Okay. I approached someone by the login here of jayman2230
for a trade. We started working out the deals.

The first thing I noticed is that he is from the UK. Which is fine
depending on the items available.

Just seeing if anyone has ever traded with him.

I did ask for 2 references and received these two as
references

Goodtoyou9966@lycos.com
tylersweet9999@lycos.com

So if anyone has any information I'd appreciate it.

J

Personally, the references look suspicious to me. Is the trader's email a lycos email?

ok dragon bear

whats the guys name and city and state
sounds REALLL fishy to me

2 refernces with almost identical screen names with the same server?

hmm isnt that coincidental :lol:

Ok, this will really make it suspicious! I stopped replying to jayman2230(@lycos.com) because his answers weren't making sense. Shortly after that, I recieved a PM from a new Sitcom account called "jameswhite15@lycos.c". This person wanted my trade list, and when I asked for references, guess who they gave? Goodtoyou9966@lycos.com and tylersweet9999@lycos.com

Ok, if it looks like a duck, quacks like a duck and has feathers like a duck - I think we're safe in calling it a duck...

I think it is time to post his FULL NAME and city and state
:(

I too have been contacted by this person. He has a great list! If there is any question, why not just ask him to send first. If he doesn't send, don't make his DVDs. That's what I will do!
Steph

April4972---- i used to feel the same way

BUT HERES WHY IT MATTERS

1. i did a trade with someone last year---- they emailed me and asked to do trade--- they listed FAKE references and i said U HAVE TO SEND FIRST

well 3 months later THEY DID Send first and i sent back to them AND GUESS WHAT---- they were ACTUALLY a previously banned bad trader---- so the discs they sent to me, were STOLEN from another trader who they stiffed over---- so i felt like crap

i mean i got the 15 discs i was owed, BUT THE PERSON WHO THEY STOLE THEM FROM didnt get a thing, and now i was tangled up in it

2. SUE MAPLES----- we all know what a bad trader she is, I TOLD HER SAME THING last year--- she had to send first--- WELL GUESS WHAT? she sent me a ton of HORRIBLE QUALITY, DEFECTIVE non usable discs---- when i told her they were crap, i got into a big mess where she hassled me, called me a liar and a thief, threatened me etc etc etc

SO MY BELIEF IS, if the person is starting off a trade BY LYING--- NO MATTER WHAT THEY HAVE--- they are a scammer or thief and I WILL NOT get involved with people like that NO MATTER WHAT

i dont want discs stolen from anyone else on the board

my integrity is worth more than a few discs

*** PS this is NOT saying this guy fits this mold, but it is suspicious

That's my belief as well (what Lamont has stated). If they were legit, why would they fake references. Then, in my case, why would they try to trade with me under another account name???

April4972---- i used to feel the same way

BUT HERES WHY IT MATTERS

1. i did a trade with someone last year---- they emailed me and asked to do trade--- they listed FAKE references and i said U HAVE TO SEND FIRST

well 3 months later THEY DID Send first and i sent back to them AND GUESS WHAT---- they were ACTUALLY a previously banned bad trader---- so the discs they sent to me, were STOLEN from another trader who they stiffed over---- so i felt like crap

i mean i got the 15 discs i was owed, BUT THE PERSON WHO THEY STOLE THEM FROM didnt get a thing, and now i was tangled up in it

2. SUE MAPLES----- we all know what a bad trader she is, I TOLD HER SAME THING last year--- she had to send first--- WELL GUESS WHAT? she sent me a ton of HORRIBLE QUALITY, DEFECTIVE non usable discs---- when i told her they were crap, i got into a big mess where she hassled me, called me a liar and a thief, threatened me etc etc etc

SO MY BELIEF IS, if the person is starting off a trade BY LYING--- NO MATTER WHAT THEY HAVE--- they are a scammer or thief and I WILL NOT get involved with people like that NO MATTER WHAT

i dont want discs stolen from anyone else on the board

my integrity is worth more than a few discs
Lamont-
That makes a lot of sense! I didn't think of it that way....but I try to give people the benefit of the doubt, as you know, before I think of them as a scammer. Hopefully this person will end up being a great trader, like I said he has lots of great stuff...

BUT my question is

WHY IN THE WORLD would an honest person and honest trader USES FAKE REFERENCES and MULITPLE Email accounts to contact someone???

there is NO logical reason
UNLESS......

I know the reason for the Multiple Email accounts - after I got tired of dealing with this person (jayman2230), I put them on my ignore list....that's right about the time they created jameswhite15 - to get around my block. Now that names on the list too. Just waiting for the 3rd new name to approach.

I know the reason for the Multiple Email accounts - after I got tired of dealing with this person (jayman2230), I put them on my block list....that's right about the time they created jameswhite15 - to get around my block. Now that names on the list too. Just waiting for the 3rd new name to approach.

That's harsh :p

What happened to "every man's innocent until proven guilty?"


I think the posse's getting ready for another 108649

what's harsh? This is the actual series of events that have led me to NOT trust this person. Would you trust them if they 1) sent you bogus references and 2) used a 2nd Sitcom account to try to get you to trade with them?

