So that this is clear-

As many of you know, we at Sitcoms try to work things out- as best we can
As traders, as moderators.
We have the system set up in a sort of check and balance system for that very fact.
There is not One moderator, there are several - and they don't modeartor many boards, but usually one specific to allow more attention to certain areas.

And when a user comes into question, we try to research, investigate nad aquire whatever information we can.

From time to time, things don't work out- and Bad Trader feedback is given, at times, Traders are added to a list- to make new users aware of previous issues that have not been resolved.
And sometimes, traders can work things out, and repair their reputation.
Sometimes not. A lot of it comes down to choices.

A few weeks ago, a user was left negative feedback by a handful of members.
The account was Sheri220
And I personally, contacted her both by phone and email to try to resolve things.
Due to outstnading negative feedback, even in the light of a few good traders, with postiive feedback -the account was banned temporarily, with her having the understanding issues needed to be resolved- and concluded.

Now, when a user is banned
It is meant from this site- and this means the USER is banned.
Not the user name. Not that email, that USER

It has come to my attention, that her friendship with another user online here, under the name of CoachJones, was used to gain her access to the site-
Not only for trades, but as well sales were involved.
Another thorough investigation was done - and at the end ofit- led to me simply calling and asking- and at first the claim was denied, but after I offered some points of proof, she then recanted admitting she lied, and admitting the choice.
This, of course is insubordination.

So just in case there is any confusion.
Just in case for some reason, something that is to me simple- is not so simple I am stating this

When you , or another is banned if it has come to that-
YOU, yourself are banned.
This does not mean, go get another email
Another user name.
This does not mean, please go get yourself a new account and come back on under our noses.
This does not mean, find your friends and ask them to add you, or allow you access to their account so that you can go back to what you were going originally.
And should this behaviour be investigated and proven, you not only secure your banning, but risk your "friends" account, and more damage to your reputation and character.

I am a moderator, not a babysitter- and cases like this simply annoy me. And quite honestly waste my time.

If for whatever reason, your behaviour has gotten you to the point we have no alternative but to suspend or ban you- this decision is to be respected.
You don't have to change your ways, you can go along and do what you want on another site.
But there is ONE owner here, and when his decision is made, if you disagree with the decision the way to handle it, is to contact him and debate it, discuss it, and eventually live with it.

Using people for access, setting up shill accounts- only re-affirms the original decision was the right one.

Let me get this straight,
sheri220 gets bashed & trashed for weeks but somehow still mangaes to makes sales on this site??

What exactly is she giving away with here dvd's?
I want to know what her secret is.


Joker

Let me get this straight,
sheri220 gets bashed & trashed for weeks but somehow still mangaes to makes sales on this site??

What exactly is she giving away with here dvd's?
I want to know what her secret is.


Joker

Personally to add one other thing- I don't even know why this was an issue.
When the final decision was made, Sheri220 told me herself, she was FINE with not being online here or associated with Sitcoms-
She told me she was relieved and had no problem with it.
Early on during one of the threads, she even stated she wanted to delete her account- and get away from trading and selling

So why she said all that- and then used another person to stay in contact with traders or sales contacts, goes against everything she said previously

Then again after all that was said, Honesty wasn't her best policy apparently.

Anyhow, my post still comes down to this.

If your banned, it is YOU. If you disgaree with that choice handle it like an adult and contact me, another moderator, the owner and discuss it.
Don't sneak around like a 14 year old having his first beer.
Your only insulting your own character, and your own reputation.

i am at a loss here

i have never dealt with coachjones before--- BUT i have heard he was a solid good guy, who has just shot his reputation and most likely his account on this site, for nothing! BUT i guess he got talked into it somehow.......

what i dont understand is this---- IF A BANNED TRADER on the BAD TRADER LIST emailed me and asked me to work as a "BEARD" for them to make some $$$$$$$$$

not for 1 second would i even consider it--- never ever ever ever

its just plain stupid, and apparently in this situation it was painfully obvious

i mean, there ARE other boards in the world besides this one---- if u have been banned and listed as a bad trader here--- WHY IN THE WORLD would you hang around and stay involved????

i just dont get it, is there some spell cast over people that makes them do stupid things for banned members?

