Rita Moreno) was dropped and the names were completely changed although he was still a doctor. This was still branded a Spinoff.

Good Times was brought to light but then Esther Rolle was being prepped for the series and then it was agreed that she and John Amos could continue as the Evans Family on Good Times.

With me working in TV, I can tell you now that there are other shows that were created before a so-called parent show. That's nothing new at all...its almost normal. LOL.

Regarding the name: Tony was Tony in different shows but he was a "Banta" on "Taxi", a "Micelli" on "Who's the Boss" and a "Ganetti" on Hudson Street". Florida Evans was "Florida Evans" on both shows with three kids on both shows and although the history was changed, it was acknowledged that she was a maid (past or present) in both shows.

There was some elements from Good Times that were still traced from "Maude". With that being said, the Eric Monte proof does not declare that the show is not a spinoff at all. Norman Lear took the idea and turned it into a spinoff with the Evans characters from Maude. Besides, Norman Lear (the producer, not the online member. LOL) says it himself.



Norman Lear took the idea and turned it into a Norman Lear comedy

Norman Lear took the idea and turned it into a Norman Lear comedy


Of course he did. I've been saying that for a long time.;)

Of course he did. I've been saying that for a long time.;)


Yup, all the shows below are Norman Lear comedies not spinoffs

One day at a time
Good times
sanford and son

Don't be trying sandwich "Good Times" in that list. LOL. Its still a spinoff. I will never be convinced to think otherwise based on the proof that stares right in the face. LOL.

Yup, all the shows below are Norman Lear comedies not spinoffs

One day at a time
Good times
sanford and son


That is not what you said on Nov 07th 2012. You said it was a "Fractured Spinoff". So, the debate was over a long long time ago. Tee Hee. ;)

That is not what you said on Nov 07th 2012. You said it was a "Fractured Spinoff". So, the debate was over a long long time ago. Tee Hee. ;)


Too many fractures to have a link to Maude:lol: :lol: :lol:

Too many fractures to have a link to Maude:lol: :lol: :lol:



Hey, you already said it. It really does not matter anymore. You keep going by technicality and its already been said that location and history can be altered. I have provided examples of it with different shows as well. The voting poll confirmed it and your confession really sweetened the deal. Its been over. You see, that is your POV as a viewer who feels cheated by lack of consistent detail. The history of a character can be reworked. BTW, I have the video with Norman Lear explaining the morphing of Good Times being a spinoff (SURPRISE!!!) and your confession from 11/07/12 (the day you caved in :lol: ).

Hey, you already said it. It really does not matter anymore. You keep going by technicality and its already been said that location and history can be altered. I have provided examples of it with different shows as well. The voting poll confirmed it and your confession really sweetened the deal. Its been over. You see, that is your POV as a viewer who feels cheated by lack of consistent detail. The history of a character can be reworked. BTW, I have the video with Norman Lear explaining the morphing of Good Times being a spinoff (SURPRISE!!!) and your confession from 11/07/12 (the day you caved in :lol: ).


I bet you if Norman Lear talked to me it wouldn't be a spinoff anymore LOL

I bet you if Norman Lear talked to me it wouldn't be a spinoff anymore LOL


You just admitted that it was again it was a spinoff. :lol: I think Norman Lear knew exactly what he was doing. It was him developing the show with Esther Rolle that counted.

That's two times you've admitted.