Besides, I thought that 2nd thing was against the Sitcom rules. Am I wrong?

you know Joker the sex pistols sang
NO ONE IS INNOCENT

ha ha ha

i dont know the guy at all, no emails, no dealings, no nothing


BUT the mere fact that when he is asked for references
he give 2 email address-- BOTH VERY SIMILAR and BOTH with his same Server
And BOTH are people NONE OF US EVER HEARD of
and the fact that he creates a new email to try to get Padres attention

that alone, makes him look Suspicious as Hell

and there are so many good traders here, why would people waste time on people who start off by being dishonest?

Nothing wrong with being suspicious and cautious - quite another to make assumptions public.

Everything could be taken care of behind the scenes.

i edited my posts slightly as not to assume about this guy

BUT the facts are that he provided false references and is using more than 1 email to contact people, who obviously do NOT want to be contacted by him
that alone, speaks volumes :wave:

Okay. I approached someone by the login here of jayman2230
for a trade. We started working out the deals.

The first thing I noticed is that he is from the UK. Which is fine
depending on the items available.

Just seeing if anyone has ever traded with him.

I did ask for 2 references and received these two as
references

Goodtoyou9966@lycos.com
tylersweet9999@lycos.com

So if anyone has any information I'd appreciate it.

J

Joker, this is why I didn't want to keep this 'behind the scenes'. Dragonbear ask for a trader check, and I responded.

There is always a method to my madness.

As far as outing him. That isn't going to be done at
this point until I get absolute proof that he is a bad
trader. Inuendo even if it's circumstances (multiple e-mails
and questionable references) do not bring me to the point
of posting his private information.

I've contacted a couple of people who I trust and got they're
opinions and I've appreciated all the opinions that were given
here as well. Steph had it right in the fact that I can put
in safeguards if I decide to trade them as well.

thanks Padre for the information. it's been invaluable on whats
been going on. I'll keep people informed who have been involved
from the start via pm's and if it comes to the point that I feel
a bad trader needs to be posted. You'll probably see it here first.

hello everyboydy i have traded with alot of people before first let me tell you what happned


i wanted to trade with padre becasue i have been searching the interest for a long time now and i only found padre to have some shows i wanted i emailed him the first time and he got back to me and then after that he never emailed me again i think the guy is abit paranoid i have nothing against him i have never ripped any one of becasue i am a honest guy if you would let me prove it i can ok i don,t know what hte hell is problem is as for the rest of you i would expect better how can you just judge me as a scammer with no one ever saying i have ripped them off

ok weel then please answer this (WHICH WAS THE MAIN ISSUE that padre, myself and others had)

why, when asked for references, did u supply 2 email addresses, both of which are with YOUR server, both of which are almost identical (and a simple check would reveal if these are just secondary email addresses on your account)

I mean, that is the main reason you do not look good sir

that is like someone asks me for references and i give them my email

which is nmboye@aol.com

and say my references are


NotLamont77@aol.com

and

NotLamont99@aol.com

get my point?

jayman2230, if you're going to 'set the record straight', let's be accurate.

- You PM'd me on this board in regards to a trade.

- You had 0 posts (new to the board).

- Since I didn't know you from Adam, I asked you for references.

- You didn't send me any, but instead said "if your worried, I'll send first"...That wasn't an answer to the reference question. I asked again for references.

- You NEVER gave me any references and sent me PMs several times a day looking to get a copy of my list (how could you know I had stuff you wanted if you didn't have my list?).

- Anyway, I had enough of the back-and-forth and put you on my ignore list.

- You then created a 2nd Sitcom account ('jameswhite15') to get around my PM ignore list and again asked me for my list.

- Playing coy, I asked for references.

- That's when you (under the name 'jameswhite15') sent me the same bogus reference you sent Dragonbear under 'jayman2230'..... And you think I'm paranoid??

I would suggest I have more than enough reasons to be suspicious. I think everyone will agree that something is wrong with your actions to date. My action here is responding to Dragonbear's request for a trader check, which is how this thread got started. I don't have any problem dealing with honest traders, as many on this board will atest to - but you have not been honest from day one on this matter.

To everyone else, I'm not calling this person a scammer, but I am suggesting there is something seriously wrong with a trader who sends bogus references, and uses more than one Sitcom account to try to get a user to trade with them. Savage, isn't this type of activity against the basic Sitcom rules of conduct??

I mis-read your original post.

I did not realize the same references were left for ('jameswhite15')

I thought he gave you the references for the original ('jayman2230)


My bad.

No harm, joker.

But I agree, there's no evidence he's a scammer. But there's more than enough evidence to say he's not honest. To me, that's enough NOT to trade with him (or his aliases).

a few questions

1. to Jayman aka whoever u call yourself today---- why not answer the QUESTIONS that were asked about the fake references and all? that would be easiest way to "clear the air"

2. if someone blocks your PMs and emails, ISNT IT PAINFULLY OBVIOUS they want to be left alone and do NOT want to deal with you?