I hope this serves as a warning to others

Because WE ALL KNOW FOR A FACT
that people who are banned

ALWAYSSSSSSSSS try to come back

sue maples, twoonia, turpa, etc

THEY JUST CANT LET GO and move on, so they come back with fake names, fake emails, and now I guess there is a new twist

so I honestly HOPE that this teaches others here

NO MATTER HOW MUCH YOU MIGHT LIKE A BAD TRADER or a BANNED MEMBER, lying, deceiving and sneaking around for them, is NOT the way to help them out!

All banned members can appeal the decision directly to TJ and if he says NO, then its his board. He pays the bills, he runs the show and his word is law. There are 1000s of boards out here (look how people like Wolf11 have moved on and started fresh) so if you are told to GO AWAY, then please, just go.... :crybaby:

i am at a loss here

i have never dealt with coachjones before--- BUT i have heard he was a solid good guy, who has just shot his reputation and most likely his account on this site, for nothing! BUT i guess he got talked into it somehow.......

what i dont understand is this---- IF A BANNED TRADER on the BAD TRADER LIST emailed me and asked me to work as a "BEARD" for them to make some $$$$$$$$$

not for 1 second would i even consider it--- never ever ever ever

its just plain stupid, and apparently in this situation it was painfully obvious

i mean, there ARE other boards in the world besides this one---- if u have been banned and listed as a bad trader here--- WHY IN THE WORLD would you hang around and stay involved????

i just dont get it, is there some spell cast over people that makes them do stupid things for banned members?

Agreed. I think I've traded with Coach Jones before (I'm pretty sure, but can't remember for certain) but as you said, Lamont, that tarnishes one's reputation if you help a user continue to trade & sell on a site they've been banned from. :confused: :confused: :confused:

BUTTTTT

it casts a doubt on the person for a long time

and makes people question their integrity and wonder if they are being honest with you or lying to you

i mean, if a person publicly lies to the ENTIRE BOARD and helps bring back a board member who the board has expressed is not welcome with bad trader posts, bad trader lists and banning by the owner, it makes one wonder



that is why the SMART thing would be to be honest and tell anyone who asks you to do that

MY ACCOUNT IS NOT WORTH losing and getting banned over you

just lamonts 2 cents worth

What it comes down to is this- I hold no disrespect for Coach Jones-
Matter of fact, I haven't heard any complaints about him

And if he is such good friends with Sheri he wants to help her out, that is even admirable.

But, the simple fact is he is a user on this site- and there are rules.
As far as I know, he was aware she was banned-therefore by helping her he was going against the rules applied in this case.

Does that make you a horrible person? No not at all.
I tink its great he wants to help a friend out, but not in the cost of making yourself an exception to the rules here.

He doesn't have to agree with the choices that was made to ban her.
He doesn't have to not trade her, or not talk to her.
But allowing her access basically, through him defeats the purpose of banning a user which complicates our situation, and quite simply is unfair to other users.

He is more than able and more than welcome to host her items and help her sales on another board, at his choosing.
But the choice was made here, that her items and trading wasn't allowed- in the VERY least until her other issues were resolved and I know for a fact one is still outstanding.

I hate being the heavyweight here, but what is the point of investigating a situation, dicussing it- and taking perosnal time to come to a conclusion, if the consequence of that conclusion is overturned by a "friend"

Kinda makes rules pointless.

This is the same Sheri who swore she doesn't lie, she never uses anyone and it's all a misunderstanding. It's Loren who was lying and she is the innocent dupe. Yea, and King Kong is really a mouse with a lot of fur.

Harvey

Well it really burns my butt on this one

because, if you want to help someone, great

BUT lying to this board and deceiving the board members here is NOT admirable at all

ALSO its not just giving access to someone, BUT from what I have been told, it is ARRANGING SALES FOR this person, and acting as the middle man

that violates SEVERAL RULES of the board and is really not cool

now the coach and i have no issues and he might or might not be a great guy or great trader

BUT I can say that he knowingly tried to trick this board to help a banned member stay active here and tried to arrange sales for her and tried to keep on selling to people for her and that is just baddddddddd

Were there redeemable coupons included with the dvd's? Some special offer ? What exactly?