3. refer to # 1 and # 2, then go back and read the recent bad trader posts about others--- do u see a pattern here?????? it seems that a lot of questionable traders follow these same problems, fake references, emailing and pming when its unwanted, etc

4. to Dragonbear---- why do u do a trader check, if u r not gonna listen to what advice is given??? I mean so far, NOT A SINGLE PERSON has come forward with positive info on this person, NOT 1 SINGLE USER AT ALL, YETTTTT they claim to have been trading for awhile. they supply you with false references and start off the trade with dishonest, they have a history or repeated unwanted contact with other members, they have multiple accounts on this site (against the rules), I mean--- why in the world, would u ask for a trader check, get all this info, AND STILL GIVE THEM "THE BENEFIT OF THE DOUBT" and set up a trade????????

Makes no sense at all to me

Some people need to learn the hard way. There are a few of us on this board that really relish in figuring out whether a person is a scammer or not. We do a pretty good job of it. If you look back at the archives, the day that Wolf joined, there were a few of us that knew what was going to eventually happen. Unfortunatly, some people choose to ignore the warnings. If thier gonna let themselves be taken by scammers, let them. There is nothing we can do or say that will change thier mind.

when u put your neck out here to try to help someone avoid a bad situation

and that person just ignores u


i am sure most of you know that 90% of the people are not willing to speak out against a bad trader or potential scammer--- they dont want the hassle or backlash and dont want to get involved

and so often the other 10% of us have to speak up

and then we speak to deaf ears
:crazy:

I asked for a trader check. Asked whether there was anyone who had done
any trades with this person. Generally the acceptable practice in this board
for someone who has no record and is not listed on the bad traders list.

There was nothing, none at all. noone stepped up and said "hey, I've traded with them and they are bad news. Got messed around by them, etc".

Everything that was said here was on the idea that he had questionable
references. That he gave 2 lycos e-mails and that he tended to be pushy
at times. Annoying habits but not something that automatically makes
someone a bad trader. Otherwise half the people on this board would
be labeled a bad trder just for boorish behavior and multiple e-mails.

Did I listen. Yes. Did I decide what i was going to do. Yes. Here's the fun
part of being free to do what I feel is right. I can weigh what everyone has to say
and still make my own decisions. And if I decide to trade with him. Then
it's my own money, my own time and my own neck on the line. And there
isn't anyone else to blame but me.

You're right, at times people don't always go with just your opinions. But
then there is a 100% guarantee that you're not always right either. Maybe
I get burnt if I decide to trade with them. That's my choice in the matter.
otherwise I might as well just give you my collection and you can decide
who I can trade and who I cannot trade with.

And one last thing. You never really know 100% of the story and
whats going on behind the scenes. There is always a method to
my madness.

it's your turn to climb on the soapbox now. O wait, you brought your own.

a note to many of you here

1. u need to learn, SCAMMERS are 99% of the time NOT GONNA USE THEIR real name or current address---- wolf11, sue maples, twoonia, they ALL have access to OTHER ADDRESSES---- they will use a BROTHER, SISTER, friend, neighbor, po box ---- WHOEVER they can talk into helping out

so often times u wont know 100% WHO exactly u r dealing with

SOOOOOO the best u can do in some cases, is use Common Sense

***** Fact 1, this person has more than 1 user id on SITCOMS which is AGAINST THE RULES and has been reported --- THAT FACT ALONE can get u banned on the trading post

****** Fact 2, this person used his alternate identity to contact padre, EVEN AFTER IT WAS MADE KNOWN and he had BLOCKED his PM's and Emails,

***** Fact 3, this person provided FALSE REFERENCES that are OBVIOUSLY his OWN alternate emails on his OWN ISP # account --- that is NOT "questionable references" that is what we call OUTRIGHT LYING!

and YES of course u r free to and trade with whoever u please

BUTTTTT I can tell u, i have been sucked in to lies like that before

EXAMPLE-- SUE MAPLES, she emailed me with new account, offered to send to me first---- when i found out who she was, SHE HAD A STORY TOO< it was her evil sister in law (WHO JUST HAPPEN TO HAVE SAME ADDRESS< same IP #, Same list, etc) and asked me to give her a chance----- WELLLLL
sue sent first, sent me total crapola, non working discs, horrid quality, and took months to replace and still crap--- then when i didnt pay my own $$$ to send back to her and didnt honor the trade--- she threatened me and bad mouthed me and harassed me and on and on and on

another EXAMPLE--- wolf11, aka curtis bynon, aka psycho guy from crazymax board--- well he sucked me in and a lot of others too---- he sent first once or twice to build trust, then totally screwed me over---- and i spent months tracking him down--- DURING WHICH TIME< he threatened savageamusement with violence, threatened to sue tj, the board, me, joey1727, threatened loren with computer virus, etc etc etc

SO OF COURSE SIR< do as u see fit-----

however, if u get screwed over, u cannot say Lamont didnt warn you

also to JAYMAN..... I would expect an HONEST TRADER with nothing to hide, to explain why he LIED about references and used himself ( BY THE WAY< IF ANYONE WANTS ME TO GIVE A REFERENCE FOR MYSELF< just email me :lol: :lol: )

so when i see someone posting a reply that does NOT answer the questions asked of him......
well.......


:crysoup: :crysoup: :crysoup: :crysoup:

O wait, you brought your own.

You asked for info & got plenty of feedback. No one was rude or unkind. I'm sure everyone here agrees you are free to make your own choice.

Here's the fun part of being free, white and 21..

Oh my, If I can only be as privileged as you.

Thanks RedWhine. Unfortunately at the beginning of this trader check
it was "demanded" of me that I reveal this persons address For all
to see.

Maybe it was never intended to be demanded. But thats how it came off
and whether tone can be discerned or not it still is how it appears to me.

I do not like lynch mob mentality. And there isn't any tools that I don't have
access to that others might that the address or private information would
benefit anyone else. I did message someone in the UK to ask them if they
knew this person. Because I wanted to check in a little bit deeper. And
I got my response. It was polite and to the point and I appreciate
that person as well as Padre for his invaluable help with providing information.

Where I draw my line is when people demand me to do things. Things to me
that serve no purpose but to incite problems and also to make people feel
important. This board is an information source. And an excellent tool if
used in the right hands. But addresses, phone numbers, e-mails etc in
the wrong hands can be used for a much worse action.

I personally don't want my address that I have packages shipped too outted
on a trader check. That's information that unless it's a proven fact that they are a scam artist shouldn't be released to the general public.

Guilty until proven innocent is not a good concept to run on an information
source. Granted if it walks like a duck, talks like a duck it might be a duck.
but it also might be someone who just looks like a duck. Or a penguin with
an identity crisis.

So again, I appreciate the information and the suggestions. But unless someone has absolutely made a deal with this person, then it just becomes
conjecture.

Most of the time when we ask for an address, we're not asking you to give the full address. No one wants that (even though it is very easily obtained) to be published everywhere. All we need is a city usually to link scammers to other identities.

it was not "demanded' that you post his info

HOWEVER--- that info is helpful in figuring out WHO the real person is

for instance if you were to have posted LOUDON, TN, we would ALL KNOW it was sue maples

also

this is NOT a case of guilty until proven innocent at all

the person FLAT OUT LIED, they lied, they lied, they lied
how many times can i say it?

I mean ANY NEW TRADER who starts off by commiting 3 strikes, is bad news in my book

STRIKE 1, Lying about references--- unacceptable and NO reason at all for a legit trader to do so

STRIKE 2, bothering padre, when he was ALLREADY let known to go away and was blocked

STRIKE 3, using multiple accounts on this site--- which has been reported to the moderators

this person is not being Lynched


HE DID ALL OF THESE THINGS HIMSELF---- noone forced him to make up lies, no one forced him to harass padre, no one forced him to sign up a 2nd fake account on this site----- HIS actions have proven that he is guilty---- not my words, or padres words, or jokers words

Is this not 100% obvious to everyone who reads this thread? or at least everyone but 1?

I don't like the lynch mob mentality either. Which is why the threads here last week on Wolf/Curtis made me sick to my stomach. I'm not standing up for Wolf/Curtis and would agree he must be a scammer, since so many who are considered good traders here had only bad things to say about him. But it appeared so many people relished the idea of going over to the other board & hanging him there. I don't disagree with trying to warn others, but it was the flavor of the whole thread that sickened me...definitely lynch mob mentality, IMO.

But in this thread, there were enough suspicions raised to post more info - as jasimon said, not a full address but a city/state. And this was in response to a trader check posted by you.

im sorry that bothered u so much

HOWEVER, it was the ONLY way to get wolf11 to send what he owed anyone

KEEP IN MIND, this is a guy who threatened to "SLICE THE HEAD OFF OF" savageamusement,
a guy who called me, joey1727, loren, cartoondvds, tj, etc etc EVERY FILTHY name in the book
threatened to sue TJ and shut down this board
threatened to send computer viruses to loren
etc etc etc

A real NUTJOB to say the least- who had ignored and lied to and ripped off over 200 discs for a year, and the ONLY way to get resolution was to go to him, at his new home away from home
and guess what, NOW he has complaints over there too from people he ripped off, they just didnt want to go first in complaining

i have no sympathy for scoundrels like that, they need to be lynched (not literally of course, but lynched as far as trading goes)

as for jayman, i think the fact that he has NOT defended his actions of given any facts to the contrary speaks louder than anything i can say

You asked for info & got plenty of feedback. No one was rude or unkind. I'm sure everyone here agrees you are free to make your own choice.

I know what you mean. Years and years ago some of my friends told me "don't go out with this girl as all she wants to do is grab you and jump in bed" Did I listen? No I had to find out for myself. Thank God, I had friends who knew what they were talking about.

Harvey with no regrets

A lot of good points made here.


I am going to try to look at both sides

Jayman, no other evidence has come to me that you are a bad OR good trader.
I don't have ONE person that has told me they traded with you.

I find your refrences phoney.
I don't believe, that you asked two people to write Dragonbear and give yo a refrence and coincedentally both have similar titles, BOTH at LYCOS, and Noth write within the same 7 minutes of you, and 3 minutes of each other
Call me Skeptical.