I want to here from the BUYERS only.

ive never thought of that!

ha ha

:crazy: :crazy: :crazy:

maybe i should include coupons with my discs

( my wife would have to say NO on that one)

:lol: :lol: :lol:

that there are repercussions on this situation

because if not, then my worry is that more banned members
will find "friends" to allow them to use their accounts and try to get back again

the last thing we need is a bunch of other banned members finding new covers with other members, and lurking and sneaking and infecting the trading post

:mad:

that there are repercussions on this situation

because if not, then my worry is that more banned members
will find "friends" to allow them to use their accounts and try to get back again

the last thing we need is a bunch of other banned members finding new covers with other members, and lurking and sneaking and infecting the trading post

:mad:

Unfortunately for Coach Jones, I have to agree. As Savage said,

"what is the point of investigating a situation, dicussing it- and taking perosnal time to come to a conclusion, if the consequence of that conclusion is overturned by a "friend"

It's unfortunate for him, since he is considered a good trader. But I would think it's only common sense to think it's not a good idea to help a banned trader continue to trade on the site they were banned from.

Scary stuff, just goes to show that you never know who you're dealing with.

Scincerely,

Papasmurf....errr....I mean....Jie3

:lol: :lol: :lol:

dont know him
cant speak to it one way or another

BUT rules are rules
bans are bans
and flagrant and blatant violations are flagrant and blatant violations


JUST BECAUSE u like someone, doesnt mean the rules dont apply

Partially this bothers me- Because as a moderator, and MANY people can attest to this
I do my best to investigate things myself
To not just listen to others opinions, but develope my own.

TO be objective, and try to be unbiased

so this particular situation, I spent, and i mean this, HOURS talking to people.
Getting feedback.
Editing posts
Cell phone hours- personal phone calls
Missed lunch hours, late lunch hours-
Reading forwarded emails-

And basically after all was said and done, this user was banned- knowing that specifically she had obligations that needed to be fulfilled.
And a wek later, not months, not a year, a WEEK later
decided to do what she wanted to do, and make herself the exception to this banning.
She could have emailed or discussed it
She could have argued it, or debated it-
She could have completed her obligations and THEN asked to be reactivated.
But no- decided hmm, I don't liek the rules, so I'll just find a helpful, friendly user- and user their access and their account.
Again making her the exception to a rule, that wasn't just handed out, but deliberated over for a MONTH.

And then to call her, take MORE time, and try to discuss it- She lied to me.
Point blank, I had to express to her the proof I had -and then she recanted.

A fine thank you for taking all that time to be fair and just.
And to treat her with respect along the way, being honest about everything that came in, complaints, feedback and so on.
And to be lied to.

And again I have to wonder, why should anyone ever trust her again?
On her account or any other.
As a trader or a seller.

And I feel bad, at the same time- that there wasn't more I can do- becuase quite honestly- this kind of mentality ruins trust on a board.
Should another user come on now- that lives in Chicago- will they be given a fair chance?
Previous users she traded with, and sold to- if their items are similar will they be looked at skeptically?


As an adult you don't have to agree with the rules-
But there are rules. Pure and simple- and if you can't handle them, and can't accept them you don't find ways around them- you find other places to be.
As an adult that is.

Well, I guess I'm even more flabbergasted that CoachJones (or ANYONE) would agree to let a banned user use their account to circumvent the rules. This isn't rocket science. It sure puts a dent in his character, IMO.

Well since Sheri220 is banned-
And now, CoachJones is banned- discussing anything that relates to them is something I would like to avoid.
As I don't like discussing previous users, since they can not remark, or respond.

But I just recieved a few emails, stating that another user is offering help to Sheri220, with access through their accounts- be it here and/or a selling site.

So let me say this CLEARLY:
Banning people isn't any fun
We don't like doing it, we don't like being the mean people on the block.
But if has come to being banned, there is a reason. More than one usually, and in every case I know of, the user(s) have been contacted multiple times.

The fact is you dont have to like the rules here, but you have to agree to follow them.
And should a user no longer have access, due to choices they have made-
that is the owners choice.
And it is to be respected.

Helping a banned user, gain access - wether it be to trade or sell, is simply disrespectful of the rules we try to enforce-
As well as disrespectful to the time and effort put into the decision in the first place.

I don't view helping a banned user to remain in access, any different then helping someone scam another trader.

There are PLENTY of places to buy - sell - and trade, that should a user have problems with THIS particular sites rules, there are other areas they can be part of honestly.

So PLEASE respect the community, respect the moderators decisions, and respect the sites rules.

the same thing again???
does it never end?????
how in the world do Banned traders on the bad trader list
find these DUPES to do their bidding??

i just do not understand at all

WHY in the world would anyone be so stupid as to get their account canned for an ALLREADY BANNED Member?