So while there is no proof you are a bad trader, as of today's date, no other user has stepped up and said you traded them.
Which leaves you as "cautionable" to me.
Pure and simple

I would trade you, if you sent first.

However, since you logged on to my forum, asking to buy all over the place and this is a trading site- I have my eyebrows twitching anyhow-
When basically a stranger pops in, asking to buy, with no history- a lot of people are suspicious.
Its the nature of the beast on this forum

-
SO that's it to me
I don't know you, you don't have a history and I believe you made up the refrences.
Maybe to put people at ease, maybe to trade faster- maybe you felt cmpelled or intimidated.
Whatever the reason.
I don't label you as a bad trader - Just someone who would have to prove themselves.
Which everyone does, in the beginning, let's be honest


-
This has dredged on- and turned into a huge thing, when it really might not be.

If you post a trader check and people give feedback, it is slightly rude to ignore the feedback- or argue the feedback

Many of us have been burned here- Many of us carry scars from previous bad trades, bad sales, bad deals.

So let's use that knowledge to our gain instead of gathering torches and hunting the castles walls.

I would like to know the truth behind the refrences- I direct this as an honest open question to Jayman
And I would like to hear FROM you why you have multiple accounts otherwise both will need to be removed.

As far as trading him.

If your nervous, let him send first- he has offered already
And if he doesn't wish to send first, Don't trade.
If you have to allow compensation, if this is out of country trade, use Paypal and make conditions-Such as calling it "service" not materials, so it is no applicable for a refund.

Either way the case has been set, the discussion has been made.
If he is willing to prove himself- let him.
Every trader has to in the begining- You did, and I did, and Dragon did, and ...well Okay Maybe not Lilhave- cuz he's just special

The point is, sometime shaving NO record is just as hard on a user as having a BAD record.
Somebody has to go first eventually.

lol.. i dunno how it was back in those years. but this day and age.. if your friends are telling you all the woman wants to do is jump in bed. thats 90% of man's dreams come true. lol. now all she wants is your money is another.

I know what you mean. Years and years ago some of my friends told me "don't go out with this girl as all she wants to do is grab you and jump in bed" Did I listen? No I had to find out for myself. Thank God, I had friends who knew what they were talking about.

Harvey with no regrets

I thought that's what you were supposed to do back then in the garden...populate the Earth & all that...???? :lol: (I love hanging out with people older than I am (although they are quickly dying off)...makes me feel so young.)

I thought that's what you were supposed to do back then in the garden...populate the Earth & all that...???? :lol: (I love hanging out with people older than I am (although they are quickly dying off)...makes me feel so young.)

Yes, things were differnt then, and only if she didn't tempt me with that apple. "Here sweetie take a bite", she ruined me. Of course she drove me crazy when she said" I bet you don't know what do with that". So I was naive, big deal. Playboy wouldn't be out for many years and I needed guidance. If only there was the chit chat room, I could have asked questions.

A older but wiser Harvey

Jokers Crew!!

http://www.nicholsoncartoons.com.au/cartoons/new/2002-02-20%20Feb%20Lynch%20mob%20and%20Hollingworth%20550.JPG


But seriously to address something briefly that redwhine quoted. Although there were jests that Wolf we are coming to get you I think the public lynching is a stretch. I went there to explain my experience with wolf and warn other traders of his antics. For the most part any actual mudslinging and threats actually came from wolf who said the sitcoms people were all liars. To be honest if 1 or 2 people only stated their cases the forum would have not believed wolf was a bad trader. The sitcoms crew actually brought out 2 or 3 other people on that forum who also had bad experiences with wolf but said nothing due to his popularity there.

I think the experience proved worthwhile as wolf was exposed, admitted to some fault and so far has made some restitution to Lamont and Joey (my discs are in the mail). I also know that many people who have visited there have made some new trading contacts.

Apology to the group:

It was brought to my attention that in one of my entries I made a comment
that can easily be taken as racist. Before I get hip deep into this I do
have to say that was never my intention. So anyone who was offended
please forgive the insensitivity of the comment and it has been removed
from the original post.

The rest of what I said, remained there.

Yes, things were differnt then, and only if she didn't tempt me with that apple. "Here sweetie take a bite", she ruined me. Of course she drove me crazy when she said" I bet you don't know what do with that". So I was naive, big deal. Playboy wouldn't be out for many years and I needed guidance. If only there was the chit chat room, I could have asked questions.

A older but wiser Harvey

It would seem you figured everything out, tho. And it's my understanding that even at your advanced age, you still love a good...apple.

It would seem you figured everything out, tho. And it's my understanding that even at your advanced age, you still love a good...apple.

Nothing beats a red delicious.

Harvey

Apology to the group:

It was brought to my attention that in one of my entries I made a comment
that can easily be taken as racist. Before I get hip deep into this I do
have to say that was never my intention. So anyone who was offended
please forgive the insensitivity of the comment and it has been removed
from the original post.

The rest of what I said, remained there.


Lets get Dragon!

http://www.dvandom.com/kitbash/spbear6.JPG

Just Kidding sometimes things can be taken out of context, thanks for clearing it up

:racist:


but not good old lamont

:grady:

:racist:


but not good old lamont

:grady:


Lets get Lamont

http://www.simpsoncrazy.com/gallery/screenshots/lists/news_117.jpg

Nothing beats a red delicious.

Harvey

At my advanced age, I'm more of a Granny Smith.

Which is not to say I'm green, tho.

YOU BETTER NOT THREATEN ME, ill get my GOOD BUDDY wolf11 to SUE YOU, he likes to sue people for online statements


ha ha ha ha

:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

ok now im just making jokes that only i will think are funny :lol:

YOU BETTER NOT THREATEN ME, ill get my GOOD BUDDY wolf11 to SUE YOU, he likes to sue people for online statements


ha ha ha ha

:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

ok now im just making jokes that only i will think are funny :lol:

Coming for you Lamont

http://fz.se/bildarkiv/images/The_Lord_of_the_Rings__The_Battle_for_Middle-Earth/gondor_defenders_2.jpg


Can anyone tell I figured out the picture options, new toy for the cartoon man

ok now im just making jokes that only i will think are funny :lol:

That's ok. I've done that. Just don't do it in public. People look at you funny.

At my advanced age, I'm more of a Granny Smith.

Which is not to say I'm green, tho.

For cooking, Granny Smith's are tops.

Harvey who is getting hungry.

For cooking, Granny Smith's are tops.

Harvey who is getting hungry.

Ewwwww....(I do an EXCELLENT Valley Girl imitation)...how Hannibal Dahmer-ish...

Ewwwww....(I do an EXCELLENT Valley Girl imitation)...how Hannibal Dahmer-ish...

Dahmer? It wasn't apples that turned him on. Actually it's how you interpet that.

Harvey

No, Dahmer didn't like apples. But he did the cooking thing...ewwww (again). It's late & I guess I'm not doing well with the interpretation. (I'll probably wake up in the middle of the night & it will come to me/I'll get it/whatever I can currently think of to put here sounds off color...)

(wondering if Hannibal ever liked sashimi...)

Ewww....

(Grossing myself out...going off to watch Fernwood 2 Night...)

No, Dahmer didn't like apples. But he did the cooking thing...ewwww (again). It's late & I guess I'm not doing well with the interpretation. (I'll probably wake up in the middle of the night & it will come to me/I'll get it/whatever I can currently think of to put here sounds off color...)

(wondering if Hannibal ever liked sashimi...)

Ewww....

(Grossing myself out...going off to watch Fernwood 2 Night...)

DUDE! or Dudette

You are gonna give me nightmares envisioning HARVEY Lechter err Hannibal Lechter with some fava beans and a nice Chianti

http://www.solarnavigator.net/images/anthony_hopkins_hannibal_lecter.jpg

Wow did this thread take a wrong turn Yikes!!!


**Happy images....happy images....**

:eyes2:

I would like to know the truth behind the refrences- I direct this as an honest open question to Jayman
And I would like to hear FROM you why you have multiple accounts otherwise both will need to be removed.

Savage, have you heard anything from 'jayman2230' on this issue?

i doubt he will speak out

i have found that people like this---- when confronted with their deceptions
RARELY answer the charges

I'm actually in the process of doing a trade with him. He agreed to send first though, so we'll see how it turns out. And this was about a week ago too, so it shouldn't be long before I see what happens. He seems like an honest guy though. :)


EDIT: Reading back, has anyone actually been duped by Jayman? It sounds like everything listed is just assumptions and suspicions. It's not really fair to him for everyone to already be labeling him as a bad trader when he hasn't technicaly done anything wrong yet. If anyone can actually say that they did a trade with him and it ended badly, then that's a different story. And like I said, I have a trade going on with him at the moment, but of course requested that he send first upon viewing this thread. I hope it turns out OK though (as this would be my first trade outside the US/Canada) but we'll see.

Savage, have you heard anything from 'jayman2230' on this issue?


No.
I contacted them 2x.

No reply.

Which bothers me.

As MasterBloogard has pointed out, No, no one has come to me with BAD trader information. So yes, they could JUST be dishonest, not a bad trader (shrug)

I do have evidence of Dishonesty.

When a trader lies - to me it is a warning sign.

The simple fact is this, the user was asked to provide refrences, and the refrences were faulty.
Pure and simple.

It could be they felt pressured.
It could be they felt they had to, otherwise not have the opportunity.
But if they were willing to send, purchase first- then being new shouldn't be something to be covered up.
In my opinion.
So I believe the trader warning, is fair.

No one is saying they are a bad trader, just evasive, in the very least- and dishonest. Now proven.
Was there a reason for lying about refrences? I have no idea.
As they never replied here, nor in my mailbox.

Therefore, until I know more
my overall opinion is trade with caution. Receive first, and document any exchange of finances is applicable.

If anything negative as far as trader history comes to light, bring it to me or another moderator for appropriate action.


The rest, will be proved in time I suppose.
And please note, no one has said he is a bad trader.
Only thing pointed out was the decietful refrences.
However, to simply not reply to a moderator on their forum....well
you know my opinion on that.

Everyone is entitled to trade anyone they want.
And to risk what they deem necessary for a trade.
But all users are entitled to respect, and honesty.

Again, just my opinion.

I understand we dont have a smoking gun here, HOWEVER
the info here is pretty damning

i mean he LIED repeatedly to several people, INNOCENT PEOPLE as a rule generally do not tell lie after lie after lie

WHEN CAUGHT IN HIS LIES< he did NOT speak up or explain himself

and finally he harassed a member of this board by contacting him repeatedly when it was unwanted

I JUST DONT GET IT FOLKS====I mean, for Lamont--- thats certainly a strong indication to LEAVE THIS CAT ALONE, but some people dont see the obvious

As I have recieved no reply from Jayman directly-
I am stating the below- before pursuing any other action


When you sign up for Sitcomsonline there are membership agreements- and one of those is in the area of conduct.

Now while this situation is not conclusive to a bad trader.

There are 2 areas that I must point out.

1- this user has lied, by giving false refrences.
Those refrences, checked out to the same IP.
And the user has signed on, form two seperate IPS- and both matched various refrences.

2-Harrasment is occuring.

I don't know what holy Grail of DVD's Padre has- And I am sure he has some great stuff.
But NO means NO.

When you contact a user and they say no for whatever reason. That is the end of it.
Feel free to offer to buy, if it pleases you.
It may not please them to sell.
Feel free to leave an open door invitation, or to try to work things out.
But if a user says no-
it is understood by most parties.

Going behind someones back and trying to back door trade, is highly unethical, sneaky and downright disrespectful

Contacting a user, who has banned or removed the user id off their list-
Going to the trouble of setting up another account, to avoid that banning to simply bother the trader again is harrasment.

And to be open and direct, another user, contacted me THIS morning- stating that Kayman contacted him, asking him to help him gain the items off Padre's list YET AGAIN.
After all this discussion

After the direct questions asked here- and in the privacy of email-
Instead of taking the time to discuss it or be honest- instead of respecting Padre's choice to not trade these items-
has yet again, involved another user- asking them to help Dupe Padre-

Again, highly unethical.


I am bothered by the fact the user has signed up on two accounts.
I am bothered that clear and direct questions aren't being answered here or privately
I am bothered that this user is so intent on getting what he wants, he is trying to USE people as well as means to get it.

I don't know they are a bad trader at this junction.
But it doesn't speak highly for their character.
And point blank, if I hear from ONE more member of sitcoms that they were solicited by Jayman2230, to gain access to Padre' or any other users list- that has said no, I will bring the grievence to TJ directly

He seems like an honest guy though. :)

Honest guy??? He's used two Sitcom accounts (a major no-no) to try to trade with me, given bogus references to both me and Dragonbear (and maybe others). And has never explained those actions. But, sure, I'd buy a used car from him....:crazy:


EDIT: Reading back, has anyone actually been duped by Jayman? It sounds like everything listed is just assumptions and suspicions. It's not really fair to him for everyone to already be labeling him as a bad trader when he hasn't technicaly done anything wrong yet.

Okay, what ISN'T wrong about what I just stated in the previous paragraph. If you think there's nothing wrong with using bogus references to satisfy a traders request, and if you think there's nothing wrong with a person using a 2nd Sitcom account to circumvent an ignore list from a trader who clearly does not want to trade with them - then I'm not sure then what constitutes wrong (for you). Sorry, as Spock would say, "Your logic escapes me". But maybe its just me....

Edit: Oh, I just want to be clear, because people have been putting words in my mouth. I have NEVER said this person is a BAD TRADER! (I will never directly know, as I'm never going to trade with them). This thread was about a Trader Check, which was a request for experience dealing with them. I'd say the exposure I've had with jayman2230 definitely qualifies as 'experience'.

EDIT: Reading back, has anyone actually been duped by Jayman? It sounds like everything listed is just assumptions and suspicions. It's not really fair to him for everyone to already be labeling him as a bad trader when he hasn't technicaly done anything wrong yet. If anyone can actually say that they did a trade with him and it ended badly, then that's a different story. And like I said, I have a trade going on with him at the moment, but of course requested that he send first upon viewing this thread. I hope it turns out OK though (as this would be my first trade outside the US/Canada) but we'll see.

I've never traded with Jayman but have been following the thread. Not once, did I get the impression that he was clearly labeled a "bad trader". But yes, there are "assumptions and suspicions" that are based upon facts provided by not only a moderator but a couple of members who are good traders. Those "assumptions and suspicions" would be enough to cause me to proceed with caution with this trader. IOW, if I was only marginally interested in trading with Jayman, I'd decide against it. If he had something I wanted badly, I'd cover my bases, like being specific about what he was to send me, asking the quality of the shows and having him send first. If the shows arrived & were junk, I'd have to have a plan B ready. (Since I'm not trading with him, I don't know what my plan B would be. :lol: But I guess something like either cancelling the trade & sending his discs back or changing it 2 of his discs for one of mine or something...I dunno...never had to do that.)

Honest guy??? He's used two Sitcom accounts (a major no-no) to try to trade with me, given bogus references to both me and Dragonbear (and maybe others). And has never explained those actions. But, sure, I'd buy a used car from him....:crazy:

Well, I didn't say I trust him completely, especialy with everything that's gone on this thread. I am proceeding with caution, which is why I have requested that he send first. That way if he doesn't go through with his part of the bargain, I don't lose anything.

And I admit, that it looks like he has done some pretty questionable things (fake references, dual accounts), probably as a desperate attempt to get padre to trade with him lol. But of course, that's wrong and he should respect someone's decision if they decide they do not want to trade.

However, I am not going to just decide to not have any business at all with this guy, when he hasn't technicaly ripped anyone off as of yet. I'm not saying he's a good trader, or a bad trader- and it doesn't seem that anybody has had any trades with him to be able to to tell us if their experience was a good one or a bad one either. So like I said, I'm going to go ahead and see what happens with this trade, but will of course be taking precautions to make sure I'm not scammed. Regardless how the trade turns out I'll be sure to report back. :wave:

the fact is

savageamusement has contacted him about this situation---NO REPLY TO THE MODERATOR
3 people have PUBLICLY posted and asked him to respond, he has ignored all of those

so its PAINFULLY OBVIOUS he has something to hide

my best guess is that he is MOST LIKELY a FORMER member of this board who is trying to get back on

POSTING HIS CITY AND STATE might help us to weed out his identity

NOW FOR THE RECORD If i am WRONG about jayman, than I ask that he PLEASE post his "side" of the issue so that we can all know the truth

BUT AS LONG AS HE KEEPS QUIET and wont respond to why he lied and why he harassed and why he is still doing so,
we can ONLY assume that he is to be avoided at all costs

I haven't been in contact with him since around Tuesday, when he agreed to send, so not sure what he has to say on the matter. But when I mentioned that I want him to send first due to a suspcious thread, he agreed but didn't say anything about it. Which was pretty odd...

I might have been wrong in deciding to agree to trade with him, but I won't know that until I see what actually happens.

But I will send the address he gave me to a mod and see if they can find anything out.

Well


As I contacted them again, with no reply-So at the bottom is the name and city / information.
Their internet obviously works as they contacted a user today to ask for help to obtain items on Padre's list- yet again
I have no choice but to assume they are choosing to not reply to any moderation

Which is a shame, because without communication- this looks really bad.

At first I was hoping they were just foolish and felt they "had" to ahve refrences and quickly made some up-
Realizing that was a mistake-and were embarassed perhaps.

But direct questions have been asked, without reply.

So again
while this user might not be a bad trader

They logged on to a trade site- asking to buy-
They set up multiple accounts, specifically to bypass a users request to be left alone
They used false references, that were fraudulant in the hopes of reassuring a user to trade or sell.

To me, that is three strikes-And while some of this might be a misunderstanding or mistake without cooperation from the user, one will never know

So here is the name and the City

If anyone else has info on this user, contact me.
The matter has been refered to TJ as well

USMAN ANWAR

LEYTONSTONE
LONDON
UNITED KINGDOM

After all the talk and hype, I recieved an email from the user:

He did state that his refrences were in fact honest-
which based on the information I have, basically means we have to agree to disagree-
Since the accounts he gave - all match the same 2 IPS.

As well, he addressed the issue of starting multiple accounts
Stating he thought, there was a problem with his account (possibly due to not being able to reach certain users)

And last but not least, flat out denied, contacting any users in excess, harassing, pushing, or being overly persistant.
Including, but not limited to- contacted OTHER users to gain access to anyones trade list.

Again, this differs from multiple accounts, from other upstanding, longstanding users on this site.

His last remark was simple "telling me he didn't care if his account(s) were deleted."


Which makes the rest a moot point I suppose.


So thats the update.

But if he doesn't care if the accounts are removed, I don't suppose he will gt an argument here.



So I guess thats the end of that-

[COLOR="Red"]He did state that his refrences were in fact honest-
which based on the information I have, basically means we have to agree to disagree-
Since the accounts he gave - all match the same 2 IPS.-


HMMMMM
they all match his IPS #????

maybe he did some great trades with his Mom?

:lol:

Maybe should trade with his mom instead.

I'm old school. If it looks like a duck, walks like a duck and quacks like a duck, then it must be a ______.

Harvey

wouldnt asking for isp provider email addresses, rather than these free accounts, for the person and the references be the best idea. ya know like a peoplepc account versus some yahoo account. cant use a dozen of those at least.

When confronted the user asked me to remove his account(s)

(shrug)

I heard quacking myself on that one.

I have not added him to the bad trader list- as I have received no "trader" related issues.
Only suspicious behaviour

So the thread will remain, with the users name-and city.

Should you enter a trade with him, or any new traders remember to ask, discuss, and if logic and information don't win out- Go with your gut.

What could have been a misunderstanding, or a poor choice- came across as dishonesty.
What the truth is, only they know-

And please make note of the updated Bad Trader list-